Mario Van Peebles Speaks on Spike & Tyler perry Beef

[followup]

Nothing is stopping them. Many aren't waiting for hollywood, as other mediums are being used to release projects. TP aint some damn visionary, as MVP said the biggest issue is the imagery & how Blacks become defined by his movies.

When did having an opinion become hate?? Everybody won't like and agree on everything. Is it really a stretch to see the person who made Bamboozeled dislikes TP's work??

hate is when you have such vocal/adamant disdain for someone for no good reason. Tyler Perry has become successful doing what HE loves to do. No reason to be salty and hate. Just do what you do and hope it will be well received...the only people who think blacks are defined by Tyler Perry movies are idiots. Trust, the image that Tyler Perry puts in his films are not the image that most people in the U.S. or in the world have about black Americans. You can thank balling & flossing in videos and murdering each other for that image. All of this anger & hatred is misdirected. Let the man breathe.

And the point is not disliking Tyler Perry's work. Hell, tons of people hate Spike's work too. But just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be made. We need ALL of it. So instead of whining and having this "woe is me" attitude, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

Cosby did Fat Albert.



he has no room to be used as a reference for NOT producing buffoonish shit.

 

[geechiedan]

hate is when you have such vocal/adamant disdain for someone for no good reason. Tyler Perry has become successful doing what HE loves to do. No reason to be salty and hate. Just do what you do and hope it will be well received...the only people who think blacks are defined by Tyler Perry movies are idiots. Trust, the image that Tyler Perry puts in his films are not the image that most people in the U.S. or in the world have about black Americans. You can thank balling & flossing in videos and murdering each other for that image. All of this anger & hatred is misdirected. Let the man breathe.

And the point is not disliking Tyler Perry's work. Hell, tons of people hate Spike's work too. But just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be made. We need ALL of it. So instead of whining and having this "woe is me" attitude, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

 

[unknownsoldier]

hate is when you have such vocal/adamant disdain for someone for no good reason. Tyler Perry has become successful doing what HE loves to do. No reason to be salty and hate. Just do what you do and hope it will be well received...the only people who think blacks are defined by Tyler Perry movies are idiots. Trust, the image that Tyler Perry puts in his films are not the image that most people in the U.S. or in the world have about black Americans. You can thank balling & flossing in videos and murdering each other for that image. All of this anger & hatred is misdirected. Let the man breathe.

And the point is not disliking Tyler Perry's work. Hell, tons of people hate Spike's work too. But just because you don't like it, doesn't mean that it doesn't need to be made. We need ALL of it. So instead of whining and having this "woe is me" attitude, DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT

All of this is your opinion, which you're entitled to have.

 

[Silencer]

then youre calling them idiots...and thats insulting.

just accept that not everyone sees everything in the same manner.

It would be insulting if that's what I was saying...but it's not. I'm pretty sure the actors (and other behind the scenes crew) who made Leprechaun in Space for example, were not under the impression they were making some cinematic masterpiece.

 

[BlackIce05]

All of this is your opinion, which you're entitled to have.

Besides, "doing something about it" becomes harder when such precedent has been set by the recent slew of TP movies. I don't think people "hate" or whatever word TP defenders use, on his success. On the contrary. I think people talk about what he is doing and has done because he is making it harder for others to do something different.

 

[unknownsoldier]

Besides, "doing something about it" becomes harder when such precedent has been set by the recent slew of TP movies. I don't think people "hate" or whatever word TP defenders use, on his success. On the contrary. I think people talk about what he is doing and has done because he is making it harder for others to do something different.

 

[BlackIce05]

I don't think the applause is necessary. People like TP, both black and white, as well as the people who support his movies make it harder for black people who are trying to create a different black image within the industry that much harder. I'm glad he's making money, and he should keep making it, but he's put Hollywood's ear to him, and they won't be listening to anyone else, as far as having predominately black movies/black leads (non-coonery, for quite some time.

