All Believers In God, Listen to this Man's Reasons For NOT Believing. I Agree 100%.

[PoppaSo]

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I can prove to anybody that you exist, but you can't prove to anybody that God exists. Therefore, it is up to discussion, unless you just don't want to discuss it.

As an example.

I ask God to help me find my remote control today. I prayed and I got up and found it immediately when I had looked for it for 2 hours before praying. How did if find it, by praying or by looking?

Then I had a huge problem. I prayed, I ask God to fix the problem, immediately got call that said the problem Fixed. What we thought was going to be difficult quickly presented itself as an easy solution. How did it get fixed and who fixed it?

In the bible, A woman touched Jesus garment and after 12 years of going to other doctors without success, it was immediately healed. How did she get Healed and who healed her.

I called a repair man from my job to fix the TV while I was at work, when I got home the TV was fix. I didn't see anyone fix it...who fixed it? an invisible TV man.

 

[BGLR1212000]

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As an example.

I ask God to help me find my remote control today. I prayed and I got up and found it immediately when I had looked for it for 2 hours before praying. How did if find it, by praying or by looking?

Then I had a huge problem. I prayed, I ask God to fix the problem, immediately got call that said the problem Fixed. What we thought was going to be difficult quickly presented itself as an easy solution. How did it get fixed and who fixed it?

In the bible, A woman touched Jesus garment and after 12 years of going to other doctors without success, it was immediately healed. How did she get Healed and who healed her.

I called a repair man from my job to fix the TV while I was at work, when I got home the TV was fix. I didn't see anyone fix it...who fixed it? an invisible TV man.

I was raised in a Christian church and went to a Christian school. I can give examples just like that. I was going to fail math in high school, and it would have kept me from graduating. I prayed and studied my ass off and passed. If I had just prayed, I would have failed. If I had just studied, I would have passed.
I was late on my rent and about to be evicted in college. I worked my ass off to get the money. Didn't pray at all about it, and still got the cash. Case in point, if I had prayed about it, I would have been out on my ass. I used to pray that my grades in college would get better. I flunked out that semester. I came back, smoking, drinking, and studying my ass off. By then I said fuck prayer, and finished with a 3.0.

 

[ronmch20]

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What's the point of him explaining why he finds it hard to believe? He's obviously satisfied with his reasoning so it seems his only motive for sharing is to get others to begin to doubt their convictions.

 

[divine]

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What's the point of him explaining why he finds it hard to believe? He's obviously satisfied with his reasoning so it seems his only motive for sharing is to get others to begin to doubt their convictions.

I think he's trying to reason with christians.. which I agree, is a waste of time.

 

[divine]

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"When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity; when many people suffer from a delusion it is called religion." - Robert Pirsig (194​

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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What's the point of him explaining why he finds it hard to believe? He's obviously satisfied with his reasoning so it seems his only motive for sharing is to get others to begin to doubt their convictions.

Peace,

Because Christians keep trying to condemn him (and all non-theists) to hell. When God-fearing people find out that I'm irreligious, they quickly let me know what they think will happen to me on Judgment Day. I think this cat was proffering an explanation based on that.

 

[divine]

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Yea, but "if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people" - House

Peace,

Because Christians keep trying to condemn him (and all non-theists) to hell. When God-fearing people find out that I'm irreligious, they quickly let me know what they think will happen to me on Judgment Day. I think this cat was proffering an explanation based on that.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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Yea, but "if you could reason with religious people, there would be no religious people" - House

Peace,

There are a few.

I remember running into a Christian cat who was honest with himself. He admitted that he chose faith because he wanted to believe. He said he'd rather live in a world in which there was a Great Equalizer who made things right, at the end, when it was all said and done. He told me that he knew that the Jesus narrative didn't make much sense, but it comforted him and many others, so he chose to accept it. My man never proselytized either. He just quietly believed what he believed.

If there were more Christians like that, we'd all be better off.

 

[gemstone30]

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[stickmanX]

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Here we go again. A man who can walk out his door get hit by a car and die, trying to tell me there is no God. Get out of here with this. Do you see what we do to each other everyday. We kill, rape, burn and do so much more but you want us to tell us that there is no God? I would much rather believe that there is.......

have you actually read the bible or even watched this video? the things the GOD of Christianity is storied to have done to people through out history is infinitely worse than anything man has done to each other.

