Where I'm come from Elite means a cornerstone player. A Cornerstone for a championship. Amare is playing at an elite level right now but he's not an elite player. With this team as constructed the Knicks wont win a championship.
Since when did Paul Pierce turn into Kobe Bryant?
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Where I'm come from Elite means a cornerstone player. A Cornerstone for a championship. Amare is playing at an elite level right now but he's not an elite player. With this team as constructed the Knicks wont win a championship.
OP,you may not like him,but....
He is headed to the Hall of Fame,he is an NBA championship MVP and one of the best clutch players of this generation.
If he wasn't a Celtic,I would probably be pissed off like you....
But he is,so keep hate alive
Where did I say I don't like Paul Pierce? Let me ask you this even though you are obviously biased. Was Paul a Hall of Famer prior to 08?
Look, I'm a die-hard Lakers fan, but...
When has the ass rapist ever won without a big time team a big time center ih never so stfu
Come on man. Team around him? LOL. They brought in 1 player on his level and the other player was better than he is..
Anyways... when Kobe was "alone" yes the Lakers were bums. The difference in what I mean by elite is this. When the lakers were bad people talked about what pieces were needed around Kobe to win. When the Heat were bad the same thing happened with Wade... I've never seen an article where it's sad that "Celtics" only need one piece around Pierce and he can lead them to the championship"...
Was it really even necessary to bring up Kobe to make your point that Paul hasn't earned the right (i.e. rings) to talk as much shit as he does? 
Ha!
Do you realize that, OUTSIDE of Kobe, NO ONE ELSE on that squad could get their own shot? Do you not realize that Kobe was tasked with the responsibility of getting everyone else involve - INCLUDED SHAQ - and score? Do you realize that Shaq was ALWAYS benched at the end of close games, until they changed the rules?
You people don't like Kobe, so everything he's done is 'not all that great' to begin with. You couple that with the fact that he's played so many BIG games - over a span of a decade - and it becomes very apparent why you people forget shit.
Kobe is not a all-time great in the same vein of other all-time greats. His play is erratic, and he has arguably the worse shot selection of any all-time great that ever played. However, when the dude is dialed in, I'd put him up against ANYONE. Period.
It's because he's so damn great when dialed in, that he's elevated to the status of all-time great by everyone from Michael Jordan to John Wooden.
Kobe has walked his own iconoclastic path to greatness - and unless you can appreciate it for what it is, and not downplay it because it doesn't fit within the mold - then you will think I'm crazy and making shit up.
Was it really even necessary to bring up Kobe to make your point that Paul hasn't earned the right (i.e. rings) to talk as much shit as he does?
I explained why. Kobe is the standard right now. Even though he wasn't the man for 5 rings, he was a big contributor to 5 championships...If you like Substitute Tim Duncan in there....or even Shaq.
When has Shaq ever won without a big-time scoring guard?
When has ANYONE won a championship without player or performance from other teammates, nincompoop? How many rings did Jordan win without Pippen? If you're gonna quote my shit, comprehend it first. My point was I don't agree with the OP about Pierce. Now you shut your ass the fuck up, son.
Im wit u FJP, that nigga wouldn't be shit if it wasn't for KG and Allen. He isn't an elite player. If it wasn't for the teams ressurection he wouldnt even go to the HOF. I hate that nigga for that reason, he does talk mad shit and he isnt that great. Everyone saying he great cus he makes big shots to win games, its just one fuckin shot, anyone could take it/make it. Look at Torkoglu a couple seasons ago wit Orlando, he was mad clutch that season, does that make him an elite player? Put it this way even in his prime, this past summer wit the free agency he prolly wouldn't even be top 5 on teams trying to sign him, thats how "elite" he is.
Niggas on this board are Kobe apologists. The fact remains that the NBA is a star driven league. I don't care how good you are, you need the pieces around you to get over the hump. Period. The heat have the top 2 players in the league and they won't win because they don't have all the pieces they need. PP been doing his thing, been a great player and proved it when he got the right pieces. What else do you want?
