Mario Van Peebles Speaks on Spike & Tyler perry Beef

[geechiedan]

SO BASICALLY YOU KNOW MORE THAN TYLER PERRY, MARIO VAN PEEBLES, SPIKE LEE DENZEL WASHINGTON,THE HUGHES BROTHERS, ECT...

EVERYBODY ON THAT LIST HAVE SPOKEN FRANK ABOUT THE TYLER PERRY, SPIKE LEE SITUATION.

ALSO:

Malcolm X 1992 Budget $33,000,000 Gross revenue $48,169,910 (Not Successful It Only Made 15 Million)- spike pissed off a lot of people to get this flick made and tends to turn off people personally..

Boyz in the Hood 1991 Budget $6.5 million Gross $57,504,069(Very Successful) - and spawned the "hood" genre of films that lasted a while

The Wood 1999 Budget $6 million Gross revenue $25,059,640(Not Worth It Again) - but there were other films about black men and friendship like...

The Brothers 2001 Budget $6,000,000 Gross revenue $27,958,191(Did Ok For A Quick Flip) - BINGO.. and it made a profit

The Best Man 1999 Budget $9,000,000 Gross revenue $34,102,780(Ok Quick Flip) here's another "the wood" type flick

Waiting to Exhale 1995 Budget $15,000,000 Gross $81,452,156(Very Successful) - the first black female friendship flick to spawn others as well

Love Jones 1997 Budget $10,000,000 Gross Revenue $12,316,000(Not Successful) - not much profit but that didn' stop other black romcoms to come out

Poetic Justice 1993 Budget $14,000,000 Gross revenue $27,515,786(Not Successful) - another in the hood film by Singleton the second in his "trilogy"

Juice 1992 Budget 6,000,000 Gross revenue $20,146,880(Ok Flip Not Worth ANother) - really cuz there were others..

New Jack City 1991 Budget $8 million Gross revenue $47,624,353(Successful Quick Flip) - Black drug cops and roobers flick to come out and spawn lesser versions

Do the Right Thing 1989 Budget $6.5 million Gross $37,295,445(Successful Quick Flip) - All of spikes films earlyon made a decent profit...his movies performed in the same manner business wise back then that Perry's does now..

Meteor Man 1993 Budget Unknown Gross revenue $8,023,147(Very Un-Successful) - black comedy superhero flick..not the only one tho..

Cadillac Records 2008 Budget $12 million Gross revenue $8,880,045(Un-Successful) - Beyonce overkill most likely..

Dreamgirls 2006 Budget $80 million Gross revenue $154,852,975(Very Successful) - had a built in audience and fanbase

Higher Learning 1995 Gross revenue $58 million(Successful) - interesting..it was successful yet have you seen another black youth in college film??

Are We there Yet? 2005 Budget $32 million Gross $97,918,663(Successful) - Ice Cube goes soft and makes a killing more than he ever did as a hardass..lol

Big Momma's House 2000 Budget $30 million Gross $173,959,438(Very Successful)- guess crossdressing IS successfel huh?

Rosewood 1997 Budget $31,000,000 Gross 37,000,000(Un-Successful) - who wanted to see a flick where we KNOW black people are gonna lose?

Menace to Society 1993 Budget $3.5 million Gross $27.9 million(Successful Quick Flip) - and spawned even more and worse in the hood films

Banboozled 2000 Budget $10,000,000 Gross revenue $2,463,650(Un-Successful) - again spike's heavy handed touch on the subject matter turned everyone off..

Baby Boy 2001 Budget $16 million Gross revenue $29,381,649(Un-Successful) - Singletons "hood films" trifecta but by this time the genre was getting old..

Dead presidents 1995 Budget $15 million Gross $24,147,179 (Un-Successful) - made its money but the downer ending probably worked against it in word of mouth.

ALL THE ABOVE MOVIES YOU PICKED ONLY A FEW WERE SUCCESSFUL. REMEMBER ITS ABOUT DOLLARS, AND CENTS WITH HOLLYWOOD.

 

[geechiedan]

WHY ARE YOU SITTING HERE ARGUING WITH ME, WHEN FOLLOWUP IS THE ONE POSTED THAT LIST??? I JUST GAVE HER THE BUDGETS AND GROSS REVENUE FOR THOSE FILMS.

AND THEN YOU GO PUSH "DO THE RIGHT THING" OFF ON ME LIKE I HAVE PICKED A SIDE. I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT TYLER PERRY, OR SPIKE LEE.

IN MY BOOK A SPADE IS A SPADE.

I SPOKE ON WHAT MARIO VAN PEEBLES WAS SAYING IN THE VIDEO. NOT ONCE DID I SPEAK ON SPIKE LEE.


IF YOUR GONNA DEFEND TYLER PERRY IM COOL WITH THAT. IF YOUR GONNA DEFEND SPIKE LEE DO THAT. IM NOT DEFENDING NEITHER DIRECTOR.

then you gave your opinion of how they performed thats what I'm commenting on..

 

[45mm]

then you gave your opinion of how they performed thats what I'm commenting on..

FAM IM NOT GONNA SIT HERE AND GO BACK AND FORTH WITH YOU. AND WHY YOU ROLLIN YOUR EYES AT ANOTHER MAN??(Thats Suspect) IF YOUR A TYLER PERRY SUPPORTER COOL. IF YOU A SPIKE LEE SUPPORTER COOL. GO SEE ALL OF THERE MOVIES. ENJOY YOUR SELF. NOT 1 TIME DID I PICK A SIDE, BUT I NOTICE YOUR MAKING SURE YOU DEFEND TYLER PERRY. IM TRYING TO GET WHERE BOTH OF THEM RICH NIGGAS IS AT.

YOUR KIND OF SUSPECT FOR THAT UN-DYING SUPPORT TO ANOTHER MAN, UNLESS YOUR A FEMALE ON THAT NAME.

ANYWAY STAY UP IM IN THE STUDIO SO THIS MY LAST POST ON THE MATTER.

 

[45mm]

ONE MORE THING GEECHIDAN. WHY DO YOU KEEP GOING BACK TO THE MOVIES POSTED, WHEN FOLLOWUP IS THE ONE THAT POSTED THOSE MOVIES????

