I got to give it to Jay though, that nigga even tried to say this shit with Nas sitting right next to him at 4:13..but Nas brought him back to Reality at 4:15
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Jay-Z Tells Juan Epstein His Takeover Diss Was 100 Times Better Than Ether.
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I got to give it to Jay though, that nigga even tried to say this shit with Nas sitting right next to him at 4:13..but Nas brought him back to Reality at 4:15
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Jay's a smart dude. Either he's about to market his 24/7 Tae Bo Fitness Centers across the country or he's anticipating the stress and depression that Ether day brings.
Nas gave Jay a gift, his own holiday. If Jay can't handle it he better call Russ for some relaxation techniques.
Nas gave Jay a gift, his own holiday. If Jay can't handle it he better call Russ for some relaxation techniques.
Takeover was a response to this ... Nas bombed on the whole Roc with this one:
"Hit the FREEWAY, shoot through MEMPHIS with MONEY BAGS (Bleek's artist) stop in Philly order a cheese steak and eat BEANS fast .... is he H to the izz O? M to the izz O? forshizzle my nizzle the rapper version of Cisco"
Mind Right - Memphis Bleek and DJ Clue (Nas diss)
Notice how Jigga calls on his troops to fight his lost battles.
Just like he did with Jaz only for Jaz to smack all of them.
BTW, Nas went on to murder him on Success and Black Republicans as well but who's counting.
never becuz the fact that Eminem would shit all over the track including Nas.
nas had so much to lose and he came through and the beat was hardcore and fit nas style of rap. Prodigy is a solid consistent rapper but his voice style makes it even better..a lyrical genius? no Jay is wrong with the NAS thing. i think he is hurt by the fact that the fans picked NAS song.
Ya blueprint 2 comeback was much better.
"Can't y'all, see that he's fake, the rap version of TD jakes
Prophesizing on your CDs and tapes
Won't break you a crumb of the little bit that he makes
And this is with whom you want to place your faith?"
"Cause the nigga wear a coofie, it don't mean that he bright
Cause you don't understand him, it don't mean that he nice
It just means you don't understand all the bullshit that he write
Is it "Oochie Wally Wally" or is it "One Mic"?
Is it "Black Girl Lost" or shorty owe you for ice?"
I kinda found it funny that Nas had Em do a beat for him but didn't have him rhyme on the track. I thought it would've been the perfect time to show Jay how it's done.
co sign, I can still remember NAS going at angie martinez(bitch was in tears
) and fakemaster flex(mr. "Pay oh la" dude was getting paid to play/promote mostly rocafella songs was shook like the little bitch he was), he had them clowns at hot97 in fear for their lives, shit was that fucking serious(uncle russell had to step in). NAS did not only go at jay z, he attacked the machine that promoted the roc, while denying other artist a fair shakei dont ever hear anybody talking about, "ooooh, that nigga got takeovered".
But a lot of people say:
"Smarter Up Nas"
when someone does something dumb
He's right.
Takeover was a harder track than Ether. Ether had a good flow, and was a good song, but when you consider the shots and the weight behind each shot was heavier for Takeover than Ether.
The Hot 97 survey that called the beef was between Ether and Superugly. In that case yeah, Nas won.
But takeover vs. ether? Nah, Jay-Z won that matchup.
As for Renegade? I prefer Jay-z verse, though Em's was better lyrically.
Takeover was a harder track than Ether. Ether had a good flow, and was a good song, but when you consider the shots and the weight behind each shot was heavier for Takeover than Ether.
The Hot 97 survey that called the beef was between Ether and Superugly. In that case yeah, Nas won.
But takeover vs. ether? Nah, Jay-Z won that matchup.
As for Renegade? I prefer Jay-z verse, though Em's was better lyrically.
it's smarten up nas...
ETHER
takeover
what u think u gettin girls now cause of your looks?
takeover
what u think u gettin girls now cause of your looks?
Exactly. If you take a moment to actually sit and rewrite both of those rappers verses, you realize Nas was sweating to write Ether. Jay's nastiest verse was the last--down to the very last rhyme.
Jay was logical and focused. Nas sounded emotional and poetical. The name calling and off-centered shit was filler. Nas definitely locked the hook! Stopped Jay from saying he can't lose
Exactly. If you take a moment to actually sit and rewrite both of those rappers verses, you realize Nas was sweating to write Ether. Jay's nastiest verse was the last--down to the very last rhyme.
Jay was logical and focused. Nas sounded emotional and poetical. The name calling and off-centered shit was filler. Nas definitely locked the hook! Stopped Jay from saying he can't lose
Ether humbled Jigga. Jay went from
. But I think he believes Nas is weak again, nothing like a good part 2 to have jay recording with some urgency again.
some of you niggas still don't get it, jay z is a fucking rapper! He's no GOD
He takes things too personal like Nas stated(that ego is a mother, he needs to let this go)
Why some of you cats sit here and compare "the takeover" beat to "ether" beat does NOT make takeover a better song, period!
