$15 minimum wage would cost N.Y. up to 588,800 jobs, report says

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ALBANY — Gov. Cuomo’s plan to raise New York’s minimum wage to $15 an hour would cost the state up to 588,800 jobs if it were approved by the Legislature, a new report revealed.

New York City would lose between 95,600 and 273,800 jobs as employers cut back on hiring to offset the costs of paying higher wages to existing workers, according to the report released Thursday by Empire Center for Public Policy and the American Action Forum.

Pay increases for millions will come at the expense of lost employment opportunities for hundreds of thousands of people," said Empire Center President E.J. McMahon, calling it “an unacceptably high price to pay.”

Cuomo, with the backing of state labor leaders and Vice President Biden, announced in September that he would push for a $15-an-hour minimum wage for all workers.

The state's current $8.75 minimum wage will rise to $9 an hour at the end of the year. City fast-food workers will get $15 by 2018.

"It's no surprise this report mirrors the world view of an organization backed by the very forces that fight against every minimum wage increase and runs counter to the findings of the U.S. Labor Department, noted economists and past experience in New York,” said Cuomo spokesman Rich Azzopardi. “The Governor and a majority of New Yorkers believe that if you work full time you shouldn't be condemned to a life of poverty.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ost-n-y-588-800-jobs-report-article-1.2425079
 
ALBANY — Gov. Cuomo’s plan to raise New York’s minimum wage to $15 an hour would cost the state up to 588,800 jobs if it were approved by the Legislature, a new report revealed.

New York City would lose between 95,600 and 273,800 jobs as employers cut back on hiring to offset the costs of paying higher wages to existing workers, according to the report released Thursday by Empire Center for Public Policy and the American Action Forum.

Pay increases for millions will come at the expense of lost employment opportunities for hundreds of thousands of people," said Empire Center President E.J. McMahon, calling it “an unacceptably high price to pay.”

Cuomo, with the backing of state labor leaders and Vice President Biden, announced in September that he would push for a $15-an-hour minimum wage for all workers.

The state's current $8.75 minimum wage will rise to $9 an hour at the end of the year. City fast-food workers will get $15 by 2018.

"It's no surprise this report mirrors the world view of an organization backed by the very forces that fight against every minimum wage increase and runs counter to the findings of the U.S. Labor Department, noted economists and past experience in New York,” said Cuomo spokesman Rich Azzopardi. “The Governor and a majority of New Yorkers believe that if you work full time you shouldn't be condemned to a life of poverty.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...ost-n-y-588-800-jobs-report-article-1.2425079

The Empire Center for Public Policy is a fiscally conservative think tank and government watchdog based in Albany, ...

And Obama would destroy the United States....Obamacare would bankrupt the economy.....all conservative think tank predictions

Don't spread their fucking lies
 
And the other group this came from....



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The American Action Network — a self-described “action tank” that advocates for “center-right policies” — was founded in February 2010 before the midterm congressional elections. It was started by Norm Coleman, a former Republican senator from Minnesota, and Fred Malek, a longtime Republican fundraiser and strategist.
 
Meanwhile the other republican assholes are giving 17 billion to banks just for the fuck of it.



WASHINGTON -- The House voted overwhelmingly on Thursday to preserve $17 billion in government payouts to banks, as part of a major highway funding bill.

The GOP had initially pressed to include other bank-friendly measures in the highway bill, including a plan to hamstring the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau and deregulate large banks. Those efforts were scrapped in favor of the more straightforward $17 billion payment.

Federal highway funding has traditionally been paid for by a tax on gasoline, which has not kept pace with inflation. But the GOP has fought efforts to fund the spending with tax increases, seeking instead to offset the highway measures with spending cuts.
 
greedy billionaires don't want to share the wealth.
Pretty much. And the thing about it is it wouldn't even be shit.

What? A mere fraction of the dough they're racking in.

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How do you live in NY even making $15/hr. I could see small businesses cutting jobs, especially if consumers are not willing to incur greater costs per item or service. Billionaires gonna keep their share no matter what
 
Of course it's some right wing bullshit!
Bigman23 was the same guy who made post after post on this board supporting Herman Cain. Go back and look at his posts, they are mostly black folks fighting or posts from right wing websites.:lol::lol::lol:
 
That must be a suggestion for personal benefit.

