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This ninja Shaddy yapping now...wow
Could've sworn you was the nickname of ole boy that fought last night last week...
Very simple.
Watch Golden State for example. Golden State typically starts their offense with about 20 seconds on the shot clock and the ball rarely sticks to one side of the court. Cleveland typically will start their offense with about 10 seconds left. What is also noticeable or lack there of from the Cavs is ball and player movement. Many times the Cavs will have 4 players simply standing on one side of the court with and one player dribbling the ball in iso on the other side with little to no movement from the Cavs.
Curry never dribbles more that a few times before he starts the offense. Often times he does not even bring the ball up court and as soon as GSW crosses half court they are in their offense. The Cavs walk the ball up, dribble for several seconds and then start the offense with about 10 seconds left. When you add no movement it makes them easy to defend.
Here is the MLK game. Watch the shot clock closely and the time it take GSW and the Cavs to start their offense. GSW starts their offense around 20 seconds and the Cavs around 8 to 10.
What you will notice is that all 5 players of GSW are moving at all times while the Cavs can have as much as 3 to 4 players doing nothing
This is my issue. Great teams don't need please copped for them all the time. Spurs, have had injuries, their players are aging, they have new pieces which needed to be indoctrinated into the system, yet they are playing BETTER than last year. People want to blame Blatt, etc., when in reality just like I said the Cavs are not a great team ultimately. It seems like EVERY TIME they have to step up and play a GREAT team, after they take the L their are always a bundle of excuses and pleas copped. From, they need to play with a sense of urgency... GREAT TEAMS ALWAYS DO!!!, they play to the level of their competition, yet when they play better teams this all of a sudden is not the case... There is absolutely nothing about them that makes me believe they are serious contenders. They are an extremely imbalanced team, with no players out side of LeBron and Kyrie who are above average in any area of the game. They basically are the sacrificial lamb for whoever makes it out of the West in the finals. If the games they were losing to elite teams were competitive with a few 'the game would be different if it went the other way' plays I would buy this shit.... they are getting their asses kicked, and that my friend is not a quick fix...
They run different sets, in a half court set you tend to milk the clock, similarly to how a running ball control team does if football, as opposed to a run and shoot type offense.. This is not the problem with the CAvs, nor is getting blown out, because ball control teams tend to get blown out when they fall behind early...
The CAvs problem is failing to execute the fundamentals, allowing too much dribble penetration, missing open looks, and free throws.. No matter what type of offense you run, your not going to win shit executing the way the Cavs have been during their loses..
Not a quick fix bro.
They have zero shooters. Bron has had shooters to kick to whenever he was in trouble , so that aspect is not there. Secondly, they lack in chemistry which is very important when it comes to execution at the end of games. Third, they have no identity. The top two teams have an identity. They know who they are and what they can do. The Cavs take on the personality of Bron, but the players can't play like him, other than Kyrie. Forth, they have some low IQ basketball players that aren't reliable the entire game. Well coached teams will have no problem exposing the weakness of the Cavs role players. Fifth, they have a new coach and Lou has an up hill battle for the rest of the season. Sixth, injury prone.
You saying these boys need to play with a sense of urgency, but the two elite are coasting without struggle or lose of identity. GS or the Spurs will be on a totally different level of play when the playoffs come. Hell, the Cavs have to worry about a couple of teams taking them out in the east. the Spurs aren't totally clear of the clippers or OKC.
Cavs need another season, bro. Should have never signed Tristan for 90.
Things could change this year, ya never know how things will pan out...
Lebron have had a few short comings in the finals, but one thing we do know this been the case for some time.
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Things could change this year, ya never know how things will pan out...
Lebron have had a few shirt comings in the finals, but one thing we do know this been the case for some time.
Of course anything can happen, thats why the games are played, but thats very different from declaring them to be over, this early in the season especially after what happened last year...
Older than largebills... I know that.
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I like what Lue said after the game.
I don't think we're in good enough shape," Lue said. "I think early, we wanted to push it, we wanted to open the floor, and I think we came out and did that, and then I think we just dropped off the map. I think we got tired."
