49ers

[largebillsonlyplease]

Baalke needs to fucking go !!!
A safety after we JUST drafted Jimmie Ward ???
Cot Damn Man !!!

3 fuckin safeties in 3 years. And he's basically just an in the box dude.

The ONLY thing i can think is they don't think ward will be a safety and he'll be a permanent nickel back. that's it.

No offense.... all these receivers and he's not getting us ONE of those big playmakers? all we need is 1 to save the damn draft.

Im actually turned around on Armstead.. him and dial will make our linebackers look fucking awesome

this guy i don't know who he is i got no tape on him never heard of him so at this point i don't know what the hell he's doing in that war room.

 

[CurtDawg]

I'm not even wasting my time watching the rest of this shit
I'm out fellas
Have a good weekend

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Kam Chancellor

 

[Bumpee]

Kam Chancellor

Dont need Kam Chancellor when you have Bethea back there. And we got too many other needs. we have legit depth at the positions drafted, and need areas at other positions.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Dont need Kam Chancellor when you have Bethea back there. And we got too many other need areas. we have legit depth at the positions drafted, and need areas at other positions.

And i dont think dude is as athletic as Chancellor.

Bathea was saying this is probably his last year.

We don't have too many need areas we just wanted some things we haven't gotten so far. we want a wr me, you, curt.. all of us are in agreement we want one of the play makers at the wr position.

WE haven't heard of him but reading up on him all around the NFL he was going to get picked in the 2nd round and actually a couple of teams tried to move up to grab him.

So far the problem is it's wait and see instead of absolutely what we wanted.. and that's a problem.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

ok i love this pick. clearly we're going to tool up on defense and sneak and get 1 of the wr's hopefully. we've got db's safeties linemen now linebackers o line has a healthy competition running backs are good we just need 1 wr that's it imo

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Clearly they feel value is left in the later rounds for offense.

Armstead I think can come right in and be a big boost for the line.

Harold is a damn beast he's going to make that olb core sick as fuck

Tartt is the one everyone is scratching their heads at but it makes sense. He's not coming in to be a safety he's coming in to be the big body that covers the tight ends in our nickel package. We don't have willis anymore and teams would simply scheme torward Wihoite. This way they can't. There's your answer to what are we going to do with Jimmy Graham Curt.


Now lets go out and get some receivers tomorrow please

 

[RoadRage]

All I can say is there is still talent on the board plus there will be draft day casualties so all isn't lost yet, there is still time for us to sign some good talent, where hopefully we can address our O-line problems..
I just don't want to go through another season wondering what we have at WR, QB, and RB, because with a shot up O-line, the best we can do is guess, on our offensive weapons. ..

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

All I can say is there is still talent on the board plus there will be draft day casualties so all isn't lost yet, there is still time for us to sign some good talent, where hopefully we can address our O-line problems..
I just don't want to go through another season wondering what we have at WR, QB, and RB, because with a shot up O-line, the best we can do is guess, on our offensive weapons. ..

nothing has been lost so far. we needed to retool and regain depth on the defense. we lost a lot of people and we've recovered from the first 3 draft picks plus players coming from injury and free agency.

now we'll address the offense more than likely a good wr. there are still a lot of them left. but the reason we're wondering about key pieces is because they didn't get used enough to even know what we have... simple as that.



we addressed the future of the defensive line

we addressed the future of the safety position (bathea is not going to play another 10 years) but in the mean time we got our tight end cover guy that we lost in willis in tartt

and we got a steal pass rusher who had a 1st round grade to boost the pass rush which will help out everyone else.

 

[Bumpee]

THis is underwhelming as hell. All these guys i feel like we could've gotten a round later. You can't tell me Blake Bell wasn't drafted too early, and we have Davis, Mcdonald (another dude i didnt like tht we drafted) and Carrier. Mike Davis reminds me of Gore, but Jake Ryan is someone we're gonna regret not selecting, just like i feel that Peters and Strong will be guys we should've selected.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

THis is underwhelming as hell. All these guys i feel like we could've gotten a round later. You can't tell me Blake Bell wasn't drafted too early, and we have Davis, Mcdonald (another dude i didnt like tht we drafted) and Carrier. Mike Davis reminds me of Gore, but Jake Ryan is someone we're gonna regret not selecting, just like i feel that Peters and Strong will be guys we should've selected.