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Not really I don't work in retail never have never will. I'm speaking with inflation, child care etc. Maybe some of these workers can't afford to study in I.T. or health care as far as schooling. I read a few books one called nikeled and dimed and also getting by on $2.00 in America. $15.00 ain't cutting it factoring in cost of living, child care etc.
 
The Empire Center for Public Policy is a fiscally conservative think tank and government watchdog based in Albany, ...

And Obama would destroy the United States....Obamacare would bankrupt the economy.....all conservative think tank predictions

Don't spread their fucking lies
Beat me to it. Posting this clown shit.
Of course it's some right wing bullshit!
Bigman23 was the same guy who made post after post on this board supporting Herman Cain. Go back and look at his posts, they are mostly black folks fighting or posts from right wing websites.:lol::lol::lol:

:lol::lol:Busted
 
Its a common ploy by companies looking to downsize to first raise salaries in order to justify trimming jobs...
 
greedy billionaires don't want to share the wealth.

I think the republicans have a point. You're right.. Greedy billionaires don't want to share the wealth... Forcing the minimum wage to $15 may work for a moment but the minute a person become more expensive than a computer or a robot they will be replaced. We are seeing it happen in retail and fast food.

1) Amazon is putting electronic shops out of business... Its more efficient to build a website than staff a store with minimum wage jobs.

2) Dominoes Pizza's app.. Cheaper to build an app and have people order directly from their phone than call in and place an order. That takes away minimum wage jobs people could have answering phones

3) Self checkout lanes.. Walmart, target and a lot of grocery stores have them. Instead of having 4 cashiers, they have 1 person watching 4 lanes.. Again this eliminates minimum wage jobs..

4) In the auto industry people have been replaced with robots as wages started to rise..


Whats next?
Fast food workers need to watch out. I was at this gas station called Buc 'ees in Texas a while back and to order food they had self service stations where you select your order on a screen and it gets sent directly to the kitchen. Again this eliminates the need for minimum wage jobs to take customer orders.

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I can easily see other fast food companies doing something similar if the minimum wage is increased.. They could easily develop a cell phone app like dominoes that allows people to order from their phone, send it to

I want people to make more money but i believe that the market should set the wage. If wages are increased then business managers are going to want more out of their employees and those with lower skill sets will be out of work when its time to make cuts.

It should be left like it is which will allow people develop their skills and if they stay on the grindstone can work their way up.
 
Of course it's some right wing bullshit!
Bigman23 was the same guy who made post after post on this board supporting Herman Cain. Go back and look at his posts, they are mostly black folks fighting or posts from right wing websites.:lol::lol::lol:



he left a trail of rat shit...:lol:
 
greedy billionaires don't want to share the wealth.


Pretty Much
The sad part is the billionaires have the government in their back pockets, so they'll probably end up winning in the end.
Hell, they'll probably cry for some government assistance and end up making even more money.

 
rich folks take their money OUT of the economy..

poor and middle class folk, keep the money circulating within

the economy..

the problem is not raising minimum wage that is the solution..


the problem is how much we paying ceo's, politicians, and how much

money are we wasting on agencies, like the cia and pentagon with no

real govt oversight...


blowing money on wars nobody in this nation needs, but few greedy warmongers,

for their personal profits.
 
I think the republicans have a point.
It should be left like it is which will allow people develop their skills and if they stay on the grindstone can work their way up.

Yes let's leave it the way it is and eventually we will have slaves again.

Let me highlight this one for your dumbass before I post the rest.

15. Since 1990, CEO compensation has increased by 300%. Corporate profits have doubled. The average worker’s salary has increased 4%. Adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage has actually decreased.

35 soul-crushing facts about American income inequality

1. In 81 percent of American counties, the median income, about $52,000, is less than it was 15 years ago. This is despite the fact that the economy has grown 83 percent in the past quarter-century and corporate profits have doubled. American workers produce twice the amount of goods and services as 25 years ago, but get less of the pie.

2. The amount of money that was given out in bonuses on Wall Street last year is twice the amount all minimum-wage workers earned in the country combined.

3. The wealthiest 85 people on the planet have more money that the poorest 3.5 billion people combined.

4. The average wealth of an American adult is in the range of $250,000-$300,000. But that average number includes incomprehensibly wealthy people like Bill Gates. Imagine 10 people in a bar. When Bill Gates walks in, the average wealth in the bar increases unbelievably, but that number doesn’t make the other 10 people in the bar richer. The median per adult number is only about $39,000, placing the U.S. about 27th among the world’s nations, behind Australia, most of Europe and even small countries like New Zealand, Ireland and Kuwait.

