$___$___$___ Patrick Ewing vs. David Robinson ___$___$___$

Who do You think Was the Better Player?


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David Robinson

i didn't want to favor either, but in the end i picked david robinson for a couple things.

david robinson immediatley turned around the san antonio spurs while patrick ewing couldn't turn around the knicks (partially due to injury).

when they faced each other, david robinson usually came out on top.
 
Re: David Robinson

i didn't want to favor either, but in the end i picked david robinson for a couple things.

david robinson immediatley turned around the san antonio spurs while patrick ewing couldn't turn around the knicks (partially due to injury).

when they faced each other, david robinson usually came out on top.
I guarantee you history would have a different reading of that if Ewing had not been hurt in 99. It would've changed his entire legacy because they would have beat the Spurs.

Though it was a five game series, it was competitive. In the end, the Knicks were reduced to combating the "twin towers" inside with Chris Dudley and it was too huge a disparity, but Ewing would've made the difference.
 
Robinson

Great offensive and defensive center. Finished in the Top 3 of MVP voting 5 times!!! Ewing never finished higher than 4th.

Ewing had a terrific career. I give him credit for coming into the league with a rep as an ineffective offensive player (thanks to Georgetown's style), and then going on to prove everyone wrong. Averaged 20 PPG for his career, and even averaged as high as 28.6 PPG(!!) one year. Totally different (and better, if possible) player in the NBA than was expected when he came out of college.
 
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Again, Pat never had a go-to move. He had one move/shot. As for close games, he was usually not a factor. He wasnt a clutch or dependable player and was never THE go-to guy in clutch situations despite being the "franchise player". Dave did more than "outquick" opponents. He also had a consistent short jumper from the elbow on in, a dependable up and under, turn around J, jab step, putback and a few post moves to get the bucket. Lets not forget he was a force defensively and changed the outcome of games from both ends. He just brought more to a game than Pat did.

I was a semi-Spurs fan in the early mid 90s. David would catch the ball and try to do some kind of small forward move. In essence try to take some other center off the dribble. It almost always ended up as a FAIL.

As for Pat I've seen plenty of game winners with that turn-around jumper.

Yeah David is more athletic, Shit, Clyde Drexler was more athletic than Magic Johnson (yeah crazy comparison.) But my point it yeah David was more all around better, but he wasn't reliable as Pat.

Don't bring up Championships, because David wasnt smelling them until Duncan arrived.
 
I'll have to say Robinson. Because of Jordan players like Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, Clyde Drexler, Reggie Miller and Gary Payton have a valid excuse for not winning a championship in their prime. They were all competing against the greastest player ever.

Ewing had his chance but got outplayed by Olajuwan in 94.

rofl olajuwan ate Robinson alive to prevent him from seeing a finals anytime he was healthy b. He won an MVP and got owned worse than Dirk vs the Warriors.
 
David Robinson

rofl olajuwan ate Robinson alive to prevent him from seeing a finals anytime he was healthy b. He won an MVP and got owned worse than Dirk vs the Warriors.

not really.

what did you expect from the san antonio spurs when their starting lineup was:

avery johnson
vinnie del negro
sean elliot
dennis rodman
david robinson

dennis rodman was up to his usual nonsense, negating his rebounding with TOs and PFs. that was also the season dennis rodman disrupted the team chemistry and got benched in the WORSTern conference finals.

was it any surprise then, that this houston rockets squad defeated the spurs and went on to win the NBA finals?

kenny smith
clyde drexler
mario elie
robert horry
hakeem olajuwon
 
He won a lot of games with his fadeaway jumper from the block...
Whenever you start a basketball discussion praising a 7'1'' guy for fading away i have to question your knowledge of the game bro.
Was not better offensively and was not a MUCH better defender. I give you rebounding but I watched Ewing take over many games for the Knicks. I only saw Robinson take over one game (ironically it was the gold medal game for the dream team). He was not clutch and had the Dr. J syndrome in that he couldn't win the title as the first option although he was a great star.
Once again im left to wonder if my fellow BGOL brethren really know the game. He was better offensively and MUCH better defensively. The guy was a defensive first team staple, defensive MVP, oh, AND he won a scoring title. Its funny that this is even a discussion. I dont think anyone who actually follows this game and is willing to discuss this from a nuetral perspective can say Ewing was the better player. Its almost laughable.

You guys also dont appreciate how Dave singlehandedly rescued a franchise from obscurity and made them a perrenial 50win team while being surrounded by shit most of his career. Why you think the ninja back went out at such a young age?? Fool was doing it all for that team.
 
Whenever you start a basketball discussion praising a 7'1'' guy for fading away i have to question your knowledge of the game bro.

Once again im left to wonder if my fellow BGOL brethren really know the game. He was better offensively and MUCH better defensively. The guy was a defensive first team staple, defensive MVP, oh, AND he won a scoring title. Its funny that this is even a discussion. I dont think anyone who actually follows this game and is willing to discuss this from a nuetral perspective can say Ewing was the better player. Its almost laughable.

You guys also dont appreciate how Dave singlehandedly rescued a franchise from obscurity and made them a perrenial 50win team while being surrounded by shit most of his career. Why you think the ninja back went out at such a young age?? Fool was doing it all for that team.

This bretheren played college basketball and has been a coach for over 17 years. I hope I know a little about the game. Robinson's scoring title was gained in the run and gun West with a 71 point performance on the last day when it was obvious he was doing nothing but trying to win the scoring race. I thought of him on the block having to score against a top notch defender. I feel the Ewing got his shot easier and more frequently than Robinson. As for defense, Patrick's shot blocking and post d were part of the Knicks' grinding style where the Anthony Bonners of the world would push and grab and hold a guy before he could get to Ewing. I really don't think there is a lot of difference between the two other than what Hakeem, Charles and Shaq did to Robinson in playoff series when the money was on the line.
 
