Suicide rates for whites versus blacks...wooooow!

[bigtubb]

All that and you still address back people using the word "nigga"?


Really?

And concerning your argument:

"Nationwide, their are waaaaay more white people in the US than black. Per Capita, the numbers seem to even out"


"Nigga I didnt say the numbers where the same or even close. But seriously, if their were more black people in the United States those numbers will rise. "

I pray you teach in a white institution or are white yourself........

yep, I’m not a Hypocrite...Educated black people use nigga to separate themselves from other African American of lower socio-economic status than themselves (I.E., I'm black and their niggas...Other Black people use the term when they get mad....F that nigga!!! I consistently stress those terms to ensure that my students understand that they have no clearly defined social identity,

I'm a black professor teaching at a HBCU. I don’t sugarcoat ish for my students. All those African dashiki wearing, Afro centrist "let’s go back to Africa but I have never been there in my life dudes," skew the truth from black students. All that love yourself bull ish. Why do you need to perpetually stress that to people who can think for themselves? I’m America’s worst nightmare an "Educated Nigga"....lol. I open their eyes to a lot of things that high school and their parents have shielded them from. However, I don’t shape their ideas. I let them think and develop their own ideas.

Btw, I have students rushing to take my courses and they fill up quick. Obviously, I'm doing something right. So yea, your prayers have not been answered homie….

 

[water]

yep, I’m not a Hypocrite...Educated black people use nigga to separate themselves from other African American of lower socio-economic status than themselves (I.E., I'm black and their niggas...Other Black people use the term when they get mad....F that nigga!!! I consistently stress those terms to ensure that my students understand that they have no clearly defined social identity,

I'm a black professor teaching at a HBCU. I don’t sugarcoat ish for my students. All those African dashiki wearing, Afro centrist "let’s go back to Africa but I have never been there in my life dudes," skew the truth from black students. All that love yourself bull ish. Why do you need to perpetually stress that to people who can think for themselves? I’m America’s worst nightmare an "Educated Nigga"....lol. I open their eyes to a lot of things that high school and their parents have shielded them from. However, I don’t shape their ideas. I let them think and develop their own ideas.

Btw, I have students rushing to take my courses and they fill up quick. Obviously, I'm doing something right. So yea, your prayers have not been answered homie….

I would have thought that you would have provided some leadership on the social identity part.

Instead you are running from your essence and taking about dashiki etc....

Your framework is to be an "educated nigga"?

There is a whole world out here and we are all interconnected whether you want to believe that or not so for you to leave your students in the balance instead of provide that social context leads me to think that you maybe too comfortable in your "educated nigga" box.

You spew that ignorant shit and then pull the professor card.

Your analysis of what was presented was very weak and then you proceeded to make an argument on a "what-if" scenario.

It doesn't work like that Bro.

Try a math course sometime........

 

[Killacut]

This is something to be happy about?

I wish our suicide rate was higher than our "kill the next muthafucka rate".

We really need to wake the fuck up.

Sometimes trying to sound smart just go wrong. WTF is that you tryna say?

 

[snark9]

WEAK-ASS CACS OFF THEMSELVES MORE. ITS JUST A FACT.

 

[Rick Ronson]

Black men kill themselves at a HIGHER rate than white women kill themselves. So get off the white vs. black thing.

This should get some responses

 

[CeeloChamp]

in the words of Paul Mooney

"what a waste of white skin"



that shit was funny as hell when that nigga said that

 

[Tha Baldavenger]

White Men
23,478


Black Men
1,621


23 times more with no discrimination............

c/s...when they get busted or go broke...they can't handle it...game over, and they check out

 

[capitalq]

I think that its more than money with them.

White culture has a tendency to value the individual more than anything else.

Everything it about I, I, I, I or me, me , me, me.

In a world such as this, a lack of family, beyond the nuclear family (which was a white creation), can lead to all sorts of mental disorders.

We are also becoming more and more like them.

Look at how brothas greet each other versus whites.

I remember before class one day, I ran into two other cats.

One was from Africa...the other was from Bermuda.

We greeted each other with that "black" hand shake that includes giving each other that little half hug.

Whites were looking like

that shit is awkward to them

Thats a sense of community that seems completely foreign to them....yet 3 brothas from completely different places can have that level of Camaraderie.

There is just something else to them than money...cant put my finger on it just yet

This whole post is gold, especially the bolded part.

The cac is a cannibal. They hate themselves, and they know that we know it. That's why they can't look us straight in the eyes in passing and do not speak to each other. Smug smirks & forced smiles.

 

[gene cisco]

Sometimes trying to sound smart just go wrong. WTF is that you tryna say?

Our random violence rate is unacceptable. If we could switch places and have the white suicide rate and they take our murder rate, we would be much better off. Don't we make up 50 percent of the murder victims but only 12 percent of the population?