 

[followup]

Cosby did Fat Albert.



he has no room to be used as a reference for NOT producing buffoonish shit.

but it's classic and it's ours. Just like Little Bill is ours and the Boondocks. We need it all.

 

[geechiedan]

It would be insulting if that's what I was saying...but it's not. I'm pretty sure the actors (and other behind the scenes crew) who made Leprechaun in Space for example, were not under the impression they were making some cinematic masterpiece.

true but i'm sure they don't think theyre making something thats a detriment to society either...and they would be insulted and confused to see people coming at them like that..

 

[followup]

Besides, "doing something about it" becomes harder when such precedent has been set by the recent slew of TP movies. I don't think people "hate" or whatever word TP defenders use, on his success. On the contrary. I think people talk about what he is doing and has done because he is making it harder for others to do something different.

well, if you want to get technical with it, Tyler perry is not the one who set the precedent in black film. Like I told some of the other black film makers on the board: don't base what you are doing on Tyler Perry. What were you doing BEFORE he came on the scene? **silence**

All of this is your opinion, which you're entitled to have.

Absolutely. Just like you have yours But why state the obvious?

I don't think the applause is necessary. People like TP, both black and white, as well as the people who support his movies make it harder for black people who are trying to create a different black image within the industry that much harder. I'm glad he's making money, and he should keep making it, but he's put Hollywood's ear to him, and they won't be listening to anyone else, as far as having predominately black movies/black leads (non-coonery, for quite some time.

Not really. Black people have ALWAYS supported black films: good, bad, or mediocre. We love to see us on camera. So we can have Tyler Perry, John Singleton, Spike Lee, etc. ALL making films and they will be supported in large numbers by black audiences. We've seen it before. You all are reaching to place blame on him for the incompetence of those before him. It's not right. PLENTY of non-coon black fillms have been made and have been successful. As well, Tyler Perry's films are not coonish. As I asked a previous poster, can you please give me a specific example of coonery in a Tyler Perry film?

I can give you one example from Martin Lawrence & Eddie Murphy: The ENTIRE movie called "Life". That is what I see as cooning...No point to the film. Just showing black people in a lower way for nothing...whoops a piece of pie & a watch...

 

[geechiedan]

Besides, "doing something about it" becomes harder when such precedent has been set by the recent slew of TP movies. I don't think people "hate" or whatever word TP defenders use, on his success. On the contrary. I think people talk about what he is doing and has done because he is making it harder for others to do something different.

really cuz TD jakes is doing the SAME genre as TP and he's not seeing any problems with support and greenlighting..
Spike Lee has another film coming out and despite his accusations he's not having problems producing work..

This notion that Perry's success makes it harder for the next black man is sad and ridiculous..

I don't think the applause is necessary. People like TP, both black and white, as well as the people who support his movies make it harder for black people who are trying to create a different black image within the industry that much harder. I'm glad he's making money, and he should keep making it, but he's put Hollywood's ear to him, and they won't be listening to anyone else, as far as having predominately black movies/black leads (non-coonery, for quite some time.

I find this hilarious because thats the same argument people had 20 years ago when gangster rap came on the scene...

Whats funny is the people protesting and having a problem hardcore/gangster rap were church people and older people and non gangster rappers who said the exactly same thing about that music and its negative imagery and its impact on the black community.. and you know what the people who disagreed said... stop whining its free speech and they have rights and do something different etc..meanwhile they went on to continue to purchase all those CDs and songs and play them loudly and make all those gangster rappers rich..

Now some 20 years later those church people are supporting films that have "negative" images and make TP rich and now some of the SAME people who supported those gangster rappers back then suddenly have a problem with this now..

 

[Mentor B]

Whenever there was a poll on black directors, he usually came close to last.

What's sad is that he has made the efforts to show the other side of black folk and got killed as a result.

Remember how 'Panther' got slaughtered by dumb assed black picketers?

