Well, in boxing, the promoter promotes the decision. Dana...on the other hand, is PISSSED GSP won lol.
►►► OFFICIAL UFC 165 - St-Pierre vs Hendricks - Sat, Nov 16th, 2013
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they BOTH got gifts against this man:
I gotta see what happened in THIS fight but Condit def beat Hendricks anyway. Crazy, I missed the fight but hearing Dana right now, GSP should lost no matter what...thats good to hear I guess lol.
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Still trying to process that St. Pierre "victory" hours later. You know shit is mad questionable when as a room full of Canadians ... we were pretty much quiet throughout the entire 25 minutes, and all agreed that HENDRICKS won the fight. All of us ... and ya'll know Canadians ... we're fucking nuthuggers for our Canadian champ, so that right there tells you something. The only things that had us questioning the decision were the whole "to be the champ you have to BEAT the champ" and shit ... and how much controversy initially erupted back with Jones/Gustaffson. Also ... MMA judging on the whole being mad sketchy quite often. Plus ... at points in the fight when the stats noted GSP being ahead on total strikes landed or whatever. Something like 115-99 at one point, etc. Our take was that he respected Big Rig's power too much ... hence not rushing in for the single- or double-leg takedowns. Too much power on Hendricks' end, plus the fact that despite GSP being clearly one of the best "MMA wrestlers", J's had Division 1 All-American elite level accolades in his past. Standing and trying to trade with him though ... shit ... GSP's face has always shown tremendous damage ... and he looked a mess yet again here. All busted up, and Hendricks looked fresh/composed at the start of the 5th ... talking to himself ... getting himself amped up for the final 5 mins, etc. We definitely miss the days of GSP's dominance ... like what he did against the likes of Fitch, Penn (their last fight), Alves, Hardy, and Koscheck. Popping that jab. Securing numerous takedowns. Throwing in the level changes & Superman punches. All that shit ... we knew Georges was in trouble from the first few mins onward. Even the homie's wife who follows the sport casually watched it and said "GSP needs to finish strong here. He needs a TKO, KO, or sub ... or else that belt is changing hands."
I gotta see what happened in THIS fight but Condit def beat Hendricks anyway. Crazy, I missed the fight but hearing Dana right now, GSP should lost no matter what...thats good to hear I guess lol.
Yeah ... that was a very fun scrap back in March 2013 or so.
The Canadian card that had them as main & co-main events ... here in Canada they aired them yesterday and today on SN360 (Sportsnet 360) so I recorded it to watch it again before today's card.
GSP/DIAZ
CONDIT/HENDRICKS
http://mmajunkie.com/2013/11/17/twi...-pierres-controversial-ufc-167-title-defense/
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Vv53mcXLtxc
http://mmajunkie.com/2013/11/17/ufc-167-bonuses-st-pierre-hendricks-woodley-cerrone-win-50000/
http://mmajunkie.com/2013/11/17/ufc...-hiatus-i-cant-sleep-at-night-im-going-crazy/
http://mmajunkie.com/2013/11/17/ufc...-johny-hendricks-full-fight-video-highlights/
http://mmajunkie.com/2013/11/17/ufc-167-draws-reported-14856-attendance-for-5-7-million-live-gate/
http://middleeasy.com/fighting/item...ce-at-the-ufc-167-post-fight-press-conference
http://mmajunkie.com/
http://middleeasy.com/fighting/item...gaton-bomb-on-josh-koscheck-s-chin-at-ufc-167
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3zp0AahsgKk&feature=youtu.be
The Funk's thoughts on the 167 card ... just my random-ass $0.02 ...
- MMA is interesting
- Judging in MMA and boxing can def' be sketchy at times
- 2013 has been interesting
- Weidman's upset over Silva
- Good battle between Jones/Gustaffson
- Hendricks/GSP and the controversy at present
- Props to Sergio Pettis on his UFC debut on the undercard
- Keeping an eye on Erik Perez (ongoing) from Jackson/Winkeljohn's gym
- Mad props to Cerrone ... he's always fun when he's on his game. Violent, aggressive & so on. His only real letdowns have been the fights versus Diaz, Pettis, and Dos Anjos. Otherwise he's looked legit throughout the WEC & UFC. That 1st fight with Henderson back in the WEC was certainly a legit "Fight of the Year" candidate and/or winner
- Keeping an eye on Ali Bagautinov
- Mad props to T. Wood
- Always been a Woodley fan, despite all the "boring wrestler" people say
- He's had some boring fights here and there (Mein, Shields, etc) ... has gotten KO'd (Marquardt), but shit ... when he lets those hands go he stops people (Heiron, Koscheck). Straight blasted those fools.