 

[nyeleman]

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Athiests whole existence is being obsessed with what others are obsessed with. Do athiests ever do anything else apart from obsess about religions, you would think they would focus on things vital to their way of thinking. If you athiests are so smart how come you never address the fact that the worlds worst killing regimes(communists) were athiest. If athiest are such rational thinkers why did they not organise the civil rights campaign rather than waiting for irrational christians to meet in churches to organise the campaigns? Plus if you are so smart why are you mad at the white man for slavery because the only reason why slavery was agreed to be wrong was because it went against natural law which stems christian or Godly laws?

 

[BGLR1212000]

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If you athiests are so smart how come you never address the fact that the worlds worst killing regimes(communists) were athiest.

Weren't the Hutu rebels in Rwanda Christians? Rwanda was the most Christian nation in Africa before the Genocide. Over 50% of the nation was Christian. They slayed over 100,000 of their own. You have the Crusades and The Spanish Inquisition, which were both all about religion. It is well known the German Christians and Catholics supported the Nazis in Germany. Hitler mentioned Christianity many times in Mein Kampf.

 

[divine]

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how come you never address the fact that the worlds worst killing regimes(communists) were athiest.

Because that is not true. The worst killing regimes were christians.

 

[nyeleman]

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Because that is not true. The worst killing regimes were christians.

Stalin killed at least 40 million(rumoured to be around 70 millio) , Mao zedon killed 35 million and Over. Here we have two athiest leaders who did not believe in God Killing over 100 million. Now if you could be so kind to post those christian figures and also tell me where God told them to kill those people . And before you go into the numbskull athiest logic of slavery being in the bible , the word in hebrew means servant.

Figures please

 

[BGLR1212000]

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Weren't the Hutu rebels in Rwanda Christians? Rwanda was the most Christian nation in Africa before the Genocide. Over 50% of the nation was Christian. They slayed over 100,000 of their own. You have the Crusades and The Spanish Inquisition, which were both all about religion. It is well known the German Christians and Catholics supported the Nazis in Germany. Hitler mentioned Christianity many times in Mein Kampf.

Stalin killed at least 40 million(rumoured to be around 70 millio) , Mao zedon killed 35 million and Over. Here we have two athiest leaders who did not believe in God Killing over 100 million. Now if you could be so kind to post those christian figures and also tell me where God told them to kill those people . And before you go into the numbskull athiest logic of slavery being in the bible , the word in hebrew means servant.

Figures please

I quoted myself just for you.

 

[nyeleman]

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I quoted myself just for you.

I thought you guys are supposed to be logical thinkers

The hutu's and tutsi's did not kill each other because of the religion . They killed because of simmering tensions between the tribes . If am not mistaken the strife was long simmering but blew up after the assasination of a president. Nowhere is christianity mentioned in the tensions if anything christianity has brought about reconcialiation in Rwanda with forgiveness in the community. Here you have clearly failed to connect two dots that are not even on the same page.


EDIT: so much for your athiest logic huh! Tell me where is christianity in the cause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide

In 1957, the Hutu Emancipation Movement (Parmehutu) published the Hutu Manifesto (sometimes called "Bahutu Manifesto"), in which it alleged a monopoly of power held by the Tutsi minority. In the 1960s, these denunciations led to the overthrow of the monarchy and the establishment of the Republic headed by Gregoire Kayibanda. This was a regime that persecuted the Tutsi, who were forced to flee in many cases. The persecution also went on under the regime of Juvénal Habyarimana, who had seized power in 1973 and promised progress.

In neighboring Burundi, there were two preceding genocides since the country’s independence in 1962: the 1972 mass killings of Hutu by the Tutsi army [5] and the 1994 killing of Tutsi by the Hutu population.

 

[BGLR1212000]

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I thought you guys are supposed to be logical thinkers

The hutu's and tutsi's did not kill each other because of the religion . They killed because of simmering tensions between the tribes . If am not mistaken the strife was long simmering but blew up after the assasination of a president. Nowhere is christianity mentioned in the tensions if anything christianity has brought about reconcialiation in Rwanda with forgiveness in the community. Here you have clearly failed to connect two dots that are not even on the same page.

