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Abortion topic: does choosing to terminate a pregnancy say anything about a woman moral character
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Five pages over a title? Any comments made after these two posts meaning he is just talking to be talking.
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Euro centric thinking. Show me one pre european colonial black nation that believe in killing their own child....you been europeanized too much and cant even articulate yourself without white philosophy. It is our business you got the "am i my brothers keeper" attitude. Yes you are your brothers keeper
I think it's all relative.
Having an abortion b/c you're not prepared to take care of a child may be better than neglecting the child once he/she is born.
Having multiple abortions b/c you're simply too reckless to use birth control is another thing and quite selfish in my opinion.
All in all, I couldn't do it personally. But, it's not on me to judge others. I can only speak to what has worked for me. Wouldn't want it on my conscience.
Now, I've known/worked with chicks who have and they always seem to regret it (i.e. my child would be 12 now and look just like the cheerleader i saw in today's parade).
This is a never ending debate tho, w/ no resolution in sight (because there's simply nothing to resolve when 2 different people have 2 conflicting views).
Having an abortion b/c you're not prepared to take care of a child may be better than neglecting the child once he/she is born.
Having multiple abortions b/c you're simply too reckless to use birth control is another thing and quite selfish in my opinion.
All in all, I couldn't do it personally. But, it's not on me to judge others. I can only speak to what has worked for me. Wouldn't want it on my conscience.
Now, I've known/worked with chicks who have and they always seem to regret it (i.e. my child would be 12 now and look just like the cheerleader i saw in today's parade).
This is a never ending debate tho, w/ no resolution in sight (because there's simply nothing to resolve when 2 different people have 2 conflicting views).
So all of a sudden it becomes about blackness and our people.
We cant reach everyone and many dont want to be reached. Im doing well with my daughters and her friends...no teen pregnancy, all are in college and learning the new system. Sure they will stumble but im here to all of them and will continue to be.
No cant reach everyone but that isnt your attitude. Yours is "thats brendas baby that is up to brendas family"
Yeah but if a man chooses to get a vasectomy, does that make him a bad person...?
For some reason guys choose to overlook the character of the dude who knocked her up ...
Guys choose to overlook each circumstance for the pregnancy and IMMEDIATELY question the womans' moral character...
Guys choose to put all the responsibility SOLELY on the woman because she makes the final decision what to do with her own body...
- Rape.
- Incest.
- Poverty.
- Birth Defects.
Many of these thing often play a role in a woman's decision to terminate a pregnancy.
But in the end dudes want to question ONLY her moral character.
It must be nice to share the same values of these "great" men who want to control women's reproductive rights:
Again it isnt her body it is a baby. A humanYeah but if a man chooses to get a vasectomy, does that make him a bad person...?
For some reason guys choose to overlook the character of the dude who knocked her up ...
Guys choose to overlook each circumstance for the pregnancy and IMMEDIATELY question the womans' moral character...
Guys choose to put all the responsibility SOLELY on the woman because she makes the final decision what to do with her own body...
- Rape.
- Incest.
- Poverty.
- Birth Defects.
Many of these thing often play a role in a woman's decision to terminate a pregnancy.
But in the end dudes want to question ONLY her moral character.
It must be nice to share the same values of these "great" men who want to control women's reproductive rights:
Yeah but if a man chooses to get a vasectomy, does that make him a bad person...?
For some reason guys choose to overlook the character of the dude who knocked her up ...
Guys choose to overlook each circumstance for the pregnancy and IMMEDIATELY question the womans' moral character...
Guys choose to put all the responsibility SOLELY on the woman because she makes the final decision what to do with her own body...
- Rape.
- Incest.
- Poverty.
- Birth Defects.
Many of these thing often play a role in a woman's decision to terminate a pregnancy.
But in the end dudes want to question ONLY her moral character.
It must be nice to share the same values of these "great" men who want to control women's reproductive rights:
A baby is not a woman's body. It is in her body. It is it's own body, toes, eyes, feet heart, brain.I can't make that call. Personally I don't condone abortion, but I condone even less people trying to mandate what a woman's does with her own body. For all the religious nuts out there who feel it's their business they ought try minding their own.
