50 Greatest NBA Players Argument, If you could put on 10-15players, who would u

[HandsSolo2K5]

WHO WOULD YOU TAKE OFF

THE 50 GREATEST PLAYERS IN NBA HISTORY

Here is the Startup List

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Nate Archibald

Paul Arizin

Charles Barkley

Rick Barry

Elgin Baylor

Dave Bing

Larry Bird

Wilt Chamberlain

Bob Cousy

Dave Cowens

Billy Cunningham

Dave DeBusschere

Clyde Drexler

Julius Erving

Patrick Ewing

Walt Frazier

George Gervin

Hal Greer

John Havlicek

Elvin Hayes

Magic Johnson

Sam Jones

Michael Jordan

Jerry Lucas

Karl Malone
Moses Malone

Pete Maravich

Kevin McHale

George Mikan

Earl Monroe

Hakeem Olajuwon

Shaquille O'Neal

Robert Parish

Bob Pettit

Scottie Pippen

Willis Reed

Oscar Robertson

David Robinson

Bill Russell

Dolph Schayes

Bill Sharman

John Stockton

Isiah Thomas

Nate Thurmond

Wes Unseld

Bill Walton

Jerry West

Lenny Wilkens

James Worthy

 

[ukNoWwHo]

I would add just...Kobe Bryant....A.I...Dominik Wilkins.

No one else have been consistent enough to make that list just yet.

i would take rick barry's sorry ass off the list. I would also take off Nate Archibald and place him as Basketball's ten most important people instead of players. Take Mike Jordan off the list also and put him as the games greatest player.

 

[HandsSolo2K5]

Damn you responded quick.......... You have to take off 5 uknowwho

 

[Agent Smith]

Shaq shouldn't be on there because at the time when the list came out he hadn't done shit in the league yet.

Joe Dumars should be on there.

 

[Paul1970]

Jason Kidd & Dennis Rodman should be on any NBA Greatest Player list...

 

[HandsSolo2K5]

Shaq shouldn't be on there because at the time when the list came out he hadn't done shit in the league yet.

Joe Dumars should be on there.

That why I posted this.... to start arguments..... At first site your answer is crazy but it is your opinion

My friend told me to take Pippen off the List ......

 

[Agent Smith]

That why I posted this.... to start arguments..... At first site your answer is crazy but it is your opinion

My friend told me to take Pippen off the List ......

If you want to make a new list fine Shaq belongs on there without question. But this list came out in 96. Shaq didn't have any rings. He hadn't done shit but get swept by The Dream in the finals.

 

[oatsuzn]

Jason Kidd & Dennis Rodman should be on any NBA Greatest Player list...

cosign. Dennis should be there, but they don't include him because of his antics.

 

[ukNoWwHo]

Damn you responded quick.......... You have to take off 5 uknowwho

To tell you the truth alot of the players on that list i have not have to privilege to live and see them play. Everybody that i grew up with and wanted on that list is on that list.

 

[HandsSolo2K5]

To tell you the truth alot of the players on that list i have not have to privilege to live and see them play. Everybody that i grew up with and wanted on that list is on that list.

Hey, take em off even if you aint heard shit about them, I still dont know what a Paul Arizin is .......And does Bill Walton TRULY belong on that list?

 

[jojodancer69]

I have to agree with putting Dennis Rodman on that list. When the actual list came out in '96, Shaq hadn’t accomplished anything. All he did was break backboards at that time. Dennis, helped the Pistons to those championships, and let’s not forget Defensive Player of the Year and he holds rebound titles.

 

[HandsSolo2K5]

Damn Rodman and Dumars........Gettin Dap from the Board

 

[Brother Blues]

Hey, take em off even if you aint heard shit about them, I still dont know what a Paul Arizin is .......And does Bill Walton TRULY belong on that list?

I can't knock the older cats like Arzin...just cause I didn't see him.
But Walton is there because the powers that be want him there.
I don't believe his career was long enough to be on it...at least his top-level career.

Alex English and Adrian Dantley are more deserving...

 

[Blunt]

cosign. Dennis should be there, but they don't include him because of his antics.

They didn't include him (back then) because he was a totally one-dimensional player with negligible/non-existent offense. Too many better-"balanced" players ahead of him. Might as well put Ben Wallace on that (new) list then.

Nonetheless, Rodman's championships and cumulative Defensive & Rebounding accomplishments would've helped him make the 100 Greatest easily.

 

[Agent Smith]

Damn Rodman and Dumars........

Are we making an updated list or are we going from the 96 list?

