48÷2(9+3) = ????

[Rawness]

If theres +50 pages about this on hundreds of websites wouldnt you think that confirms this as being ambiguous.
Theres no "law" people have to follow when working these types of problems, only conventions that they learn from a textbook or teacher. If the main sources of learning states two different things, how does one truly interpret a 48÷2(9+3) problem without their being an argument or conflict.

No, that just confirms that it is confusing. Not ambiguous.

There is still just one, and only one correct answer.

Its like tie breakers in sports playoff seeding. Confusing scenarios can arise, but not ambiguous ones....only one of those teams makes it.

 

[Gods_Debris]

well if it's a case of ambiguity that MUST be definitely dictated then I say we put it to a vote and let the majority rule... oh hey wait a minute!!!!

 

[tre2k4]

No, that just confirms that it is confusing. Not ambiguous.

There is still just one, and only one correct answer.

Its like tie breakers in sports playoff seeding. Confusing scenarios can arise, but not ambiguous ones....only one of those teams makes it.

Whats your definition of ambiguous. Even the experts claim that these types of problems can be ambiguous.

 

[LordSinister]

The distributive property of multiplication CLEARLY states that the 2(9+3) is an entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive property which can be rewritten as (2*9+2*3). Let me repeat the 2 outside of the parenthesis follows the distributive property of multiplication and must be factored and simplified before performing any other operations on it. You do NOT compute this expression from left to right until you use Algebra to simplify the statement 2(9+3). statement 2(9+3) So this can be rewritten as 48 / (2*9 + 2*3) Which leaves us with 48 / 24 = 2 Answer = 2 Lastly for those using Google or any other online calculator. These do not understand many theorems or properties so you must explicitly explain what you mean. There is a difference between 48 / 2 * (9+3) and 48 / 2(9+3). The first notation reads 48 / 2 * 1(9+3) while the second reads 48 / (2*9+2*3). Be very notation reads 48 / 2 * 1(9+3) while the second reads 48 / (2*9+2*3). Be very careful with your signs

This is how I learned it.

From yahoo

LS

 

[mallorquin]

you're taking this real personal, huh? can somebody get this fat ass little nigga some pussy that he won't have to pay for? we need to get his self-esteem up to the normal depressed and suicidal thoughts levels of your typical no pussy gettin lard ass. i think he might go postal w/o intervention

Far from any of that you mentioned above. Never had a weight issue in my life.
Always been in shape. Somebody done told you wrong. Black belt in Judo for 8 years now, which means I will put you on your ass in 2.4 seconds.

But that's all silly billy, you don't know what I look like, I don't give a damn what you look like.

About pussy, my chick is bad, and I already have summer ass lined up when I touch down in Cali.

I really doubt you are on my level in any aspect of life.

Case in point, you mentioning shit about me that you don't even know. Like I said, I will never see you, you will never see me. So lets just focus on how dumb you are again.

 

[Gods_Debris]

The distributive property of multiplication CLEARLY states that the 2(9+3) is an entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive property which can be rewritten as (2*9+2*3). Let me repeat the 2 outside of the parenthesis follows the distributive property of multiplication and must be factored and simplified before performing any other operations on it. You do NOT compute this expression from left to right until you use Algebra to simplify the statement 2(9+3). statement 2(9+3) So this can be rewritten as 48 / (2*9 + 2*3) Which leaves us with 48 / 24 = 2 Answer = 2 Lastly for those using Google or any other online calculator. These do not understand many theorems or properties so you must explicitly explain what you mean. There is a difference between 48 / 2 * (9+3) and 48 / 2(9+3). The first notation reads 48 / 2 * 1(9+3) while the second reads 48 / (2*9+2*3). Be very notation reads 48 / 2 * 1(9+3) while the second reads 48 / (2*9+2*3). Be very careful with your signs

This is how I learned it.

From yahoo

LS

DAMN! THANK YOU! Is that NOT what I have been doing in my examples the entire time? niggas are some jerks man.


you PROVE some shit mathematically and these niggas STILL want to act like you're making it up when it's solved step by step in front of them. i explain they are shortcutting the problem by adding before they multiply SIMPLY because the variables have been defined as 9 and 3 and they act like i'm making that up too! (9+3) isn't a binomial? since when? P.E.M.D.A.S.

 

[AwwSchitt]

My Dear Aunt Sally is rolling over in her grave right about now.

