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Usually, on here, it's the dudes that complain about marriage and the lack of benefits. This is a long article but an interesting one. I highlighted to make it as CP friendly as possible.

Is she right? Is she just bitter because of her divorce? Is marriage really outdated for Americans?


http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200907/divorce


The author is ending her marriage. Isn’t it time you did the same?

by Sandra Tsing Loh
Let’s Call the Whole Thing Off

Image: Kim Rosen

Sadly, and to my horror, I am divorcing. This was a 20-year partnership. My husband is a good man, though he did travel 20 weeks a year for work. I am a 47-year-old woman whose commitment to monogamy, at the very end, came unglued. This turn of events was a surprise. I don’t generally even enjoy men; I had an entirely manageable life and planned to go to my grave taking with me, as I do most nights to my bed, a glass of merlot and a good book. Cataclysmically changed, I disclosed everything. We cried, we rent our hair, we bewailed the fate of our children. And yet at the end of the day—literally during a five o’clock counseling appointment, as the golden late-afternoon sunlight spilled over the wall of Balinese masks—when given the final choice by our longtime family therapist, who stands in as our shaman, mother, or priest, I realized … no. Heart-shattering as this moment was—a gravestone sunk down on two decades of history—I would not be able to replace the romantic memory of my fellow transgressor with the more suitable image of my husband, which is what it would take in modern-therapy terms to knit our family’s domestic construct back together. In women’s-magazine parlance, I did not have the strength to “work on” falling in love again in my marriage. And as Laura Kipnis railed in Against Love, and as everyone knows, Good relationships take work.

Which is not to say I’m against work. Indeed, what also came out that afternoon were the many tasks I—like so many other working/co-parenting/married mothers—have been doing for so many years and tearfully declared I would continue doing. I can pick up our girls from school every day; I can feed them dinner and kiss their noses and tell them stories; I can take them to their doctor and dentist appointments; I can earn my half—sometimes more—of the money; I can pay the bills; I can refinance the house at the best possible interest rate; I can drive my husband to the airport; in his absence, I can sort his mail; I can be home to let the plumber in on Thursday between nine and three, and I can wait for the cable guy; I can make dinner conversation with any family member; I can ask friendly questions about anybody’s day; I can administer hugs as needed to children, adults, dogs, cats; I can empty the litter box; I can stir wet food into dry.

Which is to say I can work at a career and child care and joint homeownership and even platonic male-female friendship. However, in this cluttered forest of my 40s, what I cannot authentically reconjure is the ancient dream of brides, even with the Oprah fluffery of weekly “date nights,” when gauzy candlelight obscures the messy house, child talk is nixed and silky lingerie donned, so the two of you can look into each other’s eyes and feel that “spark” again. Do you see? Given my staggering working mother’s to-do list, I cannot take on yet another arduous home- and self-improvement project, that of rekindling our romance. Sobered by this failure as a mother—which is to say, my failure as a wife—I’ve since begun a journey of reading, thinking, and listening to what’s going on in other 21st-century American families. And along the way, I’ve begun to wonder, what with all the abject and swallowed misery: Why do we still insist on marriage? Sure, it made sense to agrarian families before 1900, when to farm the land, one needed two spouses, grandparents, and a raft of children. But now that we have white-collar work and washing machines, and our life expectancy has shot from 47 to 77, isn’t the idea of lifelong marriage obsolete?


I sense you picking up the first stone to hurl, even if you yourself may be twice or even three times divorced. Such a contradiction turns out to be uniquely American. Just because marriage didn’t work for us doesn’t mean we don’t believe in the institution. Just because our own marital track records are mixed doesn’t mean our hearts don’t lift at the sight of our daughters’ Tiffany-blue wedding invitations. After all, we can easily arrange to sit far from our exes, across the flower-bedecked aisle, so as not to roil the festive day. Just because we know that nearly half of U.S. marriages end in divorce—including perhaps even those of our own parents (my dearest childhood wish was not just that my parents would divorce, but also that my raging father would burst into flames)—doesn’t mean we aren’t confident ours is the one that will beat the odds. At least that is the attitudinal yin/yang described by Andrew J. Cherlin in his scrupulously argued Marriage-Go-Round: compared with our western European counterparts, Americans are far more credulous about marriage. In World Values Surveys taken at the turn of the millennium, fewer Americans agreed with the statement “Marriage is an outdated institution” than citizens of any other Western country surveyed (compare the U.S.’s tiny 10 percent with France’s 36 percent). We are also more religious—more Americans (60 percent) say they attend religious services once a month than do the Vatican-centric Italians (54 percent) or, no surprise, the laissez-faire French (12 percent). At the same time, Americans endure the highest divorce rate in the Western world. In short, although we say we love religion and marriage, Cherlin notes, “religious Americans are more likely to divorce than secular Swedes.”

