All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 100%.

[da_monumental_1]

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Just stop, you have embarassed yourself enough for today

Dinosaurs are reptiles

EDit: I just needed to double check


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinosaur

Thank you

Wiki Talk Page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Dinosaur

First Line, cladistics vs. phylogenetics section

This was changed a long time ago by some editor. The definition used to say reptile like with a footnote explaining what the problem was calling them reptiles. I support removing the word reptile and using something more precise. JPotter (talk) 03:15, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

 

[CoTtOnMoUf]

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[godofwine]

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Peace,

One of the best articulated, most thoughtful and convincing arguments about God and belief that I've ever had the pleasure of hearing.

c/s completely

6 pages and 212 replies in less than 20 hours (Posted 8/21/10 @ 6:53PM) WOW!

 

[xxxxxxxxxllllllllllllll]

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I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.

 

[DreDee]

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Good Video.

 

[Olosi]

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WOW!! 7 pages of fire, and for what? Did anything get accomplished? Most that I saw was name calling,disrespect, and ego driven conceit on both sides. Pointing out who killed how many and in what name served to do what? If you were being killed, would you really care if it was a "religious" reason or an "atheist" reason?
Some of you are pro God or pro Jesus for what reason? And please don't use the bible or any religious text as proof. Atheists who are just as ego centric because they are closed minded and give no wiggle room for the possibility of a CREATOR!
And please stop saying Jesus is God! He is no more a son of God than you are(let those who have understanding hear what I am saying).
Just to clarify my position, I know for a fact there is a CREATOR and that there are beings you would call gods.If you want proof ask some one who is trying to convert you to their way of thinking. Me, I just like to put it out there and stir the nest. Most arguments for the existence of God have been weak, and the same can be said for the reasoning behind there not being a god. Ask yourselves one question: "If I were GOD and created all things and nothing happened that I didn't allow, would I care what humans thought?" Now off to another Universe or dimension or reality...Oh, wait I am already there.
That's my 25 cents.

 

[BigATLslim]

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I see what you're saying... like you said, it was a hypothetical... and that's fine, but it points out something about all religion, and all religious teachings. It's all hypothetical, although most people who are believers are afraid to admit that. I do believe in God, and I believe because I choose to believe, even though I know that I have no proof, I have no knowledge of the hows, whens and whats.... and I know that religion, for the most part, is man's silly way of dealing with his fear of death and his need to make this all make some sense...

Every person on earth can (and many have) make up or think up, or thoughtfully hypothesize about God, gods, heaven, hell, or whatever, but it doesn't necessarily make them right. What one person believes is really no more or less relevant than what another person believes. Jews believe Christians are wrong about the saviour, Christians believe Jews better get with the program before judgement day. Christians and Jews believe that Buddists and Wiccans and Hindus and Muslims have it wrong, and vice versa.

In the meantime, we were born with brains; brains that are capable of thinking critically. If a perfect being created us, that means that the gift of critical thought was given for a reason, and I don't believe that anyone will ever be punished for using it. Most people of one religion think pretty critically about other religions and decide that in their opinion, those other religions are just flat out wrong. Some people do the same, but to all religions, not just saving the one that their parents taught them to believe, or that their countrymen believe. I think God would appreciate a non-believer... he'd probably say "man, if I grew up down there, I really wouldn't trust what reverend, or imam or rabbi or whoever told me either"... cause they're just men, and men lie, and men make mistakes, and men change stories to benefit themselves".

This, first.

Athiests whole existence is being obsessed with what others are obsessed with. Do athiests ever do anything else apart from obsess about religions, you would think they would focus on things vital to their way of thinking. If you athiests are so smart how come you never address the fact that the worlds worst killing regimes(communists) were athiest. If athiest are such rational thinkers why did they not organise the civil rights campaign rather than waiting for irrational christians to meet in churches to organise the campaigns? Plus if you are so smart why are you mad at the white man for slavery because the only reason why slavery was agreed to be wrong was because it went against natural law which stems christian or Godly laws?