 

[Gods_Debris]

let me ask you stupid ass niggas this? you think that teacher was trying to get his 6th grad class to divide 48 by 24 and get 2 or if wanted his 12 year old class to compute 48 x 12 and get 288?


some of you niggas cannot rationalize for shit

 

[tre2k4]

The distributive property of multiplication CLEARLY states that the 2(9+3) is an entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive property which can be rewritten as (2*9+2*3). Let me repeat the 2 outside of the parenthesis follows the distributive property of multiplication and must be factored and simplified before performing any other operations on it. You do NOT compute this expression from left to right until you use Algebra to simplify the statement 2(9+3). statement 2(9+3) So this can be rewritten as 48 / (2*9 + 2*3) Which leaves us with 48 / 24 = 2 Answer = 2 Lastly for those using Google or any other online calculator. These do not understand many theorems or properties so you must explicitly explain what you mean. There is a difference between 48 / 2 * (9+3) and 48 / 2(9+3). The first notation reads 48 / 2 * 1(9+3) while the second reads 48 / (2*9+2*3). Be very notation reads 48 / 2 * 1(9+3) while the second reads 48 / (2*9+2*3). Be very careful with your signs

This is how I learned it.

From yahoo

LS

Some people are taught differently.

You should be able to use PEMDAS as well


Typically, theres never a division sign in front of a implied multiplication problem

 

[LordSinister]

Also for the 288'ers

48÷a(9+3)=288
48÷a(9+3)=2

Please solve then come back here.

 

[Gods_Debris]

i don't even know these ho niggas wiZe and mallorquin. never even exchanged words before as far as i can remember but these idiots came in here acting brand new.and with and axe to grind. 2 dummies sharing a a fork and one extra moist duncan hines strawberry cake.



you PROVE some shit mathematically and these niggas STILL want to act like you're making it up when it's solved step by step in front of them. i explain they are shortcutting the problem by adding before they multiply SIMPLY because the variables have been defined as 9 and 3 they combine them and then they act like i'm making that up too! (9+3) isn't a binomial? since when? P.E.M.D.A.S.

 

[Gods_Debris]

Also for the 288'ers

48÷a(9+3)=288
48÷a(9+3)=2

Please solve then come back here.

LMAO! dude i made a thread dedicated to solving JUST this type of problem scenario back when i first saw this thread about 35 pages ago. enjoy the havok that she wrought

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=579466

 

[tre2k4]

The distributive property of multiplication CLEARLY states that the 2(9+3) is an entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive property which can be rewritten as (2*9+2*3). Let me repeat the 2 outside of the parenthesis follows the distributive property of multiplication and must be factored and simplified before performing any other operations on it. You do NOT compute this expression from left to right until you use Algebra to simplify the statement 2(9+3). statement 2(9+3) So this can be rewritten as 48 / (2*9 + 2*3) Which leaves us with 48 / 24 = 2 Answer = 2 Lastly for those using Google or any other online calculator. These do not understand many theorems or properties so you must explicitly explain what you mean. There is a difference between 48 / 2 * (9+3) and 48 / 2(9+3). The first notation reads 48 / 2 * 1(9+3) while the second reads 48 / (2*9+2*3). Be very notation reads 48 / 2 * 1(9+3) while the second reads 48 / (2*9+2*3). Be very careful with your signs

This is how I learned it.

From yahoo

LS

From my recent research, everything is telling me you should do whats in the () first. Only apply distributive property when the terms inside are not alike. Let me know if you see something stating otherwise


You should be able to use PEMDAS with problem first.

Typically, theres never a division sign in front of a implied multiplication problem


Distributive Property

The distributive property is actually a very simply concept to learn and apply. It will allow you to simplify something like 3(6x + 4), where you have a number being multiplied by a set of parenthesis. Let's start with a simple problem:

6(4 + 2)

Based on the order of operations, you know that anything inside parenthesis should be done first. Adding 4 + 2 is simple enough, resulting in this:

6(6)

When you see a number next to parenthesis like this, it means multiplication, so what we really have here is this (remember that * means multiplication):

6 * 6 = 36

That was easy enough, but what about a more difficult problem? Let's suppose that the 4 was really 4x, meaning 4 times the variable x. The distributive property allows you to simplify an expression like this, where you cannot just do the parenthesis and multiply.

6(4x + 2)

http://www.freemathhelp.com/distributive-property.html

 

[WorldEX]

Answer is 2.
It's better notation to say

 

[LordSinister]

At this point im just enjoying the discussion. Google gave me 288 and my calculator and mathway gave me 2.

 

[cbm_redux]

What's especially embarrassing about this is that if you look up threads about this problem on predominantly white boards, most of the respondents arrived at the correct answer, 288.

Niggas.

 

[LordSinister]

What's especially embarrassing about this is that if you look up threads about this problem on predominantly white boards, most of the respondents arrived at the correct answer, 288.