90 percent of that shit is done by muthafuckas that look like us.

And we have time to clown white muthafuckas for their suicide rate?

 

[therealjondoe]

This whole post is gold, especially the bolded part.

The cac is a cannibal. They hate themselves, and they know that we know it. That's why they can't look us straight in the eyes in passing and do not speak to each other. Smug smirks & forced smiles.

 

[PJN]

I bet this is not trumpeted like the ones in favor of CACs

 

[PoppaSo]

http://www.google.com/images?client...source=og&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wi&biw=1693&bih=1064

The only black persons face that comes up under a google search for "gay suicide 2010" is a brother who is still living after being shot 9 times".

White people killing themselves and Black people killing eachother.

 

[PoppaSo]

I bet this is not trumpeted like the ones in favor of CACs

What vidoe is that in your Sig.

 

[SM0k3]

Damn we boasting on who suicide rates are higher now? Humanity is doomed......actually it's been doomed from the start

 

[throwaway2]

Perhaps its time for you to shutup now you're making yourself look dumber & dumber! Or would you like to add another 'dumber' onto that title?
This is basic 8th grade statistics... you compare rates to even out the population difference!

Black men kill themselves at a HIGHER rate than white women kill themselves. So get off the white vs. black thing.

Those are pure population numbers (they obviously have a higher population), blunt is right....
You should just be looking a percentages in that link... Blacks have lower rates in general but black men do have a higher suicide rate than white women

Take that shit out of your mouth

what's incorrect?

Tell me you did at least high school math

and this is where knowing math comes in handy....compare the RATES of suicide of white people and black people, not the actual numbers... not a good look for black people...

Blunt, followup, and myself = 3
Kaynation and other dropouts = -1

Now are you man enough to return to this thread and admit your faults or will you pretend like you never read this and continue spreading mis-education across the board?

 

[throwaway2]

... but it doesn't because of misguided clowns like kaynation who write in size 7, bold & blue font to compensate for his lack of basic knowledge and reasoning

This should get some responses

 

[Louis Koo]

it is so easy to see who never

1. took a statistics course
2. never went to college
3. forgot what they supposedly learned in a statistics course

 

[Whistler]

we make up 12-13% of the population

More like 7 or 8 to 1

Remember...their numbers are higher than they should be

Arabs in stats = white

Indians in stats = white

and everything in between.....

Blacks make up 12.4% of the population in the US, depending on were you get your info from. So, the rate at which Black males commit suicide exceeds that of the rate of white males. We should be wondering what they are trying to prove with this study, whats the angle? When "Alarming" statistics like this are published, there is always an angle.

 

[water]

Perhaps its time for you to shutup now you're making yourself look dumber & dumber! Or would you like to add another 'dumber' onto that title?
This is basic 8th grade statistics... you compare rates to even out the population difference!

Blunt, followup, and myself = 3
Kaynation and other dropouts = -1

Now are you man enough to return to this thread and admit your faults or will you pretend like you never read this and continue spreading mis-education across the board?

Blacks make up 12.4% of the population in the US, depending on were you get your info from. So, the rate at which Black males commit suicide exceeds that of the rate of white males. We should be wondering what they are trying to prove with this study, whats the angle? When "Alarming" statistics like this are published, there is always an angle.

Exactly!!!


Rate comparison doesn't tell the whole story.

e.g

If 1 out of 2 black people commit suicide, rate = 50%, raw number approx 12 million

If 1 out of 2 white people commit suicide, rate =50%, raw number approx 120 million

120 million is a lot of fucking people and the rate is the same in this example.


Rates don't tell the whole story!!!

When the population difference is so large a lot of times rates don't make sense.

e.g


Let's say there are 2 fuckups in life and 1 is black and the other is white.
Therefore 1/38=2.6% of blacks are fuckups and 1/230=0.43% whites are fuckups (in millions)

Those that makes sense by itself?

Lesson: What is the context?

 

[oolong tea]

I think that its more than money with them.

White culture has a tendency to value the individual more than anything else.

Everything it about I, I, I, I or me, me , me, me.

In a world such as this, a lack of family, beyond the nuclear family (which was a white creation), can lead to all sorts of mental disorders.

We are also becoming more and more like them.

Look at how brothas greet each other versus whites.

I remember before class one day, I ran into two other cats.

One was from Africa...the other was from Bermuda.

We greeted each other with that "black" hand shake that includes giving each other that little half hug.

Whites were looking like

that shit is awkward to them

Thats a sense of community that seems completely foreign to them....yet 3 brothas from completely different places can have that level of Camaraderie.

There is just something else to them than money...cant put my finger on it just yet

the black diaspora...what's up also means hang in there

 

[Lola]

Statistics aside, WHITE PEOPLE ARE EMOTIONALLY WEAKER THAN BLACKS, they always have been.