The assumption is being made that individuals from diverse reiligous backgrounds did not all play a part? If you understand religion by region, it would be hard for the civil rights movement to start in the North American South and not have a heavy "Christian" influence. However, don't let that blind the fact you had plenty that did not believe that vein but wanted freedom, justice, and equality for all.

Furthermore, the primary leader of the civil rights movement primary approach was a cue taken from someone who was a practicing Hindu.

I believe in telling whole stories.

The number is probably less than 20 million over 4 centuries. And I would base that on the fact that hundred years ago populations weren't as inflated and as huge as today , people were sparesly populated due to food not being readily available, fertile land for farming, medicine, life expectancy and other factors. If they were really 100 milliona native americans where did their cities near rivers,lakes and food sources vanish to. How come none of the accounts of the europeans not say they killed or subjugated that many. Theres no way 50 million people can disappear with no one recording or even noticing something wrong .

You are going to leave it up to Europeans to be honest about their atrocities? Have you assessed history and learned nothing about them? The primary suspects fro absolving themselves of damn near ALL wrong doing.

peace to you...but the bible is a book. God didn't write the book, so I can't treat it like he did. Some do; you may, and that's cool... but it's just something where I also respectfully disagree with you.
You have your beliefs, and to you they are gospel. Others have different beliefs, and they believe that you are wrong, no doubt as you believe they are wrong.

You keep bringing up stuff from the bible... a book in which you obviously believe 100%. I just don't... so speaking about what was said to Peter doesn't really do anything for me, because I have no idea what if anything was really said to Peter or anyone else. The bible may be 100% right or 100% wrong... men wrote what you are reading, so it is as imperfect as anything else written by men. Many will argue against that, but that doesn't change that fact. Many people will argue that the book of morman or Scientology texts is the truth, and I'd bet that you would argue against that, even though their beliefs are as honestly thought out and as thoughtful as yours.



All I'm saying is that I believe what I want to believe... but I don't presume to know that I am right above everyone else. God, I believe, would in fact appreciate a person who used what HE gave them to doubt the things he was told by other imperfect beings. I also believe that God would would see what I see... that there are many belief and non-belief systems in the world, so according everybody, somebody is wrong (and usually, they themselves are right).


A few hundred years ago when Martin Luther broke with the Catholic church, he did it because he had his doubts about what he had been taught and what the Pope was pushing as gospel. A whole lot of people thought (and some still do) that he was guilty of heresy, but anyone who knows the history of religion knows what effect he had on Christianity. So beliefs are often challenged, and even those who speak out against such challenges often agree with past challengers after the fact, whether they know it or not. I'm not speaking specifically of you, because for all I know, you may be catholic and think of Martin Luther as a heretic, but no doubt, the non-catholic christian world followed his lead in the decades/centuries after his death.

This, second.

WOW!! 7 pages of fire, and for what? Did anything get accomplished? Most that I saw was name calling,disrespect, and ego driven conceit on both sides. Pointing out who killed how many and in what name served to do what? If you were being killed, would you really care if it was a "religious" reason or an "atheist" reason?
Some of you are pro God or pro Jesus for what reason? And please don't use the bible or any religious text as proof. Atheists who are just as ego centric because they are closed minded and give no wiggle room for the possibility of a CREATOR!
And please stop saying Jesus is God! He is no more a son of God than you are(let those who have understanding hear what I am saying).
Just to clarify my position, I know for a fact there is a CREATOR and that there are beings you would call gods.If you want proof ask some one who is trying to convert you to their way of thinking. Me, I just like to put it out there and stir the nest. Most arguments for the existence of God have been weak, and the same can be said for the reasoning behind there not being a god. Ask yourselves one question: "If I were GOD and created all things and nothing happened that I didn't allow, would I care what humans thought?" Now off to another Universe or dimension or reality...Oh, wait I am already there.
That's my 25 cents.

Well, damn!