YOUR TRYING TO MAKE MY POST LOOK BAD, WHEN SHE IS THE PERSON WHO POSTED THOSE MOVIES.

I NEVER IN MY LIFE SAW SO MANY MEN IN ONE PLACE, WHO ACT LIKE FUCKING GIRLS. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO USE HER BACKFIRE POST TO TAKE A SHOT AT ME??

WHATS FUNNY TO ME IS, I THINK YOUR EITHER A WOMAN BEHIND THAT NAME, OR YOUR A GAY ASS MAN. I BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR YEARS, AND YOUR ALWAYS ON THAT SHIT.

A MANLY MAN DOESNT MOVE LIKE THAT.

NOW I KNOW YOUR GONNA COME BACK WITH SOME WIERDO SHIT TO TRY TO KEEP ME POSTING. ALL I CAN SAY IS GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

PEACE.

 

[geechiedan]

ONE MORE THING GEECHIDAN. WHY DO YOU KEEP GOING BACK TO THE MOVIES POSTED, WHEN FOLLOWUP IS THE ONE THAT POSTED THOSE MOVIES????

YOUR TRYING TO MAKE MY POST LOOK BAD, WHEN SHE IS THE PERSON WHO POSTED THOSE MOVIES.

I NEVER IN MY LIFE SAW SO MANY MEN IN ONE PLACE, WHO ACT LIKE FUCKING GIRLS. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO USE HER BACKFIRE POST TO TAKE A SHOT AT ME??

WHATS FUNNY TO ME IS, I THINK YOUR EITHER A WOMAN BEHIND THAT NAME, OR YOUR A GAY ASS MAN. I BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR YEARS, AND YOUR ALWAYS ON THAT SHIT.

A MANLY MAN DOESNT MOVE LIKE THAT.

NOW I KNOW YOUR GONNA COME BACK WITH SOME WIERDO SHIT TO TRY TO KEEP ME POSTING. ALL I CAN SAY IS GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

PEACE.

its suspect and attention whoring to type in all caps and then bold and upsize as well..are you afraid you won't be seen

whats funny to me is how your getting sensitive in your response and start the name calling..

I really don't pay attention to you maybe most don't (which is you may feel the need for bold and caps) but I just responded to your post and instead of responding like an adult you bitched up and retreated with the "I don't have a position" line

if you can't stand debate then don't join in grown folks conversation little boy..

and a man wouldn't use the term "manly man"...can you say suspect??

 

[Hellfish]

Just wow at this thread. How hard is it to simply not acknowledge TP. I don't care for the crap that is played on radio, so you know what I did? Stopped listening to it I don't care for TP brand of film making so I don't support it. I see his shows on TV and I turn the channel. Real simple don't you thing? Honestly I don't support a lot of black films because it the films fit the same old formula. If it isn't a period piece then its centered around a wedding,picnic, vacation or holiday. It be cool if we had a star trek, Silence of the lamb or brave heart type movie but that's not likely to happen anytime.

 

[AgentCreed]

“Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or both. The limits of tyrants are prescribed by the endurance of those whom they oppress.” - Frederick Douglass

2min mark on....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFXa9ut11J0

We as black people have become enemies of ourselves. We sit and defend a "brotha" who knowingly creates media for profit that show cases the worst of us, rather than the best of us. We defend a "brotha" who is so mad at his past he purposely creates media as an act of revenge for his mistreatment. he throws some jesus on it and makes us all believe he has earned a right to defile our image while simultaneously stealing work from other brothas and sistas and putting his name on it...for profit.

then he goes to whitey and says "I can be the good negro, i will wear a dress often, i will convert people to your perverse ways and i will make profit off their failure to see I am a con man...I will make profit off their need to entertained and not educated. give me money allow me to create my own studio and i will work for u to keep my brothas and sistas down" and whitey ok'd him...

so now we have his defenders saying he makes profit so it's ok...hollywood wants profit... thats not ok. hollywood is white. we are black. hollywood has no idea what it's doing. in the time since tyler has come out no other black film gets promotion like him. and its not tyler doing the promotion its us...the studios barely do it...we do it. but let something else come out that shows us in a different more positive light and we shun it...

precious had nothing to do with tyler perry but b/c it showed black tragedy he slapped his name on it as executive producer. so he can make bank and spread whitey's message..."black men are child rapists with std's...black women steal fried chicken and mothers do the vilest things" then in his next movie he rehashed the evils of black men with a whored out thandi newton who became a whore as result of her daddy fucking her and her mother turning a blind eye leading to tragedy in a younger black person...

y'all say he makes black men look good but in why did i get married he had michael jai white getting "treatment" for cheating on his wife then he had a group of men in happy family standing around complaining about how their women won't fuck them or how they're life is so hard and he had the most powerful image, a black man taking his son away from his crazy wife in order to vilify that man and make the wife a victim so that madea can come in and reveal secrets and help everyone...

in EVERY single one of tyler perry's movies and tv shows he creates images that are not flattering to us. And we sit there and smile like idiots and excuse it "he makes money so its ok" we bring up the past... gangster rap...where is that today? no where even snoop is singing and doing tracks with teenage white boys for a disney movie... dre can't drop an album and ice cube has transitioned into something else. gangsta rap no longer exists...

then we bring up old movies...those were successes in our communities b/c they showed us different love and basketball the wood hav plenty etc etc etc... those are classics they showed us as more than happy niggas they barely touched jesus they didn't have a mammy in there smacking people they didn't have a coon in there dancing and moving like a fool unable to speak correctly...no, they showed us as better.

the reason those kinds of movies don't get made anymore is simple, a unified hopeful black race is a threat...a movie about a young black man in college.."never!" ... a movie about a happy black couple..."fuck outta here!"...a movie where a black child wasn't molested..."not gonna happen!"

how come we will never see a movie about Dr. Carver? Whitey can't let anyone know a black man invented life saving things...no no...the role of the black people in media is to a- die 1st or early in movies in the most fucked up way...b - be criminals...c- lust after white women(and in turn black women lust after white men)...d- be the token in a group of 2 or more whites or latinos...e- make whitey laugh with their song and dance and cooning...a lil shuckin and jivin..a lil hambone singing...f- make whitey comfortable, its what oprah did she never did shows on the working black class just the famous ones whitey loved...tyler goes on her show and talks about being fucked by men and how its ok and how he has a new movie coming out dealing with black tragedy and boom now every wife, mother, grandmother will see it...

and we as black people sit back and smile and say 'it's ok, he making money..this existed in the past" ... we as a people need to stop living in the past, and stop giving the past a place at black futures table if that past does us harm. slavery is over. wake up. stop smiling for coon shit, stop dancing to coon shit go be better and go demand better from those in power now.

if we don't demand nothing will be conceded to us.

