Lol based solely on that no. But.who argued that?
Is it a factor? Absolutely, hell its why Tony Allen has been in the league at all.
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Is it a factor? Absolutely, hell its why Tony Allen has been in the league at all.
Lol. Your going to tell I'm lying cause you feel different lol. He can and that's a fact.alridge would not get 45. He could easily guard centers but he's not asked to and I've actually seen him guard 4 and do a good job.
There is a huge difference. Only elite quickness exposes him, but his ability to recover, deflect balls, bb IQ give him an edge, and no none else in the league save for LeBron can even entertain guarding 1-5 even in "Spurts"
Why didn't they put him on Marc Gasol when he was giving the team that work?
Cause he cannot guard big men in the post. He might be able to guard a "stretch" 4 meaning a dude who won't bang. but he can't guard a 4 or a 5 who wants to get to the rim that's just what it is.
You talking about a 6'7 wing player body cat easily guarding 6'10 and 7' cats. it's just not true man. and that doesn't detract from him being the best perimeter defender in the nba bar none. cause he is.
Aldridge would get 45 on him if Aldridge had Leonard on him in the post and they consistently fed him the ball
Aldridge is 6'11 with a great 10-15 foot jumper he would be shooting over a chair and there would be nothing leonard could do about it
and it's not a slight on leonard and it don't mean he ain't a great defender.
Where was the bias.. ? I provided you 6 years worth of footage of him locking down HOF level players, went over his resume of defensive accomplishments, then illustrated that i said the same thing last year against similar doubts and was proven right per usual.
Dray aint guarding front court players end to end. Period. Im not disputing his skillset or defensive ability... Hes in the conversation, but when put up against Kawhi he aint winning the argument.
Again, you are cherry picking games.. Im giving you a nightly account of what Kawhi does.. And he does it with mediocre teammates. Theres a debate that Dray wasnt even the best fucking defensive player on his team this season.. and you talking DPOY. Nigga shutup.
I wouldn't go that far.
Simple answer. Because he is there best offensive weapon. Would make no sense at all to put him on Gasol and allow him to be wore down. He maybe 6'7" but his wing span and hand size would make up for his lack of height on some bigs. Again alridge is not getting 45
Nah man... Barkley just worded the shit poorly. I thought he was unsympathetic as well when i heard the soundbite. But after watching the entire segment his point was clear. His use of "bad look" is what got him in trouble. He actually meant "bad sign". He thought his emotions would prevent him from focusing on the game. Barkley just doesnt have an extensive vocabulary to express himself. He even misused "sympathetic" when he meant "empathetic".
He can and does.
AD guard himself. Bitch miss 20 games a year.
Exactly.
Bingo. No one stat should be used or cherry picked when it helps your argument.
Yep. Like i said "footspeed".
Kawhi can guard post players... He would just take too much of a beating doing so. And on a team where he is also the best offensive option you cant do that. He doesnt have the luxury that Dray does. And again, no knock on Dray... hes 1st team defense.. He just cant do what Kawhi does.
Bingo.
Wingspan>>>>>>>>>>>>height
His wingspan, lateral quickness and footspeed are literally unmatched in the league.
Wilt always credits this as the edge in defense and rebounding.
I agree with him not doing it overall all the time too much of a beating.
I don't agree that he would be a viable option to guard a post player in the post.
and none of this takes anything away from his defensive prowess I am on record as being a leonard fan before 99% of the fools saying his name now even thought of him
way back when niggas was saying well it's the system.
i have the receipts if i need to show them.
I just noticed your sig after reading this post. Funny how the brain works.
But yea... wingspan is one of the most important measurables in that regard.. Draymont has a great defensive wingspan as well.
Wilt broke it down clearly. If you look at most of the DPOY and rebounding champs. Most are under 7 feet. Think DeAndre, Rodman, Dwight, K Love, Bill Russell, etc none of them are 7 feet. He stated most rebound champs are between 6'8-6'11. DPOY winners like Kawhi, Artest, Moncrief, Jordan, etc most arent 7 feet either. Wingspan and effort matter more. This is why cats like Shaq, Manute Bol, Bradley etc never won rebounding titles because height alone means nothing. As he put it, most 7 footers are not very agile. It also puts in perspective how rare it was for him to lead the league 11 times and be the defensive force he was
Y'all dnt want to see the beasts from the East
If what you say is true than Draymond isn't even being considered... right?
You old calcified fool.
Lenord performance slipped this year, Draymonds improved.
Draymond defense has clamped down entire teams, as well as positions 1-5... and lead directly to WINS he's the best switching defender in the league in many moons.