We couldn't have. you might feel like we could have but we couldn't

2nd round teams moved up to try and specifically get Tartt. we got him and he's our answer to jimmy graham. no more willis so we need a guy to match up man to man. this gets wihoit off the field on passing downs and makes the defense stout. he's faster than his combine he was an ankle injury he wasn't fully recovered from. when healthy he ran 4.4's


3rd round Harold had a 1st round grade. There's no way we could have gotten him later and it boosts the defense again.. like the 1st 3 picks do. we can't say we lost so much and we're not going to be able to do anything on defense and then we draft defense to boost it up and gain the depth back and be mad at it can we?


Blake big tight end, remember we have a REAL tight end coach now to go with real wr coaches who can finally develop people. I look for the tight ends to be night and day from the past 4 years, sporano is a guru tight end coach.


Davis, that's gore maybe but more competition.. only the best of the best will be able to make it in the backfield

This draft may feel underwhelming because we didn't get the exact names we wanted however if you look at what they're doing and what they did you'll feel way better about it.


I am still irritated we didn't get a jalen strong or devin smith so that's not me completely letting them off the hook for that.
same time we have no idea what we have in ellington and patton because frankly they weren't coached or given opportunities to do anything under harbaugh..

ellington is a great route runner has great hands and runs a 4.3.. when we used him late in the season he scored touchdowns we just didn't use him at all during the season when it mattered. patton was a gamer when he got to play but he just didn't get to play..coaches decision we can't say it was based off talent.. just like how hyde didn't get carries when he should have.

so we have to see with the people we have

nobody in our division got any of the players we wished we had. none.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Now this is a dumb ass pick.

im fine with everything else we did.

punter is just stupid.

 

[Bumpee]

Now this is a dumb ass pick.

im fine with everything else we did.

punter is just stupid.

Shit you might as well add Smelter to that. He's 6 round material, especially coming off injury. And me and you must be hearing different stuff about Tart. He wasnt going in the 2nd round. I'm wondering if they're more worried about Reid and the concussions than they might be letting on. And Bell after we already have FIVE TE's on the roster.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Shit you might as well add Smelter to that. He's 6 round material, especially coming off injury. And me and you must be hearing different stuff about Tart. He wasnt going in the 2nd round. I'm wondering if they're more worried about Reid and the concussions than they might be letting on. And Bell after we already have FIVE TE's on the roster.

Nah Smelter is Boldin's replacement. 6'2" 11" hands and knows how to run after the catch that's his direct comparison.. a bigger boldin.

Tartt was going to the 2nd round. he was the 2nd best safety in the draft and majority people felt he was the first best safety. he'll be used as the tight end stopper. It has nothing to do with Reid it has everything to do with Bathea this might be his last good year in the league.

also

consider that they've seen the guys (thomas, bowman) etc and if they saw that they wouldn't hold up or weren't in good shape they would have drafted those positions earlier. to me not drafting those guys shows they have the confidence in the people that are there already..

the only pick i don't like is the punter.

 

[RoadRage]

Do anyone get the feeling that we are throwing shit on the wall hoping that some of it will stick?

 

[Bumpee]

Do anyone get the feeling that we are throwing shit on the wall hoping that some of it will stick?

Saw this on the SB nation 9ers board and i agree wholeheartedly:

"He always seems to want to prove that he can find what nobody else could see."


He stays on that smartest guy in the room shit, with all his redshirt players and projection selections.

 

[CurtDawg]

Do anyone get the feeling that we are throwing shit on the wall hoping that some of it will stick?

I am the first to admit to ignorance when it comes to judging OL talent, but I am at the firm belief that you sometimes have to draft a lot of them, throw the shit on the wall hopping some would stick.. Plus they get injured so often that you can never have enough... I don't know what it takes, but the point of emphasis this off-season should be giving Keap more than three sec to make decisions and throw.. If it takes something drastic such as drafting OL in the first and say third rounds, so be it.. All I know is that our situation will not change and we will not be able to fully know the talent or lack of talent we have unless we first give them a shot to be able to perform..

Yo man isn't that what you wanted Baalke to do
I don't want to hear a word RoadRage...not 1 word...LOL
With this draft he picked 2 project TE's, 2 project O-linemen, & a fucking Punter

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

defense decimated has no depth.. we fix that.

didn't land one of the wr's we wanted im disappointed in that

otherwise really good draft in the beginning.

all 3 will be key. and clearly they love what we have at corner and what we did with the ilb position because they didn't draft one.

 

[Bumpee]

And while i'm thinkin on it, why not take a flyer on Hundley?