 

[Lola]

http://www.menstuff.org/issues/byissue/suicide.html#blackmale

New York, Mar 15 (Reuters Health) -- Divorced or separated men are more than twice as likely to commit suicide as men who remain married, a US researcher reports. But divorce and separation do not appear to affect suicide risk in women, according to Dr. Augustine J. Kposowa, of the University of California at Riverside. Kposowa examined the link between suicide and marital status using data on nearly 472,000 men and women included in the National Longitudinal Mortality study. Between 1979 and 1989, 545 of these individuals committed suicide.

'Men were nearly 4.8 times as likely to commit suicide as women,' the researcher writes in the March 15th issue of the Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. Whites were at greater risk of suicide than African Americans, and individuals with household incomes between $5,000 and $9,999 were more likely to commit suicide than others. Suicide rates were also higher in older age groups, especially those aged 65 and older, and in residents of Western states.

 

[Lola]

http://blog.cleveland.com/health/2008/03/black_mens_suicide_rate_half_o.html

Black men's suicide rate half of white men
Published: Thursday, March 27, 2008, 4:59 AM

African Americans are far less likely to kill themselves than whites.

Less than one in 10,000 black men commit suicide, about half the rate of white men.

Share Whereas white men are at highest risk in old age, black men have the highest rates in their early 20s.

Experts have difficulty explaining the difference. Some researchers suggest ties to church and social supports may be "protective factors" for blacks.

The Rev. Robert Moore Jr., pastor of Glenville Seventh-day Adventist Church in Cleveland, said suicide is taboo in the black community.

"For black folks, that's not an option for us," Moore said. He added that blacks also tend to be resilient in the wake of hard times.

"We always think things are going to get better. We're always looking for a brighter day and we think it's right around the corner, if we just keep pressing on."

 

[Lola]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448358/

WHAT CAN SUICIDE RESEARCHERS LEARN FROM AFRICAN AMERICANS?
Richard Thompson, PhD

The author is with the Research and Training Institute, Juvenile Protective Association, Chicago, Ill, and the Institute for Juvenile Research, Department of Psychiatry, University of Illinois, Chicago.

Knox and colleagues recently issued a timely call for public health researchers to take a more complex approach to understanding and preventing suicide. As they note, there has been a dearth of intervention and prevention research, and many important methodological limitations.

An important point made by Knox et al. is that “there is substantial worldwide variation in population patterns of suicide, violence, and depression. . . . A comprehensive understanding of this variability . . . could be critical for developing prevention programs.” They give as examples of such variations the elevated rates of suicide among Chinese women, members of native and aboriginal communities, and residents of the former Soviet Union, and lower than expected rates among African Americans. In particular, the low rates of suicide among African Americans raises important questions about suicide prevention efforts, especially when these low rates are more closely examined.As the authors note, one possible explanation for the lower rate of suicide among African Americans is that the effects are being “masked” by elevated homicide rates. This is certainly possible, but it cannot explain the whole difference in suicide rates between African Americans and White Americans. African Americans differ from Whites not only in the overall rate but in the age distribution of suicide rates. Specifically, for White American men, suicide risk is higher in old age than in adolescence and young adulthood, whereas the reverse is true for African American men.

As well, the gap in suicide rates between African American and White men aged 15 to 24 years has shrunk dramatically in recent years, primarily as a result of an increase in the suicide rates for young African American men.3,4If, as Knox et al. conclude, reducing marginalization and lowering barriers to seeking mental health help is the key to reducing suicide, how does this map onto the age distribution and population change rates of suicide in African Americans? Why are elderly African American men uniquely protected from suicide? Are they less marginalized than elderly White men or young African American men, or are they more likely to seek mental health care? The authors are correct in calling for more sophistication in understanding suicidality.

 

[Lola]

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/582403

Suicide Rises in Middle-Aged White Americans
Marlene Busko

Authors and Disclosures

October 22, 2008 — Although teens and elderly white males are known to be at high risk for suicide attempt and suicide, respectively, middle-aged white Americans, especially women, have emerged as a new high-risk group for suicide, new research shows.

Investigators at Johns Hopkins University, in Baltimore, Maryland, analyzed mortality data to spot changes in suicide rates in population subgroups and identified a sustained increase in midlife suicide during the period from 1999 to 2005.

"More attention is paid to younger people, because of their high suicide-attempt rates and the potential years of life lost, and elderly white men have the highest rates of completed suicide, but this emerging sustained increase among middle-aged women [and to a lesser extent, middle-aged men] is troubling," study author Holly C. Wilcox, PhD, told Medscape Psychiatry

 

[Lola]

I can keep this going forever, but I believe the point has been made. Again, it really doesn't matter about the statistics, they can't take stress like a black person. That has been proven time and time again. None of us need a statistics class to prove that point.