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you still running from the questions
is an embryo more "alive" than a tumor?
in a fire would you save a 1000 embryos or a 6 month old child?
one more- when is this chick "alive"?
Not going to argue your point. My only point is a woman's decision to abort is between her, the father, her physician and God, nobody else; and especially not the government.
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Yeah.
But it's in HER body.
Now unless you've developed a means of painlessly extracting the fetus from her body and safely bringing it to term, and until you personally are willing to step up and take possession of that embryo, zygote or child (however you choose to label it), I'd suggest you keep you judgement of the character of that woman (or girl) to yourself...
Because to me an abortion is a matter between the mother, the father and the state. (Religious beliefs not with standing).
If it's not my child, I have absolutely no right to judge her character or her motives...
I dont need the bible to know abortion is wrong. It isnt my responsibilty to take care of every abortion i impune no more then it is your responsibilty to donate money to every victim of child molestation when you hate sex offenders. That is just dumb. Its murder.Yeah.
But it's in HER body.
Now unless you've developed a means of painlessly extracting the fetus from her body and safely bringing it to term, and until you personally are willing to step up and take possession of that embryo, zygote or child (however you choose to label it), I'd suggest you keep you judgement of the character of that woman (or girl) to yourself...
Because to me an abortion is a matter between the mother, the father and the state. (Religious beliefs not with standing).
If it's not my child, I have absolutely no right to judge her character or her motives...
Yeah.
But it's in HER body.
Now unless you've developed a means of painlessly extracting the fetus from her body and safely bringing it to term, and until you personally are willing to step up and take possession of that embryo, zygote or child (however you choose to label it), I'd suggest you keep you judgement of the character of that woman (or girl) to yourself...
Because to me an abortion is a matter between the mother, the father and the state. (Religious beliefs not with standing).
If it's not my child, I have absolutely no right to judge her character or her motives...
And what you mean by you have no right? You mean you dont have a constitutional right? Or do you mean it would be wrong for you to judge her?
So ita wrong for you to judge her for killing her baby but it aint wrong for her killing her baby?
Lets not speak in cliche now say what you mean mean what you say
how can you ask these questions when you can't decide if an embryo is like a tumor?
or if in a fire you'll save 1000 embryos or a child?
But it is inside a woman's body, using her resources and changing the shape of her body. If she doesn't want that to continue, it's her choice to stop it. You disagree, we understand, but that's what choice is about. Her choice, not yours.
I see.
You want me to "say what I mean"...?
Very well...
Bottomline:
You clearly have some sort of unspoken need to judge, condemn & punish women who've had an abortion.
Where as I do not...
So we'll just have to agree to disagree.
This discussion will never be settled on BGOL.
Yeah but if a man chooses to get a vasectomy, does that make him a bad person...?
For some reason guys choose to overlook the character of the dude who knocked her up ...
Guys choose to overlook each circumstance for the pregnancy and IMMEDIATELY question the womans' moral character...
Guys choose to put all the responsibility SOLELY on the woman because she makes the final decision what to do with her own body...
- Rape.
- Incest.
- Poverty.
- Birth Defects.
Many of these thing often play a role in a woman's decision to terminate a pregnancy.
But in the end dudes want to question ONLY her moral character.
It must be nice to share the same values of these "great" men who want to control women's reproductive rights:
She gets questioned because she's the decision maker.
I don't understand the vasectomy comparison
Rape, incest, birth defects or other health concerns are in the extreme and arguing to the extreme is logical fallacy. Also most pro lifers are fine with reasonable exceptions.
Financial strain and simple life inconvenience are the reasons most women have abortions , that is why character is questioned.
On side note. If poverty and inconvenience is the litmus test for relieving one's parental obligations. Then poor men shouldn't have to pay child support.
