America should have listened to Jimmy Carter on Energy in 1977

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Say what you want about Jimmy Carter, but he was spot on about our lack of an effective energy policy. Thought this was fitting given the record uptick that oil prices had today.

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Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes.


We simply must balance our demand for energy with our rapidly shrinking resources. By acting now, we can control our future instead of letting the future control us.

We did not listen, and now the "future" of energy shortages controls us. More, after the fold.


In 1977 Carter had convinced the Democratic Congress to create the United States Department of Energy. Promoting the department's recommendation to conserve energy, Carter wore sweaters, had solar hot water panels installed on the roof of the White House, had a wood stove in his living quarters, ordered the General Services Administration to turn off hot water in some federal facilities, and requested that Christmas decorations remain dark in 1979 and 1980.

Nationwide controls were put on thermostats in government and commercial buildings to prevent people from raising temperatures in the winter (above 65 degrees Fahrenheit) or lowering them in the summer (below 78 degrees Fahrenheit). Carter also donned a cardigan sweater to emphasize the point.

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With the exception of his desire to use coal, there's a lot of good in this speech, especially the idea of conservation. But instead of following his road, we ended up with Reagan, Bush I, SUVs, Bush II, and gas prices approaching $5.00 per gallon.

View the Full Speech here

It's worth reading or watching.

Jimmy Carter delivered this televised speech on April 18, 1977.

Tonight I want to have an unpleasant talk with you about a problem unprecedented in our history. With the exception of preventing war, this is the greatest challenge our country will face during our lifetimes. The energy crisis has not yet overwhelmed us, but it will if we do not act quickly.

It is a problem we will not solve in the next few years, and it is likely to get progressively worse through the rest of this century.

We must not be selfish or timid if we hope to have a decent world for our children and grandchildren.

We simply must balance our demand for energy with our rapidly shrinking resources. By acting now, we can control our future instead of letting the future control us.

Two days from now, I will present my energy proposals to the Congress. Its members will be my partners and they have already given me a great deal of valuable advice. Many of these proposals will be unpopular. Some will cause you to put up with inconveniences and to make sacrifices.

The most important thing about these proposals is that the alternative may be a national catastrophe. Further delay can affect our strength and our power as a nation.

Our decision about energy will test the character of the American people and the ability of the President and the Congress to govern. This difficult effort will be the "moral equivalent of war" -- except that we will be uniting our efforts to build and not destroy.

I know that some of you may doubt that we face real energy shortages. The 1973 gasoline lines are gone, and our homes are warm again. But our energy problem is worse tonight than it was in 1973 or a few weeks ago in the dead of winter. It is worse because more waste has occurred, and more time has passed by without our planning for the future. And it will get worse every day until we act.

The oil and natural gas we rely on for 75 percent of our energy are running out. In spite of increased effort, domestic production has been dropping steadily at about six percent a year. Imports have doubled in the last five years. Our nation's independence of economic and political action is becoming increasingly constrained. Unless profound changes are made to lower oil consumption, we now believe that early in the 1980s the world will be demanding more oil that it can produce.

The world now uses about 60 million barrels of oil a day and demand increases each year about 5 percent. This means that just to stay even we need the production of a new Texas every year, an Alaskan North Slope every nine months, or a new Saudi Arabia every three years. Obviously, this cannot continue.

We must look back in history to understand our energy problem. Twice in the last several hundred years there has been a transition in the way people use energy.

The first was about 200 years ago, away from wood -- which had provided about 90 percent of all fuel -- to coal, which was more efficient. This change became the basis of the Industrial Revolution.

The second change took place in this century, with the growing use of oil and natural gas. They were more convenient and cheaper than coal, and the supply seemed to be almost without limit. They made possible the age of automobile and airplane travel. Nearly everyone who is alive today grew up during this age and we have never known anything different.

Because we are now running out of gas and oil, we must prepare quickly for a third change, to strict conservation and to the use of coal and permanent renewable energy sources, like solar power.