If we're updating the list put Kobe bitch ass on there, KG, J Kidd, Duncan, AI, Nique, GP, and Reggie Miller and kick off some of them white boys who played before the league was integrated

 

[HandsSolo2K5]

For Every one you put on, you have to take someone off....... kinda like TNTs Addendum List
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Greatest_Players_in_NBA_History,

but like the AFI movie list...... also....... so would you kick off a George Mikan.....?

 

[AntiguanSexx]

WHO WOULD YOU TAKE OFF

THE 50 GREATEST PLAYERS IN NBA HISTORY

Here is the Startup List

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Nate Archibald

Paul Arizin

Charles Barkley

Rick Barry Out

Elgin Baylor

Dave Bing

Larry Bird

Wilt Chamberlain

Bob Cousy

Dave Cowens Out

Billy Cunningham

Dave DeBusschere

Clyde Drexler

Julius Erving

Patrick Ewing

Walt Frazier

George Gervin

Hal Greer

John Havlicek

Elvin Hayes

Magic Johnson

Sam Jones

Michael Jordan

Jerry Lucas

Karl Malone
Moses Malone

Pete Maravich

Kevin McHale

George Mikan

Earl Monroe

Hakeem Olajuwon

Shaquille O'Neal

Robert Parish

Bob Pettit

Scottie Pippen Out

Willis Reed

Oscar Robertson

David Robinson What did he do really before Duncan came???

Bill Russell

Dolph Schayes

Bill Sharman

John Stockton

Isiah Thomas

Nate Thurmond

Wes Unseld

Bill Walton

Jerry West

Lenny Wilkens

James Worthy When I think of him...Pippen comes to mind

I don't know how in gods name they didn't put Dominique Wilkens in the first time...

He would be in...Kobe...AI...and yea Rodman is a must...A. English and Joe Dumars

 

[ukNoWwHo]

Are we making an updated list or are we going from the 96 list?

If we're updating the list put Kobe bitch ass on there, KG, and J Kidd and kick off some of them white boys who played before the league was integrated

 

[Blunt]

... and kick off some of them white boys who played before the league was integrated

The league was "integrated" in 1950, fool. No "white boy" of consequence played before then.

 

[Agent Smith]

I can't knock the older cats like Arzin...just cause I didn't see him.
But Walton is there because the powers that be want him there.
I don't believe his career was long enough to be on it...at least his top-level career.

Alex English and Adrian Dantley are more deserving...

Bill Walton's dick riding ass definitely shouldn't be on the list. He was too fragile and spent too much time injured.

 

[c_commander]

WHO WOULD YOU TAKE OFF

THE 50 GREATEST PLAYERS IN NBA HISTORY

Here is the Startup List

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

Nate Archibald

Paul Arizin

Charles Barkley

Rick Barry

Elgin Baylor

Dave Bing

Larry Bird

Wilt Chamberlain

Bob Cousy

Dave Cowens

Billy Cunningham

Dave DeBusschere

Clyde Drexler OFF

Julius Erving

Patrick Ewing

Walt Frazier

George Gervin

Hal Greer

John Havlicek

Elvin Hayes

Magic Johnson

Sam Jones

Michael Jordan

Jerry Lucas

Karl Malone
Moses Malone

Pete Maravich

Kevin McHale

George Mikan

Earl Monroe

Hakeem Olajuwon

Shaquille O'Neal

Robert Parish

Bob Pettit

Scottie Pippen

Willis Reed

Oscar Robertson

David Robinson

Bill Russell

Dolph Schayes

Bill Sharman

John Stockton

Isiah Thomas

Nate Thurmond

Wes Unseld

Bill WaltonOFF

Jerry West

Lenny Wilkens

James Worthy

And I would add Jason Kidd and Kevin Garnett.Bill Walton spent the majority of his career injured and he wasn't the player in the NBA that he was at UCLA which is a similar reason to why I Connie Hawkins wouldn't make the list since he was past his prime. Clyde Drexler was good but he was overrated. He shouldn't be on the list just like he shouldn't have been on the Dream Team. Isiah should have had his spot there and when this team was originally put together I would have put Dominique in over him.

