can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5 & 6

[Les W]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

I could have said this.

Dear Les W,

I'm always impressed with the way like you resort to ad hominems when they can't support their arguments.


"lack of knowledge about the topic at hand is a dangerous thing"


My initial response was just a friendly way to point out the IRONY of your response. I actually could give two shits about what you think about ME. I would much rather you stick to the topic. I think I will trust the physical laws of science or your "we really dont know anything about the universe rant[/B]". Give me an argument better than my own and I will adopt yours.

Let's be real ...that's a lie

Please point out where I said this in the thread ... I'll wait

Answer this for me please: if someone speak lies and half truths and you call that person a liar is that an "ad hominem" attack to you??

 

[tical]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Hmmm .... Really sean69???? REALLY? If they NEVER EVER have all the answers then why do you start almost every reply with:

Wrong or No

Yall just as delusional as the religious nuts imo ... BUT corner yall about the lack of credibility and yall start doing the Stevie Wonder lol

Please explain, i read Sean69 statement...I don't see what the disagreement is.

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Please point out where I said this in the thread ... I'll wait

Fact is we know little to NOTHING about space, the speed of light, efficient energy

Go drink some hot milk and take a nap Les.

 

[Les W]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Please explain, i read Sean69 statement...I don't see what the disagreement is.

what are you talking about? what disagreement? what statement?

Like I tell my chicks....I am not a mind reader

 

[tical]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

see. the popular argument that science doesn't know shit about what's possible in the future, we really don't know squat about nature etc etc ... this is not an argument. It's as wishful as the reverse, "we will soon know everything about everything nature in a "grad unified theory!" Science never has, never will and never can claim to have all the answers. It's just not built for that. But it's pretty damn good at explaining the world based on established factual laws within it's spcope. The extent of human imagination notwithstanding.

Hmmm .... Really sean69???? REALLY? If they NEVER EVER have all the answers then why do you start almost every reply with:

Wrong or No

Yall just as delusional as the religious nuts imo ... BUT corner yall about the lack of credibility and yall start doing the Stevie Wonder lol

He said the above and you erupted with the post below

 

[Les W]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Go drink some hot milk and take a nap Les.

So to you these two statements are identical right?

Fact is we know little to NOTHING about space, the speed of light, efficient energy

and

we really dont know anything about the universe

really? exactly the same huh? really? and you are upset I said you don't know what you are talking about?

come on chico

btw - lol I bet you sucked at this game growing up huh:

 

[Les W]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

He said the above and you erupted with the post below

I know I read both the question is did you and in reading them where do you SPECIFICALLY need further explanation?

Help me out here tical

I sense this is getting really emotional ... maybe I should give you all some time to cool off, lemme know

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

So to you these two statements are identical right?

You need to take that nap Les. You are cranky. You are probably rubbing your eyes and shit.

The two sentences are obviously not identical, but given the context of this thread and when the statemen was made, they are VERY similar statements. You are no longer playing in the sandbox with children Les. Be real. I am not even going to take you seriously in this thread anymore until you get some rest. You are simply needling now.

Revisit physical laws of science and then look at your original sloppy reply with the speed of sound reference. I hope that is not over your head and you got the reference to breaking physical laws of science vs accelaring advanced of applied science. When and if if clicks, you will understand how silly your faster than the speed of sound reference was irrelevant and actually examplifies your lack of understanding of this topic. Something traveling faster than the speed of sound does not break any physical laws of science. Something traveling faster than the speed of light would.

 

[tical]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

I know I read both the question is did you and in reading them where do you SPECIFICALLY need further explanation?

Help me out here tical

I sense this is getting really emotional ... maybe I should give you all some time to cool off, lemme know

Why would i be getting really emotional? Honestly? Sean69 made a statement and you gave this outburst

"Hmmm .... Really sean69???? REALLY? If they NEVER EVER have all the answers then why do you start almost every reply with:"

So i read and reread what he wrote and truly don't understand your strong reaction to what he said! It has nothing to do with Sean69, but with me and my science background and my understand on what science claims and doesn't claim it can do and answer. I have no problem and don't see an issue with what he said "Science never has, never will and never can claim to have all the answers." But apparently you do, for my own understanding, what wrong with the statement IYO?

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

I sense this is getting really emotional ... maybe I should give you all some time to cool off, lemme know

Wait, What?! You are the person being emotional. Look at your initial responses in here to people you disagree with... You consistently INITIATE emotional and personal replies.