- Props to Lawler. He hung in there with Macdonald ... maintained his cardio & worked the leg kicks earlier on ... and did his thing in the 3rd round. Gotta remember he's been fighting professionally since about 19 ... and he's in his early-30s now and still relevant ... and has had good career resurgence (at 170) after plenty of competition over the years @ 185
- Props to Rashad ... good performance and stoppage of Sonnen who got sonned, as fam' pointed out. Sonnen didn't have anything for him, and funny always watching Chael work the business angle(s) in the sport ... having lined up the coaching gig vs. Wanderlei Silva for TUF Brazil in 2014. Didn't Sonnen already coach on TUF (US) in 2012 opposite Jon Jones?
- Mad respect to Hendricks ... he represented well for himself tonight ...
- As for GSP ... is he retired? Will he come back? Is his heart still fully in it now? Does Hendricks ever get a rematch? Is there an interim belt that gets presented to the next in line if GSP takes a year or two off? I dunno ... all I know is that a room full of Canadians (as I noted a few replies above) all thought HENDRICKS won tonight ... and we were quiet throughout the 25 mins and when the decision was read. We didn't celebrate the win as CDN fans ... we were puzzled like many other MMA fans ... and talked about that shit over more food & blunts ...
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&thread=2252141&forum=1&page=1&pc=9
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/11/st-pierre-vs-hendricks-official-ufc.html
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Some people are claiming that Hendricks taped within 15 secs of the 1st.
interesting
Some people are claiming that Hendricks taped within 15 secs of the 1st.
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w Clear tap
Some people are claiming that Hendricks taped within 15 secs of the 1st.
I noticed that but didn't think anything of it... I thought it was odd that he would tap there because it didn't look that tight and the position was awkward
6 Reasons This Could Be GSP's Last Fight
#1: What else is there left to prove?
A GSP win would be his 19th in the UFC - setting a new all-time UFC record. If GSP hypothetically continued fighting, who are his likely opponents? Two names: Rory MacDonald (if he beats Robbie Lawler on Saturday) and Carlos Condit. I know Dana White said this week that he foresees GSP and MacDonald (training partners) would break their vows and fight for the belt - but I say slim chance. Not going to happen.
So how about GSP vs. Condit? Been there, done that. GSP already survived Condit once. The champ had to pick himself up off the canvas in the fight and, despite getting his hand raised, looked tremendously beat-up afterward. A rematch with Condit would not generate mega-bucks so I say GSP will lack incentive. There's no big upside, to his wallet or his legacy, for GSP in a Condit rematch.
Real quick: Anybody else at 170 you think GSP is chomping at the bit to fight? Can't think of one, can you? Me neither.
So it seems very likely that GSP retires from the 170-pound division and vacates the UFC belt (leaving MacDonald, who has said he wants a title shot by mid-next year, to potentially fight Carlos Condit for the UFC welterweight title).
#2: So the theory goes, as GSP cryptically mentioned during his interview with Kevin Iole … GSP will leave the 170-pound division and just compete in UFC Superfights. He'll move up a weight class, or down.
Ah, I too was so tempted to buy into the Superfight thing. It stumped me for awhile. Really did. Anderson Silva vs. GSP. In Dallas. 100,000 fans, right? Biggest UFC event in history. That was the MMA fantasy, right?
I'll tell you what - don't see it happening. For one thing, contrary to him being a 2-to-1 underdog, I believe Chris Weidman will beat Anderson Silva a second time in December. Even under that scenario, Silva vs. GSP could still be made, and would still generate strong pay-per-view numbers, but it might not make GSP the crazy millions it would probably require to convince him to jump a weight class and fight against the UFC's all-time greatest fighter, who walks around at more than 215 pounds to GSP's 195. Remember, GSP has previously expressed an unwillingness to move up and fight Anderson Silva. That's a big reason the fight never happened. I don't see that changing unless Silva just really checks out, loses his mojo and GSP sees tremendous vulnerability. Oh, and if Silva loses to Weidman, then yet another UFC legend is going to be hounded with retirement questions (you can bet on that).
One other thing: Could you see GSP vs. Chris Weidman?
Again, I say no. GSP is very familiar with Weidman, who also trains Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under John Donaher. In fact, GSP picked Weidman to beat Silva in their first fight. Which means GSP knows how talented and awesome Chris Weidman is. Weidman is stylistically a bad matchup for GSP. The bullying GSP got away with at 170 won't work against a bigger, stronger and longer phenom like Weidman. So I highly doubt GSP has any interest in a fight with Weidman.
