50 Cent and Steve Stoute confrontation at MSG

[BDR]

Props to 50 for checking that BITCH ASS NIGGA, STOUTE...

...And for you niggas who don't know... 50 and Stoute have a history.

50 was signed to Trackmaster and Stoute used to manage them.

When 50 got shot, Stoute cut him off... Then when 50 got hot and was about to signed with Dre, Stoute tried to get in...

BUT... 50 said, ... and the rest is history.

Stoute opened his mouth and 50 checked him for it.

NOW... to the 50 critics... I say this... 50 will be 39 this year... What else does he need to do???

Speak on it Vanda

These sucka niggas on here let hate cloud basic logic

 

[dtownsfinest]

WHAT???

MY NIGGA...

Jay fed Kanye... AND Ross...

... and in comparison to what 50 did for... Game, Banks, Yayo, Sha Money and Young Buck.... Ross aint do shit...

...And... Kendrick, Niki, Drake, Kanye and Jay... ALL OUT-SELL HIM...

Now... even though I don't fuck with Fat Boy, I respect his successes...

But... they don't match up against 50.

I NEVER said anything about 50.

And Jay didn't "feed" Kanye until Kanye proved he was a platinum seller. That was Dame. And I like Jay. He's my favorite artist of all time. And he's incredibly influential. I'm not debating that. But since Jay has left Dame he hasn't put dudes on unless they were pop stars like Rihanna or the Dream.

Rozay gave Meek Mill a career when labels deemed Meek not marketable. He gave Wale a shot when Interscope didn't know what to do with him despite putting Lady Gaga on a song with him. He just signed Fat Trel who labels were afraid to sign. He signed Stalley. Rozay could easily go out there and try and find the next Nicki Minaj or Drake like everyone else is trying to do.

And i'd put Gucci Mane in that same category. Gucci gave niggas like OJ, Scooter, Flocka, Peewey....Zaytoven, Drumma Boy, Lex.....these dudes putting people on that other labels stayed away from because they didn't fit what was selling or being marketed.

Like I said, its a select few dudes doing that. TIP is one of them. Ross is another. Kanye is another.

You talking about album sales. I'm not talking about no sales. I'm talking about what these artists do for people on their team. Rozay....who has never gone platinum has allowed for artists to EAT on his label.

 

[DigitalMethods]

Y'all know I just came in here to laugh LMAO.


I bet he sat up and told Steve how he would slap him if they was in the streets and shit. Lmao- welp, you're not in the streets anymore Fif. You're in that position you clowned everybody else for being in and even though you could probably slap Stoute into the new year, he can now sue you to oblivion, so guess what? You gotta play nice and be political like everybody else. You're an industry nigga. Talk that shit but don't touch him. You know the new rules.

True

Props to 50 for checking that BITCH ASS NIGGA, STOUTE...

...And for you niggas who don't know... 50 and Stoute have a history.

50 was signed to Trackmaster and Stoute used to manage them.

When 50 got shot, Stoute cut him off... Then when 50 got hot and was about to signed with Dre, Stoute tried to get in...

BUT... 50 said, ... and the rest is history.

Stoute opened his mouth and 50 checked him for it.

NOW... to the 50 critics... I say this... 50 will be 39 this year... What else does he need to do???

Umm, make a hit record, something he's been trying to do for so many years now.

Is Rick Ross really on top (especially now)?

In terms of being relevant...And i'm not even a fan of Rick Ross.

On top of what???

In terms of being relevant...And i'm not even a fan of Rick Ross.


What about Jay, Kanye,Drake... Nikki...Kendrick... shit even Macklemore have a higher profile than Fat Boy.

Shit... when you think about it... Ross fell off too...

He's still very relevant...

Y'all can say what y'all want about Rozay but he got dudes around him eating. He's making careers. I can't say the same for Kendrick, Nikki, Drake.......or Jay. I'll give that to Kanye. He's always helping out other artists. But no one does it better than Ye and Rozay.