Yet who ever picketed Tyler?

Exactly...people in this thread talkin' all this stuff about how others need not hate and go make their own movie. Well it's already been brothers who put out quality movies exemplary of Blacks in a positive light. And guess what? Black people didn't show up.

I Don't blame Tyler Perry. Hell, he probably secretly agree with Spike and other critics that his shit is coonery but just doing it for the money. You know...selling out...

The real dumbasses to blame are just dumbass Black people...yeah that's right...some of you posters in here defending Perry. YOU!

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[ClevelandDawg216]

Exactly...people in this thread talkin' all this stuff about how others need not hate and go make their own movie. Well it's already been brothers who put out quality movies exemplary of Blacks in a positive light. And guess what? Black people didn't show up.

I Don't blame Tyler Perry. Hell, he probably secretly agree with Spike and other critics that his shit is coonery but just doing it for the money. You know...selling out...

The real dumbasses to blame are just dumbass Black people...yeah that's right...some of you posters in here defending Perry. YOU!

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[geechiedan]

Exactly...people in this thread talkin' all this stuff about how others need not hate and go make their own movie. Well it's already been brothers who put out quality movies exemplary of Blacks in a positive light. And guess what? Black people didn't show up.

I Don't blame Tyler Perry. Hell, he probably secretly agree with Spike and other critics that his shit is coonery but just doing it for the money. You know...selling out...

The real dumbasses to blame are just dumbass Black people...yeah that's right...some of you posters in here defending Perry. YOU!

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didn't you just defend perry in a round about way?

I've all along said the problem isn't perry... and the problem isn't his supporters either.

the problem is the people who sit on the sidelines period.

I'll make a bet that if you could find out the demographic that did show up to MVP films and John Singletons Rosewood and Spike lees war flick that it was probably the same church going black people who support TP films..at least a good number of them.

you guys are probably pointing a finger at the wrong people..

 

[followup]

didn't you just defend perry in a round about way?

I've all along said the problem isn't perry... and the problem isn't his supporters either.

the problem is the people who sit on the sidelines period.

I'll make a bet that if you could find out the demographic that did show up to MVP films and John Singletons Rosewood and Spike lees war flick that it was probably the same church going black people who support TP films..at least a good number of them.

you guys are probably pointing a finger at the wrong people..

it's much easier to sit around and whine instead of facing facts. sadly, when asked to give specific examples of what they find wrong with his films, they can't do it crabs.

EDIT: and yes, a lot of the people are the same crowds supporting ALL black films. so basically, people are just hating to hate

 

[K Luv]

100% true

 

[ansatsusha_gouki]

I find it interesting that the people who are defending Tisha Perry,would be the first people to cause an uproar if a white director does the exact thing TP is doing....

 

[45mm]

@FOLLOWUP. ITS OBVIOUS YOU DIDNT WATCH THE WHOLE INTERVIEW BECAUSE HE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF HIS ACTING AND DIRECTING PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS. HE EVEN TALKED ABOUT BILL COSBY, AND HIS FATHER TEACHING HIM ABOUT HOLLYWOOD. TOWARDS THE END OF THE INTERVIEW IS WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT SPIKE LEE AND TYLER PERRY.

ME PERSONALLY I DONT HAVE ISSUES WITH TYLER PERRY BECAUSE I DONT SPEND MONEY TO SUPPORT HIM. MY ISSUES ARE WITH IGNORANT BLACK FOLKS WHO DONT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NICHE, AND "SHUCKING & JIVING"

IT SAYS ALOT ABOUT US AS A PEOPLE WHEN WE GO OUT AND SUPPORT TYLER PERRY BLINDLY, BUT DID NOT GO OUT AND SUPPORT "THE GREAT DEBATERS" "AND DONT FORGET TO MUCH OF ANYTHING IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU"

AND FOR EVERYBODY THAT IS AROUND HERE SAYING IF YOU WANT THAT TYPE OF MOVIE THEN GO MAKE IT. DO YOU GUYS REALIZE HOW HARD IT IS TO GET SUPPORT FOR THESE TYPES OF MOVIES? THEN WHEN YOU DO GET THE SUPPORT OUR PEOPLE DO NOT GO OUT AND SUPPORT IT.

