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Naw he said something like "some of the players seem to think they're (the Cavs) are entitled to make it back to the finals", also said "the warriors are playing motivated and hungier than then them and it should've be like that because they haven't won anything"...

I think LeBron is forced to play ra ra coach this year, to motivate the Cavs to play above their talent as opposed to encouraging the Heat to play to the level of their talent.. In other words they are going to have to make up for their lack of athleticism by playing harder and making less mistakes..
 
I think LeBron is forced to play ra ra coach this year, to motivate the Cavs to play above their talent as opposed to encouraging the Heat to play to the level of their talent.. In other words they are going to have to make up for their lack of athleticism by playing harder and making less mistakes..



Yea he know they have be consistent, play hard and everybody be ready to play when called. Also stop playing soft...


They have the tool to be great, they just have to play that way and not think teams gonna lay down for them. They gotta make teams lay down, that's what I gather his message is...
 
The comparisons to the 72-10 Bulls need to stop after the records are mentioned
Warriors got a nice squad...but that franchises resume doesnt stack up with the big boys.

But yea....
No Rose, No brooks...thought we wouldve got blown out by more actually.

This one doesnt sting....
Bulls played some good D....which is why they didnt get blown out. But I look forward to the day that that Freddy H "free flowing offense" shows up. So far this year.....Good d..mediocre o.....not much has changed from the Tom Tibby days. Some of our issues has to do with players more than "offensive schemes".

But hey.... its early.
Imho..we're still the best in the East.

GL with chasing History, Warriors fans!!

BULLS!!!
 
The comparisons to the 72-10 Bulls need to stop after the records are mentioned
Warriors got a nice squad...but that franchises resume doesnt stack up with the big boys.

But yea....
No Rose, No brooks...thought we wouldve got blown out by more actually.

This one doesnt sting....
Bulls played some good D....which is why they didnt get blown out. But I look forward to the day that that Freddy H "free flowing offense" shows up. So far this year.....Good d..mediocre o.....not much has changed from the Tom Tibby days. At this point i think it has more so to do with players than it doest offensive schemes.

But its early.!!!
Imho..we're still the best in the East.
BULLS!!!


Best in East...shit I think Toronto and Miami is ahead of y'all which ain't that bad saying y'all running a new system
 
Yea he know they have be consistent, play hard and everybody be ready to play when called. Also stop playing soft...


They have the tool to be great, they just have to play that way and not think teams gonna lay down for them. They gotta make teams lay down, that's what I gather his message is...

They are allowing way too much dribble penetration and this is due to the fact that their back court have slow footed defenders... The when you factor in the slow feet of Love and Mosgov then you can see how this can be a problem..
Often when teams look soft, its due to them not stopping dribblers from attacking the heart of the paint..
The good news is that Irving and Shumpert both have very fast feet and are both athletic enough on the other side to push the ball and collaps the defense in the paint..
So they should still win game cruising in the east, however they will not hit full stride, or play the ball LeBron wants to play until they get more speed on both sides of the ball..
 
The comparisons to the 72-10 Bulls need to stop after the records are mentioned
Warriors got a nice squad...but that franchises resume doesnt stack up with the big boys.

But yea....
No Rose, No brooks...thought we wouldve got blown out by more actually.

This one doesnt sting....
Bulls played some good D....which is why they didnt get blown out. But I look forward to the day that that Freddy H "free flowing offense" shows up. So far this year.....Good d..mediocre o.....not much has changed from the Tom Tibby days. Some of our issues has to do with players more than "offensive schemes".

But hey.... its early.
Imho..we're still the best in the East.

GL with chasing History, Warriors fans!!

BULLS!!!

Stfu even Jordan will tell you to remove your head from his ass and live in the now. Chicago basketball fans love to talk about yesterday
 
The comparisons to the 72-10 Bulls need to stop after the records are mentioned
Warriors got a nice squad...but that franchises resume doesnt stack up with the big boys.

But yea....
No Rose, No brooks...thought we wouldve got blown out by more actually.

This one doesnt sting....
Bulls played some good D....which is why they didnt get blown out. But I look forward to the day that that Freddy H "free flowing offense" shows up. So far this year.....Good d..mediocre o.....not much has changed from the Tom Tibby days. Some of our issues has to do with players more than "offensive schemes".

But hey.... its early.
Imho..we're still the best in the East.

GL with chasing History, Warriors fans!!

BULLS!!!

Best in The East?:lol::lol::lol:

The East comes down to brotha ball, when it counts, and y'all got a team full of white boys playing. FOH!
 
Lebron been riding Tmo, hard this year...the way he was on Rio

He been using it as tough love motivation but he recently said he's gonna have to change the way he approach motivating TMo daily.
 