Niggas.

Um, no I've seen it split 50/50 most sites

Plus when you change 2 to x in the 288 answer, it ends up being 1/72 or something, where x remains 2 when you solve for 2.

 

[wiZe]

And I'm amongst them. "Order of operations" was adopted centuries ago to rid arithmetic problems like these of ambiguity.

The CONFUSION here lies in people not understand that principle.

Professionally and technically I agree with you. However, until the U.S. School systems change across the board, we should have understanding. This is y I said all quant professionals (software developers included) should make sure their answer or their software's answer is 288. For everyone else, it doesn't matter as much.

 

[blownaway]

The distributive property of multiplication CLEARLY states that the 2(9+3) is an entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive entire statement and CANNOT be broken up. 2(9+3) follows the distributive property which can be rewritten as (2*9+2*3). Let me repeat the 2 outside of the parenthesis follows the distributive property of multiplication and must be factored and simplified before performing any other operations on it. You do NOT compute this expression from left to right until you use Algebra to simplify the statement 2(9+3). statement 2(9+3) So this can be rewritten as 48 / (2*9 + 2*3) Which leaves us with 48 / 24 = 2 Answer = 2 Lastly for those using Google or any other online calculator. These do not understand many theorems or properties so you must explicitly explain what you mean. There is a difference between 48 / 2 * (9+3) and 48 / 2(9+3). The first notation reads 48 / 2 * 1(9+3) while the second reads 48 / (2*9+2*3). Be very notation reads 48 / 2 * 1(9+3) while the second reads 48 / (2*9+2*3). Be very careful with your signs

This is how I learned it.

From yahoo

LS

THANK FUCKING YOU

HOW THE FUCK THIS THREAD GOT TO 53 PAGES

 

[melonpecan]

Can I get his thread in some sort of file I can shop around to some math departments? Your help would me much appreciated.





Oh yeah

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[mallorquin]

Doesn't get much clearer than this...



Oh and by the way. You setting up the problem like this, thinking light bulbs would go off, is further evidence of your ignorance.

How did I miss this?

 

[melonpecan]

^^^
It does because your math is wrong.

 

[Spectrum]

It came from a mom posting it on the net. It's from her son's 6th grade homework. If this is true, I wonder why she doesn't reveal the answer.

Word?

Damn you are not lying about this shit taking over the internet. You will literally see this shit everywhere.

Yo...this is a new internet meme man... shit is everywhere

 

[Rawness]

Whats your definition of ambiguous. Even the experts claim that these types of problems can be ambiguous.

Ambiguous, as far as I'm concerned means having multiple legitimate meanings...or in this case answers.

I readily concede and agree that this problem is unclear and lends itself to misinterpretations, but there is still but one answer.

Also for the 288'ers

48÷a(9+3)=288
48÷a(9+3)=2

Please solve then come back here.

Why do y'all keep asking problems that don't address the point of contention????

All anyone who correctly sees the answer as 288 is going to is set the problem up as

48
_ * (9+3) = 288
a

48
_ * (9+3) = 2
a

and then solve for a for each equation, while a person who thinks it's 2, will set it up, erroneously, as

48
______ = 288
a*(9+3)

48
______ = 2
a*(9+3)

If you set up the problem wrong of course you're going to get the wrong answer. These pointless exercises shed no light on the dispute.

 

[Rawness]

Professionally and technically I agree with you. However, until the U.S. School systems change across the board, we should have understanding. This is y I said all quant professionals (software developers included) should make sure their answer or their software's answer is 288. For everyone else, it doesn't matter as much.

Fair enough. But it only doesn't matter if they never become software developers/engineers themselves.

Actually, in 2011, who's writing single line equations anyway?

 

[Rawness]

Now that I'm on a computer and not my phone, let's see if God_Debris will answer the question

I could prove it, but first, do you admit that

ab=a*b

Where a and b are scalars?

certainly... ok i'm following go on


lmao, i answered yes and then had to go look up scalars because i started thinking about vectors and coordinates and hadn't used the term in so long i didn't realize it meant real numbers. i was in a panic after i hit submit for about 30 seconds. thought i had walked into a trap

Actually, since you admit this truth, answer this:

a/bc =

1) a/(bc)

Or

2) (a/b) * c

????

(being at home, I won't be devoting much time to this, cuz now I'm no longer being paid to be in here )

 

[mallorquin]

Now that I'm on a computer and not my phone, let's see if God_Debris will answer the question



(being at home, I won't be devoting much time to this, cuz now I'm no longer being paid to be in here )

He won't address it. Too good doing that hammer dance. He is real good at that shit.