Cherlin believes the reason for this paradox is that Americans hold two values at once: a culture of marriage and a culture of individualism. Or is it an American spirit of optimism wedded, if you will, to a Tocquevillian spirit of restlessness that inspires three out of four Americans to say they believe marriage is for life, while only one in four agreed with the notion that even if a marriage is unhappy, one should stay put for the sake of the children. If America is a “divorce culture,” it may be partly because we are a “marriage culture,” since we both divorce and marry (a projected 90 percent of us) at some of the highest rates anywhere on the globe. Hence Cherlin’s cautionary advice consists of two words—“Slow down”—his chief worry about our frenetic marriage-go-round being its negative impact on our children. In fact, while having two biological parents at home is, the statistics tell us, best for children, a single-parent household is almost as good. The harm comes, Cherlin argues, from parents continually coupling with new partners, so that the children are forced to bond, or compete for attention, with ever-new actors. These are the youngsters who are likely to suffer, according to a measurable matrix of factors such as truancy, disobedience in school, and teen pregnancy. Instead of preaching marriage, Cherlin says, we should preach domestic stability for children. Is marriage the best way to ensure this? Apparently not, at least not the way we do it in America.

Rachel is one of the women I regularly dine with, now that I have a divorced person’s oddly relaxed—oddly civilized, even horribly French?—joint-custody schedule. It has been almost 10 years since I dined with adults on a weekly basis. My domestic evenings have typically revolved around five o’clock mac and cheese under bright lighting and then a slow melt into dishes and SpongeBob … because yet another of my marital failings was that I was never able to commit to a nanny. Even though my husband and I both drew full-time incomes, I, as a writer, worked at home and hence was ambivalent, because if I had daily in-house help, what was my role as a mother? Would I be emotionally displaced? Also, I secretly worried that using domestic help was exploitative—recall Barbara Ehrenreich’s dictum that she’d never let another woman scrub her toilets. Yea, these are the various postfeminist hurdles that stretched before me at 2:00 a.m. as I lay awake in our bed, contorted not just by cats but by two children kicking me from both sides—Exhibit A of lazy, undisciplined attachment parenting.

Imagine driving with me now to Rachel’s house for our new 40-something social hobby—the Girls’ Night dinner. Leap not from my car, even though I realize—given my confessed extramarital affair, avowed childhood desire to see my father explode into flames, and carpet of tattered Happy Meal wrappers—I may not strike you as the most reliable explicator of modern marriage. Still, we forge on, and what I’d like to do now is recant for a moment and not be quite so hard on marriage, which I think is a very good fit for some people. It certainly has been for Judith S. Wallerstein (married more than 48 years, as the jacket flap indicates), co-author with Sandra Blakeslee of the 1995 book The Good Marriage: How and Why Love Lasts. Through close observation of 50 happily married couples, the authors identified four templates for lasting nuptial success. The Romantic Marriage thrives on the spark of love that never dies. (Think of those affectionate 80-somethings in convalescent homes, still holding hands.) The Rescue Marriage features partners who fit each other like lost puzzle pieces, healing each other from mutual childhood traumas. (And then there are those shrieky co-dependent pairs: think of fiercely attached couples whose commitment is cemented by a commitment to unwholesome habits. Said a friend of his 70-something WASP parents, who sally off to their frequent cruises with huge Lavoris bottles filled with gin: “What they share is an enthusiasm for drinking.”) The Traditional Marriage succeeds because the man works while the woman runs the home, a clear and valuable division of labor.