Lue noted that his players, including LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love, "wanted to come out early." Not only did having his players ask for early substitutions throw off Lue's planned rotation patterns, the Cavs' collective conditioning led to poor results on the offensive end when they sped up the game.
If he comes in and starts putting "foot to ass", shit might improve.
I don't think we're in good enough shape," Lue said. "I think early, we wanted to push it, we wanted to open the floor, and I think we came out and did that, and then I think we just dropped off the map. I think we got tired."
Lue noted that his players, including LeBron James, Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love, "wanted to come out early." Not only did having his players ask for early substitutions throw off Lue's planned rotation patterns, the Cavs' collective conditioning led to poor results on the offensive end when they sped up the game.
If he comes in and starts putting "foot to ass", shit might improve.
You were right for a change
Season is half over so this its still early' argument is running out of steam bruh, and the Cavs are STILL getting blown out at home... still trying to figure things out?!?! It's not like the other 'elite' teams are gonna fold up just because the Cavs have 'figured out' whatever it is you think they don't know yet...
Well I like the playing faster aspect...
Don't mean it had to be a run and gun show...just a faster pace then pervious
So I'll give Lue a fist bump for this idea...
They led in fast break point maybe 16 to 3... Not saying a whole lot when the Bulls don't push...
Don't mean it had to be a run and gun show...just a faster pace then pervious
So I'll give Lue a fist bump for this idea...
They led in fast break point maybe 16 to 3... Not saying a whole lot when the Bulls don't push...
I guess this explains why they are in first place...Season is half over so this its still early' argument is running out of steam bruh, and the Cavs are STILL getting blown out at home... still trying to figure things out?!?! It's not like the other 'elite' teams are gonna fold up just because the Cavs have 'figured out' whatever it is you think they don't know yet...
True... and you don't hear ANY OTHER 'elite' team spending so much time in front of the media explaining whats wrong with them, coppin so many pleas OR getting beat by 30-40 points at home either...
If this were the Spurs, Clippers or OKC it would be a non issue, but the media likes to hype a lot of the Cavs shit... Look the Cavs have problems, many of them I already addressed but lets not get all chicken little and think the sky is falling down, once again....True... and you don't hear ANY OTHER 'elite' team spend so much time in front of the media explaining whats wrong with them and coppin so many pleas either...
Unfortunately for the plea coppin crew it is NOT any of those teams, so miss me with that what if shit.... and please, PLEASE don't start that other whining 'every body is against the CAVS', 'Poor us' shit either, thats shit is weak and pathetic too. Indicative again, of how not on the level of the real elite teams they are. I'm not IN the media and watch games for myself, and this CAVs team is a glorified version of the first go round in Cleveland for LeBron
Who are these people copping excuses or saying everyone is against the Cavs?Unfortunately for the plea coppin crew it is NOT any of those teams, so miss me with that what if shit.... and please, PLEASE don't start that other whining 'every body is against the CAVS', 'Poor us' shit either, thats shit is weak and pathetic too. Indicative again, of how not on the level of the real elite teams they are. I'm not IN the media and watch games for myself, and this CAVs team is a glorified version of the first go round in Cleveland for LeBron
The Cavs are not milking the clock, did you watch the video I posted? Starting the offense late is not milking the clock, that is poor execution. Within the 24 second shot clock is does not matter when the ball is shot as long as it is a good shot. But it does matter when the offense is not started until the 24 second clock is down to 10 seconds, in which Cleveland routinely does. How much execution do you think can be made with only 10 seconds left on the shot clock?
The Cavs are not going to win if
- They continue to start their offense late
- Have 3 to 4 players on one side of the floor watching while another player goes ISO on the other side
- Take better shots (Which would require them to run an offense)
Dude this is your exact quote "If this were the Spurs, Clippers or OKC it would be a non issue, but the media likes to hype a lot of the Cavs shit."
So to anwer your question YOU are one of those people... Stop it with that shit Dude...
Damn these dudes got an excuse for everything.