The world has not prepared for the future. During the 1950s, people used twice as much oil as during the 1940s. During the 1960s, we used twice as much as during the 1950s. And in each of those decades, more oil was consumed than in all of mankind's previous history.

World consumption of oil is still going up. If it were possible to keep it rising during the 1970s and 1980s by 5 percent a year as it has in the past, we could use up all the proven reserves of oil in the entire world by the end of the next decade.

I know that many of you have suspected that some supplies of oil and gas are being withheld. You may be right, but suspicions about oil companies cannot change the fact that we are running out of petroleum.

All of us have heard about the large oil fields on Alaska's North Slope. In a few years when the North Slope is producing fully, its total output will be just about equal to two years' increase in our nation's energy demand.

Each new inventory of world oil reserves has been more disturbing than the last. World oil production can probably keep going up for another six or eight years. But some time in the 1980s it can't go up much more. Demand will overtake production. We have no choice about that.

But we do have a choice about how we will spend the next few years. Each American uses the energy equivalent of 60 barrels of oil per person each year. Ours is the most wasteful nation on earth. We waste more energy than we import. With about the same standard of living, we use twice as much energy per person as do other countries like Germany, Japan and Sweden.

One choice is to continue doing what we have been doing before. We can drift along for a few more years.

Our consumption of oil would keep going up every year. Our cars would continue to be too large and inefficient. Three-quarters of them would continue to carry only one person -- the driver -- while our public transportation system continues to decline. We can delay insulating our houses, and they will continue to lose about 50 percent of their heat in waste.

We can continue using scarce oil and natural to generate electricity, and continue wasting two-thirds of their fuel value in the process.

If we do not act, then by 1985 we will be using 33 percent more energy than we do today.

We can't substantially increase our domestic production, so we would need to import twice as much oil as we do now. Supplies will be uncertain. The cost will keep going up. Six years ago, we paid $3.7 billion for imported oil. Last year we spent $37 billion -- nearly ten times as much -- and this year we may spend over $45 billion.

Unless we act, we will spend more than $550 billion for imported oil by 1985 -- more than $2,500 a year for every man, woman, and child in America. Along with that money we will continue losing American jobs and becoming increasingly vulnerable to supply interruptions.

Now we have a choice. But if we wait, we will live in fear of embargoes. We could endanger our freedom as a sovereign nation to act in foreign affairs. Within ten years we would not be able to import enough oil -- from any country, at any acceptable price.

If we wait, and do not act, then our factories will not be able to keep our people on the job with reduced supplies of fuel. Too few of our utilities will have switched to coal, our most abundant energy source.

We will not be ready to keep our transportation system running with smaller, more efficient cars and a better network of buses, trains and public transportation.

We will feel mounting pressure to plunder the environment. We will have a crash program to build more nuclear plants, strip-mine and burn more coal, and drill more offshore wells than we will need if we begin to conserve now. Inflation will soar, production will go down, people will lose their jobs. Intense competition will build up among nations and among the different regions within our own country.

If we fail to act soon, we will face an economic, social and political crisis that will threaten our free institutions.

But we still have another choice. We can begin to prepare right now. We can decide to act while there is time.

That is the concept of the energy policy we will present on Wednesday. Our national energy plan is based on ten fundamental principles.

The first principle is that we can have an effective and comprehensive energy policy only if the government takes responsibility for it and if the people understand the seriousness of the challenge and are willing to make sacrifices.

The second principle is that healthy economic growth must continue. Only by saving energy can we maintain our standard of living and keep our people at work. An effective conservation program will create hundreds of thousands of new jobs.

The third principle is that we must protect the environment. Our energy problems have the same cause as our environmental problems -- wasteful use of resources. Conservation helps us solve both at once.

The fourth principle is that we must reduce our vulnerability to potentially devastating embargoes. We can protect ourselves from uncertain supplies by reducing our demand for oil, making the most of our abundant resources such as coal, and developing a strategic petroleum reserve.