 

[nukdollars]

right on the money

 

[geechiedan]

2min mark on....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFXa9ut11J0

We as black people have become enemies of ourselves. We sit and defend a "brotha" who knowingly creates media for profit that show cases the worst of us, rather than the best of us. We defend a "brotha" who is so mad at his past he purposely creates media as an act of revenge for his mistreatment. he throws some jesus on it and makes us all believe he has earned a right to defile our image while simultaneously stealing work from other brothas and sistas and putting his name on it...for profit.

an argument you could make about anything creative...hell from berry gordy to puffy to suge knight and beyond black record labels have done nothing but that..

then he goes to whitey and says "I can be the good negro, i will wear a dress often, i will convert people to your perverse ways and i will make profit off their failure to see I am a con man...I will make profit off their need to entertained and not educated. give me money allow me to create my own studio and i will work for u to keep my brothas and sistas down" and whitey ok'd him...

c'mon dude...take the tin foil off..

so now we have his defenders saying he makes profit so it's ok...hollywood wants profit... thats not ok. hollywood is white. we are black. hollywood has no idea what it's doing. in the time since tyler has come out no other black film gets promotion like him. and its not tyler doing the promotion its us...the studios barely do it...we do it. but let something else come out that shows us in a different more positive light and we shun it...

really because Jumping The Broom did pretty well.. and got decent promotion..

precious had nothing to do with tyler perry but b/c it showed black tragedy he slapped his name on it as executive producer. so he can make bank and spread whitey's message..."black men are child rapists with std's...black women steal fried chicken and mothers do the vilest things" then in his next movie he rehashed the evils of black men with a whored out thandi newton who became a whore as result of her daddy fucking her and her mother turning a blind eye leading to tragedy in a younger black person...

have you seen the plot of menace 2 society?? the ONLY positive character in that flick was in it for like 5 minutes..

y'all say he makes black men look good but in why did i get married he had michael jai white getting "treatment" for cheating on his wife then he had a group of men in happy family standing around complaining about how their women won't fuck them or how they're life is so hard and he had the most powerful image, a black man taking his son away from his crazy wife in order to vilify that man and make the wife a victim so that madea can come in and reveal secrets and help everyone...

WTF are you talking about medea wasn't in either why did I... flicks...now your just trolling and ranting (badly)

in EVERY single one of tyler perry's movies and tv shows he creates images that are not flattering to us. And we sit there and smile like idiots and excuse it "he makes money so its ok" we bring up the past... gangster rap...where is that today? no where even snoop is singing and doing tracks with teenage white boys for a disney movie... dre can't drop an album and ice cube has transitioned into something else. gangsta rap no longer exists...

again the complaint is about taking something away rather than working to together to include more. why does it have to be an either or proposition?

the reason gangster rap is brought up is the same reason bush gets brought up whenever republicans complain about something obama does now that they didn't complain about when bush did it.

And back then some of the people on here who bought the chronic and doggystyle and whatever bullshit master p was putting out are the same people who now complain about tyler perry and quality/diverse storytelling..thats called hypocrisy.

then we bring up old movies...those were successes in our communities b/c they showed us different love and basketball the wood hav plenty etc etc etc... those are classics they showed us as more than happy niggas they barely touched jesus they didn't have a mammy in there smacking people they didn't have a coon in there dancing and moving like a fool unable to speak correctly...no, they showed us as better.

the reason those kinds of movies don't get made anymore is simple, a unified hopeful black race is a threat...a movie about a young black man in college.."never!" ... a movie about a happy black couple..."fuck outta here!"...a movie where a black child wasn't molested..."not gonna happen!"

how come we will never see a movie about Dr. Carver? Whitey can't let anyone know a black man invented life saving things...no no...the role of the black people in media is to a- die 1st or early in movies in the most fucked up way...b - be criminals...c- lust after white women(and in turn black women lust after white men)...d- be the token in a group of 2 or more whites or latinos...e- make whitey laugh with their song and dance and cooning...a lil shuckin and jivin..a lil hambone singing...f- make whitey comfortable, its what oprah did she never did shows on the working black class just the famous ones whitey loved...tyler goes on her show and talks about being fucked by men and how its ok and how he has a new movie coming out dealing with black tragedy and boom now every wife, mother, grandmother will see it...

soo you just ignore Akeelah and Bee and Antwone Fisher, idlewild, love don't cost a thing and other films made in that time period don't count huh..

and we as black people sit back and smile and say 'it's ok, he making money..this existed in the past" ... we as a people need to stop living in the past, and stop giving the past a place at black futures table if that past does us harm. slavery is over. wake up. stop smiling for coon shit, stop dancing to coon shit go be better and go demand better from those in power now.

if we don't demand nothing will be conceded to us.

you could consider constantly bringing up cooning and shucking and jiving as living in the past as well..

 

[playahaitian]

This was a good response to the whole situation. Real talk.

