2013 Honda Accord debuts

[Lord T]

Shit looks boring. And this is coming from a former Accord owner.

Honda went the super safe route on this new Accord. It's very conservative and kinda bland compared to the competition. It's a Honda, and on top of that the Accord so it will sell to many based off the name alone.

Seems like the Ford Fusion will be the best looking mid-size car now

 

[MadWun]

Honda went the super safe route on this new Accord. It's very conservative and kinda bland compared to the competition. It's a Honda, and on top of that the Accord so it will sell to many based off the name alone.

Seems like the Ford Fusion will be the best looking mid-size car now

They took that Jaguar look

 

[mc2]

I'll get one as long as it runs like a Honda..

 

[CarryOn]

I own a gensis 4.6 v8...you need your eyes checked sir

you do see hints of the 7 series in the rear...

 

[slewdem100]

Styling is fine. Honda had to make sure it wasn't ugly and it isn't. It is also an upgrade of the previous version unlike the Civic which was a downgrade. As typical of Honda's it will probably look better in the flesh. The main thing is if it drives like old school Honda's or not. In addition, this spy shot shows the interior has been greatly improved...

http://vtec.net/news/news-image?image=1073687/13acc_int_kgp-02.jpg

 

[Lord T]

They took that Jaguar look

There's a reason why

Moray Callum (born 1958) is an automobile designer from Dumfries in Scotland, currently design director for Ford's North American brands' passenger cars. He is the younger brother of Jaguar Design Director Ian Callum.

Ian Cullum also designed the Aston Martin V12 Vanquish

 

[SIDESHOW]

You put Nissan in that category

Look at the evolution of the Altima and Maxima

Honda on the other hand

Toyota too

Not so much Nissan, particularly with their Infinity division.

I'm with you on Toyota and Honda. Mediocre designs.

Hyundai has crept up on them, and within a few years, I think Kia will have the refinement necessary to stomp with the big boys as well.

 

[Lord T]

You put Nissan in that category

Look at the evolution of the Altima and Maxima

Honda on the other hand

Toyota too

I would say that Nissan has done wonders with the Altima. Once they got serious about making it their premier sedan it has had a lot of success. I really like the new 2013 Altima.

The Maxima has been sort of up and down to me. And that is because the Altima now comes so close to it in size and power. I know the Maxima is still top dog of Nissan, but only if it had more to differentiate itself from its up and coming little brother. Of course it's pipe dreaming, but if they made the Maxima RWD and offered a 6 speed manual again now that separate the two nicely!

My favorite Maxima was the 2003 Maxima Titanium Edition with a 6 speed manual and limited slip diff

Now I will fault Nissan for totally forgetting about the Sentra! It use to be a major player (and I use to want a 3rd gen SE-R so bad when I was in high school) but on this last gen they mailed it in big time

Then there's the Juke

and the abomination known as the Murano Crosscabriolet. I am still wondering how this got the green light for production

 

[Complex]

Nissan is ok with the Altima, but it's a female car

And the Maxima is now just a bigger Altima

 

[bgbtylvr]

Accord has been fell off. Ugly. The Kia Optima is the car to have now

That Optima is dope as fuck!

 

[Lord T]

That Optima is dope as fuck!

It really does look good

 

[CarryOn]

^nice, but i bet the interior is basic as fuck.

 

[Lord T]

^nice, but i bet the interior is basic as fuck.

I'll let you see what you think about it

 

[CobraKai]

Beyond the boring styling, Honda has really taken the American market for granted. No innovation in engine or transmission tech. Heck, the new CR-V has a 5 speed!
It's really sad that the company that made V-tech, 4 wheel steering, type-R's etc. have lost all interest in competing and are satisfied with third tier status on their own turf.

 

[SIDESHOW]

Beyond the boring styling, Honda has really taken the American market for granted. No innovation in engine or transmission tech. Heck, the new CR-V has a 5 speed!
It's really sad that the company that made V-tech, 4 wheel steering, type-R's etc. have lost all interest in competing and are satisfied with third tier status on their own turf.

^^^
Honda/Acura was the shit. My Integra GSR was so much fun.

The Prelude, NSX, the old school Legend coupe was killn' ninjas...

Damn I miss the old Honda

 

[Lord T]

Beyond the boring styling, Honda has really taken the American market for granted. No innovation in engine or transmission tech. Heck, the new CR-V has a 5 speed!
It's really sad that the company that made V-tech, 4 wheel steering, type-R's etc. have lost all interest in competing and are satisfied with third tier status on their own turf.

If you think that's bad the current Toyota Corrola still has a 4 speed auto!

Honda use to offer the 6 speed manual on the 4 cylinder Accords, now the 4 cylinders get a CVT only, and only the V-6 gets a 6 speed manual as an option.

 

[Lick]

Rice!

 

[Lord T]

 

[AlexanderNevermind]

so folks buying kia's over honda's?

 

[Lord T]

so folks buying kia's over honda's?

Not "buying over" because the Accord is still the 2nd best selling sedan behind the Camry, but more people are looking at other cars like the Kia and Hyundai more and giving them a chance.

People are just saying that companies like Toyota and Honda are resting on their names, and playing it safe while other companies are coming out swinging hard.