5. Italians, Belgians and Japanese citizens are wealthier than Americans.

6. The poorest half of the Earth’s population owns 1% of the Earth’s wealth. The richest 1% of the Earth’s population owns 46% of the Earth’s wealth.

7. More locally, the poorest half of the US owns 2.5% of the country’s wealth. The top 1% owns 35% of it.

8. Inequality is a worldwide problem. In the UK, doctors no longer occupy a place in the top 1% of income earners, London plays host to the largest congregation of Russian millionaires outside of Moscow, and also houses more ultra-rich people (defined as owning more than $30 million in assets outside of their home) than anywhere else on Earth.

9. The slice of the national income pie going to the wealthiest 1% of Americans has doubled since 1979.

10. The 1% also takes home 20% of the income. This figure is the most since the 1920s era of laissez faire government (under Republicans Warren Harding, Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover).

11. The super rich .01% of America, such as Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan, take home a whopping 6% of the national income, earning around $23 million a year. Compare that to the average $30,000 a year earned by the bottom 90 percent of America.

12. The top 1% of America owns 50% of investment assets (stocks, bonds, mutual funds). The poorest half of America owns just .5% of the investments.

13. The poorest Americans do come out ahead in one statistic: the bottom 90% of America owns 73% of the debt.

14. Tax rates for the middle class have remained essentially unchanged since 1960. Tax rates on the highest earning Americans have plunged from an almost 70% tax rate in 1945 down to around 35% today. Corporate tax rates have dropped from 30 percent in the 1950s to under 10 percent today.

15. Since 1990, CEO compensation has increased by 300%. Corporate profits have doubled. The average worker’s salary has increased 4%. Adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage has actually decreased.

16. CEOs in 1965 earned about 24 times the amount of the average worker. In 1980 they earned 42 times as much. Today, CEOs earn 325 times the average worker.

17. Wages, as a percent of the overall economy, have dropped to an historic low.

18. In a study of 34 developed countries, the United States had the second highest level of income inequality, ahead of only Chile.

19. Young people in the U.S. are getting poorer. The median wealth of people under 35 has dropped 68% since 1984. The median wealth of older Americans has increased 42%.

20. The average white American’s median wealth is 20 times higher ($113,000) than the average African American ($5,600) and 18 times the Hispanic American ($6,300).

21. America’s highest incomeinequality is located in the states surrounding Wall Street (New York City) and the oil-rich states.

22. Since 1979, high school dropouts have seen median weekly income drop by 22 percent. Ethnically, the highest dropout rates are among Hispanic and African American children.

10. The 1% also takes home 20% of the income. This figure is the most since the 1920s era of laissez faire government (under Republicans Warren Harding, Calvin Coolidge and Herbert Hoover).

11. The super rich .01% of America, such as Jamie Dimon, CEO of JP Morgan, take home a whopping 6% of the national income, earning around $23 million a year. Compare that to the average $30,000 a year earned by the bottom 90 percent of America.

12. The top 1% of America owns 50% of investment assets (stocks, bonds, mutual funds). The poorest half of America owns just .5% of the investments.

13. The poorest Americans do come out ahead in one statistic: the bottom 90% of America owns 73% of the debt.

14. Tax rates for the middle class have remained essentially unchanged since 1960. Tax rates on the highest earning Americans have plunged from an almost 70% tax rate in 1945 down to around 35% today. Corporate tax rates have dropped from 30 percent in the 1950s to under 10 percent today.

15. Since 1990, CEO compensation has increased by 300%. Corporate profits have doubled. The average worker’s salary has increased 4%. Adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage has actually decreased.

16. CEOs in 1965 earned about 24 times the amount of the average worker. In 1980 they earned 42 times as much. Today, CEOs earn 325 times the average worker.

17. Wages, as a percent of the overall economy, have dropped to an historic low.

18. In a study of 34 developed countries, the United States had the second highest level of income inequality, ahead of only Chile.

19. Young people in the U.S. are getting poorer. The median wealth of people under 35 has dropped 68% since 1984. The median wealth of older Americans has increased 42%.

20. The average white American’s median wealth is 20 times higher ($113,000) than the average African American ($5,600) and 18 times the Hispanic American ($6,300).

21. America’s highest incomeinequality is located in the states surrounding Wall Street (New York City) and the oil-rich states.