 

[Gazoo]

Dave DeBusschere 16.1 ppg, 11.0 reb, 2.9 ast. (He's over rated for being with a great Knick team, his stats were so so during a time when stats were blowing up - his plus is that he played great team ball and probably sacrificed stats).

for

Kobe 23.9 ppg, 5.1 reb, 4.5 ast (3 titles also). His numbers are lower reflecting his first year. He'll finish up around 28ppg.

next

James Worthy (was always overrated), 17.6 ppg, 5.1 reb, 3.0 ast - a very good player ...but top 50? nah!!

for

Bernard King (no title, but a personal favorite of mine) - 22.5 ppg, the most telling of his stats was his almost 52% field goal pct. The cat rarely missed for a small forward shooting baseline turnaround jumpers.

next

Arzin deserves to be there although most of us don't remember him. He avg over 22 ppg in an era that didn't have high scorers like today. He didn't play against brothers because of the era - so he loses some point. But I'll let him stay.

next

Goodbye Scottie (riding off of Jordan - couldn't shoot a jumper)

and say hello to

...David Thompson - 22.1 ppg, 3.8 reb, 3.2 ast - career was cut short and his later year stats suffered - truncate those last four years and you have one of the best, didn't play a lot of years but we don't hold that against Sandy Koufax or Gale Sayers.

Tim Duncan for Dave Cowens. Cowens was good, but top 50 basketball players of all time ...please.

Hello Allen Iverson and goodbye Lenny Wilkens - You've gotta be kidding ...right.

Don't be too quick to get rid of old timers strictly because of stats as their game reflected their time. Just as big Wilts 50.1ppg would never stand up today.

 

[jojodancer69]

Dave DeBusschere 16.1 ppg, 11.0 reb, 2.9 ast. (He's over rated for being with a great Knick team, his stats were so so during a time when stats were blowing up - his plus is that he played great team ball and probably sacrificed stats).

for

Kobe 23.9 ppg, 5.1 reb, 4.5 ast (3 titles also). His numbers are lower reflecting his first year. He'll finish up around 28ppg.

next

James Worthy (was always overrated), 17.6 ppg, 5.1 reb, 3.0 ast - a very good player ...but top 50? nah!!

for

Bernard King (no title, but a personal favorite of mine) - 22.5 ppg, the most telling of his stats was his almost 52% field goal pct. The cat rarely missed for a small forward shooting baseline turnaround jumpers.

next

Arzin deserves to be there although most of us don't remember him. He avg over 22 ppg in an era that didn't have high scorers like today. He didn't play against brothers because of the era - so he loses some point. But I'll let him stay.

next

Goodbye Scottie (riding off of Jordan - couldn't shoot a jumper)

and say hello to

...David Thompson - 22.1 ppg, 3.8 reb, 3.2 ast - career was cut short and his later year stats suffered - truncate those last four years and you have one of the best, didn't play a lot of years but we don't hold that against Sandy Koufax or Gale Sayers.

Tim Duncan for Dave Cowens. Cowens was good, but top 50 basketball players of all time ...please.

Hello Allen Iverson and goodbye Lenny Wilkens - You've gotta be kidding ...right.

Don't be too quick to get rid of old timers strictly because of stats as their game reflected their time. Just as big Wilts 50.1ppg would never stand up today.

Scottie is he truth. He proved himself when Jordan retired that year and almost got them to the finals. Did anybody remember that dunk "under" Ewing.

 

[roots69]

hmm....no David Thompson

 

[Big Philly]

I would add just...Kobe Bryant....A.I...Dominik Wilkins.

No one else have been consistent enough to make that list just yet.

i would take rick barry's sorry ass off the list. I would also take off Nate Archibald and place him as Basketball's ten most important people instead of players. Take Mike Jordan off the list also and put him as the games greatest player.

Kobe belongs, but Dominik doesn't. Bernard King was damn good but can't be put on either. I don't know how old you are but the Kansas City King Tiny Archibald was tough. He led the NBA in scoring and assists in the same season! Rick Barry was also tough, 50 points back to back three different times.

I love Michael Jordan and he was incredible but David Stern recognized how he could manipulate the rules to help MJ so he eliminated the hard foul and hand checking just to exploit Mike's skills and that elevated him to God status with the endorsements and everything. The NBA constantly changed the rules to hurt Wilt because he was unstoppable. The only reason there is an argument is because Wilt was weird and had to play every year against the Celtics who had 15 hall of famers so he doesn't have 5,6,7 rings. Check the numbers, Wilt has to be the greatest player ever. And don't give me that he was the tallest player and that's why he dominated. First, there were only 9 teams then and every other center was a hall of famer including many of the people on the list above, Willis Reed, Bill Russell, Walt Bellamy. Second, if the tall theory was true then the Shawn Bradley, George Muresan, and Manute Bols of the world would have dominated when they played. Again, I love Mike and his will to win but he was enhanced by David Stern's vision. It is that same vision that added the zone defense and a shorter three point shot so that white foreign players could play in the NBA so that the league could go global. By the way you could argue that Kareem with his six titles and six MVPs and the most unstoppable shot ever is second.