EVERY BLACK WRITER AND DIRECTOR IN THE WORLD CAN POOL TOGETHER AND MAKE MOVIES, BUT IF OUR PEOPLE DONT SUPPORT THEM THEN WHAT IS THE POINT???

THATS WHY I SAY AS BLACK PEOPLE WE NEED TO DO SO MUCH BETTER. WE SUPPORT STUFF THAT DOESNT ADVANCE US AS A PEOPLE, BUT TURN OUR NOSES UP AT STUFF THAT SHOWS US IN A DIGNIFIED LIGHT.

IM ASHAMED OF HOW WE AS PEOPLE THINK THESE DAYS.

 

[followup]

I watched the ENTIRE video...not just the part recommended by the OP. That's how I don't see how he can throw salt on tyler Perry when he is doing exactly what Melvin Van Peebles did and goign even further. He may not like the films Tyler Perry makes, but that does not mean that Tyler Perry is preventing others from doing what they want.

 

[followup]

Since nobody but me is willing to post examples of what they are claiming, here are a handful of black films which we have supported and were VERY successful AND VERY different from the films Tyler Perry has made (I'm going from the late 80s/90s onward):
Malcolm X
Boyz in the Hood
The Wood
The Brothers
The Best Man
Waiting to Exhale
Love Jones
Poetic Justice
Juice
New Jack City
Do the Right Thing
Meteor Man
Cadillac Records
Dreamgirls
Higher Learning
Are We there Yet?
Big Momma's House
Rosewood
Menace to Society
Banboozled
Baby Boy
Dead presidents
(that's just from the top of my head, but there have been many more)

not a single tyler Perry film on my list...still think WE don't support other types of black films???? just bold-face lying or ignoring the truth in this thread. The question is: WHY?

 

[45mm]

i watched the entire video...not just the part recommended by the op. That's how i don't see how he can throw salt on tyler perry when he is doing exactly what melvin van peebles did and goign even further. He may not like the films tyler perry makes, but that does not mean that tyler perry is preventing others from doing what they want.

he never said that tyler perry was preventing others from making movies. He said "we need a diverse diet in these movies"

@followup. I rarely come into a thread your in over the years, because there is no "lets meet in the middle" with you.

Its woman power or no power.

When in reality white folks are playing us against each other and loving it.

Black men need to grow the fuck up and be accountable for there behavior. And black women need to understand there roles in society.

Everything is not always about a tug of war.


Peace.

 

[followup]

and another thing: why do black people always feel the need to tell other black people how black they should be or how they should behave? it's crazy. LOL @ throwing the term "Tyler Perry supporter" around like that is an insult. Nobody in this thread is a "tyler Perry supporter" any more than a Spike Lee or Mario van Peebles, etc supporter. I don't like every film that every black director makes, but I think that it's impressive that they are doing it. As well, of all of the things BLACK MEN always claim Tyler Perry does in his films, they can never back it up with specific examples. Why is that???

There are, however, Tyler Perry haters who say things like 'When Martin and them did it, it was not the same as Tyler Perry'. Or 'Since Tyler Perry is around, nobody else is getting any shine'. Both are ludicrous statements.

 

[followup]

he never said that tyler perry was preventing others from making movies. He said "we need a diverse diet in these movies"

@followup. I rarely come into a thread your in over the years, because there is no "lets meet in the middle" with you.

Its woman power or no power.

When in reality white folks are playing us against each other and loving it.

Black men need to grow the fuck up and be accountable for there behavior. And black women need to understand there roles in society.

Everything is not always about a tug of war.


