Android Is Destroying Everyone, Especially RIM -- iPhone Dead In Water
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Until Android starts SELLING, not having pirated, more apps than the Apple app store, developers ain't going nowhere. How many of those Android phones actually purchase apps?
Hell, how many Android Stans on BGOL actually purchase apps?
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Hmmm...angry birds makes rovio 50% more on android using the free ad based model than the pay model they use on iOS. A lot of developers r saying similar things. The ad based model on android beats the pay model on iOS if u develop something worth it. Android users will not support crap, free or paid...iOS users will buy anything.
this is what microsoft and many others are counting on
even verizon said prior to getting the iphone only 26% of their customers were using smart phones..
that's to say that when you and everyone else decides its time to upgrade your phone.. you wont have a choice but to get a smartphone, cause there wont be any options (meaning there wont be an old school flip phone vs smartphone, it will all be smartphone)...
ms and others are counting on you picking up that penny phone with a 2 year contract over a good/better phone.
I'm glad some one understands this, but you're a software developer so I'd expect you to know how big a deal fragmentation is. But here's Google's conundrum; their main selling point was this "perceived" open model. And since they are NOW trying to mimic Apple's model, why buy a Android device when I can buy an iOS device from a company with a far more polished "closed" (as Android fanboys like to call it) system? You know that these changes will take at least 2 years to matriculate.
What exactly has google knocked off apple? Widgets...iOS gets that in ios5 came from google, multitasking, google had that first too, 3D phones, yup android again tho apple is trying to patent that for ios5.... Form factor? Apple stole their form factor from htc for the first iPhone then when droid came out more industrial they stole that design for i4...what exactly did apple innovate that android didn't have first?
Until Android starts SELLING, not having pirated, more apps than the Apple app store, developers ain't going nowhere. How many of those Android phones actually purchase apps?
Hell, how many Android Stans on BGOL actually purchase apps?
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^^^^^^^^^ these
when will people learn, its all about the software working with the hardware, not the hardware(how many low priced phones sold).
the profit is in the apples software and 30% cut they keep, from everyone programming for it!!
RIGHT NOW ... the revenue is coming from the app store ... the future might be different ... there are many ways to make money with mobile devices besides selling 3rd party apps .. when the big boys (major corporations) get in the game they hire all these rogue developers and will give you superior apps for FREE just to gain a larger customer base (FOX, ABC etc ... Visa, AMEX, etc)Until Android starts SELLING, not having pirated, more apps than the Apple app store, developers ain't going nowhere. How many of those Android phones actually purchase apps?
Hell, how many Android Stans on BGOL actually purchase apps?
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Fragmentation is only a problem for now ... easy fix: have a master source code (for the OS) and an internal development team for each class of device to help translate it at a cost to the current device ... so a developer submits one app and a small one time fee to have it translated for that OS release and all it's updates .... alternatively said developer can translate it himself to lower costs
3D technology in cameras is nothing new. It's a gimmick I've seen fail during the 90s and 00s. I even remember Kodak selling disposable 3D cameras. We will see if people TODAY are interested, but given the backlash to a lot of 3D movies of late, I don't think it will pick up steam.
actually widgets were first introduced in mac os x.. criticized by all then copied by all.. call them widgets call them gadgets..
LOL but wait.. are you and everyone saying you want everyone but android to fall?
you must be hearing voices.
nobody said anything like that.
Apple has never controlled the smart phone market the way RIM did. RIM's fall is horrific, but totally predictable.
as it stands RIM has never been more profitable, which may account to why they're screwing up so bad in creating and releasing better touch screen phones. they dont think they HAVE to compete.
i hope Google does well, competition is good.
IMO both the thunderbolt and evo 4g are better than the iphone and storm. i WOULD have gotten a thunderbolt if verizon's cheapest and most viable plan for me wasn't 20.00 higher than sprint's.
i hope your not a die hard android and amazon supporter..
amazon gets to keep 30% too...
U don't get it, google isn't closing the platform. They r telling phone makers not to fuck with the source code with their overlays because it slows updates, google hasn't released honeycomb because honeycomb is being merged with gingerbread to form ice cream sandwich which will form one os across google tv, tablets, phones and printers.
That's y htc hasn't made a 3.0 tablet yet because sense takes so long to update. Plus google is attempting to remove bloatware. From a develop standpoint that should kill the issues with developing for android plus it works out for the end user. No more buying samsungs and waiting for updates...and probably more vanilla androids...everything will be under one code.
Right now gingerbread doesn't support dual cores but honeycomb does but in dec vzw, sprint and tmobile are launching quad core phones which is when ice cream sandwich will be out because it will support all models of android that haven't been discontinued. That isn't mimicking apple phone makers will still Be allowed to use sense or blur or touch whiz they just can't fuck with the code and reduce updates. That's a win for end users and not closing anything.
Mac os is in iPhones?
Then why did apple file a patent for 3d on phones? Gimmick or not they want 3d in iPhones. Point is it was in android 1st now apple wants it in iPhones.