You need give yourself time to cool off and come back later.

 

[tical]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Wait, What?! You are the person being emotional. Look at your initial responses in here to people you disagree with... You consistently INITIATE emotional and personal replies.

You need give yourself time to cool off and come back later.

Dawg that threw me off! Why would i be getting emotional? He disagreed with something strongly and i wanted to know why, because perhaps i really missed something.

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Dawg that threw me off! Why would i be getting emotional? He disagreed with something strongly and i wanted to know why, because perhaps i really missed something.

Yo man.... Your guess is as good as mine.

 

[Les W]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

The two sentences are obviously not identical, but given the context of this thread and when the statemen was made, they are VERY similar statements.

You tried to disqualify my argument by claiming that I 'had RANTED about us not knowing ANYTHING about the universe'...

that was false .... I called you out on it ... instead of admitting your mistake like a man you tried to put words in my mouth to prove your point


Now if I call you a liar I am attacking you right?

Wait, What?! You are the person being emotional. Look at your initial responses in here to people you disagree with... You consistently INITIATE emotional and personal replies.

You need give yourself time to cool off and come back later.

This is still "I know you are but what am I?" lol

I tell you to cool off.... so you tell me to cool off ... I call you emotional so you you say 'no I you are emotional' ...

Forreal this is turning petty quick

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

You tried to disqualify my argument by claiming that I 'had RANTED about us not knowing ANYTHING about the universe'...

Come on son. Your statement was a rant about us nothing or little about the universe. And in your argument, you were pretty much making a mockery of people who trust in the physical laws of science. You are acting like a real idiot right now. Im not calling you an idiot. You are acting like one. Maybe you are drunk right now

This is not the sandbox les. Take that nap. You are looking very silly now. Your emotional ranting has completely derailed the thread. Take the nap and come back arguing with some logic and about science.

 

[Les W]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Outburst that starts with "hmmm...really?"

That is how you say I "ERUPTED"?



That's a little bit overly dramatic isn't it? Just some sarcasm ... don't get how you can read that as an ERUPTION or an OUTBURST

Why would i be getting really emotional? Honestly? Sean69 made a statement and you gave this outburst

"Hmmm .... Really sean69???? REALLY? If they NEVER EVER have all the answers then why do you start almost every reply with:"

So i read and reread what he wrote and truly don't understand your strong reaction to what he said! It has nothing to do with Sean69, but with me and my science background and my understand on what science claims and doesn't claim it can do and answer. I have no problem and don't see an issue with what he said "Science never has, never will and never can claim to have all the answers." But apparently you do, for my own understanding, what wrong with the statement IYO?

What did my reply say? How are you not seeing where my reply addresses his quote above??

Here I'll help you... he says science doesn't have all the answers and is using the best information they have ...

However he constantly flat out tells people they are wrong and then in so many words 'this is how it REALLY is' ... do you see ANY contradiction in views there?

Dawg that threw me off! Why would i be getting emotional? He disagreed with something strongly and i wanted to know why, because perhaps i really missed something.

I didn't disagree with anything he stated I disagreed with the integrity in light of his posting history. Does this make sense to you?

I'm posting funny gifs and pictures and 'n my ass of chillin and yall all tight calling it OUTBURST and RANT and ERUPTIONS

yall need to have a coke and a smile or something forreal

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Dawg that threw me off! Why would i be getting emotional? He disagreed with something strongly and i wanted to know why, because perhaps i really missed something.

He is STILL ranting. Maybe Les is really Leslie and his cycle has started. Dont know what the fuck is wrong with this cat...maybe his dog died today.

I will be back and you and Sean69 start the interesting discussions back up about science.

 

[tical]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Outburst that starts with "hmmm...really?"

That is how you say I "ERUPTED"?



That's a little bit overly dramatic isn't it? Just some sarcasm ... don't get how you can read that as an ERUPTION or an OUTBURST



What did my reply say? How are you not seeing where my reply addresses his quote above??

Here I'll help you... he says science doesn't have all the answers and is using the best information they have ...

However he constantly flat out tells people they are wrong and then in so many words 'this is how it REALLY is' ... do you see ANY contradiction in views there?



I didn't disagree with anything he stated I disagreed with the integrity in light of his posting history. Does this make sense to you?