The fifth principle is that we must be fair. Our solutions must ask equal sacrifices from every region, every class of people, every interest group. Industry will have to do its part to conserve, just as the consumers will. The energy producers deserve fair treatment, but we will not let the oil companies profiteer.

The sixth principle, and the cornerstone of our policy, is to reduce the demand through conservation. Our emphasis on conservation is a clear difference between this plan and others which merely encouraged crash production efforts. Conservation is the quickest, cheapest, most practical source of energy. Conservation is the only way we can buy a barrel of oil for a few dollars. It costs about $13 to waste it.

The seventh principle is that prices should generally reflect the true replacement costs of energy. We are only cheating ourselves if we make energy artificially cheap and use more than we can really afford.

The eighth principle is that government policies must be predictable and certain. Both consumers and producers need policies they can count on so they can plan ahead. This is one reason I am working with the Congress to create a new Department of Energy, to replace more than 50 different agencies that now have some control over energy.

The ninth principle is that we must conserve the fuels that are scarcest and make the most of those that are more plentiful. We can't continue to use oil and gas for 75 percent of our consumption when they make up seven percent of our domestic reserves. We need to shift to plentiful coal while taking care to protect the environment, and to apply stricter safety standards to nuclear energy.

The tenth principle is that we must start now to develop the new, unconventional sources of energy we will rely on in the next century.

These ten principles have guided the development of the policy I would describe to you and the Congress on Wednesday.

Our energy plan will also include a number of specific goals, to measure our progress toward a stable energy system.

These are the goals we set for 1985:

--Reduce the annual growth rate in our energy demand to less than two percent.

--Reduce gasoline consumption by ten percent below its current level.

--Cut in half the portion of United States oil which is imported, from a potential level of 16 million barrels to six million barrels a day.

--Establish a strategic petroleum reserve of one billion barrels, more than six months' supply.

--Increase our coal production by about two thirds to more than 1 billion tons a year.

--Insulate 90 percent of American homes and all new buildings.

--Use solar energy in more than two and one-half million houses.

We will monitor our progress toward these goals year by year. Our plan will call for stricter conservation measures if we fall behind.

I cant tell you that these measures will be easy, nor will they be popular. But I think most of you realize that a policy which does not ask for changes or sacrifices would not be an effective policy.

This plan is essential to protect our jobs, our environment, our standard of living, and our future.

Whether this plan truly makes a difference will be decided not here in Washington, but in every town and every factory, in every home an don every highway and every farm.

I believe this can be a positive challenge. There is something especially American in the kinds of changes we have to make. We have been proud, through our history of being efficient people.

We have been proud of our leadership in the world. Now we have a chance again to give the world a positive example.

And we have been proud of our vision of the future. We have always wanted to give our children and grandchildren a world richer in possibilities than we've had. They are the ones we must provide for now. They are the ones who will suffer most if we don't act.

I've given you some of the principles of the plan.

I am sure each of you will find something you don't like about the specifics of our proposal. It will demand that we make sacrifices and changes in our lives. To some degree, the sacrifices will be painful -- but so is any meaningful sacrifice. It will lead to some higher costs, and to some greater inconveniences for everyone.

But the sacrifices will be gradual, realistic and necessary. Above all, they will be fair. No one will gain an unfair advantage through this plan. No one will be asked to bear an unfair burden. We will monitor the accuracy of data from the oil and natural gas companies, so that we will know their true production, supplies, reserves, and profits.

The citizens who insist on driving large, unnecessarily powerful cars must expect to pay more for that luxury.

We can be sure that all the special interest groups in the country will attack the part of this plan that affects them directly. They will say that sacrifice is fine, as long as other people do it, but that their sacrifice is unreasonable, or unfair, or harmful to the country. If they succeed, then the burden on the ordinary citizen, who is not organized into an interest group, would be crushing.