And no I don't have shit against the Celtics. It's just crazy the shit dude talks and does. Like the bowing in the Garden last night. Or like how after the Finals he said he was the best player in the world. Or how he basically dismissed the Knicks before the game. Or how after they beat the Heat and Magic, the shit talking he was doing in his tweets.... And it's not like I'm using Kobe as the litmus test but he is the standard ring bearer of this generation...I could see Kobe doing that shit,I don't think he's as great as everyone says but he damn sure has the hardware to talk that kind of shit. Paul talks elite shit, and to be honest he's never been an elite player, especially on his "own" or with decent talent around he didn't lead the Celtics to shit.
Pierce talks shit like he's been in 7 Finals like Kobe has or has 5 rings..shit dude doesn't even have 2 rings. Where was all this shit talking when you in a perennial first round battle with the damn Hornets?
He's a fake ass gang banger, no wonder he got stabbed up by a bitch nigga like Benzino... Let him talk shit, the more he talk the more the heat continue on that 10 game win streak... Them bitch ass niggas shook.
Man I'm at work so I can't truly debate this foolishness. Making up shit doesn't make it factual. The stuff you mentioned didn't happen. They never benched Shaq in his prime during crunch time. This statement alone is ridiculous.
you should know by now that the stans will post what they see in their dreams and try to pass it off as reality.Their entire MO is to prop up their hero and discredit everything positive that every star or franchise player has done in the same time period.
Just check the post you quoted along with the OP.
I refuse to get involved in an argument that is not even relevant to the original post but this above is all kinds of myth-making material. Also, please rethink your statement and consider they were running the triple-post offense. The triple post offense does not even require a distributor in the sense you are claiming.
It certainly looked like he was on his way....
But don't let the facts get in the way of your argument
2005–06 season
In the 2005-06 NBA season, Pierce had the highest points-per-shot average among the top 30 scorers in the league, indicating that he is an efficient and consistent player. On March 8, 2006, Pierce extended his franchise-record streak of 30-point games at 8. On March 7, he scored seven points in overtime to beat the Washington Wizards on a "buzzer beater" [5], and the next night the Celtics eked out a victory against Philadelphia on the strength of two late-game improbable shots by Pierce, one a three-pointer, the other an off-balance "buzzer beater" for the win. He scored at least 30 points for the 13th time in 14 games (between February 4 and March 12), the best such stretch in Celtics history. He has six career triple-doubles, the most recent on March 8, 2006.
Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
1998–99 Boston 48 47 34.0 .439 .412 .713 6.4 2.4 1.7 1.0 16.5
1999–00 Boston 73 72 35.4 .442 .343 .798 5.4 3.0 2.1 .9 19.5
2000–01 Boston 82 82 38.0 .454 .383 .745 6.4 3.1 1.7 .8 25.3
2001–02 Boston 82 82 40.3 .442 .404 .809 6.9 3.2 1.9 1.0 26.1
2002–03 Boston 79 79 39.2 .416 .302 .802 7.3 4.4 1.8 .8 25.9
2003–04 Boston 80 80 38.7 .402 .299 .819 6.5 5.1 1.6 .6 23.0
2004–05 Boston 82 82 36.1 .455 .370 .822 6.6 4.2 1.6 .5 21.6
2005–06 Boston 79 79 39.0 .471 .354 .772 6.7 4.7 1.4 .4 26.8
2006–07 Boston 47 46 37.0 .439 .389 .796 5.9 4.1 1.0 .3 25.0
2007–08 Boston 80 80 35.9 .464 .392 .843 5.1 4.5 1.3 .4 19.6
2008–09 Boston 81 81 37.5 .457 .391 .830 5.6 3.6 1.0 .3 20.5
2009–10 Boston 71 71 34.0 .472 .414 .852 4.4 3.1 1.2 .4 18.3
Career 884 881 37.3 .445 .369 .802 6.1 3.8 1.5 .6 22.5
All-Star 8 0 14.1 .500 .160 .778 2.9 2.0 1.5 .0 10.9
You still trolling you Celtic hater and certified Miami bitch nigga!!!!"
To all the faggots on here that co-sign with this bitch ass OP!!!
fuck you and kill yourselves!!!!
paul pierce can do what the fuck he wants to do anytime he wants to.
As for bitch ass haters, making threads like this, to discredit a NBA all-star future hall of Famer(first ballot bitches), fuck you!!!!