 

[donwuan]

In the African American community it's a sin to put yourself out of your own misery. It's the Lord's plan to make you suffer.

Well since you don't believe in the lord what's stopping you from killing yourself and ending that miserable existence you call your life.

 

[Lola]

Originally Posted by JD Walker
In the African American community it's a sin to put yourself out of your own misery. It's the Lord's plan to make you suffer.

Well since you don't believe in the lord what's stopping you from killing yourself and ending that miserable existence you call your life.

Shots fired!

 

[Lexx Diamond]

So what, I will start caring more when black people stop killing each other....

^^^

 

[UnoBetter2]

I've always said that white people are the weaker race.Bet they wont report this on the evening news! Weak CAC's!!


DAYAM!! I JUST WENT AND READ THE LINK!! WHITE FOLKS IS OFFIN THEMSELVES, PITIFUL!

 

[followup]

I can keep this going forever, but I believe the point has been made. Again, it really doesn't matter about the statistics, they can't take stress like a black person. That has been proven time and time again. None of us need a statistics class to prove that point.

serious question for you: why can't you feel good about being a black American without feeling the need to TRY to shit on other people?

Your thread about the mixed girls that you work with, this thread, etc., all look like you are trying to validate your existence by picking at others. And yes, you DO need a statistics class. The sheer number of white people committing suicide will be higher than black people because they outnumber us in this country. The rate is more important because it is the percentage of people committing suicide by 'race'. White people's rate should be 8 times black peoples'. But it is only about double. That is bad news for black folks.

If you wanted to prove that black people are stronger or more resilient than others, why not point to our successes despite slavery, Jim Crow, etc.? Why pick a suicide rate? Is this really something to be proud of? What does it really prove?

 

[ron_mexico]

Whites kill themselves at higher rates because they are expected to suceed and put their mark on the world. If they fall short of this many question their purpose, and meaning in life and off themselves.

Blacks are expected to struggle and have shitted lives overall. Anyone who moves beyond that somehow overcame the odds. That is basically black peoples mantra in life.... Overcome..period.

 

[Lola]

serious question for you: why can't you feel good about being a black American without feeling the need to TRY to shit on other people?

Your thread about the mixed girls that you work with, this thread, etc., all look like you are trying to validate your existence by picking at others. And yes, you DO need a statistics class. The sheer number of white people committing suicide will be higher than black people because they outnumber us in this country. The rate is more important because it is the percentage of people committing suicide by 'race'. White people's rate should be 8 times black peoples'. But it is about double. That is bad news for black folks.

If you wanted to prove that black people are stronger or more resilient than others, why not point to our successes despite slavery, Jim Crow, etc.? Why pick a suicide rate? Is this really something to be proud of? What does it really prove?

First off, this is messageboard where people make posts with their random thoughts.

I didn't know I would need to prepare a fully researched thesis to make a post on a porn messageboard.

Miss me with this bullshit, seriously.

Black people historically are emotionally stronger, fuck the statistics AND if you read some of the articles I posted, mental health professionals want to understand why Black people are less likely to commit suicide than white people.

 

[Rick Ronson]

Exactly!!!

Rate comparison doesn't tell the whole story.
e.g
If 1 out of 2 black people commit suicide, rate = 50%, raw number approx 12 million
If 1 out of 2 white people commit suicide, rate =50%, raw number approx 120 million
120 million is a lot of fucking people and the rate is the same in this example.

Rates don't tell the whole story!!!

When the population difference is so large a lot of times rates don't make sense.

e.g

Let's say there are 2 fuckups in life and 1 is black and the other is white.
Therefore 1/38=2.6% of blacks are fuckups and 1/230=0.43% whites are fuckups (in millions)

Those that makes sense by itself?

Lesson: What is the context?

quantitative reasoning

im in that class right now

shit is crazy when you look at how its done

 

[followup]

First off, this is messageboard where people make posts with their random thoughts.

I didn't know I would need to prepare a fully researched thesis to make a post on a porn messageboard.

Miss me with this bullshit, seriously.

Black people historically are emotionally stronger, fuck the statistics AND if you read some of the articles I posted, mental health professionals want to understand why Black people are less likely to commit suicide than white people.

Ok, you don't need to research, but you could at least THINK before you post sometimes. I read your articles that you posted AFTER your initial link that you started the thread with. They are contradictory. I agree with you that black people IN GENERAL are emotionally strong but for very different reasons than what you are trying to pass off in this thread. That has nothing to do with it, nor does suicide rate support any one group being more resilient than another. There are other ways that emotionally weak people manifest their weakness, even more so than suicide (joblessness, homelessness, crime, abandonment, etc.). Oh well.