 

[AgentCreed]

that black wedding flick made like 15mil opening weekend and to date has grossed only 31 mil whereas tyler made like 25mil opening weekend and 51mil total gross... if hollywood was looking at numbers jumping the broom didn't do what tyler did so there won't be similar movies for a while...

no tin foil... actors have said it, even dude in this thread who works in the industry as a producer said it... hollywood only wants one image of us out there and tyler is the good negro to spread their message.

menace to society was meant to be the type of flick it was, u knew from jumpstreet what it was.

i combined plots...i thought i spelled that out clearly... i know madea wasn't in why did i get married never said it was... it was in big happy family...but u got confused b/c the characters are so similar u thought it was the same movie... i win.

the movies u mentioned didn't get community support only a small number and i was one of the few ppl who liked idlewild...again, we make different types of movies we as a people do not support them. those movies are either intelligent or not laugh out loud funny so we won't watch...like zero said in another thread there is an iq war going on...and black folks r losing, they won't support smart movies or tv...

lemme go further The great debaters only made 30mil gross and when it was released only 3mil of a 15mil budget... compared to coontastic meet the browns which made 20mil opening weekend and 40mil gross...daddy's lil girls the movie y'all said shows blacks in a good light? 13mil opening weekend(released same year as meet the browns) and only 30mil gross... so it seems tyler perry's fanbase won't support positive movies either...now why did i get married, with all it's drama made a whopping 21mil opening weekend and a total 55mil gross...movie with fucked up black ppl, cheating and other horrid shit..y'all rushed out to support that...his other showing black ppl in a different light movie, family that preys...17mil opening...36gross...that movie had a fucked up black woman as the lead and the tpd's didn't like that no sir...

those numbers say it all as to why we don't get better movies in the black community... y'all won't support different...y'all want more fucked up, more cooning and more drama and more blame the black man & the black woman is always the victim movies...

when the chronic/master p were out there was balance, there was gangsta rap there was silly rap there was thinking rap...and ppl supported... then shit switched up and more coon rap came out...more dumb music more pop more faggotry rappers...also rap sales have declined every year for the past 3 yrs b/c ppl won't support the rubbish that's out now...

so if ppl won't support musical rubbish why support film rubbish? stop giving tyler perry your money and he will go away and in his stead better black movies and tv will sprout up. long as he's around making bank hollywood will invest more in coon movies than real black movies. that's why u take it away from him. there needs to be diversity. with tyler there will never be that, hollywood won't promote or support diversity long as black folks promote and support cooning. sending a message to hollywood that we as a race demand more and forcing them to concede that we will get more will help everyone. even if it hurts the tpd's short term. sacrifices must be made to right this ship and save this race even if it means removing the friendly negro hollywood loves.

i bring up cooning and shucking and jiving b/c it just made 51 mil and the better film only made 31... black folks will support the coon b4 anything else.

thats just fact.

2min mark on....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFXa9ut11J0


an argument you could make about anything creative...hell from berry gordy to puffy to suge knight and beyond black record labels have done nothing but that..

c'mon dude...take the tin foil off..


really because that black wedding flick did pretty well.. and got decent promotion..


have you seen the plot of menace 2 society?? the ONLY positive character in that flick was in it for like 5 minutes..


WTF are you talking about medea wasn't in either why did I... flicks...now your just trolling and ranting (badly)


again the complaint is about taking something away rather than working to together to include more. why does it have to be an either or proposition?

the reason gangster rap is brought up is the same reason bush gets brought up whenever republicans complain about something obama does now that they didn't complain about when bush did it.

And back then some of the people on here who bought the chronic and doggystyle and whatever bullshit master p was putting out are the same people who now complain about tyler perry and quality/diverse storytelling..thats called hypocrisy.



soo you just ignore Akeelah and Bee and Antwone Fisher, idlewild, love don't cost a thing and other films made in that time period don't count huh..



you could consider constantly bringing up cooning and shucking and jiving as living in the past as well..

 

[mofo112]

Don't tyler have his own studio because hollywood wouldnt let him do his work there? Don't he only use their distro's or some shit.

 

[AgentCreed]

Don't tyler have his own studio because hollywood wouldnt let him do his work there? Don't he only use their distro's or some shit.

he gets funding and green lit from lionsgate

 

[keone]

 

[geechiedan]

that black wedding flick made like 15mil opening weekend and to date has grossed only 31 mil whereas tyler made like 25mil opening weekend and 51mil total gross... if hollywood was looking at numbers jumping the broom didn't do what tyler did so there won't be similar movies for a while...

I wouldn't speak so fast on that one..Hollywood likes to replicate what works and TD Jakes has the similar formula and audience..don't be surprised if you see more from him...well you may be.

no tin foil... actors have said it, even dude in this thread who works in the industry as a producer said it... hollywood only wants one image of us out there and tyler is the good negro to spread their message.

then they want the same image for italians because theyre going into overdrive with Jersey Shore offshoots.

menace to society was meant to be the type of flick it was, u knew from jumpstreet what it was.

which was what...a gangbangers wet dream? with a cautionary tale thrown in the middle..that movie did more damage than enlightning for black youth and youre okay with that??

i combined plots...i thought i spelled that out clearly... i know madea wasn't in why did i get married never said it was... it was in big happy family...but u got confused b/c the characters are so similar u thought it was the same movie... i win.

not really..but whatever..

the movies u mentioned didn't get community support only a small number and i was one of the few ppl who liked idlewild...again, we make different types of movies we as a people do not support them. those movies are either intelligent or not laugh out loud funny so we won't watch...like zero said in another thread there is an iq war going on...and black folks r losing, they won't support smart movies or tv...

1. you do realize that mindless comedies almost always do better than most other kinds of films which is why hollywood pumps them out more often than anything else..

2. how do you know those films didn't get community support...its possible they got decent numbers from blacks but not from any other group..you know more than just black people go to the movies..

lemme go further The great debaters only made 30mil gross and when it was released only 3mil of a 15mil budget... compared to coontastic meet the browns which made 20mil opening weekend and 40mil gross...daddy's lil girls the movie y'all said shows blacks in a good light? 13mil opening weekend(released same year as meet the browns) and only 30mil gross... so it seems tyler perry's fanbase won't support positive movies either...now why did i get married, with all it's drama made a whopping 21mil opening weekend and a total 55mil gross...movie with fucked up black ppl, cheating and other horrid shit..y'all rushed out to support that...his other showing black ppl in a different light movie, family that preys...17mil opening...36gross...that movie had a fucked up black woman as the lead and the tpd's didn't like that no sir...
those numbers say it all as to why we don't get better movies in the black community... y'all won't support different...y'all want more fucked up, more cooning and more drama and more blame the black man & the black woman is always the victim movies...

same result in the rise of gangster rap over the last 20 years...ya'll supported that shit and black music is STILL fucked up behind it..

when the chronic/master p were out there was balance, there was gangsta rap there was silly rap there was thinking rap...and ppl supported... then shit switched up and more coon rap came out...more dumb music more pop more faggotry rappers...also rap sales have declined every year for the past 3 yrs b/c ppl won't support the rubbish that's out now...