Today, the most common type of marriage is the Companionate Marriage, in which husband and wife each have a career, and they co-parent and co-housekeep according to gender-free norms they negotiate. Three decades ago, in their 1972 runaway best seller, Open Marriage, Nena and George O’Neill suggested that such a modern arrangement might even include sexual freedom. But as we all know, the Sexually Open Marriage fizzled with the lava lamp, because it is just downright icky for most people. How, then, has marriage evolved? In what sorts of partnerships do we find ourselves in the 21st century? Enter with me, finally, the home of my friend Rachel. (To appease the diligent Atlantic fact checkers, I must now pause to announce that I’ve carefully disguised some of the individuals whose lives we’re about to dissect.) Picture a stunning two-story Craftsman—exposed wood, Batchelder tile fireplace, caramel-warm beams, Tiffany lamps on Mission tables—nestled in the historic enclave in Pasadena dubbed Bungalow Heaven. Rachel, 49, an environmental lawyer, is married to Ian, 48, a documentary-film editor. They have two sons, 9 and 11, whom Ian—in every way the model dad—has whisked off this evening to junior soccer camp (or drum lessons or similar; the boys’ impressive whirl of activities is hard to keep track of). Rachel is cooking dinner for three of us: Ellen (a writer, married with children), Renata (violinist, single, lithe, and prowling at 45), and me. Rachel is, more accurately, reheating dinner; the dish is something wonderfully subtle yet complex, like a saffron-infused porcini risotto, that Ian made over the weekend and froze for us, in Tupperware neatly labeled with a Sharpie, because this is the sort of thoughtful thing he does. Ian subscribes to Cook’s Illustrated online and a bevy of other technically advanced gourmet publications—he’s always perfecting some polenta or bouillabaisse. If someone requests a cheeseburger, he will fire back with an über-cheeseburger, a fluffy creation of marbled Angus beef, Stilton, and homemade ketchup. Picture him in bike shorts (he’s a cyclist), hovering over a mandala of pots that are always simmering, quietly simmering. To Ian’s culinary adventurousness, Rachel attributes the boys’ sophisticated taste buds—they eagerly eat everything: curry, paella, seaweed, soba noodles. My own girls are strictly mac-and-cheese-centric (but I’ve been told in therapy not to keep beating myself up over the small things).

Since her own home fires seemed to roar so warmly, I was hesitant to hit Rachel with news of my breakup, and it is true that her first reaction was a degree of disbelief and horror even more pronounced than everyone else’s in our village of longtime marrieds. “But what about the children?” she wailed. I explained that since their parents had been in parallel motion since they were born, the girls appeared—on the surface at least—to be unfazed. On top of my musician husband’s roadwork, some years I’d logged 200 shows as a theater performer, carrying my babies in buckets to hotel rooms. In addition, when my girls’ cousins—at ages 6, 5, and 2—suddenly lost their mother, through illness, we had done an emergency move-in with my brother for two years (while my husband remained on the road), so my girls were more used to sitting down to dinner with an extended family tribe than with one father and one mother. Now elementary age, my children seem relatively content as long as they remain in their own house, their own beds, and their own school, with Mom and Dad coming and going as usual (and when Dad’s in the house, I pick them up from school every day so they always see me). Their most ardent daily fixations continue to be amassing more Pokémon cards and getting a dog named Noodles to add to their menagerie of five fish and two cats, Midnite and Cuteface.

But it is now our second Girls’ Night dinner since my horrifying announcement, and Rachel has eschewed Ian’s customary wine-club Bordeaux and is mixing some alarmingly strong martinis.

Leaning forward heavily across the bar, she swirls her glass and huskily drops the bomb: “I have to tell you—since we talked, I too have started thinking divorce.” “No!” we girls exclaim. With a stab of nausea, I suddenly feel as though now that I’ve touched my pool of friends with my black pen, a cloud of ink is enveloping them.

“You can’t!” Renata cries. “Ian—he’s the perfect father! The perfect husband! Look at this … kitchen!”

It’s true: the kitchen is a prime example of Ian’s contribution to their union. He based the design of the remodel on an old farmhouse kitchen they saw during their trip to Tuscany, and of course—carpentry being another of his hobbies—he did all the details himself, including building the shelves. One of the room’s marvels is how ingeniously and snugly all the specialty kitchenware is housed—the hanging copper pots, the garlic press, the mandolin, the lemon zester, the French press coffeemaker …

“Ian won’t have sex with me,” Rachel says flatly. “He has not touched my body in two years. He says it’s because I’ve gained weight.” Again, we stoutly protest, but she goes on. “And he thinks I’m a bad mother—he says I’m sloppy and inattentive.”