I'm posting funny gifs and pictures and 'n my ass of chillin and yall all tight calling it OUTBURST and RANT and ERUPTIONS

yall need to have a coke and a smile or something forreal

Thanks for the bold that's what i wanted to know!

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Les W,

I will reply to you again when you argue against my few first posts about the physical laws of science and the concept that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. Anytime you revert to your typical offtopic, irrelevant responses, Im just going to completely ignore that shit. Im serious, Im just going to reply with an image of a caparinha or something and keep it moving until or unless you specifically address an argument that Ive made or the theory of which it is based.... in this thread and other threads.

 

[Les W]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

seriously, eewwll can we talk as MEN??

You displaying some female tendencies right now

Quoting my posts and chopping and screwing them up trying to post them on the sly ... refusing to admit when you are wrong like a hood rat chick


1. I didn't "rant" about anything - I asked you a socratic question to explain why your statement about the speed of light MIGHT be wrong
2. I specifically said space the ether and "little to nothing" so you don't get confused again.
3. Then you tried to twist my words to discredit me and then edited the rest out:

Fact is we know little to NOTHING about space, the speed of light, efficient energy or how to travel through space using the ether's existing streams, currents or forces

I am obviously talking about interstellar travel because we are talking about travel at the speed of light and planes traveling at the speed of sound .... how is that the same as "We don't know ANYTHING about he UNIVERSE"??

It's is not you just didn't read and tried to cover your tracks ... this is embarrassing to watch ....

And ironically still funny

Come on son. Your statement was a rant about us nothing or little about the universe. And in your argument, you were pretty much making a mockery of people who trust in the physical laws of science. You are acting like a real idiot right now. Im not calling you an idiot. You are acting like one. Maybe you are drunk right now

This is not the sandbox les. Take that nap. You are looking very silly now. Your emotional ranting has completely derailed the thread. Take the nap and come back arguing with some logic and about science.

 

[Les W]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Thanks for the bold that's what i wanted to know!

Yo I promise you I honestly didn't really know what you meant the first time... I wanted to clarify myself since this has been a problem for some people here *cough* eewwll

Les W,

I will reply to you again when you argue against my few first posts about the physical laws of science and the concept that nothing can travel faster than the speed of light. Anytime you revert to your typical offtopic, irrelevant responses, Im just going to completely ignore that shit. Im serious, Im just going to reply with an image of a caparinha or something and keep it moving until or unless you specifically address an argument that Ive made or the theory of which it is based.... in this thread and other threads.

Read my response I never disagreed that as far as we know today nothing can travel at the speed of light ... NEVER if so please quote the WHOLE post and highlight where I said that ...

I simply put our current understanding of what is possible in a historical context .. then you threw your cape on and got all offended and super-sensitive

 

[4 Dimensional]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

why do u believe that there's some validity to string theory?? What compels ur beliefs. I'm curious.

See, I think the crux of the issue is understanding the FUNDAMENTAL (causal) relationship between time and matter. Once you understand that it make shit easier imo.

Matter is an effect. So is time. There's a general precept in science called "The Principe of Proportionate Cause" which states that :

a principle, theory, explanation, idea, whatever, that is lower in the heirachy of concepts governing nature can not overturn a higher one. Thus u can't construct a mechanism whose individual parts all obey the laws of physics yet violate the laws of physics by the sum of it's parts.

Think about this for a minute. Think about it in the context of what reductionist science does and how it works.

What this principle is saying is that you can't explain, for example, a violation of momentum conservation (physics law) can not be explained by some "unknown" biological mechanism because all biology mechanisms presuppose momentum conservation. And you can't explain it using god or some exotic sci-fi idea either.

Time isn't an existent thing. It's an effect.( so is matter). Once u start taking time as some physical existent "thing" that's where the bullshit starts.

(by the way, i'm not saying ST is wrong or right or even useless, i'm just saying it's bullshit)

I have been looking at this whole subject mathematically and not physically. This is way my beliefs may vary different from yours. Mathematics do not explains the physical (at least not all the time).

The equations are similar but the meanings are different. This is ways I'm getting stomped in thermal dynamics right now because I can't understand the physics.

It goes back to this argument: in 1D there is a point. If time exist at that point to represent the exact time of that point then it is no longer 1D because time is continuous. If there is two points that create a line between the two, then motion in a 2D environment can not exist without time (V=D/T => T=D/V). Understand where I am coming from? Why associate motion with time then? This is why I believe that all things are uniform with time. Thus time has "speed". Sorry bruh, but this is how it is making sense to me.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

why do u believe that there's some validity to string theory?? What compels ur beliefs. I'm curious.