Oh and as far as wingspan
Rudy gobert has a bigger wingspan than wilt
Rudy gobert has a bigger wingspan than wilt
He and Kawhi are probably lead dogs in the race. Ive said several times i dont discount his defensive prowess. Kawhi is more deserving imo.
Many moons? Wtf... Why are you talking like a star wars character? You fucking loser.
http://nba.nbcsports.com/2017/04/17...f-loss/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Grizzlies’ Mike Conley says Game 1 loss to Spurs “felt like a done-for-the-year type of loss”
Conley told the Commercial Appeal he took the loss hard.
“Didn’t sleep really, man,” he said. “It felt like a done-for-the-year type of loss.”
That said, Conley said he’s prepared for Game 2 Monday night.
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$153million dollars ladies and gentlemen
Grizzlies’ Mike Conley says Game 1 loss to Spurs “felt like a done-for-the-year type of loss”
Conley told the Commercial Appeal he took the loss hard.
“Didn’t sleep really, man,” he said. “It felt like a done-for-the-year type of loss.”
That said, Conley said he’s prepared for Game 2 Monday night.
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$153million dollars ladies and gentlemen
yea but he hurt.
Is that really the cross comparison we're going with here?
A dude who isn't elite offensively but is pretty good?
K.D. locked up Green last year too and he ain't as good defensively as Leonard is yet.
Ak_rep where u at?
Wanted to see what folks would have to say. Folks on here cross shit all the time
yea not like that lol
draymond offense is actually OKish he can score he isn't elite at scoring and Leonard is an elite defender not because he can lock of dudes who can get a couple buckets but because he can lock up dudes who are elite and skilled at doing so.
like a better cross comparison is him v paul george though george has the height on him a tad the way george plays is wing so who'd lock who up better is the better cross comparison.
imo
Here some Shaq with his dumb ass analysis
he JUST SAID every star takes the shot
then kenny corrects him and his dumb ass says "that's just what i just said"
he JUST SAID every star takes the shot
then kenny corrects him and his dumb ass says "that's just what i just said"
And then here come Shaq talking about "I know what it takes to win on that level" LOL
Kobe would be so much better.
Kobe would be so much better.
Pacers encouraged for Game 2 vs. Cavaliers
CLEVELAND -- The Cavaliers have never lost a playoff series they led 2-0. When winning the first game of any series, Cleveland has advanced 15 out of 16 times.
Tack on the fact that LeBron James has never lost a first-round series, is 45-7 lifetime in opening-round games and has won the last 18. Yes, it would seem the Indiana Pacers are in trouble in their Eastern Conference first-round matchup against the Cavaliers.
But they were inches from being in a decidedly different position.
"When you are down one with ball, you have to execute the play and hit the shot. We didn't do that," Pacers coach Nate McMillan said, looking back at the Cavs' 109-108 win in Game 1 on Saturday.
Game 2 is at Monday night at Quicken Loans Arena.
"I do feel like we let one slip away," McMillan said.
The Pacers lost when C.J. Miles missed an open 14-footer at the buzzer. But they also went scoreless for nearly three minutes toward the end of the fourth quarter after Jeff Teague's 3-pointer put Indiana ahead 105-103 with 3:31 left.
The Cavs say they made the play they wanted to make at the end, forcing Pacers star Paul George to give the ball up to Miles, who was initially covered before shaking free from Richard Jefferson just before releasing the ball.
Nevertheless, Cleveland was dangerously close to losing its fifth consecutive game, dating back to the regular season. The Cavs also nearly dropped another game in which they held a double-digit lead in the fourth quarter, and they almost coughed up home-court advantage in the series.
"He missed, we won," James said.
James was mostly brilliant in Game 1, posting 32 points, 13 assists and six rebounds in 43 minutes. He needs 37 points to pass Kobe Bryant (5,640 points) for third place in NBA playoff scoring history, and needs two more rebounds to pass Robert Parish (1,765 rebounds) for eighth in postseason history.
The Cavs have areas of concern, however. Kyrie Irving scored 23 points to go with six assists but shot 11 of 27 from the field. Kevin Love scored 15 of his 17 points in the first half and finished with just four rebounds.
Cleveland shot just 14 of 27 from the foul line. Kyle Korver, the league's top 3-point shooter this season, made the only shot he took on Saturday -- and it wasn't even a 3-pointer. The Pacers scored 19 points on the Cavs' 11 turnovers, and Indiana won the rebounding battle 41-34.