And that just shows the plan is coming to fruition. The mis-education and dumbing down is almost complete

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Y'all can say what y'all want about Rozay but he got dudes around him eating. He's making careers. I can't say the same for Kendrick, Nikki, Drake.......or Jay. I'll give that to Kanye. He's always helping out other artists. But no one does it better than Ye and Rozay.

damn bruh you really think highly of ross but he is NEVER mentioned in anything far reaching or having crossover impact on the culture. he's making careers? Where? Where are these careers he's making? Who is out there so heavy you sit back and go damn Ross did his thing with him?

Wale?... shit he is managed by Roc Nation.

Meek Mill?

Stalley? ... the same spot he was more or less before signing with rick.

I usually just fall back with the ross talk but I'm seeing you put him up there with Kanye.. on what planet is his reach or influence or impact is on kanye level?

Then you say well nikki drake and kendrick...

those are HOUSEHOLD names family.

Rick ross..no matter how much people want to believe.. is not a household name.

Edit: Again This don't mean he ain't successful
But You're discrediting people who have made serious careers for the sake of pushing Ross into a class he don't belong in.

This isn't a hate on ross post either. this is all fact. He's got his trap lane and he does what he does but you're making him out to be something bigger than what he actually is.

 

[vandamation]

I NEVER said anything about 50.

And Jay didn't "feed" Kanye until Kanye proved he was a platinum seller. That was Dame. And I like Jay. He's my favorite artist of all time. And he's incredibly influential. I'm not debating that. But since Jay has left Dame he hasn't put dudes on unless they were pop stars like Rihanna or the Dream.

Rozay gave Meek Mill a career when labels deemed Meek not marketable. He gave Wale a shot when Interscope didn't know what to do with him despite putting Lady Gaga on a song with him. He just signed Fat Trel who labels were afraid to sign. He signed Stalley. Rozay could easily go out there and try and find the next Nicki Minaj or Drake like everyone else is trying to do.

And i'd put Gucci Mane in that same category. Gucci gave niggas like OJ, Scooter, Flocka, Peewey....Zaytoven, Drumma Boy, Lex.....these dudes putting people on that other labels stayed away from because they didn't fit what was selling or being marketed.

Like I said, its a select few dudes doing that. TIP is one of them. Ross is another. Kanye is another.

You talking about album sales. I'm not talking about no sales. I'm talking about what these artists do for people on their team. Rozay....who has never gone platinum has allowed for artists to EAT on his label.

I hear you... but... 50 has done the same things... and more...

...And if you're give Gucci credit for Zaytoven and those guys then you have to give credit to Jay for Kanye.

 

[DigitalMethods]

damn bruh you really think highly of ross but he is NEVER mentioned in anything far reaching or having crossover impact on the culture. he's making careers? Where? Where are these careers he's making? Who is out there so heavy you sit back and go damn Ross did his thing with him?

Wale?... shit he is managed by Roc Nation.

Meek Mill?

Stalley? ... the same spot he was more or less before signing with rick.

I usually just fall back with the ross talk but I'm seeing you put him up there with Kanye.. on what planet is his reach or influence or impact is on kanye level?

Then you say well nikki drake and kendrick...

those are HOUSEHOLD names family.

Rick ross..no matter how much people want to believe.. is not a household name.

This isn't a hate on ross post either. this is all fact. He's got his trap lane and he does what he does but you're making him out to be something bigger than what he actually is.

 

[dtownsfinest]

damn bruh you really think highly of ross but he is NEVER mentioned in anything far reaching or having crossover impact on the culture. he's making careers? Where? Where are these careers he's making? Who is out there so heavy you sit back and go damn Ross did his thing with him?

Wale?... shit he is managed by Roc Nation.

Meek Mill?

Stalley? ... the same spot he was more or less before signing with rick.

I usually just fall back with the ross talk but I'm seeing you put him up there with Kanye.. on what planet is his reach or influence or impact is on kanye level?