 

[Gods_Debris]

Ambiguous, as far as I'm concerned means having multiple legitimate meanings...or in this case answers.

I readily concede and agree that this problem is unclear and lends itself to misinterpretations, but there is still but one answer.



Why do y'all keep asking problems that don't address the point of contention????

All anyone who correctly sees the answer as 288 is going to is set the problem up as

48
_ * (9+3) = 288
a

48
_ * (9+3) = 2
a

and then solve for a for each equation, while a person who thinks it's 2, will set it up, erroneously, as

48
______ = 288
a*(9+3)

48
______ = 2
a*(9+3)

If you set up the problem wrong of course you're going to get the wrong answer. These pointless exercises shed no light on the dispute.

basically. i realize this would be a perpetual loop when ALEXW solved the shit that way in my thread

 

[Gods_Debris]

Now that I'm on a computer and not my phone, let's see if God_Debris will answer the question



(being at home, I won't be devoting much time to this, cuz now I'm no longer being paid to be in here )

oh so you just gonna ignore the part where i showed that equation to be a false proof by subbing your variables out for numerical variable values that are less than ideal for proofing your equation? mkay. here i'll quote it for you:

bruh, you're the one that got off on a tangent with the other posters but let's see if i can still make your statement false but complex numbers can work as scalars, used to do it in physics class so poo poo on that. but as real numbers we can still achieve the same result

okay this is your equation a/bc that you say is absolutely unequivical to this equation a/(bc)


a=2

b=1

c=-1

...

example 1;

2/1*-1=
2*-1=
-2

example 2:

2/(1*-1)=
2/-1=
-2


i think stating these were absolutely unequivical would constitue a false proof then correct?

you CIA? why are you getting paid to monitor posts on here?

 

[LordSinister]

Ambiguous, as far as I'm concerned means having multiple legitimate meanings...or in this case answers.

I readily concede and agree that this problem is unclear and lends itself to misinterpretations, but there is still but one answer.



Why do y'all keep asking problems that don't address the point of contention????

All anyone who correctly sees the answer as 288 is going to is set the problem up as

48
_ * (9+3) = 288
a

48
_ * (9+3) = 2
a

and then solve for a for each equation, while a person who thinks it's 2, will set it up, erroneously, as

48
______ = 288
a*(9+3)

48
______ = 2
a*(9+3)

If you set up the problem wrong of course you're going to get the wrong answer. These pointless exercises shed no light on the dispute.

I went to two places that have the 288 answer as wrong. That is the only point I'm making. There is more than one way to express this.

 

[Rawness]

oh so you just gonna ignore the part where i showed that equation to be a false proof by subbing your variables out for numerical variable values that are less than ideal for proofing your equation? mkay. here i'll quote it for you:




you CIA? why are you getting paid to monitor posts on here?

See, now this post shows how slow you really are. First, the getting paid part was clearly in reference to me be at work while posting on here, so I was getting paid to BS on here. Now I'm at home, off the clock, no longer getting paid. Got it?


Secondly, you still haven't answered the question. You truly know very little about math if you think what you did was any kind of debunking.

As to not get off topic, just answer the question:

Actually, since you admit this truth, answer this:

a/bc =

1) a/(bc)

Or

2) (a/b) * c

????

Either it's equation 1 or it's equation 2. Which one?

 

[Rawness]

I went to two places that have the 288 answer as wrong. That is the only point I'm making. There is more than one way to express this.

Those places are wrong, there is just one way....the first way.

 

[mallorquin]

See, now this post shows how slow you really are. First, the getting paid part was clearly in reference to me be at work while posting on here, so I was getting paid to BS on here. Now I'm at home, off the clock, no longer getting paid. Got it?


Secondly, you still haven't answered the question. You truly know very little about math if you think what you did was any kind of debunking.

As to not get off topic, just answer the question:



Either it's equation 1 or it's equation 2. Which one?

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[Rawness]

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While I await his response (cuz you know he's desperately thinking of a way to get out of this), did you catch what that idiot did? He provided one instance where the two equations happen to yield the same result to show that they're equal.

Like, you gotta be REAL dumb to try to pull that shit.

That's like me saying

a*b = a/b, since it's true when a=0 and b=50

 

[mallorquin]

While I await his response (cuz you know he's desperately thinking of a way to get out of this), did you catch what that idiot did? He provided one instance where the two equations happen to yield the same result to show that they're equal.

Like, you gotta be REAL dumb to try to pull that shit.

That's like me saying

a*b = a/b, since it's true when a=0 and b=50

Yep, or setting to equations to zero, and trying to solve for two unknowns.