There should be only one test for this program: whether it will help our country.

Other generation of Americans have faced and mastered great challenges. I have faith that meeting this challenge will make our own lives even richer. If you will join me so that we can work together with patriotism and courage, we will again prove that our great nation can lead the world into an age of peace, independence and freedom.

Jimmy Carter, "The President's Proposed Energy Policy." 18 April 1977.



For 31 years, we have been losing that "moral equivalent of war." Perhaps we should start listening to Jimmy Carter and conserve energy.

Better late than never. By the way, our refusal to conserve helped fuel the climate crisis. It's all connected:

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DjMorpheus

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Man I been sayin this shit since last year. Everything that mufucka was talkin bout back then is comin to pass and back then he was considered a idiot or crazy or whateva. People don't wanna do what's hard while they got it easy. Gas was less than 1.00 a gallon back then. Now that's it's bout to be 5.00 a gallon with no drop in sight mufuckas wanna START talkin bout alternate energy? We should be knee deep in solar tech RIGHT NOW. Solar plants all over this bitch. Wind energy, etc. all that shit. Mufuckas elect a oil businessman to run the country and now we supposed to be shocked about this shit?

But Carter was the fool.

Uhhh huh.

Let this shit marinate tho. Wait till we bout 5,6 months into 6.00 a gallon gas.

If I was Carter I would shoot a 10 second YouTube video. Shit would come on and be like "I TOLD YOU MUFUCKAS! I TOLD ALLLLLLLLLLLL U BITCHES! NOW WHAT!!!???"
 

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Good drop.

People don't want to believe shit until its too late and everybody's in a state of panic.
 

Spectrum

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Mufuckas elect a oil businessman to run the country and now we supposed to be shocked about this shit?

Yep. Reagan promptly killed all the alternative energy policy that Carter prompted... Reagan even removed the solar panels Carter had at the white house...:smh::smh: and the rest is history...
 

Spectrum

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This is why I fucks with Jimmy. Them crackas STILL hate on that man.

They HATE Jimmy... I've never seen muthafuckas get so out of pocket at they get about Jimmy Carter..I was just reading a blog today and this cat ranting for paragraphs about how Jimmy was the biggest scum to ever walk the earth..blah blah blah..

I mean damn... even if I disagree with some of his policy at least I know he had good intentions... and then you have muthafuckas like Bush and people for the most part aren't up in arms over the bullshit his administration has done
 

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Dude. Jimmy Carter was NOT the bungling pacifist the the media and those in power portrayed him to be. Dude was on point on energy and diplomacy. There was post on BGOL a while ago listing the worst Presidents of the modern era and his name was one it. I was like WTF?!?!? The reason why Jimmy Carter is vilified is for his forward thinking and his diplomatic stance with dealing with other nations. He was not an irrational or a shoot first ask questions later president. As a result the republican party and the CIA F****'d him hard on the hostage release with Iran and painted him as inept. Covert agencies actually worked against the president of the United states and this is never expanded upon in the press - EVER.


Good drop.
 
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Spectrum

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The reason why Jimmy Carter is vilified is for his forward thinking and his diplomatic stance with dealing with other notions. He was not an irrational or a shoot first ask questions later president.


Good drop.

Yep. The GOP loves those ready-shoot-aim type of presidents like Bush. Carter is vilified for that very reason you mentioned..because he seeks to be a diplomat...and not use war as a first option. Although the stagflation, etc and other economic issue he dealt with plays their role in his negative ratings... it's the fact that he wants to actually have sit-down with leaders that we dont agree with... kind of sound familiar right?... same thing the GOP is trying to pin on Obama..
 