Lebron been riding Tmo, hard this year...the way he was on Rio

He been using it as tough love motivation but he recently said he's gonna have to change the way he approach motivating TMo daily.
The difference is Mozgov is reacting to the dribble penetration then when he does they pass the ball to his vacated spot where his man is... Say what you want about Irvings defense, I always said that when they played at their peek it was when both Irving and Shumpert played together stiffening dribble penetration..
 
The difference is Mozgov is reacting to the dribble penetration then when he does they pass the ball to his vacated spot where his man is... Say what you want about Irvings defense, I always said that when they played at their peek it was when both Irving and Shumpert played together stiffening dribble penetration..

:lol:at Irving playing defense
 
Relax, he says that ever year, the day he changes is the day the roadrunner gets caught..

Crazy.:lol:

Give us a Rose and Butler combo, kicking ass, they're in the mix. Otherwise, no chance.:smh: Dude is foolish. Rose is sometimey and Butler isn't that offensive closer yet.
 
Crazy.:lol:

Give us a Rose and Butler combo, kicking ass, they're in the mix. Otherwise, no chance.:smh: Dude is foolish. Rose is sometimey and Butler isn't that offensive closer yet.

Missing both Rose and Brooks killed them this game, because if you cannot match Warriors scoring when the Splash brothers rest late third early 4th, then your doomed.. Many of the Bulls players are like JR Smith, only effective playing 18 mins tops... Overextend some of their players and it starts to show especially on hustling and the 50/50 balls..
 
You can still see how bigger teams who play that east coast/half court set offenses seem to give the Warriors the most trouble..

Warriors wasnt struggling they outrebounded the bulls; bulls was in game because it was a back to back game which are always tough and turnovers; otherwise it was an easy game for the warriors and u can tell by how they played they knew it also..

All three east coast teams they played against played the Warriors close..

:lol::lol::lol:which 3??:lol::lol:..dude you continue to fish; if any of those teams you talking about played the warriors in a series they would be swept easily...


They are allowing way too much dribble penetration and this is due to the fact that their back court have slow footed defenders... The when you factor in the slow feet of Love and Mosgov then you can see how this can be a problem..
Often when teams look soft, its due to them not stopping dribblers from attacking the heart of the paint..
The good news is that Irving and Shumpert both have very fast feet and are both athletic enough on the other side to push the ball and collaps the defense in the paint..
So they should still win game cruising in the east, however they will not hit full stride, or play the ball LeBron wants to play until they get more speed on both sides of the ball..

Cavs are ok defensively; Irving isnt going to improve their defense...


The difference is Mozgov is reacting to the dribble penetration then when he does they pass the ball to his vacated spot where his man is... Say what you want about Irvings defense, I always said that when they played at their peek it was when both Irving and Shumpert played together stiffening dribble penetration..

Irving plays no defense are you kidding me:lol::lol:dude just stop it...
 
:lol:at Irving playing defense

Didn't we discuss this last year...



This ain't the article I was looking for but highlight the change early in the season




Is Kyrie Irving Really Playing Better Defense?

bballbreakdown_kyrieirvingdefense.jpg

Posted by Sean TshikororoDate: December 15, 2014in: Coaching Breakdowns

Prior to the season, it became cliché to praise the offensive potential of the Cleveland Cavaliers while in the same breath question the defensive capabilities of their young stars. Such commentary only gained steam as the Cavaliers got off to a 5-7 start, struggling to find an identity on offense or any cohesion on the defensive end of the floor. While Kevin Love’s interior defense was the subject of quite a few hot takes leading into the season, Kyrie Irving’s defensive effort and ability also took considerable heat. That heat was deserved; prior to this season, Kyrie’s defense had a less-than-stellar reputation.

Irving and his team are making strides, however. Before losing back-to-back games in Oklahoma City (without LeBron James) on Thursday and in New Orleans on Friday, the Cavaliers had seemingly managed to right the ship in putting together an eight-game winning streak. Their defense was not elite during that stretch, yet improvement on that end was definitely a contributing factor to their success, and believe it or not, Irving deserves some of the credit. Kyrie made some headlines a few weeks back when he announced that he wanted to take on a bigger role on the defensive end of the floor, which primarily meant he wanted to start defending the opposing team’s top guard (an assignment that in the beginning of the season was usually going to whoever the Cavaliers were playing at the two).

To provide some perspective, over the first 12 games of the season the Cavaliers were 26th in the NBA in defensive efficiency, giving up 107 points per 100 possessions. They were even worse defensively with Kyrie on the floor, giving up on alarming 109.3 points per 100 possessions. Cleveland were 5-7 over those 12 games, and after embarrassing losses in Washington and at home versus Toronto, LeBron used the word “fragile” to describe the state of the Cavaliers.

