An interesting/controversial meme... Religious cats won't like this thinking!!!

[Camille]

The meme represents shallow thinking, imo.

You can't really equate Jesus' self-sacrifice to the hunting, enslavement, torture, and murder of a people against their will.
Jesus died to save the world, knowing what the end result would be: A path to salvation for those who choose to accept it.
When our ancestors were murdered, it wasn't for anything but pleasure and benefit of evil, racist white people trying to retain power
and control over us through intimidation and fear. Our ancestors had no way of knowing when or if life for their descendants would be
better, if their murder would contribute to change, or if they would be just another dead ni--er on the notch of some white supremacist's belt.

That said, this is not an "either, or" situation.

The struggles of black people, or any people struggling, dying, striving for a better future for their descendants does not eliminate the need
for salvation of the soul for eternity or negate the work of Jesus dying on the cross.

The death of Jesus also does not negate or diminish the the struggles and hardship our ancestors endured, and that black people still endure
in our unjust and racist society. It does not take away our heritage or the accomplishments of our ancestors. We still have struggles and hardships
in THIS life, things that must be overcome. Having faith, whether in Jesus or their native religion, is often what allowed black people to survive
what we've endured. You can't hold up the works of MLK and others, and yet discount and disdain the very faith they had to sustain and strengthen
them enough to enable them to do the work. If you respect the men, respect their faith also. It wasn't magical thinking to them.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Really?
Are you sure...?

True, the few that were used were largely unwilling & were forced, but they did (unwillingly) fight on the side of the Confederacy....

And yet; some don't...

Are you tryna play devils advocate? Of course you can use these folks to make a point. I'm not say what you're saying isn't true, but what's the point you're trying to make? Every group has sacrificed for their people over history.

 

[phanatic]

This dude needs to fall asleep driving and get t-boned by an 18 wheeler.

 

[ShortyCumStain]

Peace,

Absolutely love it. These brothers and sisters paid the ultimate price for us, and some negroes are content to give an imaginary magic man the credit.

And will swear Xtianity helped us through slavery meanwhile shunning our original spiritual systems for that of their oppressors. Will bitch about crackas everyday and then still get on their knees at night to pray to da god that he gave them to pray to.

 

[CptMARVEL]

Are you tryna play devils advocate? Of course you can use these folks to make a point. I'm not say what you're saying isn't true, but what's the point you're trying to make? Every group has sacrificed for their people over history.

Devils Advocate? No.
I'm merely pointing out how bad the OP's original example was used in an attempt to take potshots at religion & religious people.
By painting an incorrect example of how slaves died in relation to the sacrifice that Jesus made was a really bad comparison.
As its already been pointed out; those poor unfortunate men were not hung because they were fighting for us, or for our rights or for our futures. They had NO choice or say in the matter...

No.

Those men were MURDERED by men who viewed them as subhuman property to be used, tortured & discarded away with at any whim.
This is greed, racism, hatred and violence taken to near genocidal levels, involving systemic inhumanity, cruelty, barbarism and death.
The ultimate point I was trying to convey was that ANY race of people, who are on the losing end of conflict, can turn that narrative any way they want to explain away or even justify atrocities committed by and to their own people.
They can use politics, money, love & yes; even religion to justify inhumanity towards others and say; "My ancestors died fighting for my right to...".

The examples I posted here were to illustrate my point about how people could use such warped mindsets to justify inhumanity committed by their ancestors against others.
- Some Southerners still refer to The Civil War as; "The War of Northern Aggression". Believing that their ancestors were simply fighting and dying for their way of life & for their right to exist.
- Some Germans still believe that Germany's right to exist was best summed up by Hitler's statement: "We need breathing room". And that their ancestors fought & died to preserve this way of life.
- Some Japanese still believe that Japan's sovereign right to exist & expand, justified & authorized it's attack on Pearl Harbor and China. And that their ancestors fought & died to preserve this way of life as well.

We good...?

 

[xxironxx]

Naw they didn't have a choice

 

[4 Dimensional]

Devils Advocate? No.
I'm merely pointing out how bad the OP's original example was used in an attempt to take potshots at religion & religious people.
By painting an incorrect example of how slaves died in relation to the sacrifice that Jesus made was a really bad comparison.
As its already been pointed out; those poor unfortunate men were not hung because they were fighting for us, or for our rights or for our futures. They had NO choice or say in the matter...

No.

Those men were MURDERED by men who viewed them as subhuman property to be used, tortured & discarded away with at any whim.
This is greed, racism, hatred and violence taken to near genocidal levels, involving systemic inhumanity, cruelty, barbarism and death.
The ultimate point I was trying to convey was that ANY race of people, who are on the losing end of conflict, can turn that narrative any way they want to explain away or even justify atrocities committed by and to their own people.
They can use politics, money, love & yes; even religion to justify inhumanity towards others and say; "My ancestors died fighting for my right to...".

The examples I posted here were to illustrate my point about how people could use such warped mindsets to justify inhumanity committed by their ancestors against others.
- Some Southerners still refer to The Civil War as; "The War of Northern Aggression". Believing that their ancestors were simply fighting for their way of life & for their right to exist.
- Some Germans still believe that Germany's right to exist was best summed up by Hitler's statement: "We need breathing room".
- Some Japanese still believe that Japan's sovereign right to exist & expand, justified & authorized it's attack on Pearl Harbor and China.

We good...?

We good. I just wasn't seeing your angle before. Thanks for the explanation. Point was well received.

 

[CptMARVEL]

We good. I just wasn't seeing your angle before. Thanks for the explanation. Point was well received.

Thanks partner.
And thank you for your civility with regards to discussing this matter.
So few people can disagree without being disagreeable.
You my friend, are a welcome exception to that rule...

 

[knightmelodic]

Someone had a sig in here that was asking how a slave master and a slave can have the same god. I can't remember the quote verbatim, so if anyone knows the actual words, I'd appreciate you posting the info.

It's a quote attributed to John H. Clarke -

"How can a SLAVE and master both worship the same god?
Then both of them expect their prayers to be answered by the very same god?"

It's been attributed to others though, much earlier.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Thanks partner.
And thank you for your civility with regards to discussing this matter.
So few people can disagree without being disagreeable.
You my friend, are a welcome exception to that rule...

It's all good fam. I get your thinking on this topic. I understand it well. I just can't articulate it as well as you did.

 

[CptMARVEL]

It's all good fam. I get your thinking on this topic. I understand it well. I just can't articulate it as well as you did.

Sure you could've, pal.
I'm confident you would've.
Probably even much better than I did.
All you needed was a little quiet time, a good keyboard and your own thoughts...

Peace...

 

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[darth frosty]

"If God is all-powerful, he cannot be all good. And if he is all good, he cannot be all-powerful."

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