Peace.

so you finally admit you're on some bullshit. What the hell is "woman power"? Where did THAT come from? I have never said that bullshit in my life. And what are you talking about meeting in the middle? You post your opinion and it's valid. I post mine and it's "let's meet in the middle". Why can't 2 adults (assuming you are an adult) disagree about a given issue and that's just it?

Secondly, white folks are not the ones constantly bringing up Tyler Perry for no good reason. It is black people, and sad to say it's mostly black men No need to drag any white or other folks into this madness. This is all on black folks. LOL @ the "role" of black women in society. I don't even want to know why that was brought up. Was that meant to put me in my place? Well, nice to know that you lack the intelligence to debate ONLINE

Lastly, watch the video again and you will see that unlike you, I did not make up one thing that I stated.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

but it's classic and it's ours. Just like Little Bill is ours and the Boondocks. We need it all.

we dont NEED anything that is full of AMAZINGLY stereotypical caricatures of Black people with nothing to balance the buffoonery out.

Cosby knew that shit was disparaging to Black people, thats why it took FOREVER to get to syndication and made into dvd sets. they went back and edited the HELL out of that show to make it more timely and less offensive.

even in the 70's i only tolerated it, cause i wanted to know why all the Black people on tv (Sanford and Son, Good Times, Fat Albert) had to be poor and living in the JUNK YARD.

hell, the RICH Black folks on tv lived in a 2 bedroom 2 bath ECONOMY apartment (the Jeffersons), but thats another argument altogether.

alls i'm saying is that Cosby contributed to coonish presentations of Black folks as much or more than Perry, so Cosby can't be used as a source for comparison.

 

[ClevelandDawg216]

we dont NEED anything that is full of AMAZINGLY stereotypical caricatures of Black people with nothing to balance the buffoonery out.

Cosby knew that shit was disparaging to Black people, thats why it took FOREVER to get to syndication and made into dvd sets. they went back and edited the HELL out of that show to make it more timely and less offensive.

even in the 70's i only tolerated it, cause i wanted to know why all the Black people on tv (Sanford and Son, Good Times, Fat Albert) had to be poor and living in the JUNK YARD.

hell, the RICH Black folks on tv lived in a 2 bedroom 2 bath ECONOMY apartment (the Jeffersons), but thats another argument altogether.

alls i'm saying is that Cosby contributed to coonish presentations of Black folks as much or more than Perry, so Cosby can't be used as a source for comparison.

and then he stepped his game up.

i didnt watch fat albert because it was before my time, but at least cosby switched it up for the cosby show and different world.

 

[geechiedan]

@FOLLOWUP. ITS OBVIOUS YOU DIDNT WATCH THE WHOLE INTERVIEW BECAUSE HE TALKED ABOUT ALL OF HIS ACTING AND DIRECTING PROJECTS THAT ARE IN THE WORKS. HE EVEN TALKED ABOUT BILL COSBY, AND HIS FATHER TEACHING HIM ABOUT HOLLYWOOD. TOWARDS THE END OF THE INTERVIEW IS WHEN THE QUESTION WAS ASKED ABOUT SPIKE LEE AND TYLER PERRY.

ME PERSONALLY I DONT HAVE ISSUES WITH TYLER PERRY BECAUSE I DONT SPEND MONEY TO SUPPORT HIM. MY ISSUES ARE WITH IGNORANT BLACK FOLKS WHO DONT UNDERSTAND THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NICHE, AND "SHUCKING & JIVING"

IT SAYS ALOT ABOUT US AS A PEOPLE WHEN WE GO OUT AND SUPPORT TYLER PERRY BLINDLY, BUT DID NOT GO OUT AND SUPPORT "THE GREAT DEBATERS" "AND DONT FORGET TO MUCH OF ANYTHING IS NOT GOOD FOR YOU"

AND FOR EVERYBODY THAT IS AROUND HERE SAYING IF YOU WANT THAT TYPE OF MOVIE THEN GO MAKE IT. DO YOU GUYS REALIZE HOW HARD IT IS TO GET SUPPORT FOR THESE TYPES OF MOVIES? THEN WHEN YOU DO GET THE SUPPORT OUR PEOPLE DO NOT GO OUT AND SUPPORT IT.