Look at this, this was sales of mid-size cars from 2002 (or their first year if they were all new cars debuting):
Toyota Camry: 434,000
Honda Accord: 398,980
Ford Taurus (which was still a mid size car in 2002 and didn't become a full size car until the Fusion arrived): 332,690
Nissan Altima: 202,822
Chevy Malibu: 169,377
Mitsubishi Galant: 97,343
VW Passat: 96,142
Subaru Legacy: 85,359
Hyundai Sonata: 68,085
Mazda 626 (was still around in 2002): 40,689
Kia Optima: 26,793

Now look at the sales in 2011
Toyota Camry: 308,510
Nissan Altima: 268,981
Ford Fusion: 248,067
Honda Accord: 235,625
Hyundai Sonata: 225,961
Chevrolet Malibu: 204,808
Kia Optima: 84,590
Subaru Legacy: 42,401
Mazda 6: 35,711
VW Passat: 22,835
Mitsubishi Galant: 15,631
Suzuki Kizashi: 6,942

Kia said in Car and Driver that they would be increasing production to try to keep up with demand.

Kia sold 84,590 Optimas last year and couldn’t keep up with demand. That’s why the West Point, Georgia, plant will this year boost production by 60,000 units. Optima optimistic? More like realistic, we’d say.

 

[Tha Baldavenger]

Honda went the super safe route on this new Accord. It's very conservative and kinda bland compared to the competition. It's a Honda, and on top of that the Accord so it will sell to many based off the name alone.

Seems like the Ford Fusion will be the best looking mid-size car now

this

 

[soulcontroller]

Drove the rental Optima several times on business. Its a POS. I know the rental version did not have all of the options; however, the interior is basic and drive so was so so. Car looks better than it drives overall. I would be interested to see how that new Impala performs against the Optima.

 

[jagu]

Drove the rental Optima several times on business. Its a POS. I know the rental version did not have all of the options; however, the interior is basic and drive so was so so. Car looks better than it drives overall. I would be interested to see how that new Impala performs against the Optima.

Coming from a 550 M-sport driver, even the Lexus LS will drive like a POS

 

[BDR]

Coming from a 550 M-sport driver, even the Lexus LS will drive like a POS

That's what I'm saying the hell he expect?

And BMW need to stop selling their cars with them run flat tires... The ride on them shots are horrible

I just bought a set of good yr eagle F1 all season tires and talk about the ride drastically I
Improving.... Car hits bumps more smoother and everything

 

[BDR]

Not "buying over" because the Accord is still the 2nd best selling sedan behind the Camry, but more people are looking at other cars like the Kia and Hyundai more and giving them a chance.

People are just saying that companies like Toyota and Honda are resting on their names, and playing it safe while other companies are coming out swinging hard.

Look at this, this was sales of mid-size cars from 2002 (or their first year if they were all new cars debuting):
Toyota Camry: 434,000
Honda Accord: 398,980
Ford Taurus (which was still a mid size car in 2002 and didn't become a full size car until the Fusion arrived): 332,690
Nissan Altima: 202,822
Chevy Malibu: 169,377
Mitsubishi Galant: 97,343
VW Passat: 96,142
Subaru Legacy: 85,359
Hyundai Sonata: 68,085
Mazda 626 (was still around in 2002): 40,689
Kia Optima: 26,793

Now look at the sales in 2011
Toyota Camry: 308,510
Nissan Altima: 268,981
Ford Fusion: 248,067
Honda Accord: 235,625
Hyundai Sonata: 225,961
Chevrolet Malibu: 204,808
Kia Optima: 84,590
Subaru Legacy: 42,401
Mazda 6: 35,711
VW Passat: 22,835
Mitsubishi Galant: 15,631
Suzuki Kizashi: 6,942

Kia said in Car and Driver that they would be increasing production to try to keep up with demand.

Thr Suzuki is the most slept on car on that list

 

[soulcontroller]

Coming from a 550 M-sport driver, even the Lexus LS will drive like a POS

I try to be objective when I drive rentals on business though. Now that new Ford Taurus is the TRUTH. Best car rental I've had this year.

 

[jagu]

I try to be objective when I drive rentals on business though. Now that new Ford Taurus is the TRUTH. Best car rental I've had this year.

You know, I saw a black Taurus SHO on the highway yesterday and I liked it so much that I paced it for about 5 minutes .

 

[jagu]

That's what I'm saying the hell he expect?

And BMW need to stop selling their cars with them run flat tires... The ride on them shots are horrible

I just bought a set of good yr eagle F1 all season tires and talk about the ride drastically I
Improving.... Car hits bumps more smoother and everything

Yeah, I threw some michelins on mine and it made me love the car. I was just about to let it go. One more year from today and it's the F10 550 (445hp)

 

[BDR]

Yeah, I threw some michelins on mine and it made me love the car. I was just about to let it go. One more year from today and it's the F10 550 (445hp)

Yeah that F10 is mean juice, wouldn't mind the 6sp Manuel on that bad boy either..

 

[PaperKut]

damn now that's cold

 

[Lord T]

Thr Suzuki is the most slept on car on that list

The Kizashi has gotten mostly positive reviews. It's too bad, because at 6,942 cars sold it was Suzuki's 2nd best seller (the SX4 was the top with 12,519). Suzuki only sold 26,618 cars for all of 2011. I don't think their future in the U.S. looks too good.

 

[Lord T]

You know, I saw a black Taurus SHO on the highway yesterday and I liked it so much that I paced it for about 5 minutes .

 

[Lord T]

One more year from today and it's the F10 550 (445hp)

Yeah I read where the 4.4L V8 was going to get a 45 hp and 30 lbs. ft.-tq bump for the 2013 model year.

 

[soulcontroller]

You know, I saw a black Taurus SHO on the highway yesterday and I liked it so much that I paced it for about 5 minutes .

Man its a great ride. Ride is extremely smooth and performance is good as well. The interior is great and has lots of gadgets although I felt it relied on the touch screen too much. Ford is not playing.

 

[older version]

I own a gensis 4.6 v8...you need your eyes checked sir

That is the signature BMW Bangle butt that has been around for over a decade and C Pillar that has been around for decades sir.