The list of violations unfurls. Last week, Rachel mistakenly gave the wrong medication to the dog, a mistake Ian would never make. She also forgot to deglaze the saucepan and missed the window to book the family’s Seattle flights on Expedia, whose chiming bargains Ian meticulously tracks.

Rachel sees herself as a failed mother, and is depressed and chronically overworked at her $120,000-a-year job (which she must cling to for the benefits because Ian freelances). At night, horny and sleepless, she paces the exquisite kitchen, gobbling mini Dove bars. The main breadwinner, Rachel is really the Traditional Dad, but instead of being handed her pipe and slippers at six, she appears to be marooned in a sexless remodeling project with a passive-aggressive Competitive Wife.

Rachel had even asked Ian point-blank: “Do you want a divorce?” And Ian said absolutely not—they must show discipline and work at the marriage (again with the work!), since any domestic upset could negatively affect the boys, who were now facing a particularly fraught time at their new school, where they have an extraordinarily challenging roster of extracurricular activities and a quarterly testing schedule.

“You know, it’s funny,” says Ellen, after a moment of gloom. (Passing note: Ellen has been married for 18 years, and she also, famously, never has sex. There were the hot 20s with Ron and the making-the-babies 30s, and in the 40s there is … nothing. Ellen had originally picked Ron because she was tired of all the bad boys, and Ron was settle-down husband material. What she didn’t know was that after the age of 38, thanks to Mr. Very Settled-Down, she was never going to have regular sex with a man again.)

“When marriage was invented,” Ellen continues, “it was considered to be a kind of trade union for a woman, her protection against the sexually wandering male. But what’s happened to the sexually wandering male?”

In our parents’ era, the guy hit 45, got the toupee, drove the red Porsche, and left his family for the young, hot secretary. We are unable to imagine any of the husbands driving anything with fewer than five seat belts.

“Ron only goes as far as the den,” Ellen says. “He has his Internet porn bookmarked on the computer.”


“Ian has his Cook’s Illustrated,” Rachel adds. “And his—his men’s online fennel club.”

Of the four of us, Renata has the fastest-thrumming engine, as evidenced by her rabid in-the-moment sex-tryst texting (“omg he flyz in 2nite on red i @ 2 am!!!”). One imagines a string of men toppled behind her in ditches like crashed race cars. “My problem is, I’m a dopamine freak!” She waggles her hands in the air. “Dopamine!”

“Helen Fisher!” Ellen exclaims, pointing at her.

Fisher, a women’s cult figure and an anthropologist, has long argued that falling in love—and falling out of love—is part of our evolutionary biology and that humans are programmed not for lifelong monogamy, but for serial monogamy. (In stretches of four years, to be exact, approximately the time it takes to get one kid safely through infancy.)

Why Him? Why Her? explains the hormonal forces that trigger humans to be romantically attracted to some people and not to others (a phenomenon also documented in the animal world). Fisher posits that each of us gets dosed in the womb with different levels of hormones that impel us toward one of four basic personality types:

The Explorer—the libidinous, creative adventurer who acts “on the spur of the moment.” Operative neurochemical: dopamine.

The Builder—the much calmer person who has “traditional values.” The Builder also “would rather have loyal friends than interesting friends,” enjoys routines, and places a high priority on taking care of his or her possessions. Operative neurotransmitter: serotonin.

The Director—the “analytical and logical” thinker who enjoys a good argument. The Director wants to discover all the features of his or her new camera or computer. Operative hormone: testosterone.

The Negotiator—the touchy-feely communicator who imagines “both wonderful and horrible things happening” to him- or herself. Operative hormone: estrogen, then oxytocin.

Fisher reviewed personality data from 39,913 members of Chemistry.com. Explorers made up 26 percent of the sample, Builders 28.6 percent, Directors 16.3 percent, Negotiators 29.1 percent. While Explorers tend to be attracted to Explorers, and Builders tend to be attracted to Builders, Directors are attracted to Negotiators, and vice versa.

Exclaims Ellen, slapping the book: “This is why my marriage has been dead for 15 years. I’m an Explorer married to a Builder!” (Ron literally is a builder—like Ian, he crafts wonderful shelves and also, of course, cooks.) But what can Ellen do? Explorer-Explorer tends to be one of the most unstable combinations, whereas Fisher suspects “most of the world’s fifty-year marriages are made by Builders who marry other Builders.”