22. Since 1979, high school dropouts have seen median weekly income drop by 22 percent. Ethnically, the highest dropout rates are among Hispanic and African American children.


23. In 1970, a woman earned about 60% of the amount a man earned. In 2005 a woman earned about 80% of what a man earned. Since 2005, there has been no change in that figure. African-American women earn just 64% of what a white male earns, and Hispanic women just 56%.

24. Over 20 percent of all American children live below the poverty line. This rate is higher than almost all other developed countries.

25. Union membership in the US is at an all-time low, about 11% of the workforce. In 1978, 40 percent of blue-collar workers were unionized. With that declining influence has come a concurrent decline in the real value of the minimum wage.

26. Four hundred Americans have more wealth, $2 trillion, than half of all Americans combined. That is approximately the GDP of Russia.

27. In 1946, a child born into poverty had about a 50 percent chance of scaling the income ladder into the middle class. In 1980, the chances were 40 percent. A child born today has about a 33 percent chance.

28. Despite massive tax cuts, corporations have not created new jobs in America. The job creators have been small new businesses that have not enjoyed the same huge tax breaks.

29. More than half of the members of the United States Congress, where laws are passed deciding how millionaires are taxed, are millionaires.

30. Twenty five of the largest corporations in America in 2010 paid their CEOs more money than they paid in taxes that year.

31. In the first decade of the 21st century, the U.S. borrowed $1 trillion in order to give tax cuts to households earning over $250,000.

32. In 1970, there were five registered lobbyists working on behalf of wealthy corporations for every one of the 535 members of Congress. Today there are 22 lobbyists per congressperson.

33. In 1962, the 1% household median wealth was 125 times the average median wealth. In 2010 the divide was 288 times.

34. During the Great Recession, the average wealth of the 1% dropped about 16 percent. Meanwhile the wealth of the 99% dropped 47 percent.

35. Between 1979 and 2007, the wages of the top 1% rose 10 times more than the bottom 90 percent.
 
Its a common ploy by companies looking to downsize to first raise salaries in order to justify trimming jobs...

Like these "If you raise the minimum wage, it's gonna cause gas prices to up!" people. This white kid in my Lit class said that to me, and I asked him what was the reason for gas prices going up while the minimum wage was stagnant.

*crickets*
 
Joe's Crab Shack is trying a different approach.
They are raising the wages to $14/hr.....but doing away with tips.
But....they are also raising the menu prices by 15%.
We'll see how this goes.
 
I think the republicans have a point. You're right.. Greedy billionaires don't want to share the wealth... Forcing the minimum wage to $15 may work for a moment but the minute a person become more expensive than a computer or a robot they will be replaced. We are seeing it happen in retail and fast food.

1) Amazon is putting electronic shops out of business... Its more efficient to build a website than staff a store with minimum wage jobs.

2) Dominoes Pizza's app.. Cheaper to build an app and have people order directly from their phone than call in and place an order. That takes away minimum wage jobs people could have answering phones

3) Self checkout lanes.. Walmart, target and a lot of grocery stores have them. Instead of having 4 cashiers, they have 1 person watching 4 lanes.. Again this eliminates minimum wage jobs..

4) In the auto industry people have been replaced with robots as wages started to rise..


Whats next?
Fast food workers need to watch out. I was at this gas station called Buc 'ees in Texas a while back and to order food they had self service stations where you select your order on a screen and it gets sent directly to the kitchen. Again this eliminates the need for minimum wage jobs to take customer orders.

38.jpg

348s.jpg


I can easily see other fast food companies doing something similar if the minimum wage is increased.. They could easily develop a cell phone app like dominoes that allows people to order from their phone, send it to

I want people to make more money but i believe that the market should set the wage. If wages are increased then business managers are going to want more out of their employees and those with lower skill sets will be out of work when its time to make cuts.

It should be left like it is which will allow people develop their skills and if they stay on the grindstone can work their way up.

:rolleyes:

The minimum wage hasn't been adjusted for inflation yet you're capping for billionaires and corporations that have been reducing their staff while doubling up the amount of work for their employees?

"Just be happy to have a job" has become a common phrase for employee's to hear while their companies CEO is raking in millions per year, plus stock options and a golden parachute when they leave.

Get out of here.
 
:rolleyes:

The minimum wage hasn't been adjusted for inflation yet you're capping for billionaires and corporations that have been reducing their staff while doubling up the amount of work for their employees?