EVERY BLACK WRITER AND DIRECTOR IN THE WORLD CAN POOL TOGETHER AND MAKE MOVIES, BUT IF OUR PEOPLE DONT SUPPORT THEM THEN WHAT IS THE POINT???

THATS WHY I SAY AS BLACK PEOPLE WE NEED TO DO SO MUCH BETTER. WE SUPPORT STUFF THAT DOESNT ADVANCE US AS A PEOPLE, BUT TURN OUR NOSES UP AT STUFF THAT SHOWS US IN A DIGNIFIED LIGHT.

IM ASHAMED OF HOW WE AS PEOPLE THINK THESE DAYS.

how do you know that the people who didn't see denzels film were TP supporters??

and whats shucking and jiving in TP films specifically?

again church folk (particularly women) are the onbes who support black projects THE MOST...its like the elderly and voting..

so why keep in insulting them?

and again the diverse diet argument goes to the audience in general not TP or his supporters (which most likely supports MVP as well)

The underlying aspect of the diet argument is that its really saying stop going to TP films so much. because thats what you do in a diet you STOP some activities and increase others..

and then you guys wonder how people can read hate in it

 

[Silencer]

Since nobody but me is willing to post examples of what they are claiming, here are a handful of black films which we have supported and were VERY successful AND VERY different from the films Tyler Perry has made (I'm going from the late 80s/90s onward):
Malcolm X
Boyz in the Hood
The Wood
The Brothers
The Best Man
Waiting to Exhale
Love Jones
Poetic Justice
Juice
New Jack City
Do the Right Thing
Meteor Man
Cadillac Records
Dreamgirls
Higher Learning
Are We there Yet?
Big Momma's House
Rosewood
Menace to Society
Banboozled
Baby Boy
Dead presidents
(that's just from the top of my head, but there have been many more)

not a single tyler Perry film on my list...still think WE don't support other types of black films???? just bold-face lying or ignoring the truth in this thread. The question is: WHY?

What is your definition of succesful when refering to the films you listed? Just asking because many of them were not financially successful...

 

[geechiedan]

What is your definition of succesful when refering to the films you listed? Just asking because many of them were not financially successful...

thats debatable..you would have to go down the line and find out how much each film cost to produce and how it made at the BO plus home video sales etc..

I would wager that while most of those films weren't blockbusters most if not all made some profit.

 

[45mm]

Since nobody but me is willing to post examples of what they are claiming, here are a handful of black films which we have supported and were VERY successful AND VERY different from the films Tyler Perry has made (I'm going from the late 80s/90s onward):
Malcolm X
Boyz in the Hood
The Wood
The Brothers
The Best Man
Waiting to Exhale
Love Jones
Poetic Justice
Juice
New Jack City
Do the Right Thing
Meteor Man
Cadillac Records
Dreamgirls
Higher Learning
Are We there Yet?
Big Momma's House
Rosewood
Menace to Society
Banboozled
Baby Boy
Dead presidents
(that's just from the top of my head, but there have been many more)

not a single tyler Perry film on my list...still think WE don't support other types of black films???? just bold-face lying or ignoring the truth in this thread. The question is: WHY?

SO BASICALLY YOU KNOW MORE THAN TYLER PERRY, MARIO VAN PEEBLES, SPIKE LEE DENZEL WASHINGTON,THE HUGHES BROTHERS, ECT...

EVERYBODY ON THAT LIST HAVE SPOKEN FRANK ABOUT THE TYLER PERRY, SPIKE LEE SITUATION.