While a Rutgers study suggests that only 38 percent of married people in America describe themselves as happy, we stay married for many good reasons. Take, for instance, the otherwise unaffordability of homeownership.

Some of us stay married because we’re in competition with our divorcing 1960s and 1970s parents, who made such a hash of it. What looks appealing to us now, in an increasingly frenetic, digital world, is the 1950s marriage. Writes Karen Karbo, in Generation Ex, reminiscing about her mother’s evening routine of serving old-fashioneds to her dad by the pool:

At the turn of the millennium, our marriages and remarriages bear almost no resemblance to these single-paycheck, cocktail-hour unions. Once considered sexist and monotonous, these staid marriages are emblems of an easier time. What seemed too dull and constricting a mere fifteen years ago now looks luxurious, like those huge gas-guzzling cars with all that chrome and the tuck-and-roll seats.

Some of us stay married because along with fancy schools, tae kwan do lessons, and home-cooked organic food, the two-parent marriage is another impressive—and rare—attainment to bestow on our fragile, gifted children.

Some of us stay married because … what else is there? A lonely apartment and a hot plate?

That said, it’s clear that females are dissatisfied—more and more, divorce seems to be initiated by women. If marriage is the Old World and what lies beyond is the New World, it’s the apparently stable men (comfortable alone in their postfeminist den with their Cook’s Illustrated and their porn) who are Old Worlders, and the Girls’ Night Out, questionnaire-completing women who are the questing New Worlders. They most embody what Tocqueville described as America’s “restless temper,” or l’inquiétude du caractère. (Interestingly, according to EnlightenNext magazine, some northern European women are reportedly eschewing their progressive northern European male counterparts and dating Muslims, who are more like “real men.”)

To work, to parent, to housekeep, to be the ones who schedule “date night,” only to be reprimanded in the home by male kitchen bitches, and then, in the bedroom, to be ignored—it’s a bum deal. And then our women’s magazines exhort us to rekindle the romance. You rarely see men’s magazines exhorting men to rekindle the romance.

So, herewith, some modest proposals. Clearly, research shows that what’s best for children is domestic stability and not having to bond with, and to be left by, ever new stepparent figures. Less important is whether or not their overworked parents are logging “date night” (or feeling the magic). So why don’t we accept marriage as a splitting-the-mortgage arrangement? As Fisher suggests, rekindling the romance is, for many of us, biologically unnatural, particularly after the kids come. (Says another friend of mine, about his wife of 23 years: “My heart doesn’t lift when she walks in the room. It sinks, slightly.”) If high-revving women are sexually frustrated, let them have some sort of French arrangement where they have two men, the postfeminist model dad building shelves, cooking bouillabaise, and ignoring them in the home, and the occasional fun-loving boyfriend the kids never see. Alternately, if both spouses find life already rather exhausting, never mind chasing around for sex. Long-married husbands and wives should pleasantly agree to be friends, to set the bedroom aglow at night by the mute opening of separate laptops and just be done with it. More than anything, aside from providing insulation from the world at large, that kind of arrangement could be the perfect way to be left alone.

As far as the children are concerned, how about the tribal approach (a natural, according to both primate and human evolution)? Let children between the ages of 1 and 5 be raised in a household of mothers and their female kin. Let the men/husbands/boyfriends come in once or twice a week to build shelves, prepare that bouillabaisse, or provide sex.


Or best of all, after the breast-feeding and toddler years are through, let those nurturing superdads be the custodial parents! Let the Type A moms obsessively work, write checks, and forget to feed the dog. Let the dads then, if they wish, kick out those sloppy working mothers and run effective households, hiring the appropriate staff, if need be. To a certain extent, men today may have more clarity about what it takes to raise children in the modern age. They don’t, for instance, have today’s working mother’s ambivalence and emotional stickiness.

In any case, here’s my final piece of advice: avoid marriage—or you too may suffer the emotional pain, the humiliation, and the logistical difficulty, not to mention the expense, of breaking up a long-term union at midlife for something as demonstrably fleeting as love.
 