As for players that don't belong on the list Debusscher was just a shooter so you could take him off, plus he was the fourth option on the Knicks. Same with Bill Sharman when he was with the Celts. If Scottie Pippen wasn't the greatest defender ever he would have to be taken off because he had a lot of bitch in him, sitting out games and not going in cause the play wasn't drawn up for him.

And as for A.I. you gotta love him because he has an incredible will to play hard but his lack of knowledge of the team game hurts. I played a high level of ball in Philly and know a lot of pros including Aaron Mckie who is one of A.I.'s best friends and he says that its hard to play with A.I. because they have to cover for his mistakes constantly. There's no way I could put him on the list.

 

[HandsSolo2K5]

Kobe belongs, but Dominik doesn't. Bernard King was damn good but can't be put on either. I don't know how old you are but the Kansas City King Tiny Archibald was tough. He led the NBA in scoring and assists in the same season! Rick Barry was also tough, 50 points back to back three different times.

I love Michael Jordan and he was incredible but David Stern recognized how he could manipulate the rules to help MJ so he eliminated the hard foul and hand checking just to exploit Mike's skills and that elevated him to God status with the endorsements and everything. The NBA constantly changed the rules to hurt Wilt because he was unstoppable. The only reason there is an argument is because Wilt was weird and had to play every year against the Celtics who had 15 hall of famers so he doesn't have 5,6,7 rings. Check the numbers, Wilt has to be the greatest player ever. And don't give me that he was the tallest player and that's why he dominated. First, there were only 9 teams then and every other center was a hall of famer including many of the people on the list above, Willis Reed, Bill Russell, Walt Bellamy. Second, if the tall theory was true then the Shawn Bradley, George Muresan, and Manute Bols of the world would have dominated when they played. Again, I love Mike and his will to win but he was enhanced by David Stern's vision. It is that same vision that added the zone defense and a shorter three point shot so that white foreign players could play in the NBA so that the league could go global. By the way you could argue that Kareem with his six titles and six MVPs and the most unstoppable shot ever is second.

As for players that don't belong on the list Debusscher was just a shooter so you could take him off, plus he was the fourth option on the Knicks. Same with Bill Sharman when he was with the Celts. If Scottie Pippen wasn't the greatest defender ever he would have to be taken off because he had a lot of bitch in him, sitting out games and not going in cause the play wasn't drawn up for him.

And as for A.I. you gotta love him because he has an incredible will to play hard but his lack of knowledge of the team game hurts. I played a high level of ball in Philly and know a lot of pros including Aaron Mckie who is one of A.I.'s best friends and he says that its hard to play with A.I. because they have to cover for his mistakes constantly. There's no way I could put him on the list.

excellent explanation and examination

 

[qweedread]

First off, you gotta add Dennis Rodman. This ain't about championships because teams win championships not one player so you gotta add Dominique Wilkens. Timmy should be there, he's the best big man in the game for the last 10 years. Iverson has been consistent u gotta add him. Dude who was talking bout Aaron Mckie and them having to make up for AI's mistakes, that's the biggest crock of shit I ever heard like AI ain't never had to make up for they mistakes.

 

[Complex]

Reggie Miller and Dominique were too one dimesonal.

Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant would be locks

Jason Kidd almost certain

Gary Payton would be close. I actually think he stayed three years too late. Hard to remember his Seattle days when he was one of the top players in the league.

Steve Nash would get put on the team also

I think Clyde Fraizer and Willis Reed were hyped from playing in New York and winning a championship, not necessarily their games and stats. Never saw them play though.

Worthy, Robert Parish, Bill Walton, Dave DeBusschere, Sam Jones would get bumped also

 

[Big Philly]

First off, you gotta add Dennis Rodman. This ain't about championships because teams win championships not one player so you gotta add Dominique Wilkens. Timmy should be there, he's the best big man in the game for the last 10 years. Iverson has been consistent u gotta add him. Dude who was talking bout Aaron Mckie and them having to make up for AI's mistakes, that's the biggest crock of shit I ever heard like AI ain't never had to make up for they mistakes.

A.I. scored because they couldn't and that was the only thing he did or could cover up for the rest of those dudes. He was a great defender in college but only played the passing lanes wiht the 76ers and gave up more layups because he wasn't there to play help D. The only time he got assists is when he got caught in the air and couldn't get a shot. I love A.I. but if you really know ball and watch the Sixers when they had him you'll be able to tell what McKie said was true.