Then you say well nikki drake and kendrick...

those are HOUSEHOLD names family.

Rick ross..no matter how much people want to believe.. is not a household name.

This isn't a hate on ross post either. this is all fact. He's got his trap lane and he does what he does but you're making him out to be something bigger than what he actually is.

I didn't put him in "Kanye's level". What i'm saying is Rozay has built careers. He's marketed his artists like no one before him. Call it riding or Stan'n or whatever. I follow this shit. I see how these artists move.

Y'all are stuck on "album sales" and "POPularity". Understand, there's only 10 popular rappers........and 5 of them are going platinum. Kanye didn't even go platinum this last time around.

And Wale was ALWAYS managed by Roc Nation. He didn't just hop over there. He was over there when he FLOPPED at Interscope. And truth be told, Meek was HOTTER prior to going over to Roc Nation. His music done fell off and them bangers he was cranking out prior to Roc Nation ain't been the same.

And Stalley is a well respected artists who can come in your city and sell out a show. Same goes or Omarion and Fat Trel. Dudes are eating. You don't have to go platinum to eat in this industry.

This Industry ain't as black/white as you trying to make it out to be.

And like I stated above, I hold Gucci high in that regard too its just a shame for him he can't get out of his own way. And again, we talking about a dude just like Rawse who has never gone platinum but he's BUILDING careers. That's more impressive to me than selling 1 million records and having your artists suffer.

 

[vandamation]

damn bruh you really think highly of ross but he is NEVER mentioned in anything far reaching or having crossover impact on the culture. he's making careers? Where? Where are these careers he's making? Who is out there so heavy you sit back and go damn Ross did his thing with him?

Wale?... shit he is managed by Roc Nation.

Meek Mill?

Stalley? ... the same spot he was more or less before signing with rick.

I usually just fall back with the ross talk but I'm seeing you put him up there with Kanye.. on what planet is his reach or influence or impact is on kanye level?

Then you say well nikki drake and kendrick...

those are HOUSEHOLD names family.

Rick ross..no matter how much people want to believe.. is not a household name.

Edit: Again This don't mean he ain't successful
But You're discrediting people who have made serious careers for the sake of pushing Ross into a class he don't belong in.

This isn't a hate on ross post either. this is all fact. He's got his trap lane and he does what he does but you're making him out to be something bigger than what he actually is.

That's what I'm saying...

I mean... when you think about it... G-Unit is comparable to Cash Money than MMG is to G-Unit...

 

[BDR]

Niggas say make a hit record but fail to realize 50 in a position where he dont have to make another record ever again

Your favorite artist Rawse can't do that

 

[Joe Money]

50 Cent was never really an "artist", nor was he a talented rapper. He was being driven solely by hype and drama, from "How to a Rob" to his shooting to the beef with Ja Rule. That's what put him on, and he's tried unsuccessfully to re-create that drama whenever he wanted to drop a new project. You could make the case that he had a knack for creating hooks, which he ironically criticized Ja Rule for, but these days Drake and Future do that far better than he does.

Ultimately, he just lacks talent as a rapper and performer. Talent, along with business, hype, and marketing, is what has sustained Jay, Kanye, and other older rappers still in the game.

 

[dtownsfinest]

I hear you... but... 50 has done the same things... and more...

...And if you're give Gucci credit for Zaytoven and those guys then you have to give credit to Jay for Kanye.

Once AGAIN, I never said nothing about Fif. 50 also when he was in his prime put niggas on. Did it better than anyone at the time. I'm not sure where I said otherwise but Curtis was another dude. And dudes bit the hand that fed them.

And why would I give Jay credit for Kanye when Dame was responsible for him? But either way, give Jay that credit. That was 10 years ago fam. He put Memphis Bleek on too......that was 15 years ago. I'm talking about NOW. And he didn't put J. Cole on. I don't even want to hear dudes bring that up. J. Cole has had success DESPITE Jay but that's cool because I Think that sort of helped J. Cole in a way being that he was forced to do it on his own. That co-sign for Bleek is probably why he not poppin' now....never had to stand on his own.

