Abortion topic: does choosing to terminate a pregnancy say anything about a woman moral character

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Yup but dont mean you supposed to make it more unfair then what it is or seek justice.

Woe is me attitude - let me kill someone else cuz life delt me a bad hand.

Suck it up

I think its deeper than that.. many people are caught up in the cycle of being poor/in poverty...

and cant afford the resources it takes to successfully raise a child.. sure their are some children who do make it out of poverty... but percentage wise we are talkin less than ten percent...

you could just look at all of our children in foster care to see living proof of this..

and if you know the horrors of what some of those in foster care go through and how many of them end up taken advantage of by the same people who are supposed to protect them..

the franklyn conspiracy is not even the tip of the iceberg of what many in the foster care system go through..

truly understanding this may help

you understand that having an abortion

may have been the kinder and gentler option in

a lot of these situations...

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

I think its deeper than that.. many people are caught up in the cycle of being poor/in poverty...

and cant afford the resources it takes to successfully raise a child.. sure their are some children who do make it out of poverty... but percentage wise we are talkin less than ten percent...

you could just look at all of our children in foster care to see living proof of this..

and if you know the horrors of what some of those in foster care go through and how many of them end up taken advantage of by the same people who are supposed to protect them..

the franklyn conspiracy is not even the tip of the iceberg of what many in the foster care system go through..

truly understanding this may help

you understand that having an abortion

may have been the kinder and gentler option in

a lot of these situations...

Stop reading after this.....who?

 

[ViCiouS]

I dont like to play the if game cuz if isnt real. Only time i like playing if is if the probability of that event happening is more than 0.01%

Why wonder if... if, if - aint changing the future. What if i was born a cracker....what if i could jump stop the sun from shining....thats not the law of attraction. Back to subject though.

I know what fair by if a victim is deprived of their life for the selfishness of someone else, well in this case at least

what if on the night you were conceived homeboy came on your mothers face or she swallowed instead?

as I said before if you feel so strongly the change begins with you
so just stop masterbating - until then you keep wasting so many potential lives

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

what if on the night you were conceived homeboy came on your mothers face or she swallowed instead?

as I said before if you feel so strongly the change begins with you
so just stop masterbating - until then you keep wasting so many potential lives

What if your mother bra size wasnt big pun? What if your mom booty didnt giggle?

Masterbating is not murder

 

[ViCiouS]

If a zygote / embryo can develop into a cancerous tumor - what does it really mean to be pro life?

A Tumor, the Embryo's Evil Twin
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/science/a-tumor-the-embryos-evil-twin.html
How a Tumor Is Like an Embryo
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/409004/how-a-tumor-is-like-an-embryo/

Is having a biopsy also murder?

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

Just watch 3:30-4:40 for the time contrained viewers

 

[ViCiouS]

What if your mother bra size wasnt big pun? What if your mom booty didnt giggle?

Masterbating is not murder

hypocrite- how can you defend self abuse?
clearly you encourage the MURDER of millions of cells multiple times per day

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

If a zygote / embryo can develop into a cancerous tumor - what does it really mean to be pro life?

A Tumor, the Embryo's Evil Twin
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/science/a-tumor-the-embryos-evil-twin.html
How a Tumor Is Like an Embryo
https://www.technologyreview.com/s/409004/how-a-tumor-is-like-an-embryo/

Is having a biopsy also murder?

Do you believe a baby in a womans womb is a parasite?


Parasite: an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/parasite

Lets get down to the meat and potatoes of this discussion

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

hypocrite- how can you defend self abuse?
clearly you encourage the MURDER of millions of cells multiple times per day

Sure you can say that. I murder cells, not humans that have their own brain, heart, soul, concious....

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

Stop reading after this.....who?

 

[ViCiouS]

Do you believe a baby in a womans womb is a parasite?


Parasite: an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/parasite

Lets get down to the meat and potatoes of this discussion

doesn't matter what I believe... as I posted before in this thread ALL forms of life are parasitic to some extent

so again how can you say an early term abortion is murder but you have no issue with the removal of tumors?

 

[ViCiouS]

Sure you can say that. I murder cells, not humans that have their own brain, heart, soul, concious....

when does consciousness begin? if you say from conception then how do we know that tumors aren't conscious?

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

when does consciousness begin? if you say from conception then how do we know that tumors aren't conscious?

doesn't matter what I believe... as I posted before in this thread ALL forms of life are parasitic to some extent

so again how can you say an early term abortion is murder but you have no issue with the removal of tumors?

And there we have it.....so you could kill anybody because hey.....just a parasite.