Since then, and since Kyrie announced his desire to take on more defensive responsibility, Cleveland has been anything but fragile. During the Cavaliers’ eight game winning streak, they only surrendered 98.6 points per 100 possessions, the fifth best mark in the NBA during that period of time. Perhaps even more remarkable, since Kyrie’s “declaration of defense”, if you will, the Cavaliers have actually been better defensively when Kyrie is on the floor, giving up just 97.6 points per 100 possessions in that span. When combined with the fact that during the streak Cleveland also scored 118.5 points per 100 possessions when Kyrie was on the floor (nearly five points better than when he was off the floor during the same stretch), and you can begin to understand the reason for the Cavaliers’ resurgence.

Even in their losses to the Thunder and Pelicans, in which Cleveland’s recent defensive improvement seemed to temporarily fall by the way side, the Cavaliers were better defensively when Kyrie Irving played. Against Oklahoma City, the Cavaliers surrendered a below-league-average 106.5 points per 100 possessions (again, without LeBron) with Irving on the bench; with Irving on the floor, that number dropped to 105.1 points per 100 possessions. Against the Pelicans the Cavaliers surrendered an atrocious 129.3 points per 100 possessions, but with Kyrie on the floor that number dropped to a slightly less atrocious 123.6 points per 100 possessions.

From a big picture perspective, after 22 games this season Kyrie has a defensive real plus-minus of -0.66. This is still a negative number, but it is one trending in the positive direction after Irving’s sub-par defensive play to begin the season. It is also a far better number than the -3.38 defensive real plus-minus Irving posted last season (416th out of 437 ranked NBA players and 66th out of 75 ranked point guards). When combined with the +4.31 offensive plus-minus Kyrie is posting this season (6th best in the NBA thus far), Kyrie has an overall real plus-minus of +3.65, good for 22nd in the league and 8th best among point guards. (Last season, Kyrie’s overall real plus-minus of -1.40 was 43rd among point guards and 231st among all NBA players.)

So what exactly is Kyrie doing out on the floor that is so drastically impacting his advanced defensive metrics?
 
Anybody hear Lebron's comments about when he was on the Heat,something to the effect of in that locker room guys could just speak their mind and move on. The way he said it makes it seem like there are some sensitive cats in the Cleveland locker room.

He wanted to go home.. Can't bitch about that shit now, this is what he wanted now he got it
 
Didn't we discuss this last year...



This ain't the article I was looking for but highlight the change early in the season




Is Kyrie Irving Really Playing Better Defense?

bballbreakdown_kyrieirvingdefense.jpg

Posted by Sean TshikororoDate: December 15, 2014in: Coaching Breakdowns

Prior to the season, it became cliché to praise the offensive potential of the Cleveland Cavaliers while in the same breath question the defensive capabilities of their young stars. Such commentary only gained steam as the Cavaliers got off to a 5-7 start, struggling to find an identity on offense or any cohesion on the defensive end of the floor. While Kevin Love’s interior defense was the subject of quite a few hot takes leading into the season, Kyrie Irving’s defensive effort and ability also took considerable heat. That heat was deserved; prior to this season, Kyrie’s defense had a less-than-stellar reputation.

Irving and his team are making strides, however. Before losing back-to-back games in Oklahoma City (without LeBron James) on Thursday and in New Orleans on Friday, the Cavaliers had seemingly managed to right the ship in putting together an eight-game winning streak. Their defense was not elite during that stretch, yet improvement on that end was definitely a contributing factor to their success, and believe it or not, Irving deserves some of the credit. Kyrie made some headlines a few weeks back when he announced that he wanted to take on a bigger role on the defensive end of the floor, which primarily meant he wanted to start defending the opposing team’s top guard (an assignment that in the beginning of the season was usually going to whoever the Cavaliers were playing at the two).

To provide some perspective, over the first 12 games of the season the Cavaliers were 26th in the NBA in defensive efficiency, giving up 107 points per 100 possessions. They were even worse defensively with Kyrie on the floor, giving up on alarming 109.3 points per 100 possessions. Cleveland were 5-7 over those 12 games, and after embarrassing losses in Washington and at home versus Toronto, LeBron used the word “fragile” to describe the state of the Cavaliers.