 

[Big Philly]

Reggie Miller and Dominique were too one dimesonal.

Tim Duncan, Allen Iverson, Kevin Garnett and Kobe Bryant would be locks

Jason Kidd almost certain

Gary Payton would be close. I actually think he stayed three years too late. Hard to remember his Seattle days when he was one of the top players in the league.

Steve Nash would get put on the team also

I think Clyde Fraizer and Willis Reed were hyped from playing in New York and winning a championship, not necessarily their games and stats. Never saw them play though.

Worthy, Robert Parish, Bill Walton, Dave DeBusschere, Sam Jones would get bumped also

Clyde was tough, a great on ball defender. Bill Walton was great too but couldn't stay healthy long enough to make the top 50. Sam Jones was good but had all those Cletic dudes to take the pressure off. People forget how good Bob Mcadoo and Bernard King were. Mcadoo was the greatest shooting big man ever and Bernard King scored 60 points back to back. I think both of those dudes should be in. Steve Nash is a product of the pick and roll offense in Phoenix that is built to be entertaining and not win in the playoffs. Accept for AI I think the rest of your dudes are on point.

 

[Built4Life]

Players who need to be on the greatest players list.

Dennis Rodman - We are so offensive oriented that we oftentimes forget the other side of the game.

Tim Duncan - There is no need to even rationalize it. His game is as tight as it can be except for his free throws.

Kobe Bryant - If the Lakers do well this season and he is more of a team player then that will definitely be a nice peg in his legacy.

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

Dave DeBusschere 16.1 ppg, 11.0 reb, 2.9 ast. (He's over rated for being with a great Knick team, his stats were so so during a time when stats were blowing up - his plus is that he played great team ball and probably sacrificed stats).

for

Kobe 23.9 ppg, 5.1 reb, 4.5 ast (3 titles also). His numbers are lower reflecting his first year. He'll finish up around 28ppg.

next

James Worthy (was always overrated), 17.6 ppg, 5.1 reb, 3.0 ast - a very good player ...but top 50? nah!!

for

Bernard King (no title, but a personal favorite of mine) - 22.5 ppg, the most telling of his stats was his almost 52% field goal pct. The cat rarely missed for a small forward shooting baseline turnaround jumpers.

next

Arzin deserves to be there although most of us don't remember him. He avg over 22 ppg in an era that didn't have high scorers like today. He didn't play against brothers because of the era - so he loses some point. But I'll let him stay.

next

Goodbye Scottie (riding off of Jordan - couldn't shoot a jumper)

and say hello to

...David Thompson - 22.1 ppg, 3.8 reb, 3.2 ast - career was cut short and his later year stats suffered - truncate those last four years and you have one of the best, didn't play a lot of years but we don't hold that against Sandy Koufax or Gale Sayers.

Tim Duncan for Dave Cowens. Cowens was good, but top 50 basketball players of all time ...please.

Hello Allen Iverson and goodbye Lenny Wilkens - You've gotta be kidding ...right.

Don't be too quick to get rid of old timers strictly because of stats as their game reflected their time. Just as big Wilts 50.1ppg would never stand up today.

If that's the case..then remove John Stockton off of that list. You could have put any above average PG on the Jazz during their run and he would have put up similar numbers.

 

[HandsSolo2K5]

Players who need to be on the greatest players list.

Dennis Rodman - We are so offensive oriented that we oftentimes forget the other side of the game.

Tim Duncan - There is no need to even rationalize it. His game is as tight as it can be except for his free throws.

Kobe Bryant - If the Lakers do well this season and he is more of a team player then that will definitely be a nice peg in his legacy.

Great But who would you take off?

 

[Rollie_Fingaz]

A.I. scored because they couldn't and that was the only thing he did or could cover up for the rest of those dudes. He was a great defender in college but only played the passing lanes wiht the 76ers and gave up more layups because he wasn't there to play help D. The only time he got assists is when he got caught in the air and couldn't get a shot. I love A.I. but if you really know ball and watch the Sixers when they had him you'll be able to tell what McKie said was true.

True, but he led the league in two catagories (one offensive, one defensive) for multiple years..so if Stockton is there, then a case can be made for A.I.

 

[HandsSolo2K5]

hmm....no David Thompson

I actually thought that Dominique and David Thompson had made the Top 50 All Time List and I would have added him as a selection ..... I think his NBA career was short but his ABA career should have gotten him considered..... many of the ABA players are punished by the NBA for not playing for them