Gucci put them producers on man....when he was cranking' out mix tapes niggas like Lex, Zaytoven, Drumma Boy......shit even Mike Will to an extent was on them shits. He put Zaytoven beats on a larger and consistent scale.

 

[BKF]

He's still very relevant...

I am not a fan of the artist Rick Ross but I do listen to some of his music. Yet I just don't see Rick being that relevant these days. Also I think the statement below also applies to Ross.

"I mean, he has not made anything musically that’s changed anything in a very long time. And I feel like he’s always like gearing up for something that never happens."

 

[vandamation]

I didn't put him in "Kanye's level". What i'm saying is Rozay has built careers. He's marketed his artists like no one before him. Call it riding or Stan'n or whatever. I follow this shit. I see how these artists move.

Y'all are stuck on "album sales" and "POPularity". Understand, there's only 10 popular rappers........and 5 of them are going platinum. Kanye didn't even go platinum this last time around.

And Wale was ALWAYS managed by Roc Nation. He didn't just hop over there. He was over there when he FLOPPED at Interscope. And truth be told, Meek was HOTTER prior to going over to Roc Nation. His music done fell off and them bangers he was cranking out prior to Roc Nation ain't been the same.

And Stalley is a well respected artists who can come in your city and sell out a show. Same goes or Omarion and Fat Trel. Dudes are eating. You don't have to go platinum to eat in this industry.

This Industry ain't as black/white as you trying to make it out to be.

And like I stated above, I hold Gucci high in that regard too its just a shame for him he can't get out of his own way. And again, we talking about a dude just like Rawse who has never gone platinum but he's BUILDING careers. That's more impressive to me than selling 1 million records and having your artists suffer.

I respectfully disagree...

'He markets his artists like no one before him'... ....

If that were true... then he'd have a platinum artist under his belt.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I didn't put him in "Kanye's level". What i'm saying is Rozay has built careers. He's marketed his artists like no one before him. Call it riding or Stan'n or whatever. I follow this shit. I see how these artists move.

I follow it too. And he's not marketing artists like no one before him. Not even close. He's following Master P's business model or shit every rapper's business model before him as far as putting artists out.. those that actually put artists out.

Y'all are stuck on "album sales" and "POPularity". Understand, there's only 10 popular rappers........and 5 of them are going platinum. Kanye didn't even go platinum this last time around.

That's the whole damn point though. You can't put him in the class of the most popular influential people in rap.. then try to say we stuck on sales and popularity. You understand sales and popularity= influence. you have to have 1 or the other or both... You can have album sales and be biggest in the game. Your sales can be lacking that mega number but your popularity is so high it don't even matter... you have to have 1 or the other it's not stuck its the criteria for what you're talking about with him being on those levels.

And Stalley is a well respected artists who can come in your city and sell out a show. Same goes or Omarion and Fat Trel. Dudes are eating. You don't have to go platinum to eat in this industry.

They would be eating without him. I saw stalley 3 times BEFORE he was with ross and he sold out here 3 times BEFORE he was with ross. He's supposed to be on a different level if you're going to give him the kind of credit you're trying to give him.

Omarion has a HUGE history so let's not act like he's made Omarion's career. He is giving Omarion another shot YES but making his career? come on.

This Industry ain't as black/white as you trying to make it out to be.

with what you were trying to say.. yes it is in fact black or white. either you selling records or have huge influence in the culture or you don't.

And like I stated above, I hold Gucci high in that regard too its just a shame for him he can't get out of his own way. And again, we talking about a dude just like Rawse who has never gone platinum but he's BUILDING careers. That's more impressive to me than selling 1 million records and having your artists suffer.