Don't hate Boston because the Celtic are on a "NBA leading 11 game win streak", and have kicked one of your teams asses in process.
If you hate Pierce and the Celtic so much beat them. but we know you can't, so you make bullshit threads like this!!!
Until then I will let KG sum up what this thread is about, and why the OP and others hate.......................................>
"KG=Yo paul!!! These shirts say it all!!! We run the East nigga!!!!"
Celtics are the "Beast of the East"!!! Get use to it !!!!
Celtics are the "Beast of the East"!!! Get use to it !!!!
It certainly looked like he was on his way....
But don't let the facts get in the way of your argument
2005–06 season
In the 2005-06 NBA season, Pierce had the highest points-per-shot average among the top 30 scorers in the league, indicating that he is an efficient and consistent player. On March 8, 2006, Pierce extended his franchise-record streak of 30-point games at 8. On March 7, he scored seven points in overtime to beat the Washington Wizards on a "buzzer beater" [5], and the next night the Celtics eked out a victory against Philadelphia on the strength of two late-game improbable shots by Pierce, one a three-pointer, the other an off-balance "buzzer beater" for the win. He scored at least 30 points for the 13th time in 14 games (between February 4 and March 12), the best such stretch in Celtics history. He has six career triple-doubles, the most recent on March 8, 2006.
Year Team GP GS MPG FG% 3P% FT% RPG APG SPG BPG PPG
1998–99 Boston 48 47 34.0 .439 .412 .713 6.4 2.4 1.7 1.0 16.5
1999–00 Boston 73 72 35.4 .442 .343 .798 5.4 3.0 2.1 .9 19.5
2000–01 Boston 82 82 38.0 .454 .383 .745 6.4 3.1 1.7 .8 25.3
2001–02 Boston 82 82 40.3 .442 .404 .809 6.9 3.2 1.9 1.0 26.1
2002–03 Boston 79 79 39.2 .416 .302 .802 7.3 4.4 1.8 .8 25.9
2003–04 Boston 80 80 38.7 .402 .299 .819 6.5 5.1 1.6 .6 23.0
2004–05 Boston 82 82 36.1 .455 .370 .822 6.6 4.2 1.6 .5 21.6
2005–06 Boston 79 79 39.0 .471 .354 .772 6.7 4.7 1.4 .4 26.8
2006–07 Boston 47 46 37.0 .439 .389 .796 5.9 4.1 1.0 .3 25.0
2007–08 Boston 80 80 35.9 .464 .392 .843 5.1 4.5 1.3 .4 19.6
2008–09 Boston 81 81 37.5 .457 .391 .830 5.6 3.6 1.0 .3 20.5
2009–10 Boston 71 71 34.0 .472 .414 .852 4.4 3.1 1.2 .4 18.3
Career 884 881 37.3 .445 .369 .802 6.1 3.8 1.5 .6 22.5
All-Star 8 0 14.1 .500 .160 .778 2.9 2.0 1.5 .0 10.9
Brother Blues,
I swear!! some of these NBA fuckers on here must be 10 years old.
Paul pierce averaged 26 points in 2002 and took the Celtics to the eastern conference championship against the Nets.
It would have been another celtics/lakers final if the nets did not do well in the "Eastern championship finals" against the celtics.
This was all before KG, Allen,Shaq,and Rondo ever being on the celtics.
But that's just it. I mean Pierce is that type of dude. He talks shit. Kobe might not be that type of cat that like to mouth of alot. That is the only difference between the two. Paul Pierce is def one of the best players in celtic history and has had a hall of fame career.
It is just like if T Mac were to mouth off in his prime pre injury T Mac. He's still one of the elite players even though he doesn't have the hardware to prove it. That's just what gets him goin. And if he does mouth off, it's hard to say somethin against him cause he's (was) provin it on the court.
If it came down to rings and things.......that's like Rick Fox or Steve Kerr talkin shit.....even though they have the hardware. NO ONE would really take it as serious.
But that's just it. I mean Pierce is that type of dude. He talks shit. Kobe might not be that type of cat that like to mouth of alot. That is the only difference between the two. Paul Pierce is def one of the best players in celtic history and has had a hall of fame career.