And to end it off, nyleman has successfully done something that I have not personally witnessed on BGOL. It appears that one man has inserted himself into a 3rd or more of a thread, totaling more than five pages, to talk about a topic that was not original to the OP. Un-fucking-believable. I'm not mad, though. It's sh!t like this that makes BGOL what it is today.

 

[exiledking]

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WOW!! 7 pages of fire, and for what? Did anything get accomplished? Most that I saw was name calling,disrespect, and ego driven conceit on both sides. Pointing out who killed how many and in what name served to do what? If you were being killed, would you really care if it was a "religious" reason or an "atheist" reason?
Some of you are pro God or pro Jesus for what reason? And please don't use the bible or any religious text as proof. Atheists who are just as ego centric because they are closed minded and give no wiggle room for the possibility of a CREATOR!
And please stop saying Jesus is God! He is no more a son of God than you are(let those who have understanding hear what I am saying).
Just to clarify my position, I know for a fact there is a CREATOR and that there are beings you would call gods.If you want proof ask some one who is trying to convert you to their way of thinking. Me, I just like to put it out there and stir the nest. Most arguments for the existence of God have been weak, and the same can be said for the reasoning behind there not being a god. Ask yourselves one question: "If I were GOD and created all things and nothing happened that I didn't allow, would I care what humans thought?" Now off to another Universe or dimension or reality...Oh, wait I am already there.
That's my 25 cents.

you don't know what gets accomplished because we are all anonymous.

Some get better insights, some sharpen their debating swords, some get pissed off, some get converted, some get NOTHING. I've had numerous debates on here and in real life, and often I learn from it.

It irritates me and strikes me as passive aggressive when people tend to want END IT ALL with the same statement about how we should just leave each other alone-- when that person could really just leave it alone, since it matters to them so much.


The rule has always been not to argue religion and politics ... AT WORK.

We're on a board exchanging ideas through the power of WORDS, not fists. I'm all for it.


Who knows? some may have learned basic writing and grammar even better.


It's evolutionary and healthy in many cases.

 

[phillyphilly]

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Philosophy majors, step up...

 

[gene cisco]

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That boy nyeleman will argue the sun coming up while that shit is rising. Holy shit.

 

[PoppaSo]

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I prayed and studied my ass off and passed. If I had just prayed, I would have failed. If I had just studied, I would have passed.

See right here is where you depart from logic. You can not speculate on what would have happened. You asked for help. You prayed, you stepped out on faith. Your actions aligned with belief and not doubt and you were blessed. You don't pray to walk on water and then don't want to get your feet wet (?) or want someone to carry you on the water (?) You get to stepping in faith.

However, you didn't give credit where it was due. You also don't know what would have happened if you had just pray. You speculate on assumptions which are incorrect. I think the reason why you weren't doing well in math in the first place and why you figured God isn't still helping you pass math now are a close related miscalculation of on your behalf. (just a little humor'.

It is God who give us the power to get wealth, knowledge and understanding. Faith cometh by hearing and HEARING by the Word of God. Did you give yourself ears? A brain? did you make wisdom, logic? or understanding. or was it always there? Who makes your heart beat? You or God. Just sayin

<< Deuteronomy 8:18 >>
But remember the LORD your God, for it is he who gives you the ability to produce wealth, and so confirms his covenant, which he swore to your forefathers, as it is today.

Truth is half the stuff we pray about God is saying "Why are you asking me? I ALREADY gave you power to get it". So one you figured out what God said you had all along.

So one day you WOKE up and used it and forget God? hmmm ;-)

 

[PoppaSo]

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Its sad how you all try to wrap your meager pitiful human nigga minds around god's.... you act as if you would do better, as if you would be a better god... or if your judgement of life is so much better..... yet you live in sin everyday.... and you have the fortitude to question god...

i would respect a reasonable arguement but i have yet to see one in all these athiest posts...

we are all prisoners to misinformation and being lazy and not finding things out for ourselves... we see a backsliding preacher so we shy away from god.... yet if a woman breaks ur heart u dont shy away from women all together... its all what you have the faith and wisdom to do.... some people are just lazy

Sometimes I think Christianity only means telling someone the "Hot Dag" truth without cussing them the heck out especially when it's in their face everyday. .