Are they going to blame the moon and the stars next
There are plenty of teams that have won operating off the half court set... My thing is they have to know when to do it and when to speed things up... Last year they seem to do a better job of mixing up tempo, this year they seem to be content at always slowing things down, no matter what the match up is.. To their credit perhaps they are doing this to save their legs, and a long as they have a lead in the east perhaps they will save their legs for the playoffs...
I don't necisarrily agree with this tactic, however if it is what they are doing, I at least understand the thinking..
My statement explains the attention that the Cavs are getting, not some excuse for losing, you do understand that, don't you...
How is that an excuse, this is something he feels need to be done... Just like if you do bad in a test and decide that you need to study more, this is not an excuse, an excuse would be that you failed because the teacher does not like you...Damn these dudes got an excuse for everything.
Are they going to blame the moon and the stars next
My statement explains the attention that the Cavs are getting, not some excuse for losing, you do understand that, don't you...
Your statement would have been to that point, if you didn't use the other teams as an attempt to make a comparative assessment to validate the fact that the Cavs are being 'victimized'... if you struggle to clearly make a point OR you try to move the goal post or change the 'meaning' of your post when called on the bullshit your trying to slip in, it is what it is....
Man shit is ridiculous! Next, LeBron is going to blame an alien invasion or I 'heard' the water in their training facility is pumped in from Flint... Shit is pathetic, you know.... for an 'elite' team to be coppin so man pleas...Damn these dudes got an excuse for everything.
Are they going to blame the moon and the stars next
I used other teams that have had losing streaks that went virtually unnoticed by the media.. I understand LeBron is such a big name that what ever happens to him pro and con is always exaggerated... But for the same reason you never see me in the watch LeBron dunk on this fool thread, is the same reason you don't see me doing the chicken little shit now...Your statement would have been to that point, if you didn't use the other teams as an attempt to make a comparative assessment to validate the fact that the Cavs are being 'victimized'... if you struggle to clearly make a point OR you try to move the goal post or change the 'meaning' of your post when called on the bullshit your trying to slip in, it is what it is....
I don't go overboard like most fans, I call it the way I see it, based off the evidence, once the evidence change so does my opinion... Im not like some of you guys stuck in some shit then when you are proven wrong, you have to hop on the dick of the next team, doing this shit over and over again until you get lucky and be right..
Remember last year how folks swore up and down the Bulls were going to beat the Cavs, then it was the Hawks who was supposed to beat the Cavs, and yet these same clowns hail themselves as the next Nostradamus as soon as the Warriors beat them, demanding the Cavs fans to own up to the loss.. Funny they never own up to all their loses in between...
In reality the only folks who were able to pop shit were, the real Warrior fans.... Now pull out an excuse for why that wasn't the case last year?????
Enter the crickets...
You typed all this shit basically to validate your whining! Using other teams to validate a point instead of letting it sit on it's own merit is.... WHINING! If the media is 'picking' on the CAVs, riddle me this, if they weren't an underwhelming 'elite' team, and weren't making all kinds of excuses for themselves, would their be material for whomever you are accusing of victimizing the poor Cavs, to use?!?! Also, that hop on dick weak shit is pathetic too. That's actually another form of whining as well, a person can appreciate a team or players play and it doesn't mean they are bandwagoning but I'll go ahead and let someone else with the patience to deal with that juvenile bullshit...
Anyway, I stand by my point regardless of all the analytics you try to present, on the court, the Cavs have PROVEN they are not an elite team, are at least one maybe two levels below the real elite teams, and should be grateful they are playing in the east, because they are no better than a 7th or 8th seed in the west. Its ridiculous the real disparity between them and the other real championship contenders, and having LeBron on the team gives the illusion they are better than they really are...
Stop with the strawman argument bullshit, you know I am smarter than that.... I never said that the media was picking on the Cavs, I said they give the Cavs and every other more coverage than most teams...
Picking on them would be only reporting negative hype while ignoring the positive...
My I don't buy into any of the hype, negative or positive, but it seems like folks love to unload on them when they do hear some negative shit... This is why I say calm the fuck down and worry about your team...
Aren't you a 6ers fan anyways? If so why you spend more time on the Cavs than them?
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