I didn't say it was in the name of religion. I said they were Christians, which meant, they were supposed to be above the atrocities they committed. YOU failed to connect the dots. Go back to YOUR original statement, that said the most ruthless killing regimes were atheists. I brought Rwanda up, because they were a Christian killing regime. Get your weight up.

 

[divine]

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Stalin killed at least 40 million(rumoured to be around 70 millio) , Mao zedon killed 35 million and Over. Here we have two athiest leaders who did not believe in God Killing over 100 million. Now if you could be so kind to post those christian figures and also tell me where God told them to kill those people . And before you go into the numbskull athiest logic of slavery being in the bible , the word in hebrew means servant.

Figures please

If you want to deal with facts..let's deal with facts. Where is the source to your numbers?

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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Because that is not true. The worst killing regimes were christians.

Peace,

This isn't true. Communist (non-theist) regimes have been responsible for more deaths than any Christian-run government/campaign. Stalin alone killed more people than the Crusades and the 30 Years War combined.

 

[nyeleman]

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I didn't say it was in the name of religion. I said they were Christians, which meant, they were supposed to be above the atrocities they committed. YOU failed to connect the dots.

SO if a christian disobeys the laws they are supposed to obey then it's christianity's fault? Surely if one disobeys christianity then doesn't that just prove that without laws humans are liable to self destruct, tell me why would you blame a religion when all the atrocities that you attribute to that religion were made with human reasoning free from the bible or christianity. The hutu's and tutsi's never used christianity to do the killing so how did you a claimed athiest logical thinker even add it to the equation. And while we are on that if we used your logic how come logical athiest thinkers who claim to be rational seem to be not above mass murders, thieving, irrational thinking etc?

 

[Slim Cutty]

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As the years go on here at BGOL ... this kind of discussion comes up atleast twice a month lol ... for the life of me, I don't ever understand why we even get involved in the debate.

Real recognizes real at the end of the day. Chrisitanity has been around for 2000 years or more so to speak, it's been picked apart and every loop hole exposed. As someone else stated, most athiest choose Christianity to target for the argument and truth be told many not all of the people involved in the religion are misinformed. I challenge athiest to take it back to Ancient Sumer, Mesopatamia, take it back to when the Eloheem roamed the planet and seeded this maphucka with men which would eventually birth ignorant maphuckas who become athiest/anti-theos ... Throughout this post, just like bitches do, it's obvious that people will pick apart an argument and amplify the bullshyt ...

Those of us who are not linked to christianity who believe in a creator/prime creator know that that power is within and not outside of one's self. Y'all have a nice day

And to the dude who said "I'm pretending" to know something that I don't? Unless you are me brother, you have no idea what "I" know. Listen to your Iyd and respect ya Ego man.

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[nyeleman]

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If you want to deal with facts..let's deal with facts. Where is the source to your numbers?

Trying to deflect the question are we?

Russian NKVD sources stalin's secret police They alone executed 20 million people. The famines alone killed over over 10 million check HOLODOMOR figures. Of course theres the world war two casualties.

I still see no christian figures like you claim

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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Athiests whole existence is being obsessed with what others are obsessed with. Do athiests ever do anything else apart from obsess about religions, you would think they would focus on things vital to their way of thinking. If you athiests are so smart how come you never address the fact that the worlds worst killing regimes(communists) were athiest. If athiest are such rational thinkers why did they not organise the civil rights campaign rather than waiting for irrational christians to meet in churches to organise the campaigns? Plus if you are so smart why are you mad at the white man for slavery because the only reason why slavery was agreed to be wrong was because it went against natural law which stems christian or Godly laws?

Peace,

While I will agree with you that atheists (particularly when they're young) do tend to fixate too much on Christians and that the "worst killing regimes" were purportedly non-theist, I take issue with your simplistic assessment of American slavery. Slave owners and proponents of slavery consistently used bible-based rationales to support their evil. In particular, they were fond of referencing Colossians 3:22.

 

[fatsack1]

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[BGLR1212000]

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Those of us who are not linked to christianity who believe in a creator/prime creator know that that power is within and not outside of one's self. Y'all have a nice day

This is more of where I stand on the issue. I respect people's right to believe what they choose to believe, but when it comes down to a discussion, I'll go there. Why, because it's healthy for the mind.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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Trying to deflect the question are we?