So you just have a way of putting it bluntly.

 

[PoppaSo]

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I may not be a God to humans but to a Computer or Robot I am and I can code a set of instructions that will make a Computer do what I wish. If I do however code some instructions that cause my computer to run incorrectly I'm not going to break my computer - I'm going to rewrite the code. According to the Christian Bible God doesn't want to rewrite the code...he wants to keep destroying the incorrectly programmed computers until they work how he wishes which makes no damn sense. If you cannot understand that point it is due to the fact that your beliefs are blinding your ability to reason.

How is people making bad choices incorrect coding? Especially when they are programmed to make either good or bad choices? Then you tell them what's a bad choice is and whats a good choice is. You give them the answers to the test..Then you forewarned them that making bad choices can lead to death. yet they take it upon themselves for their own edification and desire to base on what they want as an individual to make the bad choice anyhow? Then you get made because we are held accountable for our choices? Oh and then you get a second chance and you still throw a tantrum because you want viruses ridden, non logical, wasteful, counterproductive code full of holes and inaccuracy?

Again, I can't figure out why free thinkers despise free will.

 

[PoppaSo]

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I may not be a God to humans but to a Computer or Robot I am and I can code a set of instructions that will make a Computer do what I wish. If I do however code some instructions that cause my computer to run incorrectly I'm not going to break my computer - I'm going to rewrite the code. According to the Christian Bible God doesn't want to rewrite the code...he wants to keep destroying the incorrectly programmed computers until they work how he wishes which makes no damn sense. If you cannot understand that point it is due to the fact that your beliefs are blinding your ability to reason.

How is people making bad choices incorrect coding? Especially when they are programmed to make either good or bad choices? Then you tell them what's a bad choice is and whats a good choice is. You give them the answers to the test..Then you forewarned them that making bad choices can lead to death. yet they take it upon themselves for their own edification and desire to base on what they want as an individual to make the bad choice anyhow? Then you get made because we are held accountable for our choices? Oh and then you get a second chance and you still throw a tantrum because you want viruses ridden, non logical, wasteful, counterproductive code full of holes and inaccuracy?

Again, I can't figure out why free thinkers despise free will.

 

[PoppaSo]

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I may not be a God to humans but to a Computer or Robot I am and I can code a set of instructions that will make a Computer do what I wish. If I do however code some instructions that cause my computer to run incorrectly I'm not going to break my computer - I'm going to rewrite the code. According to the Christian Bible God doesn't want to rewrite the code...he wants to keep destroying the incorrectly programmed computers until they work how he wishes which makes no damn sense. If you cannot understand that point it is due to the fact that your beliefs are blinding your ability to reason.

How is people making bad choices incorrect coding? Especially when they are programmed to make either good or bad choices? Then you tell them what's a bad choice is and whats a good choice is. You give them the answers to the test..Then you forewarned them that making bad choices can lead to death. yet they take it upon themselves for their own edification and desire to base on what they want as an individual to make the bad choice anyhow? Then you get made because we are held accountable for our choices? Oh and then you get a second chance and you still throw a tantrum because you want viruses ridden, non logical, wasteful, counterproductive code full of holes and inaccuracy?

Again, I can't figure out why free thinkers despise free will.

 

[JD Walker]

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For the life of me I don't understand why fellow atheists insists on arguing with theists. It's the equivalent of a group of Nobel Prize winning professors convincing a group of special ed kids santa doesn't exist.

The premise on which theists argue the existence of a god is false. That's why it's called a logical fallacy.

A simple breakdown of a theists argument for this existence of god is:

A + B = C

A. I woke up this morning
B. I got an unexpected check in the mail
C. Therefore God exists

A and B offers absolutely no proof of C.