ALSO:

Malcolm X 1992 Budget $33,000,000 Gross revenue $48,169,910 (Not Successful It Only Made 15 Million)

Boyz in the Hood 1991 Budget $6.5 million Gross $57,504,069(Very Successful)
The Wood 1999 Budget $6 million Gross revenue $25,059,640(Not Worth It Again)

The Brothers 2001 Budget $6,000,000 Gross revenue $27,958,191(Did Ok For A Quick Flip)

The Best Man 1999 Budget $9,000,000 Gross revenue $34,102,780(Ok Quick Flip)

Waiting to Exhale 1995 Budget $15,000,000 Gross $81,452,156(Very Successful)

Love Jones 1997 Budget $10,000,000 Gross Revenue $12,316,000(Not Successful)

Poetic Justice 1993 Budget $14,000,000 Gross revenue $27,515,786(Not Successful)

Juice 1992 Budget 6,000,000 Gross revenue $20,146,880(Ok Flip Not Worth ANother)

New Jack City 1991 Budget $8 million Gross revenue $47,624,353(Successful Quick Flip)
Do the Right Thing 1989 Budget $6.5 million Gross $37,295,445(Successful Quick Flip)

Meteor Man 1993 Budget Unknown Gross revenue $8,023,147(Very Un-Successful)
Cadillac Records 2008 Budget $12 million Gross revenue $8,880,045(Un-Successful)
Dreamgirls 2006 Budget $80 million Gross revenue $154,852,975(Very Successful)
Higher Learning 1995 Gross revenue $58 million(Successful)
Are We there Yet? 2005 Budget $32 million Gross $97,918,663(Successful)
Big Momma's House 2000 Budget $30 million Gross $173,959,438(Very Successful)
Rosewood 1997 Budget $31,000,000 Gross 37,000,000(Un-Successful)
Menace to Society 1993 Budget $3.5 million Gross $27.9 million(Successful Quick Flip)
Banboozled 2000 Budget $10,000,000 Gross revenue $2,463,650(Un-Successful)
Baby Boy 2001 Budget $16 million Gross revenue $29,381,649(Un-Successful)
Dead presidents 1995 Budget $15 million Gross $24,147,179 (Un-Successful)

ALL THE ABOVE MOVIES YOU PICKED ONLY A FEW WERE SUCCESSFUL. REMEMBER ITS ABOUT DOLLARS, AND CENTS WITH HOLLYWOOD.

 

[Silencer]

The Wood 1999 Budget $6 million Gross revenue $25,059,640(Not Successful)

The Brothers 2001 Budget $6,000,000 Gross revenue $27,958,191(Did Ok For A Quick Flip)

The Best Man 1999 Budget $9,000,000 Gross revenue $34,102,780(Not Successful)


Juice 1992 Budget 6,000,000 Gross revenue $20,146,880(Not Successful)

Of those up there, how are you saying The Brothers was succesful but not the others?

 

[45mm]

Of those up there, how are you saying The Brothers was succesful but not the others?

i fixed it made a mistake i was typing to fast.

 

[geechiedan]

SO BASICALLY YOU KNOW MORE THAN TYLER PERRY, MARIO VAN PEEBLES, SPIKE LEE DENZEL WASHINGTON,THE HUGHES BROTHERS, ECT...

EVERYBODY ON THAT LIST HAVE SPOKEN FRANK ABOUT THE TYLER PERRY, SPIKE LEE SITUATION.