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Dude. Jimmy Carter was NOT the bungling pacifist the the media and those in power portrayed him to be. Dude was on point on energy and diplomacy. There was post on BGOL a while ago listing the worst Presidents of the modern era and his name was one it. I was like WTF?!?!? The reason why Jimmy Carter is vilified is for his forward thinking and his diplomatic stance with dealing with other notions. He was not an irrational or a shoot first ask questions later president. As a result the republican party and the CIA F****'d him hard on the hostage release with Iran and painted him as inept. Covert agencies actually worked against the president of the United states and this is never expanded upon in the press - EVER.


Good drop.
C/S 100%
 

Mr. Bizkits

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The reason why the people didn't like Carter were because the elites didn't like Carter. Carter's plan would interfere with the elite's oil profits and monopoly.

The elites of the country knew that Carter was right, but they didn't want sacrafice their interests for the people.

For those that don't know, the elites aka the lobbyists control government as well as the media outlets. The elites were able to use media outlets control the people to know that Carter is a dumbass.

BTW, good read...
 

nyyyyce

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The reason why the people didn't like Carter were because the elites didn't like Carter. Carter's plan would interfere with the elite's oil profits and monopoly.

The elites of the country knew that Carter was right, but they didn't want sacrafice their interests for the people.


For those that don't know, the elites aka the lobbyists control government as well as the media outlets. The elites were able to use media outlets control the people to know that Carter is a dumbass.

BTW, good read...
WERD.
 

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I remember as a elemetary school kid this speech. My parents were glued to the tv.

Ain't shit change because of the republicans so I say...


ALL REPUBLICANS CAN EAT A DICK STRAIGHT UP AND CHOKE!!!
 

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They HATE Jimmy... I've never seen muthafuckas get so out of pocket at they get about Jimmy Carter..I was just reading a blog today and this cat ranting for paragraphs about how Jimmy was the biggest scum to ever walk the earth..blah blah blah..

I can't tell you how much I've also heard people talk major shit about carter; And they still hate his ass to this day..Guess even back then, telling the truth was also a problem..

For most people, common sense & reasoning go out the window once money gets involved....
 

CPT Callamity

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Behold a Pale Horse broke all of this down.

What is more profound is that this was the year I was born...that means they had 31 years to come up with ways of making solar panels on houses and using hydroelectricity, nuclear, wind and biomass fuels. I'll say it once as I've said before...global warming is the biggest money making scheme out there, but the energy crisis is a result of greed. That is on both the consumer and the supplier.

If you watch the movie "Who killed the Electric Car?" you will be rather angry.
There are diesel engines running on french fry grease
Electric cars can be a reality, but the big auto industry has blocked for years.
There are cars in India that run off of compressed air.
When money is involved, even the best idea can sound bad and be prevented.
 

360KNOWLEDGE

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When money is involved, even the best idea can sound bad and be prevented.

Co-sign

Isn't Carter an engineer, anyway?
 

kenbgco68

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If you watch the movie "Who killed the Electric Car?" you will be rather angry.
There are diesel engines running on french fry grease
Electric cars can be a reality, but the big auto industry has blocked for years.
There are cars in India that run off of compressed air.
When money is involved, even the best idea can sound bad and be prevented.

Also check the film "Jimmy Carter Man from Plains" (2007) that gives the truth about Carter's administration.
http://www.sonyclassics.com/jimmycartermanfromplains/

If I had to choose a past president to run again, he's my choice (not Bill).
 

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Re: America should have listened to Jimmy Carter on Energyin 1977

Congrats on that bull shit you just posted.
:lol::lol::lol:Jimmy Carter's Energy policy!

Jimmy Carter's Energy plans.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hmm what was the first "Black" President William Jefferson Clinton doing in his 8 years about America's Energy issues??

Yes Bush, Regan and the SUV are to blame!

I guess Chinese and Indian demand for oil and gas does not matter!

We can all have solar powered what ever and we would still be using oil!

We need more clean coal plants in the US and in the short term we need to increase US oil production!
We have the we need oil in the ground or just off our coast lines! We can increase the number of Nuclear power plants
Some small town can be even ran off or wind farms!