gangster KILLED the conscious movement and you bought that shit as much as anyone else. Now you wanna complain??

so if ppl won't support musical rubbish why support film rubbish? stop giving tyler perry your money and he will go away and in his stead better black movies and tv will sprout up. long as he's around making bank hollywood will invest more in coon movies than real black movies. that's why u take it away from him. there needs to be diversity. with tyler there will never be that, hollywood won't promote or support diversity long as black folks promote and support cooning. sending a message to hollywood that we as a race demand more and forcing them to concede that we will get more will help everyone. even if it hurts the tpd's short term. sacrifices must be made to right this ship and save this race even if it means removing the friendly negro hollywood loves.

you refuse to accept that TP has tapped the damaged black female market (a LARGE market mind you). And it was a market that he cultivated over the last 15 years.. As a person who is trying to break into the industry you should know that Hollywood appeals to specific demographics. Just like Spike Lee had his in conscious minded blacks back in the late 80s, John Singleton found his with black youth and the fascination with thug/gang culture in the early 90s. And now Perry has his...

Stop whining and find YOURS!

i bring up cooning and shucking and jiving b/c it just made 51 mil and the better film only made 31... black folks will support the coon b4 anything else.

thats just fact.

or maybe...just maybe the better known BRAND made more money..

 

[ronmch20]

His father taught him well.

 

[AgentCreed]

yes he has tapped into that damaged female market for damn near EVERY movie he's done. he goes out and gets involved in more too(precious)... thats not tapping, that exploiting...its like fucking a girl u know is a nympho... u know fucking her will make her condition worse but u excuse it with "if i ain't fuckin someone else will so it might as well be me"... thats a weak excuse.

tyler bought the film rights to colored girls and according to the original writer of the material he butchered it and made it into one of his tyler perry...u r a victim and the black man caused it movies...the movie was also panned universally by critics black and white...the segment that loved it... angry black women...

dude knows what he's doing and its not cultivating its exploiting. and u and the other tpd's don't seem to be interested in holding him accountable...y'all give him a pass then say hollywood will make more diverse films yet when they finally do we as a race do not support...it's not whining to point that out... hollywood will not work to make diverse black films if we keep making excuses for the poor coontastic tyler perry films.

it seems whenever anyone becomes critical of his work he gets defensive and the tpd's spring into action but y'all will attack spike, mvp, anyone else who isn't pro-tyler but tyler can't be held to higher standards and expected to make better films that show black ppl as more than buffoons or people with violent tempers or criminals or child molesters etc etc etc...yes those things exist but they don't need to shown in EVERY DAMN MOVIE then marketed to US as our kind of movie...

tyler overcame a lot but now he's gotten lazy and just cranks out these coon fests knowing that the audience will be there... he makes no effort to improve and hollywood is like "YES!"...

menace to society exists for what it was a thug movie, it has its place scarface was about an italian drug lord and was originally black and white but was remade to what it is known as today.... i've seen amos and andy shows, i've seen mammy movies, i've seen birth of a nation i've seen a lot and read a lot of them...i've even had convo's with spike about the state of film past present and future back in the day and he even told he was pressured to make a cookie cutter film and refused.

i hold spike to a higher honor than tyler...he funded his own movies without some big distributer unlike tyler who bends over for lionsgate... u mention td jakes, he's a producer on jumping the broom and even him being a man of jesus didn't cause the movie to be too dramatic or preachy... i'd rather td jakes make movies than tyler least he knows how to diversify...

hollywood would shock me if they make another jumping the broom a feel good movie about happy black folks with no stress or anger at the end? once in a lifetime... they'll sure make tyler perry movies...thankfully according to imdb he won't be making another madea movie until at least 2013, hopefully in his absence hollywood will allow some real talented black film makers a chance to make proper black films.

but even with tyler taking a break from cooning he needs to be held to higher standards and called to the mat on his "works" he's the king of black hollywood he wears the crown and with it comes the weight of responsibility. and he must carry it. and he needs black people to demand of him to make better films or he needs to simply go away.

I wouldn't speak so fast on that one..Hollywood likes to replicate what works and TD Jakes has the similar formula and audience..don't be surprised if you see more from him...well you may be.


then they want the same image for italians because theyre going into overdrive with Jersey Shore offshoots.

which was what...a gangbangers wet dream? with a cautionary tale thrown in the middle..that movie did more damage than enlightning for black youth and youre okay with that??


not really..but whatever..


1. you do realize that mindless comedies almost always do better than most other kinds of films which is why hollywood pumps them out more often than anything else..

2. how do you know those films didn't get community support...its possible they got decent numbers from blacks but not from any other group..you know more than just black people go to the movies..



same result in the rise of gangster rap over the last 20 years...ya'll supported that shit and black music is STILL fucked up behind it..


gangster KILLED the conscious movement and you bought that shit as much as anyone else. Now you wanna complain??


you refuse to accept that TP has tapped the damaged black female market (a LARGE market mind you). And it was a market that he cultivated over the last 15 years.. As a person who is trying to break into the industry you should know that Hollywood appeals to specific demographics. Just like Spike Lee had his in conscious minded blacks back in the late 80s, John Singleton found his with black youth and the fascination with thug/gang culture in the early 90s. And now Perry has his...

Stop whining and find YOURS!



or maybe...just maybe the better known BRAND made more money..