And who that you mention hasn't built careers? lol

Jay-z? i remember when all yall were saying j cole would never see the light of day... fast forward 2 #1 albums later not a peep. You'll say dame is the reason for kanye.. why didn't ye go with dame? That's all i'll go into with jay-z

50... lloyd banks made MILLIONS yayo had no business making music but he made MILLIONS no artist suffered under 50.

who else is there?

Everybody on kanye label is doing good right?

who else? kendrick is still on his 1st album...

who else? we can keep it going.. Drake? i don't believe he's tried his hand at putting people on YET but if you think he couldn't?

 

[casavino]

even stout said it fif might not be a top tier rapper anymore but he is gangsta watch ur mouth steve lol

 

[vandamation]

Once AGAIN, I never said nothing about Fif. 50 also when he was in his prime put niggas on. Did it better than anyone at the time. I'm not sure where I said otherwise but Curtis was another dude. And dudes bit the hand that fed them.

And why would I give Jay credit for Kanye when Dame was responsible for him? But either way, give Jay that credit. That was 10 years ago fam. He put Memphis Bleek on too......that was 15 years ago. I'm talking about NOW. And he didn't put J. Cole on. I don't even want to hear dudes bring that up. J. Cole has had success DESPITE Jay but that's cool because I Think that sort of helped J. Cole in a way being that he was forced to do it on his own. That co-sign for Bleek is probably why he not poppin' now....never had to stand on his own.

Gucci put them producers on man....when he was cranking' out mix tapes niggas like Lex, Zaytoven, Drumma Boy......shit even Mike Will to an extent was on them shits. He put Zaytoven beats on a larger and consistent scale.

You should give Jay credit for Kanye because Jay ultimately signed off on Kanye...

If Jay didn't want any of Kanye's beats, Kanye would have been 'dead' when it came to ROCKAFELLA... Just like if Gucci didn't like Zaytoven.

 

[World B Free]

 

[dtownsfinest]

I respectfully disagree...

'He markets his artists like on one before him'... ....

If that were true... then he'd have a platinum artist under his belt.

How so? You can't make people buy a artist. Meek Mill aint' never going platinum. Shit Rick Ross ain't never going platinum. But in order to make money in this industry you don't have to go platinum. No matter what Flo Rida will NEVER be a platinum seller. Neither will Pitbull. They however are VERY profitable despite never selling more than 300,000 records.

Y'all really need to come to grips that he standard for artists is no longer "platinum" when last year Jay Z, Drake, Eminem, Macklemore and Kendrick were the only rappers who sold over 1 million records. Nicki Minaj didn't do it. J. Cole didn't. Kanye West didn't. Lil' Wayne didn't. But Rick Ross suppose to make Wale and Meek go platinum?

Rozay has his own video production company in MMG films and they've done videos for their own artists as well as other artists. They don't have to pay Colin Tilley or Hype Williams or Benny Boom to shoot 5 or 6 videos for their artists. They have the team to do it on a solid budget and not on some handheld camera shit.

Ciroc and other companies also sponsor their videos to take care of the budget of those videos.

 

[Esther]

The way he treated Ja Rule was wrong. All this is is karma kicking him in the ass.

 

[World B Free]

 

[freshnclean]

When 50 got shot, Stoute cut him off... Then when 50 got hot and was about to signed with Dre, Stoute tried to get in...

Its never fun when the rabbit got the gun...

 

[mathtest]

I recall some bgol niggaz sayin that 50 and Timberlake song was gonna be a hit, how that work out?

 

[vandamation]

Once AGAIN, I never said nothing about Fif. 50 also when he was in his prime put niggas on. Did it better than anyone at the time. I'm not sure where I said otherwise but Curtis was another dude. And dudes bit the hand that fed them.