"I thought defensively we were pretty good outside the loose balls they got, the offensive rebounds and put-backs, the 50/50 balls we didn't get to they scored on," Cavs coach Tyronn Lue said. "Just clean those things up and it'd have been a different game. Eleven turnovers for 19 points and then missing 13 free throws wasn't good for us, either. But we found a way to pull the game out, and we'll be better."
The Cavs led by 12 late in the third quarter Saturday and by 10 with 9:06 to go. An adjustment the Pacers made was moving Lance Stephenson, who has a history against James in the playoffs, to a prime spot in Indiana's offense. Stephenson, a reserve for the Pacers since signing as a free agent late in March, played all 12 minutes of the fourth quarter and scored eight of his 16 points.
It's time for the Cavs to make an adjustment there, too.
"We were just trying to keep them in front of us and I think that worked," McMillan said. "They had to shoot contested twos. LeBron was able to get into the paint and score on some of those occasions, but it allowed us to get back into this game and eventually have a chance to win."
CLEVELAND -- The Cavaliers have never lost a playoff series they led 2-0. When winning the first game of any series, Cleveland has advanced 15 out of 16 times.
Tack on the fact that LeBron James has never lost a first-round series, is 45-7 lifetime in opening-round games and has won the last 18. Yes, it would seem the Indiana Pacers are in trouble in their Eastern Conference first-round matchup against the Cavaliers.
But they were inches from being in a decidedly different position.
"When you are down one with ball, you have to execute the play and hit the shot. We didn't do that," Pacers coach Nate McMillan said, looking back at the Cavs' 109-108 win in Game 1 on Saturday.
Game 2 is at Monday night at Quicken Loans Arena.
"I do feel like we let one slip away," McMillan said.
The Pacers lost when C.J. Miles missed an open 14-footer at the buzzer. But they also went scoreless for nearly three minutes toward the end of the fourth quarter after Jeff Teague's 3-pointer put Indiana ahead 105-103 with 3:31 left.
The Cavs say they made the play they wanted to make at the end, forcing Pacers star Paul George to give the ball up to Miles, who was initially covered before shaking free from Richard Jefferson just before releasing the ball.
Nevertheless, Cleveland was dangerously close to losing its fifth consecutive game, dating back to the regular season. The Cavs also nearly dropped another game in which they held a double-digit lead in the fourth quarter, and they almost coughed up home-court advantage in the series.
"He missed, we won," James said.
James was mostly brilliant in Game 1, posting 32 points, 13 assists and six rebounds in 43 minutes. He needs 37 points to pass Kobe Bryant (5,640 points) for third place in NBA playoff scoring history, and needs two more rebounds to pass Robert Parish (1,765 rebounds) for eighth in postseason history.
The Cavs have areas of concern, however. Kyrie Irving scored 23 points to go with six assists but shot 11 of 27 from the field. Kevin Love scored 15 of his 17 points in the first half and finished with just four rebounds.
Cleveland shot just 14 of 27 from the foul line. Kyle Korver, the league's top 3-point shooter this season, made the only shot he took on Saturday -- and it wasn't even a 3-pointer. The Pacers scored 19 points on the Cavs' 11 turnovers, and Indiana won the rebounding battle 41-34.
"I thought defensively we were pretty good outside the loose balls they got, the offensive rebounds and put-backs, the 50/50 balls we didn't get to they scored on," Cavs coach Tyronn Lue said. "Just clean those things up and it'd have been a different game. Eleven turnovers for 19 points and then missing 13 free throws wasn't good for us, either. But we found a way to pull the game out, and we'll be better."
The Cavs led by 12 late in the third quarter Saturday and by 10 with 9:06 to go. An adjustment the Pacers made was moving Lance Stephenson, who has a history against James in the playoffs, to a prime spot in Indiana's offense. Stephenson, a reserve for the Pacers since signing as a free agent late in March, played all 12 minutes of the fourth quarter and scored eight of his 16 points.
It's time for the Cavs to make an adjustment there, too.
"We were just trying to keep them in front of us and I think that worked," McMillan said. "They had to shoot contested twos. LeBron was able to get into the paint and score on some of those occasions, but it allowed us to get back into this game and eventually have a chance to win."
I like Indy's chances tonight. Cleveland aint that good.
I don't like Indy's chances tonight.
I'm mad you guys didn't make it though I think you'd beat the Celtics as well and Spo is my coach of the year
Im done with the Heat after how they did Wade.
Noted my brother.
Feel the same about the 49ers.
If they draft Watson I might come around
I cant go back to rooting for Cac qb's who are inferior
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