 

[geechiedan]

yes he has tapped into that damaged female market for damn near EVERY movie he's done. he goes out and gets involved in more too(precious)... thats not tapping, that exploiting...its like fucking a girl u know is a nympho... u know fucking her will make her condition worse but u excuse it with "if i ain't fuckin someone else will so it might as well be me"... thats a weak excuse.

tyler bought the film rights to colored girls and according to the original writer of the material he butchered it and made it into one of his tyler perry...u r a victim and the black man caused it movies...the movie was also panned universally by critics black and white...the segment that loved it... angry black women...

dude knows what he's doing and its not cultivating its exploiting. and u and the other tpd's don't seem to be interested in holding him accountable...y'all give him a pass then say hollywood will make more diverse films yet when they finally do we as a race do not support...it's not whining to point that out... hollywood will not work to make diverse black films if we keep making excuses for the poor coontastic tyler perry films.

it seems whenever anyone becomes critical of his work he gets defensive and the tpd's spring into action but y'all will attack spike, mvp, anyone else who isn't pro-tyler but tyler can't be held to higher standards and expected to make better films that show black ppl as more than buffoons or people with violent tempers or criminals or child molesters etc etc etc...yes those things exist but they don't need to shown in EVERY DAMN MOVIE then marketed to US as our kind of movie...

tyler overcame a lot but now he's gotten lazy and just cranks out these coon fests knowing that the audience will be there... he makes no effort to improve and hollywood is like "YES!"...

menace to society exists for what it was a thug movie, it has its place scarface was about an italian drug lord and was originally black and white but was remade to what it is known as today.... i've seen amos and andy shows, i've seen mammy movies, i've seen birth of a nation i've seen a lot and read a lot of them...i've even had convo's with spike about the state of film past present and future back in the day and he even told he was pressured to make a cookie cutter film and refused.

are you fucking kidding me..

How many Fast And Furious movies are there...and what is it about black men STEALING CARS...and they made FIVE FUCKING MOVIES off that concept.

Friday - black men getting high and acting "coonish" how many times did Ice Cube go to the well on that one...

and yet not ONE MUMBLING WORD from you or anyone else about how detrimental or stereotypical those movies are..not one

i hold spike to a higher honor than tyler...he funded his own movies without some big distributer unlike tyler who bends over for lionsgate... u mention td jakes, he's a producer on jumping the broom and even him being a man of jesus didn't cause the movie to be too dramatic or preachy... i'd rather td jakes make movies than tyler least he knows how to diversify...

TP doesn't need Lionsgate to fund his films dude...his plays alone made more than 75 MILLION DOLLARS...he doesn't need them for greenlighting..his deal is for DISTRIBUTION..

if you wanna compare who's more self made then Perry beats Spike since he didn't go to film school or have relatives to front him the money to fund his first film (yes i read spikes book too) and he was HOMELESS.

hollywood would shock me if they make another jumping the broom a feel good movie about happy black folks with no stress or anger at the end? once in a lifetime... they'll sure make tyler perry movies...thankfully according to imdb he won't be making another madea movie until at least 2013, hopefully in his absence hollywood will allow some real talented black film makers a chance to make proper black films.

but even with tyler taking a break from cooning he needs to be held to higher standards and called to the mat on his "works" he's the king of black hollywood he wears the crown and with it comes the weight of responsibility. and he must carry it. and he needs black people to demand of him to make better films or he needs to simply go away.

keep thinking like that and you'll never make it in the industry or get anything done..

 

[AgentCreed]

man ur just gonna keep bringing films that really don't deal with black life...FAF has shit to do with the black community...just b/c it has 2 black bit characters...friday was what it was back in the day its a classic now it jumped the shark in later films and has not been made again...ice cube now makes positive family friendly movies... and exec produces some other stuff...

ur gonna believe what u want, its all glitter and unicorns out there black films makers face no issues, its about cultivating an audience even tho denzel has the biggest audience ever his movie the great debaters only made only made 3 mil opening weekend, i guess he didn't cultivate his audience huh? maybe if he wore a dress and made a bitter black woman he'd make more bank... perhaps spike should make a movie about the evils of the black man... i mean hey thats what sells and thats all that matters, fuck taking a stand and demanding more, lets all sell out for some bank... yup i understand u now.

are you fucking kidding me..

How many Fast And Furious movies are there...and what is it about black men STEALING CARS...and they made FIVE FUCKING MOVIES off that concept.

Friday - black men getting high and acting "coonish" how many times did Ice Cube go to the well on that one...

and yet not ONE MUMBLING WORD from you or anyone else about how detrimental or stereotypical those movies are..not one


TP doesn't need Lionsgate to fund his films dude...his plays alone made more than 75 MILLION DOLLARS...he doesn't need them for greenlighting..his deal is for DISTRIBUTION..

if you wanna compare who's more self made then Perry beats Spike since he didn't go to film school or have relatives to front him the money to fund his first film (yes i read spikes book too) and he was HOMELESS.



keep thinking like that and you'll never make it in the industry or get anything done..

 

[geechiedan]

man ur just gonna keep bringing films that really don't deal with black life...FAF has shit to do with the black community...just b/c it has 2 black bit characters...friday was what it was back in the day its a classic now it jumped the shark in later films and has not been made again...ice cube now makes positive family friendly movies... and exec produces some other stuff...

Really because according to IMDB he's making LAST FRIDAY coming out in 2012 so much for moving on huh here's a question will you protest it or write a thread about how its cooning or is it okay to you?

ur gonna believe what u want, its all glitter and unicorns out there black films makers face no issues, its about cultivating an audience even tho denzel has the biggest audience ever his movie the great debaters only made only made 3 mil opening weekend, i guess he didn't cultivate his audience huh? maybe if he wore a dress and made a bitter black woman he'd make more bank... perhaps spike should make a movie about the evils of the black man... i mean hey thats what sells and thats all that matters, fuck taking a stand and demanding more, lets all sell out for some bank... yup i understand u now.

both of denzel's films made a profit...Spike has a long track record..you see you wanna believe what you want. That tyler perry is keeping you from being all you can be and thats it.

 

[AgentCreed]

Really because according to IMDB he's making LAST FRIDAY coming out in 2012 so much for moving on huh here's a question will you protest it or write a thread about how its cooning or is it okay to you?



both of denzel's films made a profit...Spike has a long track record..you see you wanna believe what you want. That tyler perry is keeping you from being all you can be and thats it.

great debaters in the end made profit a from nov to april but opening weekend it only made 3mil... but yeah denzel didn't cultivate his audience. he should ask tyler how he did and how to make movies too...spike has never given a damn about profit, he tells a story his way and i respect that.

tyler isn't holding me back...i have no intentions of making serious things for the american audience. american movie watchers are stupid and want bang whiz zoom nudity and don't care for good story telling. i'm a writer i respect the craft i write stories i tell lessons my work is more bbc than hollywood...

thats y i'm going thru novels 1st, my work will be made into larger media in ways i approve and if its not it simply won't be made... and i have no problem with that. i never fancied myself a film maker..i'm a writer if i become a film maker i'll be more spike lee than tyler perry and i'm good with that. but novels is my means to an end and with novels i control the context and the evolution for my books.

bbc has a huge market that america tries to raid often, africa is developing a film production market that again is untouched by america...canada has a market thats not influenced by americans...there are other markets for me and my style of work, to be honest i have no interest in america media the networks are retarded, the viewers are simple minded and the big production houses want the same ole same ole... so please understand, tyler perry isn't hold me back he's holding himself back and holding back others who want to make media for the american black audience. i know a lot of talented black writers who can't make it or won't get a second look b/c they aren't doing what the studios want aka tyler perry style coon films...some make it by selling out others make it by selling to tyler and keeping their mouth shut... others go work 9 to 5's and defer the dream.

until black america wakes up totally and starts demanding more we will get less, and tyler perry is less. but it's ok, he has cultivated an audience of bitter angry black women who all feel black men are the devil and he makes bank. thats all that matters, making bank & selling out.