Apple makes a phone then Google makes a phone OS. Apple makes a tablet then Google makes a tablet OS.
Google needs to innovate something, not just wait until Apple does it, gets successful, then emulate.
And btw, widgets came from MacOS then Windows ripped it off then Google.
That's because companies are paying that ad revenue right now, but if you ninjas never buy anything in the ads, companies will stop paying for them and that revenue stream dries up.
here's to sending one man to fight an army.
Yup, I've been saying this for a minute.
Yep, bottom line is Apple is a control freak and won't evolve like they should to please the consumer. Android is in every market now. Phone, netbook, ereader and soon will have it's own OS. Apple sells subpar products as stated in the reading. And the tablets? Don't get me started. Apple will lose, again.
No, i'm speaking of the idea of widgets
Android was in development before the iPhone, coming out first doesn't negate that android was already being developed.
Tablets existed before the iPad and even jobs said tablets were useless than he switched up and again just because apple dropped it first doesn't mean it wasn't in development for someone else. I mean apple failed with the newton tablet than changed their minds when the phone space got crowded, they wanted market share so they rushed put the ipad1 now they got ipad2 which isn't a huge leap over ipad1 and this fall is ipad3 sporting ios5 to take more money from the sheep with their barely used ipad2's....
Widgets in phones, I could care less about desktop operating systems, apple swiped a good number of innovations from Linux for Mac os just like they swiped a good number of things through put history of Mac os...windows swipes from everyone but they don't claim to have invented things like apple does. Lemme find that list I read a few weeks back, it shows every "innovation" from apple mostly came from other sources and mainly from Linux...apple isn't innovative they just talk a great game, rush things out and paint them nice so they look prettier than everyone else's similar devices. I do give them credit for iTunes and the app store, those r game changers.
Yep, bottom line is Apple is a control freak and won't evolve like they should to please the consumer. Android is in every market now. Phone, netbook, ereader and soon will have it's own OS. Apple sells subpar products as stated in the reading. And the tablets? Don't get me started. Apple will lose, again.
You know iPad2 outsold the Xoom more than 10 to 1 right?
Apple doesn't have to split profits with resellers since they have their own stores and they're not locked into one provider. So now, every person that wants to get a tablet can get an iPad that is cheaper or the same price as an Android tablet.
People will have to willingly choose to pay the same money or more to buy an Android tablet over the most popular tablet by far with the biggest selection of Apps by far. I don't see that happening.
this..
ios runs on phones and tablets
android has recreated itself and dont get too comfortable with the current android phone and tabelt os.. they still need to release one that actually runs on both..
windows? well they are currently rushing windows 8 to be tablet friendly.. android's biggest problem is that if ms does get a foothold, its going to try and fuck google first before it goes after apple.. sadly ms doesnt and wont have a better anything except money well, androids uprising would be even bigger without nokia's partnership with nokia to show an example
and mind you i have nothing against android.. i just wish apple haters would stop glorifying weak hardware running android just to hate on apple.. there is really on a handful of actual phones worth considering when it comes to apple competitors
That's a non factor tho...widgets in phones didn't get popular until android then every apple user said they didn't need it and it's useless to have, even apple said similar yet in ios5 they r bringing widgets to mobile devices. Google made widgets in phones popular. So they get credit for widgets in mobiles.
meh.. if it gets it.. fine if it doesnt fine..
all i hear about widgets is two things..
it can be cool and it can drain your battery..
have to wait and see..
i dont really see widgets outside of its history being that big of a deal.. if that's the case you might as well say that wp7's tiles are the game changer
I think their was a report a few weeks or months ago that said android users actually do click on ads and we support ads more than any other platform. Android users have no issue with ads. iPhone users r least likely to support ads so no one really goes for the ad model on iOS y'all would rather pay which is fine iOS users and android users r different, but still if a developer makes a great app on android they will get supported.
Reports come out every few months a lot more developers like android in the future and rovio making more money on android when everyone said u can't make money on android is helping.
it is a huge problem...very important one because they were already kind of laughably using OPEN when android was not nearly as open as they were attempting to portray it, but now they are attempting to control it even more.... they are playing with fire... and how they handle this situation is really going to play a huge role in whether they can really create a real ecosystem.....shit... how many different android marketplaces are there now... that is good for options...but bad when you have no control and then people are downloading malware like that huge issue from last month
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As long as the numbers support it, the iphone apps will always be more profitable for the developers, however there is a threshold where developing for Andriod may become more profitable, in-spite of all the innate advantages a closed box dedicated component like the i-phone may present (just look at the developers for windows vs apple computers for example).
The thing is no one for certain where this threshold number is at. However people and inverters can and will speculate, and as long as the Android trend continues, many would be apple investors may become spooked to invest in the I-phone.
I say this is because so much of the I-phone success has been due to their success in sales, which has a synergy effect causing more inverters, more developers and more money for research to make their product better. The android can be seen a monkey wretch that can cause the inverters to speculate if apple is capable of creating a cheap high tech phone that is heads and shoulders above the competition.