So, rack your brain: Who at 185 would GSP be interested in fighting? He could always do what veteran fighters so often do - fighting the so-called "fights that make sense," which is code for "fights that make me the most money but aren't against the best guys." I'm betting this scenario won't unfold because I just don't see those kinds of dangling carrots - say a Chael Sonnen vs. GSP fight - motivating GSP at this stage of the game.
Do you think GSP wants to move up and fight Vitor Belfort any time soon? I personally don't think anybody is eager to fight the Brazilian steamroller right now.
#3: The competition is catching up.
Yes GSP has ruled the 170-pound division for 6 of the past 7 years but the gap is closing quickly. There is now tremendous depth in the division with MacDonald, Condit, Jake Ellenberger, Jake Shields coming alive again and even a dark horse like Matt Brown who has been running dudes over.
In the old days GSP dominated opponents and left the cage virtually unscathed. In his past two fights, against Condit and Nick Diaz, the champ has left the cage with a marked up face. And he tore the ACL in his knee before that. So GSP is even more in touch with his own mortality these days. He is a man of conscience and extraordinary as a strategist. He is always two steps ahead of every one else. He is an intellectual nerd (who knows a lot about dinosaurs, for instance) and values his brain power. So he's not the type who is going to stick around too long and wait to be knocked out a few times (like most other champions) before he retires.
#4: Go out on top.
Precious few sports legends ever do. In fact, I have trouble naming the ones who do. John Elway and his two Super Bowl titles jumps to mind. Then Ray Lewis last year with the Baltimore Ravens. But I can talk for hours about the pro athletes who stayed too long, sometimes hurting their image.
GSP, however, is the kind of visionary who is smart enough to go out on top while his body, brain and image are still at their peak. And he's got the millions to walk away whenever he wants.
GSP recently made some intriguing comments during interviews.
Consider the champ's comments recently to Yahoo Sports writer Kevin Iole:
"There are a lot of things I can't tell you," GSP told Iole with a smile creasing his face. "But I have plans. I'm ready for other things. We'll see what happens. Moving up, moving down, fighting some other guy. I have big plans, but I can't tell you everything. I just can't give all of my secrets today."
Also consider GSP's recent comments to MMA Fighting:
"I don't know when I'm going to retire," GSP told the outfit. "It could be in one week, it could be five years or 10 years. Right now, I'm really happy with what I do. I feel very happy, very motivated and I'm planning my next fight, not my retirement. People who love me, they want me to retire on top. It's normal. Every time I step inside the Octagon, it's a big risk and of course they want me to retire on top. But, the truth is, I'm the one who will decide about that."
Lot of hedging there. And I suspect the "it could be in one week" line is what will transpire.
#5: GSP doesn't need the money, folks; he is likely is worth tens of millions of dollars.
He is a global icon whose reputation is good as gold. The guy has the potential to easily make millions more in sponsorships, business deals and in movies (he's scheduled to appear in his third movie next year). A lot of other pro fighters don't have a Plan B, which is why they keep fighting. St. Pierre has options galore that don't involve getting punched in the head or limping around the house for weeks.
#6: For his past three fights GSP has been bombarded with the same questions about retirement and opponents voicing suspicions about the champ and PEDs.
It's become a circus. GSP is smart enough to know that if he is going to retire then it's best to keep reporters in the dark until after your fight. Imagine if GSP did tell reporters leading up to a fight that this was his last one. That would mean even greater distractions from the media. So don't expect the champ to give us forewarning of his last fight.
Retirement will mean a lot more peace and quiet for the soft-spoken and very private Canadian. It means people forever remembering you as champion rather than remembering how you got knocked out in your last fight. Which is how it ends for the vast majority of fighting legends.
#1: What else is there left to prove?
A GSP win would be his 19th in the UFC - setting a new all-time UFC record. If GSP hypothetically continued fighting, who are his likely opponents? Two names: Rory MacDonald (if he beats Robbie Lawler on Saturday) and Carlos Condit. I know Dana White said this week that he foresees GSP and MacDonald (training partners) would break their vows and fight for the belt - but I say slim chance. Not going to happen.
So how about GSP vs. Condit? Been there, done that. GSP already survived Condit once. The champ had to pick himself up off the canvas in the fight and, despite getting his hand raised, looked tremendously beat-up afterward. A rematch with Condit would not generate mega-bucks so I say GSP will lack incentive. There's no big upside, to his wallet or his legacy, for GSP in a Condit rematch.
Real quick: Anybody else at 170 you think GSP is chomping at the bit to fight? Can't think of one, can you? Me neither.