At a cost of $5,000 to $20,000 per home solar energy is not something the average American home owner can't afford to invest in in the short term! Thats not counting Rewiring older home changing paneling and maintenances or labor cost!

Cars have use less than 2% of the oil used in America on any given day!

So blaming the SUV is even more crap!
 

da_monumental_1

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Behold a Pale Horse broke all of this down.

What is more profound is that this was the year I was born...that means they had 31 years to come up with ways of making solar panels on houses and using hydroelectricity, nuclear, wind and biomass fuels. I'll say it once as I've said before...global warming is the biggest money making scheme out there, but the energy crisis is a result of greed. That is on both the consumer and the supplier.

If you watch the movie "Who killed the Electric Car?" you will be rather angry.
There are diesel engines running on french fry grease
Electric cars can be a reality, but the big auto industry has blocked for years.
There are cars in India that run off of compressed air.
When money is involved, even the best idea can sound bad and be prevented.

The Chevy Volt will be out late '10.

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/lgTcdfkihE4[/flash]
 

PLASMA CANNON

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:hmm::hmm:




a BLACK MAN INVENTED A CAR THA RAN OFF OF WATER BACK IN THE DAY BUT U THINK THESE FUCKS WANTED 2 LISTEN....:hmm::hmm: CAR COMPANYS PROLLY BOUGHT HIS IDEA
 

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People can criticize and villify Carter all they want but they cant criticize the truth...yeah mofos aint laughing no more since gas hit 4 dollars and will steadily climb...the man was dead on...Its very sad that in this day in age of technological innovations, an energy source that has been used since the late 19th century is still sorely needed today...thats just dispicable and downright regressive...OPEC and oil companies are the absolute bane of this world...they try their best to prohibit alternative energy sources to make their way to the mainstream world among other shit...what are these dumbfucks going to do when it becomes absolutely unnecessary for mankind to depend on oil anymore...
 
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Spectrum

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Re: America should have listened to Jimmy Carter on Energyin 1977

Congrats on that bull shit you just posted.
:lol::lol::lol:Jimmy Carter's Energy policy!

Jimmy Carter's Energy plans.:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Hmm what was the first "Black" President William Jefferson Clinton doing in his 8 years about America's Energy issues??

Yes Bush, Regan and the SUV are to blame!

I guess Chinese and Indian demand for oil and gas does not matter!

We can all have solar powered what ever and we would still be using oil!

We need more clean coal plants in the US and in the short term we need to increase US oil production!
We have the we need oil in the ground or just off our coast lines! We can increase the number of Nuclear power plants
Some small town can be even ran off or wind farms!

At a cost of $5,000 to $20,000 per home solar energy is not something the average American home owner can't afford to invest in in the short term! Thats not counting Rewiring older home changing paneling and maintenances or labor cost!

Cars have use less than 2% of the oil used in America on any given day!

So blaming the SUV is even more crap!

Read some of my old posts about energy. You're half stupid if you think 30 years of pursuing an alternative energy policy would not have had a huge impact on our current dependency on foreign oil. I'm not going to even go into the other issues...I'll save that for another thread....You've completely missed the point of the thread as usual
 

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You get more enemies when you are right. No one agrees, only when past and comes real, you gain friends.
 

nyyyyce

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What I find disturbing AND fascinating is that you can see today what he said makes sense, you can read about how the hostage trade was not made until Ronald Reagan got in office and a whole host of PROVABLE and RECORDED truths that shatter every lie and false claim made by "the right", but Carter still can't shake the "inept" smear they have crafted for him.
 