And why would I give Jay credit for Kanye when Dame was responsible for him? But either way, give Jay that credit. That was 10 years ago fam. He put Memphis Bleek on too......that was 15 years ago. I'm talking about NOW. And he didn't put J. Cole on. I don't even want to hear dudes bring that up. J. Cole has had success DESPITE Jay but that's cool because I Think that sort of helped J. Cole in a way being that he was forced to do it on his own. That co-sign for Bleek is probably why he not poppin' now....never had to stand on his own.

Gucci put them producers on man....when he was cranking' out mix tapes niggas like Lex, Zaytoven, Drumma Boy......shit even Mike Will to an extent was on them shits. He put Zaytoven beats on a larger and consistent scale.

I know you didn't say anything about 50... I'm just making a comparison... that's all. And if you want to about 'right now'... MMG is COLD!!!... ICE COLD!!!!!...

Wale ain't popping... Meek ain't popping... and Ross is trying to re-ignite off of a BIGGIE classic... You make the comparison with Gucci, Zaytoven...Lex... and Drumma Boy... I do the same with Jay, Jus-Blaze,Kanye and Pharrell.

Don't get me wrong... Fat Boy has done well for himself... BUT... It's more hype than actual substance.

 

[keone]

I didn't put him in "Kanye's level". What i'm saying is Rozay has built careers. He's marketed his artists like no one before him. Call it riding or Stan'n or whatever. I follow this shit. I see how these artists move.

see when i say something you gone say i hate ross u forgot master p?g-unit?cashmoney? rocafella?

wale was already established and meek mill was the hottest upcoming rapper who was signed to ti but because of ti foolishness meek went to ross. i give ross props for signing them but dont act like he build them from scratch they was already poppin. the reason why wale flopped was because interscope under shipped him. now he prolly wouldnt sold 800k but he would have done some numbers.

and you say it isnt about sales. wale, meek mill, nicky and drake all came out around the same time. nicky and drake went plat. hell even kendrick who came later than all of them went platnum. so how do u explain that?

I respectfully disagree...

'He markets his artists like on one before him'... ....

If that were true... then he'd have a platinum artist under his belt.

thats the shit that has me like

c/s what largebill said

 

[Complex]

Props to 50 for checking that BITCH ASS NIGGA, STOUTE...

...And for you niggas who don't know... 50 and Stoute have a history.

50 was signed to Trackmaster and Stoute used to manage them.

When 50 got shot, Stoute cut him off... Then when 50 got hot and was about to signed with Dre, Stoute tried to get in...

BUT... 50 said, ... and the rest is history.

Stoute opened his mouth and 50 checked him for it.

NOW... to the 50 critics... I say this... 50 will be 39 this year... What else does he need to do???

50 opens his mouth all the time

Wasn't he saying Fat Joe wasn't hot?

 

[vandamation]

I follow it too. And he's not marketing artists like no one before him. Not even close. He's following Master P's business model or shit every rapper's business model before him as far as putting artists out.. those that actually put artists out.




That's the whole damn point though. You can't put him in the class of the most popular influential people in rap.. then try to say we stuck on sales and popularity. You understand sales and popularity= influence. you have to have 1 or the other or both... You can have album sales and be biggest in the game. Your sales can be lacking that mega number but your popularity is so high it don't even matter... you have to have 1 or the other it's not stuck its the criteria for what you're talking about with him being on those levels.





They would be eating without him. I saw stalley 3 times BEFORE he was with ross and he sold out here 3 times BEFORE he was with ross. He's supposed to be on a different level if you're going to give him the kind of credit you're trying to give him.

Omarion has a HUGE history so let's not act like he's made Omarion's career. He is giving Omarion another shot YES but making his career? come on.




with what you were trying to say.. yes it is in fact black or white. either you selling records or have huge influence in the culture or you don't.



And who that you mention hasn't built careers? lol

Jay-z? i remember when all yall were saying j cole would never see the light of day... fast forward 2 #1 albums later not a peep. You'll say dame is the reason for kanye.. why didn't ye go with dame? That's all i'll go into with jay-z

50... lloyd banks made MILLIONS yayo had no business making music but he made MILLIONS no artist suffered under 50.

who else is there?