He don't understand
White science
Post european you can tell by then holding euro pean guns and usa army gear. So again pre....euro pean colonialism
No i do. Just dont subscribe to eurocentric ideology
Her choice and the doctor that she hires for the hit. The child didnt ask to me conceived and would not ask to be murdered. Part of being a parent is becoming "selfless" you have to live for your child now. With the attitude "that child is using MY*....." THATS selfish.
The concious bares witness abortion is wrong. Thats why people argue so hard saying it is ok cuz it eat at their concious.
Aye man...do you..
She gets questioned because she's the decision maker.
I don't understand the vasectomy comparison
Rape, incest, birth defects or other health concerns are in the extreme and arguing to the extreme is logical fallacy. Also most pro lifers are fine with reasonable exceptions.
Financial strain and simple life inconvenience are the reasons most women have abortions , that is why character is questioned.
On side note. If poverty and inconvenience is the litmus test for relieving one's parental obligations. Then poor men shouldn't have to pay child support.
I see.
Yet another dude who wants to judge, condemn & punish women who've had an abortion.
Well, to each his own, I suppose.
And if you didn't get my vasectomy comparison, I damn sure don't get your "poor men shouldn't have to pay child support" argument...
Interesting point though.
- Condemns women for abortions.
- But advocates for men to be deadbeat dads...
I see.
Yet another dude who wants to judge, condemn & punish women who've had an abortion.
Well, to each his own, I suppose.
And if you didn't get my vasectomy comparison, I damn sure don't get your "poor men shouldn't have to pay child support" argument...
Interesting point though.
- Condemns women for abortions.
- But advocates for men to be deadbeat dads...
I see.
Yet another dude who wants to judge, condemn & punish women who've had an abortion.
Well, to each his own, I suppose.
And if you didn't get my vasectomy comparison, I damn sure don't get your "poor men shouldn't have to pay child support" argument...
Interesting point though.
- Condemns women for abortions.
- But advocates for men to be deadbeat dads...
We shame, judge and condemn men who create kids they don't want to take care of all the time lol
It's the females choice/decision. The shitty part is when they use it for birth control, if you know what I mean.
Not even REMOTELY the same thing.
Choosing to terminate a pregnancy is not the same thing as consciously choosing to neglect or abuse a child that's already here.
(I don't understand how you could even make that comparison...)
But I guess I shouldn't be surprised, seeing as how you already believe fathers who're poor shouldn't pay child support...
Sounds like some of that sick MGTOW "logic"...
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the embryo/fetus is inside the woman and taxing her resources. Name one resource it gets on its own and not directly or indirectly through use of the mother's body (once it's viable and born it can at least get oxygen on its own). It is the woman's choice what to do with her body. The fetus doesn't get a choice because it isn't viable and therefore not an actual living person yet. Once its viable, the law says that it can't be aborted. That's the way it should be. A developing fetus that can only continue development inside the womb and taxing a woman's body/resources has not rights to do so if the woman doesn't want it to be doing so. Your opinion is just that, your opinion and you're welcome to it. I have a different opinion and thankfully the law is on my side. Is it selfish; maybe, but guess what.... selfishness is absolutely and perfectly legal. Show me the law that says you aren't allowed to be selfish...
Like I said before, it's an ugly decision to have to make, but it is HER right to make it. You have no say thankfully. You can keep arguing your point, but it matters not. It's not your body; it's not your choice. We all have the right to be selfish with our own bodies. I'm damn sure selfish with mine. If there ever comes a time when I may have to choose to save somebody by jumping in front of a bullet or putting myself between someone and a speeding car, it's a decision I'll make, because it's my body. There is no law stating that I have to take that bullet.
Like I said before, it's an ugly decision to have to make, but it is HER right to make it. You have no say thankfully. You can keep arguing your point, but it matters not. It's not your body; it's not your choice. We all have the right to be selfish with our own bodies. I'm damn sure selfish with mine. If there ever comes a time when I may have to choose to save somebody by jumping in front of a bullet or putting myself between someone and a speeding car, it's a decision I'll make, because it's my body. There is no law stating that I have to take that bullet.
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