I'll merely say this The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance… it is the illusion of knowledge. I hope this lady enjoyed her younger year permisquity and her peer/media guided reasoning it's sad really. All thats left for her now is to fill her box to the brim with meaningless items.
 
the author Sandra Tsing Loh
http://www.sandratsingloh.com/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Tsing_Loh

Loh announced her divorce in a 2009 Atlantic Monthly essay. In describing an extramarital affair, she explained that her "commitment to monogamy . . . [had come] unglued."


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this is a great fucking article.

i take that back and i will dissect why i thought this bitch's article is dumb.

1. she downplayed her CHEATING to a single line in the article. she doesnt bash on her husband but rather blames it on the institution of marriage.

2. her friend is fucking dumb too. she fucked around in her 20's and got with Captain Save A Hoe. now Captain is "too stable" and she wants to leave the relationship. moreover, she got disgustingly fat and wonders why the Caps wont have sex with her.

3. she is a highly individualistic woman and it is a surprise her marriage lasted this long. I think she fell for the Oprah fluffery and now she realizes Oprah is a fucking idiot.
 
I'll merely say this The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance… it is the illusion of knowledge. I hope this lady enjoyed her younger year permisquity and her peer/media guided reasoning it's sad really. All thats left for her now is to fill her box to the brim with meaningless items.
WOW!!! :smh: :lol:

*B*U*M*P*
 
I will dissect why i thought this bitch's article is dumb.

A smart and very welcome move.
:yes:

1. she downplayed her CHEATING to a single line in the article. she doesnt bash on her husband but rather blames it on the institution of marriage.

Why on earth would she break years of feminist tradition and duplicity to even consider expounding further on the role that her cheating overwhelmingly played leading up to the collapse of her marriage?

And the kicker is that this trifling bitch then goes on to question the validity and necessity of marriage in todays world rather than excepting the fact that she's the one with the problem.

But then again, women have always excelled in minimizring their faults and trivializing their fuck-ups when caught in the spotlight of exposure when caught in wrongdoing.
:smh:

2. her friend is fucking dumb too. she fucked around in her 20's and got with Captain Save A Hoe. now Captain is "too stable" and she wants to leave the relationship. moreover, she got disgustingly fat and wonders why the Caps wont have sex with her.

They rarely self examine themselves or acknowledge ho their own stupidity and inability to recognize a good thing usually leaves them severely fucked in the game of fastlane love and lust.:smh:


3. she is a highly individualistic woman and it is a surprise her marriage lasted this long. I think she fell for the Oprah fluffery and now she realizes Oprah is a fucking idiot.

This qualifies as a bonafied /Thread moment. :yes::yes::yes:
 
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It's not the fall that gets you, it's the sudden stop. :lol:

Just like with marriage. It's not the marriage that's the problem, it's the DIVORCE! Which has a 50 percent chance of happening.

Why would a woman even complain about the shit? Marriage is still a win/win for them. If it breaks up after 15-20 years they are cleaning up, the man is set back 10 years.

Women forget they are a depreciating asset. A man wakes up one day in his 40's and the peak of his earning power with the kids about out of the house and is like......................


:angry: :angry: "WTF!!!!!! I want out, but a divorce will rape me!!!!!"


 
Blaming marriage is just a decoy for peoples problems to failure to commit Marriage is a none entity which means nothing blaming marriage for yur problems is like a cook blaming utensils he uses for bad food he cooked. Marriage is incompatible with the majority of people because of their values and morals .
 
my girls parents been married for 35+ plus years and just came back from a cruise.

Their "love" cant even be described as love as it is understood in today's terms.

This brawd's article is preoccupied with sex which is why she probably should not have married in the first place.

You cant turn lust into love.

That shit just doesnt happen.

This brawd reminds me of this Colombian that I used to bang and she was married....but never told me (I had to find out on my own).

That woman was pathetic and hid her entire family from me and lied about her age...just to get some black dick.

She didnt just hide her family....she actually created an entirely different life....made herself out to be single.

Before the first time that I fucked her in my car, I remember being in a restaurant with her and she was just dogging the fuck out of the idea of "marriage".

But hidden was...

Her marriage to this bigtime exec of a multinational company....she had lived in 3 different countries with this exec....

She never worked and was a house wife...she dibbled and dabbled into alcoholism

But she was never "happy"

She literally had it all...but still had nothing

After I found out that she was married....turns out that she cheated on her husband regularly.