Everybody on kanye label is doing good right?

who else? kendrick is still on his 1st album...

who else? we can keep it going.. Drake? i don't believe he's tried his hand at putting people on YET but if you think he couldn't?

 

[wiZe]

50 doesnt have influence in hip hop anymore.

i mean look at how the nigga wears his hat!

bgol fucking logic

 

[DWIGHT]

People you MUST remember...NEVER AWAKEN A SLEEPING GIANT! Once you light someone ass on fire, they come back and history will back up this theory!
NAS with STILLMATIC, LL with MAMA SAID KNOCK YOU OUT, there are others but I will mention just these two classics. Its about SHOW AND PROVE now and Stoute basically put 50's name on the line. And for those who doubt 50 (I like some of his music but not a diehard fan), he has and always have been AMBITIOUS AND HUNGRY!

 

[dtownsfinest]

I know you didn't say anything about 50... I'm just making a comparison... that's all. And if you want to about 'right now'... MMG is COLD!!!... ICE COLD!!!!!...

Wale ain't popping... Meek ain't popping... and Ross is trying to re-ignite off of a BIGGIE classic... You make the comparison with Gucci, Zaytoven...Lex... and Drumma Boy... I do the same with Jay, Jus-Blaze,Kanye and Pharrell.

Don't get me wrong... Fat Boy has done well for himself... BUT... It's more hype than actual substance.

Well that's your opinion. I surely wouldn't state it as fact. I personally thought Wale had a decent run last year with his album and had a platinum hit single with "Bad". Not bad for a dude who sold 100k on his debut album on Interscope.

MMG just signed Tracy T and Fat Trel.....Fat Trel probably one of the biggest artists out at the time in regards to who wasn't on a major label.

I won't argue opinions though. Your opinion is MMG is Ice Cold. I guess i'll see what Rawse does on this new album to see where their buzz is at. Mastermind has been getting a lot of love.

I recall some bgol niggaz sayin that 50 and Timberlake song was gonna be a hit, how that work out?

Dudes argued me down about the Dr. Dre and Adam Levine single......told me it was gonna be #1 and have Fif album drop.....

see when i say something you gone say i hate ross u forgot master p?g-unit?cashmoney? rocafella?

wale was already established and meek mill was the hottest upcoming rapper who was signed to ti but because of ti foolishness meek went to ross. i give ross props for signing them but dont act like he build them from scratch they was already poppin. the reason why wale flopped was because interscope under shipped him. now he prolly wouldnt sold 800k but he would have done some numbers.

and you say it isnt about sales. wale, meek mill, nicky and drake all came out around the same time. nicky and drake went plat. hell even kendrick who came later than all of them went platnum. so how do u explain that?

I never said he marketed artists better than anyone. I said he did it like no one before him. Rozay has built his brand from his MMG Films division by shooting videos from their mix tapes and brands to invest in them like Ciroc. I personally haven't seen that before. Cash Money didn't do it. None of them labels did. That's just my opinion. If you can show me someone that did i'll change it.

I disagree about Meek and Wale. They weren't "established" enough to drop albums. Wale sold 100,000 while signed to Interscope with a Lady Gaga feature. He went Gold after signing to MMG.....

And TIP could do nothing with Meek Mill. Meek Mill now wasn't the Meek Mill he is then. His whole style is far more commercial and mainstream now than it was then. That's just my opinion though. Meek and Wale were goners IMO. I wouldn't give Rozay sole credit because Meek and Wale dropped some great mix tapes but it was under Rozay's supervision which is why I give Rawse that credit. All from a dude who "never sold any records...".

How do I explain how Nicki Minaj and Drake went platinum? They're pop artists. Meek and Wale don't have that type of fan base. They don't make that type of music.

FYI, Lil' Wayne sold 500,000 records and Kanye sold 600,000. Nick's last album didnt clear 1 million in sales either despite a RERELEASE.