So it seems very likely that GSP retires from the 170-pound division and vacates the UFC belt (leaving MacDonald, who has said he wants a title shot by mid-next year, to potentially fight Carlos Condit for the UFC welterweight title).
#2: So the theory goes, as GSP cryptically mentioned during his interview with Kevin Iole … GSP will leave the 170-pound division and just compete in UFC Superfights. He'll move up a weight class, or down.
Ah, I too was so tempted to buy into the Superfight thing. It stumped me for awhile. Really did. Anderson Silva vs. GSP. In Dallas. 100,000 fans, right? Biggest UFC event in history. That was the MMA fantasy, right?
I'll tell you what - don't see it happening. For one thing, contrary to him being a 2-to-1 underdog, I believe Chris Weidman will beat Anderson Silva a second time in December. Even under that scenario, Silva vs. GSP could still be made, and would still generate strong pay-per-view numbers, but it might not make GSP the crazy millions it would probably require to convince him to jump a weight class and fight against the UFC's all-time greatest fighter, who walks around at more than 215 pounds to GSP's 195. Remember, GSP has previously expressed an unwillingness to move up and fight Anderson Silva. That's a big reason the fight never happened. I don't see that changing unless Silva just really checks out, loses his mojo and GSP sees tremendous vulnerability. Oh, and if Silva loses to Weidman, then yet another UFC legend is going to be hounded with retirement questions (you can bet on that).
One other thing: Could you see GSP vs. Chris Weidman?
Again, I say no. GSP is very familiar with Weidman, who also trains Brazilian Jiu Jitsu under John Donaher. In fact, GSP picked Weidman to beat Silva in their first fight. Which means GSP knows how talented and awesome Chris Weidman is. Weidman is stylistically a bad matchup for GSP. The bullying GSP got away with at 170 won't work against a bigger, stronger and longer phenom like Weidman. So I highly doubt GSP has any interest in a fight with Weidman.
So, rack your brain: Who at 185 would GSP be interested in fighting? He could always do what veteran fighters so often do - fighting the so-called "fights that make sense," which is code for "fights that make me the most money but aren't against the best guys." I'm betting this scenario won't unfold because I just don't see those kinds of dangling carrots - say a Chael Sonnen vs. GSP fight - motivating GSP at this stage of the game.
Do you think GSP wants to move up and fight Vitor Belfort any time soon? I personally don't think anybody is eager to fight the Brazilian steamroller right now.
#3: The competition is catching up.
Yes GSP has ruled the 170-pound division for 6 of the past 7 years but the gap is closing quickly. There is now tremendous depth in the division with MacDonald, Condit, Jake Ellenberger, Jake Shields coming alive again and even a dark horse like Matt Brown who has been running dudes over.
In the old days GSP dominated opponents and left the cage virtually unscathed. In his past two fights, against Condit and Nick Diaz, the champ has left the cage with a marked up face. And he tore the ACL in his knee before that. So GSP is even more in touch with his own mortality these days. He is a man of conscience and extraordinary as a strategist. He is always two steps ahead of every one else. He is an intellectual nerd (who knows a lot about dinosaurs, for instance) and values his brain power. So he's not the type who is going to stick around too long and wait to be knocked out a few times (like most other champions) before he retires.
#4: Go out on top.
Precious few sports legends ever do. In fact, I have trouble naming the ones who do. John Elway and his two Super Bowl titles jumps to mind. Then Ray Lewis last year with the Baltimore Ravens. But I can talk for hours about the pro athletes who stayed too long, sometimes hurting their image.
GSP, however, is the kind of visionary who is smart enough to go out on top while his body, brain and image are still at their peak. And he's got the millions to walk away whenever he wants.
GSP recently made some intriguing comments during interviews.
Consider the champ's comments recently to Yahoo Sports writer Kevin Iole:
"There are a lot of things I can't tell you," GSP told Iole with a smile creasing his face. "But I have plans. I'm ready for other things. We'll see what happens. Moving up, moving down, fighting some other guy. I have big plans, but I can't tell you everything. I just can't give all of my secrets today."
Also consider GSP's recent comments to MMA Fighting:
"I don't know when I'm going to retire," GSP told the outfit. "It could be in one week, it could be five years or 10 years. Right now, I'm really happy with what I do. I feel very happy, very motivated and I'm planning my next fight, not my retirement. People who love me, they want me to retire on top. It's normal. Every time I step inside the Octagon, it's a big risk and of course they want me to retire on top. But, the truth is, I'm the one who will decide about that."
Lot of hedging there. And I suspect the "it could be in one week" line is what will transpire.