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Re: America should have listened to Jimmy Carter on Energyin 1977

Read some of my old posts about energy. You're half stupid if you think 30 years of pursuing an alternative energy policy would not have had a huge impact on our current dependency on foreign oil. I'm not going to even go into the other issues...I'll save that for another thread....You've completely missed the point of the thread as usual
eewwll please explain to these idiots talkin that shit that cd-rom players/recorders for the computer were upwards of $1,500.00 back in early 90's. Should they have stopped makin them bitches because they cost so much back then when they first hit the market? How much is a cd burner now?lol Mufuckas been talkin bout the initial cost of solar panels for decades but there are examples all over the world where the initial investment pays off in the long run and entire cities are run by solar power.
 

Spectrum

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Re: America should have listened to Jimmy Carter on Energyin 1977

eewwll please explain to these idiots talkin that shit that cd-rom players/recorders for the computer were upwards of $1,500.00 back in early 90's. Should they have stopped makin them bitches because they cost so much back then when they first hit the market? How much is a cd burner now?lol Mufuckas been talkin bout the initial cost of solar panels for decades but there are examples all over the world where the initial investment pays off in the long run and entire cities are run by solar power.

Exactly. One area that applies to this in technology is microchips with Moore's law.. but it's a common attribute of the cost of technology period... the cost of production will decrease almost exponentially over a long period of time as new technology and new processes decrease not only the cost of the components in production but also a plethora of other things can be decreased in cost because of increased demand, etc.
 

Spectrum

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What I find disturbing AND fascinating is that you can see today what he said makes sense, you can read about how the hostage trade was not made until Ronald Reagan got in office and a whole host of PROVABLE and RECORDED truths that shatter every lie and false claim made by "the right", but Carter still can't shake the "inept" smear they have crafted for him.

Yep.... makes is really easy to come to a probably conclusion that the CIA was working against Carter because the Carter was despised the power structures that had the ability to pull off such action
 

nyyyyce

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Yep.... makes is really easy to come to a probably conclusion that the CIA was working against Carter because the Carter was despised the power structures that had the ability to pull off such action


No fam. There is no "probably or "probable" about it. :smh: This is why I get irritated (amongst other things). It is documented that the CIA worked against this man and fools still regurgitate talking points from the GOP 1979 play book..:hmm:

From another post of mine on Jimmy Carter:



Whoa....not so fast slim. A lot of the things that happened, especially in his last two years of Carter's reign were brought about- behind the scenes - by factions of the republican party/CIA that were angling for power. One very important part of all the grief Carter gets is because of the hostage negotiations with Iran in late 1979. Republican and CIA agents circumvented the hostages from being freed on Carter's watch. This has been one of the biggest marks on carter's presidency. HOWEVER, what was not reported was the deliberate delays and roadblocks that made Reagan "appear" to be the lion to Jimmy carter's lamb.


And before all the "anti-conspiracy theorist" hacks start yapping:


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"October Surprise"

Upon the death of the shah in July (which neutralized one demand) and the Iraqi invasion of Iran in September (necessitating weapons acquisition), Iran became more amenable to reopening negotiations for the hostages' release.

In the late stages of the presidential race with Ronald Reagan, Carter, given those new parameters, might have been able to bargain with the Iranians, which might have clinched the election for him. The 11th-hour heroics were dubbed an "October Surprise"* by the Reagan camp — something they did not want to see happen.:hmm:

Allegations surfaced that William Casey, director of the Reagan campaign, and some CIA operatives, secretly met with Iranian officials in Europe to arrange for the hostages' release, but not until after the election. If true, some observers aver, dealing with a hostile foreign government to achieve a domestic administration's defeat would have been grounds for charges of treason.

Reagan won the election, partly because of the failure of the Carter administration to bring the hostages home. Within minutes of Reagan's inauguration, the hostages were released. :puke:Under Reagan, the Iran-Contra Affair completes this story.


http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h2021.html

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If his own government is working against him, on more than this occasion, how do you run an effective presidency then?!?!? You and a lot of other folks will crap on him. IF people really read and go deeper than what is "commonly" fed to them things will look a whole lot different .:yes:



:smh:




Again the worst-est are:

1. Bush Jr.
2. Reagan
3.(working on it)
 
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