The platinum club is only 5 people.

 

[34real]

Puffy beat Stoute up with bottles over a nas video that came out anyways and he settled out of court with him.

50s mixtapes still get downloaded and he hasn't put out anything since 2010-11.He did start it but he damn showed people how to use something that is free to their advantage like no other artist and that alone has been the standard for artist of today.

 

[Complex]

People you MUST remember...NEVER AWAKEN A SLEEPING GIANT! Once you light someone ass on fire, they come back and history will back up this theory!
NAS with STILLMATIC, LL with MAMA SAID KNOCK YOU OUT, there are others but I will mention just these two classics. Its about SHOW AND PROVE now and Stoute basically put 50's name on the line. And for those who doubt 50 (I like some of his music but not a diehard fan), he has and always have been AMBITIOUS AND HUNGRY!

If he couldn't create enough momentum for an album with songs with Dre, Em, Alicia Keys, Maroon 5 dude...his career is

Just like he couldn't make SMS Audio hot, so he brought in Melo and Timbaland

 

[vandamation]

How so? You can't make people buy a artist. Meek Mill aint' never going platinum. Shit Rick Ross ain't never going platinum. But in order to make money in this industry you don't have to go platinum. No matter what Flo Rida will NEVER be a platinum seller. Neither will Pitbull. They however are VERY profitable despite never selling more than 300,000 records.

Y'all really need to come to grips that he standard for artists is no longer "platinum" when last year Jay Z, Drake, Eminem, Macklemore and Kendrick were the only rappers who sold over 1 million records. Nicki Minaj didn't do it. J. Cole didn't. Kanye West didn't. Lil' Wayne didn't. But Rick Ross suppose to make Wale and Meek go platinum?

Rozay has his own video production company in MMG films and they've done videos for their own artists as well as other artists. They don't have to pay Colin Tilley or Hype Williams or Benny Boom to shoot 5 or 6 videos for their artists. They have the team to do it on a solid budget and not on some handheld camera shit.

Ciroc and other companies also sponsor their videos to take care of the budget of those videos.

You said he markets his artist like no one before him... I disagree...
..and while Flo and Pitbull may never go Platinum again... Ross may never go... PERIOD.

My thing is... You can't talk about his marketing genius... when his artists' numbers are so underwhelming...

If you wanna talk about 'RIGHT NOW'... TDE is killing the game... FREEBAND is the HOTTEST niggas in the south.... Chicago has a bunch of HOT new young niggas...

You talk about a video company yet 50 has Cheeta Vision... NOW... I'm only using a comparison. One guy makes music videos and the other makes movies.

The bottom line... You can't lower the bar for Ross...

The same bar that was set for ALL of these dudes... AND ladies...

MMG is no different.

I can't hold him to a different standard.

 

[K Luv]

how is Ross on top and he's never had a platinum album?

 

[Mr. Met]

Loose Change is a good entrepreneur but even he must know that his rap career is done.

 

[marcvoi]

why would steve stout dwell on 50 cent not being relevant since 2007 when 50 showed the world ways to capitalize on fame and making money outside the music industry from the profits he made in music. his alternative approach
1.nascar race car advertising his products
2.showing you ex gangsta thugs can articulate his words in speaking in a mainstream FORBES, the view, type of shows/interviews
3.headphones,vitamin water,books, indie films, a tv series that will be in the Star channel ,,, etc . instead of the usual liquor business
4.feeding somalia etc...

rick ross is relevant music wise now but is he showing you a portfolio of business and representing hip hop to masses in a positive way.Can he speak well during mainstream interviews if any mainstream interviews? only time i hear rick ross in mainstream news is getting supposedly shot at, controversial lyrics, losing reebok i think ...type of deal.
ross is suucessful and yes he carved a niche in type of music and label owner etc...im sure he is investing doing his thing but compare the two in being relevant to hip hop. (ross make dope albums but im just saying)