Russian NKVD sources stalin's secret police They alone executed 20 million people. The famines alone killed over over 10 million check HOLODOMOR figures. Of course theres the world war two casualties.

I still see no christian figures like you claim

Peace,

This is true but it still doesn't support Christianity.

 

[divine]

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Trying to deflect the question are we?

Russian NKVD sources stalin's secret police They alone executed 20 million people. The famines alone killed over over 10 million check HOLODOMOR figures. Of course theres the world war two casualties.

I still see no christian figures like you claim

Nope.. just trying top get you to deal with the facts.. so we can compare. First you said 40 mil, then rumored 70 mil.. now you're saying 20 mil. Which is it, and post the source? So we can compare.

 

[BGLR1212000]

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athiest thinkers who claim to be rational seem to be not above mass murders, thieving, irrational thinking etc?

Those mofos are just crazy. Aint no religion in that I guess we have reached a stalemate, which is usually what happens in these types of conversations.

 

[Slim Cutty]

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This is more of where I stand on the issue. I respect people's right to believe what they choose to believe, but when it comes down to a discussion, I'll go there. Why, because it's healthy for the mind.

You're right about that ... these discussions make us question ... and questioning is something that religion has taught us not to do since children if you were apart of one. However, some BGOLers have debate tactics that derail the entire debate ...lol that's where shyt gets irritating.

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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Peace,

Trying to deflect the question are we?

Russian NKVD sources stalin's secret police They alone executed 20 million people. The famines alone killed over over 10 million check HOLODOMOR figures. Of course theres the world war two casualties.

I still see no christian figures like you claim

Actually, the original deflection was yours. How does quoting the Stalinist death count equate to making a supportive argument for Christianity?

Nope.. just trying top get you to deal with the facts.. so we can compare. First you said 40 mil, then rumored 70 mil.. now you're saying 20 mil. Which is it, and post the source? So we can compare.

Come on, bruh. Even if it's just 20 million, death tolls under "Christian regimes" don't compare. The real question is: how is this an argument on behalf of Christianity?

 

[BGLR1212000]

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You're right about that ... these discussions make us question ... and questioning is something that religion has taught us not to do since children if you were apart of one. However, some BGOLers have debate tactics that derail the entire debate ...lol that's where shyt gets irritating.

They do that, cuz they be losing

 

[nyeleman]

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Nope.. just trying top get you to deal with the facts.. so we can compare. First you said 40 mil, then rumored 70 mil.. now you're saying 20 mil. Which is it, and post the source? So we can compare.

I just added up all the murders, people that died from stalin deliberate famines, gulag deaths

15 million people died in the famines and grain confiscation collectively plus the number of people Killed by the secret police plus the number of soldiers civilians killed in WWII. 40 million is a generous humble number because it's way above that

 

[nyeleman]

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Those mofos are just crazy. Aint no religion in that I guess we have reached a stalemate, which is usually what happens in these types of conversations.

Humans are crazy it's nothing do to with religion , what I find silly is how athiests try to attribute human behaviour to religion. People will always kill where there is a system of power, authority and lack of question. Any time you get humans in a huge group and give them a system to adhere to with leaders in an unquestionable hierachy then you will get trouble. You can rid the world today of all religions but I guarantee you the same thing that happened before with religion will continue without religion

 

[Ill Paragraph]

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I just added up all the murders, people that died from stalin deliberate famines, gulag deaths

15 million people died in the famines and grain confiscation collectively plus the number of people Killed by the secret police plus the number of soldiers civilians killed in WWII. 40 million is a generous humble number because it's way above that

Peace,

I get it. You're stuck here because this is an argument that you can win (i.e. Stalin alone killed more people than Christians have). You still haven't bothered to explain what that has to do with anything. If you have to dig up Stalin's corpse to support Christianity, what does that say about your beliefs?

 

[BGLR1212000]

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Humans are crazy it's nothing do to with religion , what I find silly is how athiests try to attribute human behaviour to religion. People will always kill where there is a system of power, authority and lack of question. Any time you get humans in a huge group and give them a system to adhere to with leaders in an unquestionable hierachy then you will get trouble. You can rid the world today of all religions but I guarantee you the same thing that happened before with religion will continue without religion

Nigga, you are the one that brought up the point that killing regimes were non Christians as if Christians were too good to kill or something. Nobody else was on that shit but you, I brought examples, and now you shoot em down.