It is just like if T Mac were to mouth off in his prime pre injury T Mac. He's still one of the elite players even though he doesn't have the hardware to prove it. That's just what gets him goin. And if he does mouth off, it's hard to say somethin against him cause he's (was) provin it on the court.
If it came down to rings and things.......that's like Rick Fox or Steve Kerr talkin shit.....even though they have the hardware. NO ONE would really take it as serious.
or robert Horry!!! 7 NBA championships off the bench!!!
talk about right place at right time
I dont understand the OP's point.
First ballot HOF can talk as much shit they want.
Pierce been an elite player for years now.
First ballot HOF can talk as much shit they want.
Pierce been an elite player for years now.
Man, Paul Pierce is The Truth, for real... December 1, 2001, i watched this cat single-handedly dismantle the Nets with a 48-point performance, 46 of which were in the fuckin second half. Box Score Here
Me and my nephew were behind the Celt's bench talkin MEGA shit first half. Dis nigga looks up in the stands before halftime and just nods like... ok. After dumbin' out for 46 in the second half, and winning the game, he stood up on the scorer's table with his arms up lookin right at us, as if to say, "Pop dat shit now, bitches!", as my nephew and I slunk in our fuckin seats.
another lurker smoked out his cave
(good story)
Eewwll, Kobe was called "The Facilitator" of the Lakers offense. I had never heard that term used to refer to a basketball player until then.
The triple-post may not require a distributor in theory, but Kobe Bryant was regularly used a decoy to create space for the Lakers shooters who could not create for themselves.
Basically, the defenses were forced to pay special attention to Kobe, ultimately given guys like Fox, Fisher, and Horry enough space to pull the trigger. Shaq did a little of this too from down-low...
....but it was Kobe's JOB to get everyone involved. This is often why it kind of bothers me that people called Kobe a ball-hog when dude was CLEARLY the primary ball-handler and distributor for LA - 'cause NO ONE ELSE on that team had the ability to penetrate other than Kobe.
What many called the 'Triangle Offense", amounted to nothing more than Shaq and Kobe scoring, or kicking out to their shooters. That's ALL. It actually didn't matter that they didn't have Glen Rice the second time around, because the offense revolved around Kobe and Shaq scoring or kicking it to a wide-open teammate. Do you not remember Shaq and Kobe being referred to as "The Duo"? Those dudes WERE the Lakers offense - with Shaq being the primary scorer, and Kobe being a scorer and distributor.
I respectally disagree with almost everything in this post. I dont even wish to argue it though. People got open looks in LA because of the double teams and help defense given to Shaq and then the ball would rotate back out along the perimeter to guys like Fisher, Harper, Horry, Fox, etc. It was a traditional triple post offense when it was running correctly.
Kobe was a scorer. He was not the facilator or distributor. He was a scorer in no way different than A.I. was a scorer. This is not a knock on Kobe...that is just the truth of the matter.
You are revising history man.
But this is my last response to this in this thread.
I respectally disagree with almost everything in this post. I dont even wish to argue it though. People got open looks in LA because of the double teams and help defense given to Shaq and then the ball would rotate back out along the perimeter to guys like Fisher, Harper, Horry, Fox, etc. It was a traditional triple post offense when it was running correctly.
Kobe was a scorer. He was not the facilator or distributor. He was a scorer in no way different than A.I. was a scorer. This is not a knock on Kobe...that is just the truth of the matter.
You are revising history man.
But this is my last response to this in this thread.
Eewwll, saying Kobe was not the facilitator was like saying Kobe didn't wear no. 8. I heard that term being used for Kobe over and over, to the point that when I hear someone being called a 'facilitator' today, I immediately think back to the Shaq & Kobe years. This is precisely what he was described as.
Hell, I typed in "Kobe facilitator" into google, and saw this on a messageboard:
"Kobe's role was the facilitator at the time but still had to bail out Shaq and the Lakers with his late game heroics from time to time. Shaq's role was to dominant the paint , rebounding and blocking shots."
I know this isn't the law, but it's clearly proof that I'm not the only individual who remember Kobe playing the role of facilitator with the Lakers. It is literally the first time I heard the term used to describe a role of a basketball player.
That is true but guess what your smelltrics ain't do to well in the Finals against the Lakers either
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