 

[CurtDawg]

Man this draft was basically about future depth & replacing players who are getting paid too much
Most of the players we drafted are either projects or redshirt guys who probably wont even help us this year


They drafted a damn punter b/c Andy Lee is making too much money
Andy Lee's cap #s $2.5M this year, $3.3M next year with dead money $1M thisyear and $500K next year . Cap savings $1.5M this year $2.8M next year.
http://overthecap.com/player/andy-lee/54/

That WR we picked is coming off an ACL injury from December
He wont be able to play at the earliest until the bye week

I wouldn't be surprised if we picked that SS for leverage against Bethea
You can't just say he's old, he will fall off, etc.... b/c you don't know if that will happen in another 2 years
I'm sure they will try & get Bethea to take a pay cut regardless though

Arik Armstead is hella raw & will need at least a year of training
With Dockett, J.Smith, Tank, Dial, Jerrod-Eddie, & Okoye.... Armstead will probably not get much action this year

That OLB will have to compete for playing time with Aldon, Lynch, Brooks & Lemonier
I'm sure the rookie talent will be used a little as leverage when negotiating Aldon's contract

Then we take a bunch of raw & injured TE's and O-linemen in the later rounds
And what about getting a damn ILB ???
And what about our backup QB spot ???

You guys are putting a lot of faith in a roster thats made up of a bunch of injured guys & players with little to no time starting
This year should be very interesting

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Armstead is going to contribute THIS YEAR. he was not a sack master at oregon he was responsible for filling the gaps that's why his numbers look like that. he played the same role OUR defensive ends play in this system... the disruptor

Tartt is not used for leverage against bathea...have you even looked at his measurables or his tape? that is in direct response to graham. he's going to be our chancellor and he is actually more athletic than kam.


harold has nothing to do with leverage on brooks or aldon. its more pass rush which we complain about every single year about not having enough and needing more and now that we get it there's a problem.

we signed 2 free agent ILB we still have whihoite that is the competition to go along with bowman who they've seen and clearly see him being back to his old self.

the OL picks were for hopeful depth we took care of the line last year with martin and thomas

same thing with cornerbacks. they looked at who was out there and didn't feel any of those guys were better than what we had coming back in brock johnson as the starters cook was good wright is a good pickup and the other 2 who were coming on strong before injury last year.

we needed to get the depth back and we did.

armstead will contribute day 1... have an absolutely nasty d line rotation especially considering this coach will probably use tank because...well he won't be stubborn and play other people just because

and tartt will contribute as the coverage inside linebacker for effect but main responsibility is graham. and harold will be a situational pass rusher just like aldon was his 1st season.

smelter will be boldin's replacement when he decides to retire.

the punter is a dumb ass pick.


got younger on defense and offense. got bigger got stronger got faster and will be doing really good this year much to the dismay of those hoping because we don't have jim harbaugh we'll fail.

 

[Bumpee]

same thing with cornerbacks. they looked at who was out there and didn't feel any of those guys were better than what we had coming back in brock johnson as the starters cook was good wright is a good pickup and the other 2 who were coming on strong before injury last year.

I get that you on that glass half full shit but just stop. Wright was a bum for the Chargers last year. There's a reason why he wasn't an in demand FA.

I know it aint last season, but still..........

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/13/best-fantasy-cb-matchups/

But more current...

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/jan/07/shareece-wright-chargers-chiefs-raiders-krasovic/

Hell for every PI call that Smith might draw on offense, Wright might end up having the reverse effect on defense.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I get that you on that glass half full shit but just stop. Wright was a bum for the Chargers last year. There's a reason why he wasn't an in demand FA.

I know it aint last season, but still..........

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/05/13/best-fantasy-cb-matchups/

But more current...

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2015/jan/07/shareece-wright-chargers-chiefs-raiders-krasovic/

Hell for every PI call that Smith might draw on offense, Wright might end up having the reverse effect on defense.

It's not about glass half full. Wright isn't here to be the starter he's here for camp competition.

We have cook coming back who was lights out before he got hurt. we have the 2 draft picks we drafted last year who were redshirted

the starter are clearly brock and johnson
and we get to see if ward will sink or swim.

wright isn't even a determining factor for our secondary so me mentioning him wasn't saying we're depending on him to do anything. just that we were addressing the corner position long before and that nobody in the draft was better or worth a high enough pick for us to take one. we've got 8 corner's on the roster right now without drafting a single one.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

the draft goes like this for me

Armstead- contribute as a disruptor which is what we need on the line potential to be a mammoth on the front line... another one we can add to a deep line which is where the game is won.


Tartt- the direct answer to jimmy graham

Harold- mix up pass rush situational rusher getting time and keeping bodies fresh and creating interesting packages that we can use that vic simply would not


Smelter- boldin replacement also means they want to see what ellington and patton can actually do with opportunities


Everything else is just depth


Hate the punter pick- made no sense, no justification for it just a dumb move and getting too cute.