What game you'll niggas watching? Look at the stats, Ewing 1 time all NBA first team, Admiral 4 time. MVPS Admiral 1, Pat 0. Pat played in New york and was on tv all the time so we saw more of his body of work. There was no NBA league pass then. Let's remember the Admiral once had a quadruple-double. I agree he did not win until Timmy came along but Ewing did not win at all.
 
Whenever you start a basketball discussion praising a 7'1'' guy for fading away i have to question your knowledge of the game bro.

Why? In an era where most GUARDS don't have a consistent jumper, Ewing took the ball to the rack AND could shoot from the outside. I don't know why you think that a big man that fades away is a bad thing. It's not like he avoided contact. He was a big man with a consistent jumper. Hakeem had one that was similar, does that make him soft? As a matter of fact Dave is the one with the soft label.

Once again im left to wonder if my fellow BGOL brethren really know the game. He was better offensively and MUCH better defensively. The guy was a defensive first team staple, defensive MVP, oh, AND he won a scoring title. Its funny that this is even a discussion. I dont think anyone who actually follows this game and is willing to discuss this from a nuetral perspective can say Ewing was the better player. Its almost laughable.

Didn't say he wasn't all that, I said that when the game was on the line I would rather have a player with a dependable go to move than one that didn't. It's why I would pick Tim Duncan over KG in the same situation. Tim had dependable go to moves, KG doesn't.

You guys also dont appreciate how Dave singlehandedly rescued a franchise from obscurity and made them a perrenial 50win team while being surrounded by shit most of his career. Why you think the ninja back went out at such a young age?? Fool was doing it all for that team.

And Pat turned around a franchise and played through injury himself...more than Dave did.
 
David Robinson better rebounder, better shot blocker, better passer, and on the ball defender than Ewing. Ewings post moves were marginally better. Overall gotta go with Robinson.
 
This bretheren played college basketball and has been a coach for over 17 years. I hope I know a little about the game. Robinson's scoring title was gained in the run and gun West with a 71 point performance on the last day when it was obvious he was doing nothing but trying to win the scoring race. I thought of him on the block having to score against a top notch defender. I feel the Ewing got his shot easier and more frequently than Robinson. As for defense, Patrick's shot blocking and post d were part of the Knicks' grinding style where the Anthony Bonners of the world would push and grab and hold a guy before he could get to Ewing. I really don't think there is a lot of difference between the two other than what Hakeem, Charles and Shaq did to Robinson in playoff series when the money was on the line.
Well apparently you were too busy coaching and playing to actually watch them in the NBA. Regardless of how Robinson got the scoring title, the fact is he got it. Your excuse about it being a run and gun west is complete nonsense and only serves to discredit your knowledge of the game. Also, he needed 71points to beat out Shaq that year (who played in the East mind you) not Ewing. The fact is Dave was simply better on offense, better on defense and was a FAR more decorated performer than Ewing ever was. Add to that that Dave was largely surrounded by shit most of his career and the proof becomes even more clearer.

And please dont even attempt to make an argumenton defensive prowess. Its really no comparison. Pat stopped playing defense the minute he left G'town and Big John Thompson. (And dont confuse a 7'1 orangatang blocking shots on help defense and off the ball as playing actual defense.)

As for the playoff argument; that has nothing to do with one player vs. the other. Hakeem owned EVEYONE for a two/three span. He was all out unstoppable and Dave nor anyone else would have prevented his run. Charles had a better supporting cast and the only time he really gave Dave the business was when he pulled him out near the perimeter and shot a game winner over him one playyoff game. Ask yourself, why the fuck was Dave forced to guard a 6'4 forward playing that far away from the basket anyway??? He had nobody else on his team to do it. You're making my argument for me. As for Shaq, Dave got him in the playoffs as much as he got Dave. Not to mention by time they faced off in the playoff Shaq was in his prime and Dave was past his. When Shaq was in Orlando and they played once twice a year when Dave was younger, Dave owned those matchups (go look it up coach).

Now, whats funny is that you're making arguments against Dave by comparing him to hall of fame players, i dont even have to do that for Ewing. This guy was regularly owned and worked by the likes of Rik Smits. GTFOH!!

All NBA, NBA first team, League MVP, Scoring Title, Defensive MVP, All NBA 1st team defense...come on man.. Pat isnt seeing any of that. And Dave had more competing big men in their prime during his prime.

Guys, this really is a silly argument. If Pat Ewing didnt play in the largest media market on the planet this very thread were be a universal joke.
 
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Shit you dont have to go that far. Dont forget how Rik Smits used to own his ass too.



knick fan, ewing throwback in my closet right now but this is an accurate statement. cartwright used to give him fits also. he never did have that supporting player that a robinson or o'neal did. cant really think of a hall of fame player that played with olajuwon other than drexler on the 2nd championship team but hakeem was better anyway


cap is still my dude though. just had the misfortune of playing in the jordan era
 
There are a handful of quotes in here that I don't want to extend the thread with by Amajorfucup and a couple others of the fam.

My reason to pic Robinson is superficial outside of the stats...he had a nickname. Pat didn't. Case closed, LOL.
 
David Robinson (1989-2002)
Career stats
Points 20,790
Rebounds 10,497
Blocks 2,954




Patrick Ewing (1985-2002)
Career stats
Points 24,815
Rebounds 11,607
Blocks 2,894


3 major cats ewing has him n 2....n ewings last 3 or 4 yr`s wuz injury plagued...

i`m bias i`m a knick fan....:D
 
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