"Just be happy to have a job" has become a common phrase for employee's to hear while their companies CEO is raking in millions per year, plus stock options and a golden parachute when they leave.

Get out of here.

When I was in the corporate world years ago, bonuses were down to 2-3%, as opposed to 7-8% when I got there, and my co workers were saying, "I'm just thankful to have a job." My last year at Foster Wheeler, we got 3% bonuses, and the 6 higher ups got company cars, and those slightly below them got 4 figure checks.
 
greedy billionaires don't want to share the wealth.
truth truth truth

The Empire Center for Public Policy is a fiscally conservative think tank and government watchdog based in Albany, ...

And Obama would destroy the United States....Obamacare would bankrupt the economy.....all conservative think tank predictions

Don't spread their fucking lies
exactly. OP is a coon though

Of course it's some right wing bullshit!
Bigman23 was the same guy who made post after post on this board supporting Herman Cain. Go back and look at his posts, they are mostly black folks fighting or posts from right wing websites.:lol::lol::lol:

I'm not saying Bigman23 is a cracker....but he's MOST likely a cracker.
right lol

niggas a galactic coon but he is black

that's the funniest part
 
I don't think there are many business owners on this board or else there would be a more objective viewpoint for this.

Do you know how much it costs to hire and keep employees? The actual out of pocket expenses?

Simply, if you're making a $15 an/hour salary then it's ultimately costing me around $21-23 dollars an hour to employ you. Federal and state taxes, workers compensation, etc...never mind the goddamn benefits for leave, holidays, etc. Don't forget out about the first 90 days, shit...having to shed time to interview, pay for background checks and drug tests and shit. I'm thankful I have a big book of business and reasonable tax levels here in NC but NY? Motherfucking NY? Absolutely not unless I was in like Western or Northern New York where I could get a little reprieve with the local tax rates.
 
I don't think there are many business owners on this board or else there would be a more objective viewpoint for this.

Do you know how much it costs to hire and keep employees? The actual out of pocket expenses?

Simply, if you're making a $15 an/hour salary then it's ultimately costing me around $21-23 dollars an hour to employ you. Federal and state taxes, workers compensation, etc...never mind the goddamn benefits for leave, holidays, etc. Don't forget out about the first 90 days, shit...having to shed time to interview, pay for background checks and drug tests and shit. I'm thankful I have a big book of business and reasonable tax levels here in NC but NY? Motherfucking NY? Absolutely not unless I was in like Western or Northern New York where I could get a little reprieve with the local tax rates.

try opening up a fastfood spot without zero humans..it can't happen..whose opening up and closing the gates??? whose cleaning the floors, mirrors, tables, windows, bathrooms, kitchen..when it snows whose doing the shoveling??..these big bizz try to downplay the importance of these workers but truth be told they couldn't exist without them..so the question is how important are they to their bizzness..ur importance reps whether ur pay should be higher..truth be told those bizzness need them.. a fastfood employee is as important to an eatery as a mta worker is for transportation in nyc.. and if ur from nyc they kno how it was when mta went on strike
 
The Empire Center for Public Policy is a fiscally conservative think tank and government watchdog based in Albany, ...

And Obama would destroy the United States....Obamacare would bankrupt the economy.....all conservative think tank predictions

Don't spread their fucking lies

game set match!
 
try opening up a fastfood spot without zero humans..it can't happen..whose opening up and closing the gates??? whose cleaning the floors, mirrors, tables, windows, bathrooms, kitchen..when it snows whose doing the shoveling??..these big bizz try to downplay the importance of these workers but truth be told they couldn't exist without them..so the question is how important are they to their bizzness..ur importance reps whether ur pay should be higher..truth be told those bizzness need them.. a fastfood employee is as important to an eatery as a mta worker is for transportation in nyc.. and if ur from nyc they kno how it was when mta went on strike

You are right that workers are important but if there is an opportunity for a fast food joint to replace a few employees with automated processes they will do it. It only becomes attractive when the cost of the automation is less than an employee.

You talk about moping floors but soon people could start using Roombas to do so and take away a job. There is a model that can mop floors I got one that vacuums my house every day at 9am and works pretty good. The technology could be better but is easily withing reach.

They also could start leveraging self serve ordering stations or phone apps to replace jobs... As I said before Dominoes Pizza and Starbucks already have this.. Not all jobs can be replaced but some can and will be if automation becomes a cheaper option to a business. Remember businesses exist to make a profit and employees are expenses at the end of the day.
 
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