Since then, and since Kyrie announced his desire to take on more defensive responsibility, Cleveland has been anything but fragile. During the Cavaliers’ eight game winning streak, they only surrendered 98.6 points per 100 possessions, the fifth best mark in the NBA during that period of time. Perhaps even more remarkable, since Kyrie’s “declaration of defense”, if you will, the Cavaliers have actually been better defensively when Kyrie is on the floor, giving up just 97.6 points per 100 possessions in that span. When combined with the fact that during the streak Cleveland also scored 118.5 points per 100 possessions when Kyrie was on the floor (nearly five points better than when he was off the floor during the same stretch), and you can begin to understand the reason for the Cavaliers’ resurgence.

Even in their losses to the Thunder and Pelicans, in which Cleveland’s recent defensive improvement seemed to temporarily fall by the way side, the Cavaliers were better defensively when Kyrie Irving played. Against Oklahoma City, the Cavaliers surrendered a below-league-average 106.5 points per 100 possessions (again, without LeBron) with Irving on the bench; with Irving on the floor, that number dropped to 105.1 points per 100 possessions. Against the Pelicans the Cavaliers surrendered an atrocious 129.3 points per 100 possessions, but with Kyrie on the floor that number dropped to a slightly less atrocious 123.6 points per 100 possessions.

From a big picture perspective, after 22 games this season Kyrie has a defensive real plus-minus of -0.66. This is still a negative number, but it is one trending in the positive direction after Irving’s sub-par defensive play to begin the season. It is also a far better number than the -3.38 defensive real plus-minus Irving posted last season (416th out of 437 ranked NBA players and 66th out of 75 ranked point guards). When combined with the +4.31 offensive plus-minus Kyrie is posting this season (6th best in the NBA thus far), Kyrie has an overall real plus-minus of +3.65, good for 22nd in the league and 8th best among point guards. (Last season, Kyrie’s overall real plus-minus of -1.40 was 43rd among point guards and 231st among all NBA players.)

So what exactly is Kyrie doing out on the floor that is so drastically impacting his advanced defensive metrics?

Cavs defense didnt improve until they made the mosgov trade, and then the trade with NY; take away those trades, team would have still been the same defensively..
 
pleas being copped as per usual :lol:

To the untrained eye or casual fan this was a close game. To those that know the game, the Warriors pretty much cruised to the win.
 
Cavs defense didnt improve until they made the mosgov trade, and then the trade with NY; take away those trades, team would have still been the same defensively..

Well this really ain't about the team it's about Kyrie...

It was clear dude was locked in defensive, shit want no "Glove" or anything but the effort difference was very noticeable. Well that what I saw, not say dude locked anyone down, he just manned up the opposite pg, making them play both sides of the court, hustled for loose ball, played passing lanes(resulted in steals, loose ball turnover etc...)

That's shit wasn't there before, i understand it's laughable speaking Kyrie and defense in the same phrase...but it was real
 
Cavs defense didnt improve until they made the mosgov trade, and then the trade with NY; take away those trades, team would have still been the same defensively..
It improved because both Irving and Shumpert have fast feet and fast hands, plus they had a shot blocker in the paint to help back them up..
Now they have three guards Delly, Mo and JR and they all have average or below average hand and foot speed, so as the result they are constantly beat of the dribble, causing the interior defense to collapse..
Its the same trouble that the Clippers have with Paul, Ridick and Crawford, especially during the 2nd half of games when Paul legs get tired..
 
Irving plays no defense are you kidding medude just stop it...
People confusing a great one on one defender with a great team defender..
A good one on one defender makes steals and blocks while a good team defender would over play a player forcing him into the teeth of the defense or towards his weaker side.. Now if he doesn't have the proper back up behind him, to the untrained eye you would assume that he is letting his man run by him... But once he gets the right players behind him those blow by become stops in the paint because his teammate is able to rotate over forcing him into a bad shooting position..

I said at the middle of last season before they started winning that Irving has all the tools of a good team defender... And sure nuff after Shumpert got healthy he started clicking showing his true potential..
 
Also if you noticed how dynamic the Cavs looked with Mo not playing last game and with Cunningham getting more run.. Now on paper it would seem that Cunningham for Mo would be a huge blow to the Cavs, especially on offense, due to Williams outstanding numbers, so far..
However, even with very modest numbers, the Cavs look much more robust and explosive, mainly due to the foot speed and athleticism Cunningham provides over a much slower paced Williams..
 
Also if you noticed how dynamic the Cavs looked with Mo not playing last game and with Cunningham getting more run.. Now on paper it would seem that Cunningham for Mo would be a huge blow to the Cavs, especially on offense, due to Williams outstanding numbers, so far..
However, even with very modest numbers, the Cavs look much more robust and explosive, mainly due to the foot speed and athleticism Cunningham provides over a much slower paced Williams..

Yea I been wish Cunningham would get run, but they're deep and Delly been playing really really great handle and running he offense
 
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