#5: GSP doesn't need the money, folks; he is likely is worth tens of millions of dollars.
He is a global icon whose reputation is good as gold. The guy has the potential to easily make millions more in sponsorships, business deals and in movies (he's scheduled to appear in his third movie next year). A lot of other pro fighters don't have a Plan B, which is why they keep fighting. St. Pierre has options galore that don't involve getting punched in the head or limping around the house for weeks.
#6: For his past three fights GSP has been bombarded with the same questions about retirement and opponents voicing suspicions about the champ and PEDs.
It's become a circus. GSP is smart enough to know that if he is going to retire then it's best to keep reporters in the dark until after your fight. Imagine if GSP did tell reporters leading up to a fight that this was his last one. That would mean even greater distractions from the media. So don't expect the champ to give us forewarning of his last fight.
Retirement will mean a lot more peace and quiet for the soft-spoken and very private Canadian. It means people forever remembering you as champion rather than remembering how you got knocked out in your last fight. Which is how it ends for the vast majority of fighting legends.
GSP's "victory" and post-fight interview definitely leaves us scratching our heads.
Rory's loss to Lawler shakes up 170 a bit. When do Lawler and Matt Brown eventually get their own title shots, etc?
It'll be funny hearing Chael continue hugging his own nuts moving forward considering he's beaten Stann, Bisping, and Rua ... but lost to SILVA x 2, JONES, and EVANS. Gotta hand it to him though ... he's clockin' bank late in his career.
Side note ... props to the UFC talent who are doing work in front of the camera in recent years. I've been impressed across the board with the likes of Melendez, Cormier, Stann, Bisping, Sonnen, Evans, Cruz, Florian, Cote, and others.
Rory's loss to Lawler shakes up 170 a bit. When do Lawler and Matt Brown eventually get their own title shots, etc?
It'll be funny hearing Chael continue hugging his own nuts moving forward considering he's beaten Stann, Bisping, and Rua ... but lost to SILVA x 2, JONES, and EVANS. Gotta hand it to him though ... he's clockin' bank late in his career.
Side note ... props to the UFC talent who are doing work in front of the camera in recent years. I've been impressed across the board with the likes of Melendez, Cormier, Stann, Bisping, Sonnen, Evans, Cruz, Florian, Cote, and others.
anyone got links on these fights?
I know one thing, that beard on Hendricks would have never been allowed in a boxing match.
after thinking this over GSP clearly won rounds 3 & 5
Hendricks won 2 & 4 convincingly
it all depends on how you scored the 1st which could've went either way. At the time I gave it to Hendricks
i think one of the problems with MMA scoring is that you can dominate a fight but lose too many rounds when its only best of 5.
Hendricks won 2 & 4 convincingly
it all depends on how you scored the 1st which could've went either way. At the time I gave it to Hendricks
i think one of the problems with MMA scoring is that you can dominate a fight but lose too many rounds when its only best of 5.
Didn't you hear Joe Rogan talking about the guillotine choke!?!
man dude didnt tap if you look at it real close he got his harm out an it shook,he didnt even touch gsp body it was in the air.it wastnt a tap.thats why the ref didnt stop it...
I thought the same thing.
man dude didnt tap if you look at it real close he got his harm out an it shook,he didnt even touch gsp body it was in the air.it wastnt a tap.thats why the ref didnt stop it...
I know. How the fuck you tap out hitting air?
I wonder how stupid matt hughes feels,
he said, Rashad would amount to anything in mma with his style...just
because he fought with rhythm and not that paint by the numbers bullshyt..
he must be tired of eating that crow at this point....
he said, Rashad would amount to anything in mma with his style...just
because he fought with rhythm and not that paint by the numbers bullshyt..
he must be tired of eating that crow at this point....
I saw exactly the same.
I am biased towards Hendrix though I respect GSP.
Hendrix totally took away the GSP magic.
GSP did do pretty well adapting to the fact that he couldn't dominate on the ground, but he looked to be just hanging in there.
Hendrix did pretty much what he wanted, but he SHOULD HAVE really went for the stoppage in the 2nd when he had the chance. I understand conserving, but he really had him. Don't know why he took so much of the 3rd round off either. Could've made it more convincing had he won those middle rounds.
But I still think he won, and I think GSP thinks so too.
The entire bar started laughing when that happened
Joe Rogan said "that's a Two-Time Division 1 National Champion ladies and gentleman"
We were laughing it up at the party too. Some of the best quotes were:
- "He's doing the FORWARD Moonwalk using 1 leg ..."
- "That's that smooth shit ... that G shit ..."
- "Muthafucka's got good balance!"
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