 

[ViCiouS]

And there we have it.....so you could kill anybody because hey.....just a parasite.

never said that nor is that statement logical
but hey, everything dies - no avoiding that

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

never said that nor is that statement logical
but hey, everything dies - no avoiding that

You didnt say it.....but thoughts speak not just with words

 

[ViCiouS]

You didnt say it.....but thoughts speak not just with words

so you are right to life AND a telepath?

 

[crossovernegro]

it's called pro choice because it's about a person's choice to do what they want with their body. Pregnancy is a medical condition. If a woman get pregnant, she should have the right to decide whether or not to keep her body in that condition. I think it's pretty much the only medical condition that as a country we (or some of us) want to give the government control over instead of the adult or emancipated individual. The fetus is inside the woman, but that doesn't give the fetus rights over the woman's body and that doesn't give the government rights over the woman's body.
I can absolutely see how people can disagree with me on this, and although I am pro choice, I think it's an awful choice to have to make, and I'm glad I've never had to be part of making it. ....but it's as simple as that for me. A person's body, a medical condition, their choice.

Why is then arguement for or against abortion called "pro life v.s pro choice"

As opposed to "pro life v.s pro death"

Both are choices so why does murdering get the pro choice stigma.

 

[Flawless]

Children are the reason why most poor people stay poor. Abortion can be a very smart decision.

 

[Darrkman]

And if they dont..............

So you have to adopt children to be against murder?


Guess you have to vote to complain to huh

Hahahahaha. Dudes in here trying to defend talking the talk but not walking the walk.

Bunch of wanna be hotep.

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

Hahahahaha. Dudes in here trying to defend talking the talk but not walking the walk.

Bunch of wanna be hotep.

Point still stands hasnt been disputed

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

it's called pro choice because it's about a person's choice to do what they want with their body. Pregnancy is a medical condition. If a woman get pregnant, she should have the right to decide whether or not to keep her body in that condition. I think it's pretty much the only medical condition that as a country we (or some of us) want to give the government control over instead of the adult or emancipated individual. The fetus is inside the woman, but that doesn't give the fetus rights over the woman's body and that doesn't give the government rights over the woman's body.
I can absolutely see how people can disagree with me on this, and although I am pro choice, I think it's an awful choice to have to make, and I'm glad I've never had to be part of making it. ....but it's as simple as that for me. A person's body, a medical condition, their choice.

And if a person choose to go through and have a child that still is a *choice*

So why isn't it pro life v s pro death

 

[crossovernegro]

Because choice means you can choose to do either. The anti choice side wants there to be no choice..get pregnant, have the kid. So why isn't it pro forced birth vs pro death? I think a woman has the right to do with her body what she pleases even if it means aborting.
I'm cool with whatever you want to call it. If you want pro death, cool with me. ...but it's choice because one side gives women the choice and the other side wants to take away that choice. Do pro choice people want to make carrying a child to term a crime? Nope. Do pro life people want to make it a crime to abort? Yup.

And if a person choose to go through and have a child that still is a *choice*

So why isn't it pro life v s pro death

 

[Mrfreddygoodbud]

is it ok for a vegetarian to eat pasta? bread? eggs?

vegetarian yes

vegan no

but I get yo point..

 

[ViCiouS]

And if a person choose to go through and have a child that still is a *choice*

So why isn't it pro life v s pro death

because of a simple question: is a zygote or embryo more "alive" than a tumor?

if the answer is no- then removing one can not mean death
if the answer is yes then you should start protesting oncology departments too -
yell "murderer" at cancer patients and staff as they come and go
keep that same energy

 

[SamSneed]

Whose troll account is this?

6 pages tho?

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

because of a simple question: is a zygote or embryo more "alive" than a tumor?

if the answer is no- then removing one can not mean death
if the answer is yes then you should start protesting oncology departments too -
yell "murderer" at cancer patients and staff as they come and go
keep that same energy

Dont know what a zygote is dont care

 

[ViCiouS]

Dont know what a zygote is dont care

you knew what one was earlier in thread
if your memory is that poor- abortion should't be a problem for you

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

you knew what one was earlier in thread
if your memory is that poor- abortion should't be a problem for you

No i didnt

 

[ViCiouS]

No i didnt

 

[ViCiouS]

Dont know what a zygote is dont care

Does it make more sense to save one child from a burning building or a vial of 1,000 embryos?
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/sc...d-you-save-1000-embryos-or-one-child-in-fire/

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

In a room on fire... would you save 1,000 embryos or a 6 month old child?

Depends

 

[ViCiouS]

Depends

you mean you need adult diapers right?

 

[Sir_Fuzzy_McWaffle_Feet]

you mean you need adult diapers right?

They hold moisture well

 

[mark115]

Ummm,
What about the dudes character?
She didn't make that child alone...
I'm just saying...

The context of the question was the choice to terminate, that is the woman's choice alone