Nas used "ether" (the strong burning chemical) as a metaphor for jay z(the man, who he really is/how he came to be).He DEFINED him 
"the big lip insecure, ugly kid who made it to rap super stardom and uses his status to attack women in general(like the ones who dissed/rejected him growing up"
Before jay z, there was pac, nas,snoop(too a lesser extend) and the real king of NY---->biggie(he had to die for jay to really shine/jay copied enough of that man's rhymes----->FACT!
Some of the shit Nas said in ETHER( "kiddie lyrics" to you jay z stans, came from jaz, according to bleek) which is why jay really took shit personal with his former mentor, but you cats don't get it tho, and you never will. Even jay(with all of his wealth and beyonce) can't get over it......
Ether the metaphor, plus all truths =
He takes things too personal like Nas stated(that ego is a mother, he needs to let this go)
Why some of you cats sit here and compare "the takeover" beat to "ether" beat does NOT make takeover a better song, period!
Nas used "ether" (the strong burning chemical) as a metaphor for jay z(the man, who he really is/how he came to be).
He DEFINED him "the big lip insecure, ugly kid who made it to rap super stardom and uses his status to attack women in general(like the ones who dissed/rejected him growing up" Before jay z, there was pac, nas,snoop(too a lesser extend) and the real king of NY---->biggie(he had to die for jay to really shine/jay copied enough of that man's rhymes----->FACT!
Some of the shit Nas said in ETHER( "kiddie lyrics" to you jay z stans, came from jaz, according to bleek) which is why jay really took shit personal with his former mentor, but you cats don't get it tho, and you never will. Even jay(with all of his wealth and beyonce) can't get over it......
Ether the metaphor, plus all truths =
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NAS smacked that nigga.
I can't believe the level of stanning in this thread. Jay hit hard 1) Nas don't sell(somehow leading to wack lyrics) 2) he lied about a gun. Nas responded & basically played a game of snaps on that nigga. Niggas act like they never got joked on growing up. Nas attacked his crew, his looks, his bitch, his lyrical content, & started the shit off with one of Pac's classic lines
Aint no rules in a diss song...
I can't believe the level of stanning in this thread. Jay hit hard 1) Nas don't sell(somehow leading to wack lyrics) 2) he lied about a gun. Nas responded & basically played a game of snaps on that nigga. Niggas act like they never got joked on growing up. Nas attacked his crew, his looks, his bitch, his lyrical content, & started the shit off with one of Pac's classic lines
so "fuck jay-z" is a classic pac line?
yea, the level of stanning just went nuclear
co sign, I can still remember NAS going at angie martinez(bitch was in tears
This is the only thing you really countered so i will respond to it. Yes, its a bad thing when a dude with no label support or industry crew comes at your head and takes your entire roster down along with destroying the HNIC in the process. Rocafella was arguably the hottest rap label out at the time and Nas went at they head alone.
6.That's a bad thing that The Roc had actual rappers and the Bravehearts didn't?
I don't understand why some keep saying that Takeover is based on fact. Honestly, Ether was much more truthful then Jay's track. If you go back and listen to the song you will catch a few lies. Do you really think Jay showed Nas his first Tec-9? Illmatic debuted in 1994 and the Takerover was in 2001. Isn't that 7 years? If you're going to count his cameo in Live at the BBQ in 91 then you also have to count when Jay was riding Jaz's coattails. Jaz put Jay on The Originators in 1990 which means Jay-Z has been out longer than Nas. 11 years sure seems a lot longer than the 5 he mentioned in the song.
Here's the video:
The World Is Yours had just one hot line?? (fact?) And where is the proof that Nas didn't get paid for the sample? Just because Serch was a middle man doesn't mean Nas didn't get his cut. And according to the this LINK (see item #3), Serch said Nas got paid any time he was sampled.
Here's the video:
The World Is Yours had just one hot line?? (fact?) And where is the proof that Nas didn't get paid for the sample? Just because Serch was a middle man doesn't mean Nas didn't get his cut. And according to the this LINK (see item #3), Serch said Nas got paid any time he was sampled.
u a fool
yeah ems a beast
co sign, I can still remember NAS going at angie martinez(bitch was in tears
that shit aint even an internet phrase
Jay-Z hands down is possibly one of the best that ever done it and like he said you cant win em all. But YES! my man Nas ethered his ass on that entire album. Particularly Ether and He was tellin the truth about M Murdering him on his own shit. But Jay is still one of thee best IMO. After Tupac and Face of course. I'm not sure exactly where he fits in but Tupac and Face is in the Top 3 greatest rappers of all time to me...
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I gotta roll with Takeover.
One of the hardest diss records of all, highly underated is Quik
One of the hardest diss records of all, highly underated is Quik
Yeah but he's not rhyming in that song, that's why I didn't mention it.
I gotta roll with Takeover.
One of the hardest diss records of all, highly underated is Quik
C/S 200% on that Quik joint!
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