In short parity is great for the android yet potentially devastating for the iPhone, and being that, the biggest iPhone fan-boy would be lost for words trying to explain why the iPhone is better than the top android phones, it is safe to say, that as long as this trend continues I can't see how this would help the success of the iPhone, at all.
As far as no fragment between the i-phone and the i-pad, well on one hand ,for reasons why you pointed out, its a good thing, however, on the other hand it makes both the ipad and iPhone far less flexible.
Androids are able to tweak their OS to fit the ever changing progressive hardware market, due to this advantage androids have, I-phones and I-pads will continue to be lagging behind the android as far as technical specs goes. Again how much this would effect investors and development teams, who knows, but it is safe to say it wont help.
Nope. You arent a developer so I wouldnt expect you to understand. What you have proposed as a solution is actually the way it has already been operating since its inception. Also, there is not translation. That is not developer-speak. Iterating for multiple different distros is not an easy task. Most companies don´t have the resources to make sure their application runs perfectly on all the most common android distributions. And you can´t pay a ´small one time fee´to run on different devices. Even the platforms like mult-platform frameworks rhomobile and titanium dont even allow you to run an iphone and android as advertised and I know because ive used them. Optimizing for multiple platforms is a model is too complex even for large companies like facebook. That is why everyone is pushing html5 as it simply is too difficult to developer for multiple different platforms and then several iterations of android.
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Actually wp7 tiles r pretty much a game changer but wp7 has no 3rd party support and most ppl think it's a crap OS...wp7 is probably going to be the third place company behind android and apple. Tiles r innovative and I can respect it.
Yeah wait and see is right but if it does come to iOS no one can say apple innovated widgets tho many will try.
The future of mobile apps will be HTML/CSS/JavaScript/PhoneGap apps
And some of the big boys are already going HTML5. If you do need some of the native features offered by the sdk, you can go html5.
http://www.spielsucht24.de/2010/12/21/zynga-launches-html5-mafia-wars-atlantic-city-for-mobile-web/
Social game developer Zynga has brought one of its most popular titles, Mafia Wars, to mobile and tablet web browsers with the release of HTML5-powered Mafia Wars Atlantic City today. Available through either a standalone web site or on app downlaod service GetJar, Mafia Wars Atlantic City’s decision to run on the HTML5 framework means its playable on a variety of platforms, including iPad, iPhone/iPod Touch, Android, WebOS, and BlackBerry devices. The original Mafia Wars …
And some of the big boys are already going HTML5. If you do need some of the native features offered by the sdk, you can go html5.
http://www.spielsucht24.de/2010/12/21/zynga-launches-html5-mafia-wars-atlantic-city-for-mobile-web/
Social game developer Zynga has brought one of its most popular titles, Mafia Wars, to mobile and tablet web browsers with the release of HTML5-powered Mafia Wars Atlantic City today. Available through either a standalone web site or on app downlaod service GetJar, Mafia Wars Atlantic City’s decision to run on the HTML5 framework means its playable on a variety of platforms, including iPad, iPhone/iPod Touch, Android, WebOS, and BlackBerry devices. The original Mafia Wars …
what i love about the html5 war..
at the end it helps the anti apple companies more than it does apple..
yet apple haters are are holding on to flash like its the perfect partner to android. google wants to get rid of it too, but html5 in the end helps android and every other apple competitor fight a better fight against apple.
its ridiculous to think how people are fighting html5 claiming that its the reason other devices are better than apple devices..
all devices running android benefit from an html5 world.. hell html5 is the reason you see netflix on ps3, 3ds and iphone.. not flash or silverlight.. but I'm sorry, i dont want to take this conversation in another direction..
The whole idea of a touch screen phone that acts almost like an iPhone. How do u move an icon? Hold it until you can move it. How do you switch homescreens? swipe it. How do you download apps? From the app store (android market). I can go on and on. It's a complete rip off. The only reason it's lasting is due to the number of different phones that have the android os and the phones are CHEAP as hell. Even Metro PCS has android. Who wants to have a phone even a broke nigga can buy?
The best way to kill the "who is better", "who is going to be first", "who has the bigger balls", is simple, VERY simple. For the apple fanboy's, like that bitch Divine, your god, is dying, literally, he'll be dead soon. Your company will go with it. There is NO one at apple, that has his vision, his way's of turning out things that literally change markets. I give kudos to his vision, always have, he changed many things in the tech world, in a good way, by pushing out a product, then the rest of the world tried to compete against it. That's the history of the Iphone, they started a trend, but now others are taking it over. With Stevo gone, Apple's direction will go too. He is the ONLY reason Apple is what it is, look it up. Once gone, many will bolt, investors, and more, but the vision, the direction he led with, that made Apple what it is, will die too. You can't lead an army, without a GREAT general, so Apple is losing more then just the Iphone race..
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