:smh::smh::smh::smh::smh:

and she wasnt even born or rasied in the US... (so you cant pin that shit on "American" women)

and I was fucking her on a pornographic level with no holds barred :dunno:

The crazy shit is...she is probably still married...and I havent spoken to her in years...but if i were to contact her she would want some more.

This brawd reads just liker her....

some of these women.....:smh:
 
It never ceases to amaze me just how delusional people can be when they don't want to take responsibility for the choices they make, especially women. I noticed that she minimized the part about the affair that she had.:smh:
 
I agree with her in the sense that marriage, is sort of outdated in the terms we understand. HOWEVER, I find it pretty ironic that she didn't write this article until SHE CHEATED. Typical. Instead of saying she fucked up, it's the system that's fucked up. Gotta love a good rationale.

If I've learned one thing over the years it's this: When men cheat, we are the scum of the earth, we're lazy, inconsiderate, bums, and it's our fault we cheated. When women cheat, it's because we're scum of the earth, lazy inconsiderate bums and it's our fault THEY cheated.
 
I agree with her in the sense that marriage, is sort of outdated in the terms we understand. HOWEVER, I find it pretty ironic that she didn't write this article until SHE CHEATED. Typical. Instead of saying she fucked up, it's the system that's fucked up. Gotta love a good rationale.

If I've learned one thing over the years it's this: When men cheat, we are the scum of the earth, we're lazy, inconsiderate, bums, and it's our fault we cheated. When women cheat, it's because we're scum of the earth, lazy inconsiderate bums and it's our fault THEY cheated.
we must be reading 2 different articles. I did not read that anywhere in her article. Plus a lot of the things she is saying about marriage, men have been saying for years. So is your problem really with the fact that these statements are coming from a woman?
 
:dunno: real talk from where I'm sitting

I agree with her in the sense that marriage, is sort of outdated in the terms we understand. HOWEVER, I find it pretty ironic that she didn't write this article until SHE CHEATED. Typical. Instead of saying she fucked up, it's the system that's fucked up. Gotta love a good rationale.

If I've learned one thing over the years it's this: When men cheat, we are the scum of the earth, we're lazy, inconsiderate, bums, and it's our fault we cheated. When women cheat, it's because we're scum of the earth, lazy inconsiderate bums and it's our fault THEY cheated.

I have to agree with the blue.
 
we must be reading 2 different articles. I did not read that anywhere in her article. Plus a lot of the things she is saying about marriage, men have been saying for years. So is your problem really with the fact that these statements are coming from a woman?

no, I actually wasn't attributing that to her. My mistake for confusing that. I was relating that her rationalizing her cheating. Again, I don't necessarily take issue with her assertion because there's a lot I agree with. I believe marriage, like the education system in America as well as other things, are based on dated theories and reasonings. HOWEVER, like I said, I think it's crazy that she comes up with this dissertation AFTER she cheats to take blame off herself.
 
I agree with her in the sense that marriage, is sort of outdated in the terms we understand. HOWEVER, I find it pretty ironic that she didn't write this article until SHE CHEATED. Typical. Instead of saying she fucked up, it's the system that's fucked up. Gotta love a good rationale.

If I've learned one thing over the years it's this: When men cheat, we are the scum of the earth, we're lazy, inconsiderate, bums, and it's our fault we cheated. When women cheat, it's because we're scum of the earth, lazy inconsiderate bums and it's our fault THEY cheated.

She got lazy, fat and just plain didnt care about anything but herself and fuck trying to make anything work

If any woman follows this broads path, they're in for a fucked up, lonely part of the rest of their lives

This author basically has failed

Instead of admitting she failed, she offers reasons and surveys on why her failure inst as bad and horrific as it seems

She cheated on a decent man, got lazy, got fat, but it's not her fault?

I feel sorry for the husband, but again, he's now free of this sociopath and her twisted mindset
 
it's not the fall that gets you, it's the sudden stop. :lol:

Just like with marriage. It's not the marriage that's the problem, it's the divorce! Which has a 50 percent chance of happening.

Why would a woman even complain about the shit? Marriage is still a win/win for them. If it breaks up after 15-20 years they are cleaning up, the man is set back 10 years.

Women forget they are a depreciating asset. A man wakes up one day in his 40's and the peak of his earning power with the kids about out of the house and is like......................


:angry: :angry: "wtf!!!!!! I want out, but a divorce will rape me!!!!!"



exactly!!!!!
 
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