By preseason and in these games i think everyone will have a really different tune about this draft when you see how big and young and fast we are infused with the vets we already have.


teams in the NFL get old overnight and then its too late to draft for it... we make sure we DON'T fall victim to that

i seem to recall everyone hitting the panic button when we didn't bring back whitner rogers or brown

 

[AwwSchitt]

Everything else is just depth

The entire draft was depth for me. If you look at the roster, all of the starters and primary backups are in place. The only question marks were truly at CB #2 and backup ILB.

We know Baalke likes to grab injured guys and "red shirt" them hoping they'll be steals in the seasons to come. He's clearly planning for a future that could include losing Boldin, V. Davis & the other TE's, A. Brooks, Lee, etc.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Smelter. hands are off the charts. has the toughness. don't look at his stats, he went to ga tech and if you guys know ga tech they barely if ever throw the ball.

other side of that is same school calvin johnson and deymarius thomas came from

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Armstead



Note he ran a system similar to ours with similar responsibilities at oregon. his job wasn't to rush the passer it was to play his responsibility and take up double teams to keep the linebackers clean. so these highlights will show more sacks than anything but that wasn't his job just like it won't be his job with us. he's a run stopper. he's going to keep bowman clean and take up double teams so aldon can be 1 on 1

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Tartt

the pick people are going to love by the end of preseason.

robber safety for us in the single high look but most importantly he will be coverage against graham look at how he hits



back to the intimidating football people have wanted from the secondary though i think that the covering and batting down balls and intercepting 23 passes was just as good. he's a tone setter

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Eli Harold



Unstoppable motor. Says his game is like Bruce Irvin's and the highlights will agree. now add him coming in fresh giving someone like brooks or aldon a breather so they're fresh at the end of games and mix in some exotic blitz packages that see him aldon lynch and brooks rushing the passer on 3rd and long...

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

The entire draft was depth for me. If you look at the roster, all of the starters and primary backups are in place. The only question marks were truly at CB #2 and backup ILB.

We know Baalke likes to grab injured guys and "red shirt" them hoping they'll be steals in the seasons to come. He's clearly planning for a future that could include losing Boldin, V. Davis & the other TE's, A. Brooks, Lee, etc.

depth was the only reason we went 8-8 last season. people not realizing what 20 people on IR would do to any other team....

i truly believe that the top 3 picks will be more than just depth they'll see some significant action going forward.

i disagree at cb#2 though. Johnson proved he's a starter at outside cornerback in this league. he didn't struggle at all while outside not 1 game. he did in the slot... and that's why you don't put him in the slot lol

 

[AwwSchitt]

depth was the only reason we went 8-8 last season. people not realizing what 20 people on IR would do to any other team....

Agreed. I was saying this to a homie of mine who after the season. I'd like to see any team overcome the losses we had throughout the roster.

I'd like to see how Tomsula handles the rookies. Harbaugh wouldn't let them on the field. If he gets them in the mix more that would be an immediate thumbs up from me.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

Agreed. I was saying this to a homie of mine who after the season. I'd like to see any team overcome the losses we had throughout the roster.

I'd like to see how Tomsula handles the rookies. Harbaugh wouldn't let them on the field. If he gets them in the mix more that would be an immediate thumbs up from me.

they already said everyone will be used somehow. no more stashing people on the bench. find out each players strength and put them on the field to do that strength. common sense that we've been missing the past 4 seasons can do wonders

 

[Bumpee]

I wonder if they're gonna use Bell as a goal line threat. He was pretty good with that at Oklahoma.

 

[AwwSchitt]

they already said everyone will be used somehow. no more stashing people on the bench. find out each players strength and put them on the field to do that strength. common sense that we've been missing the past 4 seasons can do wonders

Saying it and doing it are 2 different things however. September 14th will be a very telling game for us fans.

 

[largebillsonlyplease]

I wonder if they're gonna use Bell as a goal line threat. He was pretty good with that at Oklahoma.

did you know that we never ran goal line red zone offense during practices as an emphasis over the past 4 years? showed up in game didn't it?

Saying it and doing it are 2 different things however. September 14th will be a very telling game for us fans.

well by all accounts this coaching staff is preaching cohesion on both sides of the ball. and we've got competent people at position coaches. really excited to see what sporano does with the tight ends and the guy who helped odb jr and landry be ready made nfl wr's does with our core because those 2 positions have been severely undercoached

to go along with retaining rathman


defensive side we're on par with what we had and that's all we really needed.