And it's bogus because I can easily say:
A. I woke up this morning
B. I got an unexpected check in the mail
C. Therefore the all knowing car trunk gnome exists

What I find hilarious is that the theists will argue against the second statement EVEN THOUGH their own premise was used to arrive at that conclusion.

Second, the burden of proof always lies with the one making the claim.
If I came on BGOL and said I smashed out Gabrielle Union, yall niggas would want proof, right? What if I said, "Yall niggas need to prove that I didn't smash Gabrielle Union". I don't have to explain how it would end.

The theists DOES NOT, NEVER HAD, and NEVER WILL HAVE a solid premise to back up their argument for the existence of a god.

 

[PoppaSo]

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A + B = C

A. I woke up this morning
B. I got an unexpected check in the mail
C. Therefore God exists

A and B offers absolutely no proof of C.

This is not logic. A and B has no reference to God so how can C be relevant to God?

A and B offers absolutely no proof of C.

True. It's a completely arbitrary algorithm.

Second, the burden of proof always lies with the one making the claim.

Agreed. Ask God.

 

[BGLR1212000]

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Those of you that call yourself Christians, but believe in ghosts, you need to re evaluate your beliefs. Ghosts go against everything most religions stand for.

 

[BGLR1212000]

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Sometimes I think Christianity only means telling someone the "Hot Dag" truth without cussing them the heck out especially when it's in their face everyday. .

So you just have a way of putting it bluntly.

If you can't prove it, its not truth. Telling us that you prayed and found your remote is not proof of anything except you found a lost remote. The real truth is that you would have found it anyway had you kept looking.

 

[divine]

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Those of you that call yourself Christians, but believe in ghosts, you need to re evaluate your beliefs. Ghosts go against everything most religions stand for.

Isn't Jesus now considered a ghost?

 

[PoppaSo]

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If you can't prove it, its not truth. Telling us that you prayed and found your remote is not proof of anything except you found a lost remote. The real truth is that you would have found it anyway had you kept looking.

No. I can't prove I prayed.

 

[PoppaSo]

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Those of you that call yourself Christians, but believe in ghosts, you need to re evaluate your beliefs. Ghosts go against everything most religions stand for.

Christianity is not like most religions.

 

[PoppaSo]

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Isn't Jesus now considered a ghost?

No.

 

[divine]

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No. I can't prove I prayed.

You sure can't! Unless you do it out loud.

 

[PoppaSo]

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You sure can't! Unless you do it out loud.

Nope. Not even then.

God says pray with "faith" so if you asked for Him to prove himself to you. You would have to do so with sincerity.

I could pray out loud and not mean a word. That's not prayer.

 

[divine]

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Not that it matters anyway. God is a concept made up by man.. so is prayer.

Nope. Not even then.

God says pray with "faith" so if you asked for Him to prove himself to you. You would have to do so with sincerity.

I could pray out loud and not mean a word. That's not prayer.

 

[PoppaSo]

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Not that it matters anyway. God is a concept made up by man.. so is prayer.

My prayers to God prevaileth much.

 

[divine]

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My prayers to God prevaileth much.

Prove it.

 

[PoppaSo]

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Prove it.

Why? You didn't believe me the first time?

 

[divine]

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Why? You didn't believe me the first time?

Exactly.

 

[PoppaSo]

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Exactly.

So don't ask me. Ask God.

Maybe you will believe him.

 

[divine]

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So don't ask me. Ask God.

Maybe you will believe him.

Not that it matters anyway. God is a concept made up by man.. so is prayer.

 

[PoppaSo]

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Exactly Doubting Thomas

Why? You didn't believe me the first time?

 

[ifuno]

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Why do people insist on bringing up religious topics on a porn board? Stop it already!! Stop caring what another mans religion is? Why do you feel the need to always go against people that believe in God? There are other religions, stupid. My goodness! Give it a rest!

They feel guilty I guess.

 

[divine]

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