ALSO:

Malcolm X 1992 Budget $33,000,000 Gross revenue $48,169,910 (Not Successful It Only Made 15 Million)

Boyz in the Hood 1991 Budget $6.5 million Gross $57,504,069(Very Successful)
The Wood 1999 Budget $6 million Gross revenue $25,059,640(Not Worth It Again)

The Brothers 2001 Budget $6,000,000 Gross revenue $27,958,191(Did Ok For A Quick Flip)

The Best Man 1999 Budget $9,000,000 Gross revenue $34,102,780(Ok Quick Flip)

Waiting to Exhale 1995 Budget $15,000,000 Gross $81,452,156(Very Successful)

Love Jones 1997 Budget $10,000,000 Gross Revenue $12,316,000(Not Successful)

Poetic Justice 1993 Budget $14,000,000 Gross revenue $27,515,786(Not Successful)

Juice 1992 Budget 6,000,000 Gross revenue $20,146,880(Ok Flip Not Worth ANother)

New Jack City 1991 Budget $8 million Gross revenue $47,624,353(Successful Quick Flip)
Do the Right Thing 1989 Budget $6.5 million Gross $37,295,445(Successful Quick Flip)

Meteor Man 1993 Budget Unknown Gross revenue $8,023,147(Very Un-Successful)
Cadillac Records 2008 Budget $12 million Gross revenue $8,880,045(Un-Successful)
Dreamgirls 2006 Budget $80 million Gross revenue $154,852,975(Very Successful)
Higher Learning 1995 Gross revenue $58 million(Successful)
Are We there Yet? 2005 Budget $32 million Gross $97,918,663(Successful)
Big Momma's House 2000 Budget $30 million Gross $173,959,438(Very Successful)
Rosewood 1997 Budget $31,000,000 Gross 37,000,000(Un-Successful)
Menace to Society 1993 Budget $3.5 million Gross $27.9 million(Successful Quick Flip)
Banboozled 2000 Budget $10,000,000 Gross revenue $2,463,650(Un-Successful)
Baby Boy 2001 Budget $16 million Gross revenue $29,381,649(Un-Successful)
Dead presidents 1995 Budget $15 million Gross $24,147,179 (Un-Successful)

ALL THE ABOVE MOVIES YOU PICKED ONLY A FEW WERE SUCCESSFUL. REMEMBER ITS ABOUT DOLLARS, AND CENTS WITH HOLLYWOOD.

your criteria doesn't make an sense..all of those movies made a profit and would be considered successful. in fact most of them made a profit in the same ratio that a typical TP film has done yet you characterize it as a "quick flip" or not very suuccessful

you say Do the right thing cost 6 million but made 37 million and call it a quick flip..thats pretty much what a tyler perry film does on average...

so where's the beef????

 

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your criteria doesn't make an sense..all of those movies made a profit and would be considered successful. in fact most of them made a profit in the same ratio that a typical TP film has done yet you characterize it as a "quick flip" or not very suuccessful

you say Do the right thing cost 6 million but made 37 million and call it a quick flip..thats pretty much what a tyler perry film does on average...

so where's the beef????

WHY ARE YOU SITTING HERE ARGUING WITH ME, WHEN FOLLOWUP IS THE ONE POSTED THAT LIST??? I JUST GAVE HER THE BUDGETS AND GROSS REVENUE FOR THOSE FILMS.

AND THEN YOU GO PUSH "DO THE RIGHT THING" OFF ON ME LIKE I HAVE PICKED A SIDE. I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT TYLER PERRY, OR SPIKE LEE.

IN MY BOOK A SPADE IS A SPADE.

I SPOKE ON WHAT MARIO VAN PEEBLES WAS SAYING IN THE VIDEO. NOT ONCE DID I SPEAK ON SPIKE LEE.


IF YOUR GONNA DEFEND TYLER PERRY IM COOL WITH THAT. IF YOUR GONNA DEFEND SPIKE LEE DO THAT. IM NOT DEFENDING NEITHER DIRECTOR.

 

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your criteria doesn't make an sense..all of those movies made a profit and would be considered successful.

Cadillac Records and Bamboozled didn't make their budgets back so that is the very definition of not making a profit. Several of the others barely made more than they cost and typically hollywood feels a movie needs to make at least twice it's budget to be considered succesful. Technically they did make profit, though.

in fact most of them made a profit in the same ratio that a typical TP film has done yet you characterize it as a "quick flip" or not very suuccessful

Agreed on this part.