 

[quietly freaky]

but it can't be about attacking the bad shows... you work in television..how many chances are they going to take with an unknown product especially an unknown that supposed to appeal to a fraction of the population?

Some italians HATE Jersey Shore...Italy refused to let them in their country. But they bring in the numbers and MTV is doing SPINOFFS of that shit. They don't care about negative backlash as long as the numbers stay up.

Take The Game for instance...CW cancelled it but it had a vocal fanbase..when BET picked it up and debuted the new season more people than they thought tuned in. Thats because black people and people in general said thats what their FOR..then showed up to support it.

And that is what I am saying. It is not about attacking the bad shows.. It is about having balance. There are many black shows that will never see the light of day because there is no demand from the audience. The audience has gotten lulled into a sense that all it wants to see is buffoonery and coonery mixed in with some jesus. Now I don't care on the surface, however, when that is all you see and then people complain about what is one tv to their friends and on boards like this one and NOT take it to the execs... that is a problem...

BTW.. BET picked up "The Game" at half the budget it had on the CW and it will soon go the way of the do-do bird as well.

 

[keone]

 

[followup]

Forest Whitaker has been the most consistent of the old school film makers, in my opinion...outside of "Ghost Dog"...now how has HE been able to make diverse films and stay relevant, while others have not??? I don't hear Forest talking about Tyler Perry is making it hard for him black folks STAY making excuses. You will never get ahead if you do not figure out how to make your own path.

 

[followup]

Really because according to IMDB he's making LAST FRIDAY coming out in 2012 so much for moving on huh here's a question will you protest it or write a thread about how its cooning or is it okay to you?

both of denzel's films made a profit...Spike has a long track record..you see you wanna believe what you want. That tyler perry is keeping you from being all you can be and thats it.

you hit the nail on the head.

 

[followup]

SO BASICALLY YOU KNOW MORE THAN TYLER PERRY, MARIO VAN PEEBLES, SPIKE LEE DENZEL WASHINGTON,THE HUGHES BROTHERS, ECT...

EVERYBODY ON THAT LIST HAVE SPOKEN FRANK ABOUT THE TYLER PERRY, SPIKE LEE SITUATION.

ALSO:

Malcolm X 1992 Budget $33,000,000 Gross revenue $48,169,910 (Not Successful It Only Made 15 Million)- spike pissed off a lot of people to get this flick made and tends to turn off people personally..

Boyz in the Hood 1991 Budget $6.5 million Gross $57,504,069(Very Successful) - and spawned the "hood" genre of films that lasted a while

The Wood 1999 Budget $6 million Gross revenue $25,059,640(Not Worth It Again) - but there were other films about black men and friendship like...

The Brothers 2001 Budget $6,000,000 Gross revenue $27,958,191(Did Ok For A Quick Flip) - BINGO.. and it made a profit

The Best Man 1999 Budget $9,000,000 Gross revenue $34,102,780(Ok Quick Flip) here's another "the wood" type flick

Waiting to Exhale 1995 Budget $15,000,000 Gross $81,452,156(Very Successful) - the first black female friendship flick to spawn others as well

Love Jones 1997 Budget $10,000,000 Gross Revenue $12,316,000(Not Successful) - not much profit but that didn' stop other black romcoms to come out

Poetic Justice 1993 Budget $14,000,000 Gross revenue $27,515,786(Not Successful) - another in the hood film by Singleton the second in his "trilogy"

Juice 1992 Budget 6,000,000 Gross revenue $20,146,880(Ok Flip Not Worth ANother) - really cuz there were others..

New Jack City 1991 Budget $8 million Gross revenue $47,624,353(Successful Quick Flip) - Black drug cops and roobers flick to come out and spawn lesser versions

Do the Right Thing 1989 Budget $6.5 million Gross $37,295,445(Successful Quick Flip) - All of spikes films earlyon made a decent profit...his movies performed in the same manner business wise back then that Perry's does now..

Meteor Man 1993 Budget Unknown Gross revenue $8,023,147(Very Un-Successful) - black comedy superhero flick..not the only one tho..

Cadillac Records 2008 Budget $12 million Gross revenue $8,880,045(Un-Successful) - Beyonce overkill most likely..

Dreamgirls 2006 Budget $80 million Gross revenue $154,852,975(Very Successful) - had a built in audience and fanbase

Higher Learning 1995 Gross revenue $58 million(Successful) - interesting..it was successful yet have you seen another black youth in college film??

Are We there Yet? 2005 Budget $32 million Gross $97,918,663(Successful) - Ice Cube goes soft and makes a killing more than he ever did as a hardass..lol

Big Momma's House 2000 Budget $30 million Gross $173,959,438(Very Successful)- guess crossdressing IS successfel huh?

Rosewood 1997 Budget $31,000,000 Gross 37,000,000(Un-Successful) - who wanted to see a flick where we KNOW black people are gonna lose?

Menace to Society 1993 Budget $3.5 million Gross $27.9 million(Successful Quick Flip) - and spawned even more and worse in the hood films

Banboozled 2000 Budget $10,000,000 Gross revenue $2,463,650(Un-Successful) - again spike's heavy handed touch on the subject matter turned everyone off..

Baby Boy 2001 Budget $16 million Gross revenue $29,381,649(Un-Successful) - Singletons "hood films" trifecta but by this time the genre was getting old..

Dead presidents 1995 Budget $15 million Gross $24,147,179 (Un-Successful) - made its money but the downer ending probably worked against it in word of mouth.

ALL THE ABOVE MOVIES YOU PICKED ONLY A FEW WERE SUCCESSFUL. REMEMBER ITS ABOUT DOLLARS, AND CENTS WITH HOLLYWOOD.

Thanks. I rest my case. Didn't have all of the numbers, but all but a couple were commercial successes and black people supported those films in large numbers. And every single last one of those films is different from Tyler Perry's films. So, basically, people hating on Tyler Perry are full of shit and none of their arguments hold water.

45mm: kill yaself for thinking that a film costing $6 million and grossing $27 million is "not successful". Or $15 million making $24 million? Just straight bamboozling in this thread. You have an agenda, right?

 

[Pworld297]

He makes good points, we just need to see more of other things. All we see is us being fools, playing sports or being thugs..... It's a market for that stuff but its also a market for showing blacks in a more positive light.

 

[BigATLslim]

This is an interesting thread. The viewpoints definitely reflect the diversity in thinking amongst a group, us as blacks, that is often homogenized.

 

[Hellfish]

Forest Whitaker has been the most consistent of the old school film makers, in my opinion...outside of "Ghost Dog"...now how has HE been able to make diverse films and stay relevant, while others have not??? I don't hear Forest talking about Tyler Perry is making it hard for him black folks STAY making excuses. You will never get ahead if you do not figure out how to make your own path.

consistent He's made 5 movies 2 of which was made for TV. His relevance stems from his acting not his films.

2004 First Daughter

1998 Hope Floats

1998 Black Jaq (TV movie)

1995 Waiting to Exhale

1993 Strapped (TV movie)

 

[SpiritualPorn]

This is an interesting thread. The viewpoints definitely reflect the diversity in thinking amongst a group, us as blacks, that is often homogenized.

Very good point...

 

[hollywood310]

ONE MORE THING GEECHIDAN. WHY DO YOU KEEP GOING BACK TO THE MOVIES POSTED, WHEN FOLLOWUP IS THE ONE THAT POSTED THOSE MOVIES????

YOUR TRYING TO MAKE MY POST LOOK BAD, WHEN SHE IS THE PERSON WHO POSTED THOSE MOVIES.

I NEVER IN MY LIFE SAW SO MANY MEN IN ONE PLACE, WHO ACT LIKE FUCKING GIRLS. HOW ARE YOU GOING TO USE HER BACKFIRE POST TO TAKE A SHOT AT ME??

WHATS FUNNY TO ME IS, I THINK YOUR EITHER A WOMAN BEHIND THAT NAME, OR YOUR A GAY ASS MAN. I BEEN ON THIS BOARD FOR YEARS, AND YOUR ALWAYS ON THAT SHIT.

A MANLY MAN DOESNT MOVE LIKE THAT.

NOW I KNOW YOUR GONNA COME BACK WITH SOME WIERDO SHIT TO TRY TO KEEP ME POSTING. ALL I CAN SAY IS GOOD LUCK WITH THAT.

PEACE.

You know, I can dig that. I am getting some weird vibe from "it's defense of TP and "it's" tone in the replies. That's why I quit interacting with it in this thread. Something just ain't right

 

[ballscout1]

So how come the Great Debaters is given props and it was directed by Denzel and Produced by Oprah.

 

[Damn Right]

It is hate because the people who do the most talking never do anything to help the problem. All they do is heckle from the sidelines.

They can make a movie just as easy as T...P but they come up with a million excuses

can tell from your posts that u don't know sheit about how a movie gets green lit and made. and after u make it comes the distribution. then the marketing. then the promoting, etc.

and let's say a $30 million film paid for by black folks gets made with nuthin but black dollars. how do you plan to have it shown and get a chance to recoup your investment? black folks don't own nationwide distribution companies. there are THOUSANDS of film production companies in existance. only a few studios. why u think you see the same studios showing different films in all the theaters around the country? they got that sheit on LOCK. film distribution in theater chains is on LOCK.

only a dumb fuk would sugget that black folks risk their own personal wealth by making films. white folks don't do that sheit. studio exes don't use their own money. they use THE COMPANY'S money. and where do the company's get their loot? big bank loans and lines of credit.

tyler perry found his niche and used it to get to where he is. more power to him. i don't like his films. but i don't hate on the brother either. but still most serious thinkers already know that if his brand of humor and film making involved topics that questioned traditional social or economic class settings or any type of revolution, you would NOT see his sheit all over america, no matter how many black folks bought his self-made flicks in beauty shops or in play houses. people say 'oh, he catered to the black audience and got started renting out the playhouses himself. he went to where black people liked to go and sold his stuff there in such large quantities and got so 'hood famous' that hollywood took notice'.

they took notice of the numbers and THEN took notice of the content. his content was deemed safe and that was that

 

[AgentCreed]

. but still most serious thinkers already know that if his brand of humor and film making involved topics that questioned traditional social or economic class settings or any type of revolution, you would NOT see his sheit all over america, no matter how many black folks bought his self-made flicks in beauty shops or in play houses. people say 'oh, he catered to the black audience and got started renting out the playhouses himself. he went to where black people liked to go and sold his stuff there in such large quantities and got so 'hood famous' that hollywood took notice'.

they took notice of the numbers and THEN took notice of the content. his content was deemed safe and that was that

THANK YOU! another person who gets it!...the tpd's are acting like just b/c he worked the chitlin circuit he earned his power no, hollywood chose him as the safe negro and gave him the power to run shit and they run interference to keep the safe negro on top...

 

[AgentCreed]

So how come the Great Debaters is given props and it was directed by Denzel and Produced by Oprah.

it's given props within the black community for showing us doing something we normally don't do and winning at something not sports or music related. but financially it's considered a failure by hollywood b/c its opening weekend stats sucked for a movie with the star power it had. hollywood said "we ain't making no more smart negro movies! nu uh make the coon movies those make bank!" black folks will flood theaters for stupid movies but smart movies nope, i dare u to try to find 7 black ppl who saw the kings speech and said it was cool...hell find 12 ppl who saw medicine for the melancholy...u won't...too smart for them and requires too much brain power not enough dancing and acting coonish... it's all about making bank and selling out.