I went to school for mathematics (Masters). I think this is way we are looking at this very differently.

Are your a physicist?

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

I went to school for mathematics (Masters). I think this is way we are looking at this very differently.

My two favorite books on string theory. Compelling theory... when I first read this two several years back string theory had me under a spell for a while

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

This is why I believe that all things are uniform with time. Thus time has "speed". Sorry bruh, but this is how it is making sense to me.

Do you mean in this in terms of the theory of relativity and that you can represent the speed of time as the basis for everything that exists? Thus we get that the speed of time is relative to the observer is dependent upon the speed of the other dimensions to that same observer. The total speed of all the dimensions will be the constant, but the distribution of that overall speed amongst the dimensions is completely frame-dependent.

 

[Count23]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Yo I promise you I honestly didn't really know what you meant the first time... I wanted to clarify myself since this has been a problem for some people here *cough* eewwll





Read my response I never disagreed that as far as we know today nothing can travel at the speed of light ... NEVER if so please quote the WHOLE post and highlight where I said that ...

I simply put our current understanding of what is possible in a historical context .. then you threw your cape on and got all offended and super-sensitive

I think I understand what you were saying; that basically let's keep the idea open that some things may be out of the scope of our imagination right now, like the idea of 20 ton steel flyin machines that can go faster than the speed of sound were out of people's imagination some hundreds of years ago. Am i right?

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

I think I understand what you were saying; that basically let's keep the idea open that some things may be out of the scope of our imagination right now, like the idea of 20 ton steel flyin machines that can go faster than the speed of sound were out of people's imagination some hundreds of years ago. Am i right?

That is what he is saying.

However, that still missed the very important point.

Traveling beyond the speed of sound does not break any physical laws of science. It is not about imagination. Physical laws of science have always allowed for this occurance. Thus it is not shattering anything. That occurrance is simply a case of exponential returns on applied science. It was merely bound to happen. There are a lot of things that are bound to happen that seem out of reach at this moment. There is an entire industry devoted to it (futurism.. Ray Kurzweil is my favorite)

Traveling beyond the speed of light would not be an even remotely similar occurance.

It completely contradicts the physical laws of science. It is not about imagination or expontential rate of development of applied science.

It would completely shatter the physical laws of science. I am not taking about the laws of physics. I mean the physical laws of science.

It is like proposing the ability to travel BACK in time. It is theoretically impossible.

 

[Count23]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

That is what he is saying.

However, that still missed the very important point.

Traveling beyond the speed of sound does not break any physical laws of science. It is not about imagination. Physical laws of science have always allowed for this occurance. Thus it is not shattering anything. That occurrance is simply a case of exponential returns on applied science. It was merely bound to happen. There are a lot of things that are bound to happen that seem out of reach at this moment. There is an entire industry devoted to it (futurism.. Ray Kurzweil is my favorite)

Traveling beyond the speed of light would not be an even remotely similar occurance.

It completely contradicts the physical laws of science. It is not about imagination or expontential rate of development of applied science.

It would completely shatter the physical laws of science. I am not taking about the laws of physics. I mean the physical laws of science.

It is like proposing the ability to travel BACK in time. It is theoretically impossible.

aite i get that. so where's the beef?

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

aite i get that. so where's the beef?

None with me.

Les W had issues with me, tical, and sean69....but really issues with himself.

 

[4 Dimensional]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Do you mean in this in terms of the theory of relativity and that you can represent the speed of time as the basis for everything that exists? Thus we get that the speed of time is relative to the observer is dependent upon the speed of the other dimensions to that same observer. The total speed of all the dimensions will be the constant, but the distribution of that overall speed amongst the dimensions is completely frame-dependent.

Explained mathematically:

Mathematically we would represent a total of something with D(x,y,z)/Dt. This would then be broken down locally dx/dt + dy/dt + dz/dt. If time is constant for all dimensions then D(x,y,z)/Dt = 0. This means for all dimensions (x,y,z) time will be 0 (constant), which we both know that t=0 means the beginning. So in order to make time relative for each dimension you would have to integrate each dimension respectively (x,y,z) to achieve position over time.

This would then make time uniform with whatever dimension or variable you choose. Meaning that time has a speed relative to is position.

So in order to achieve speeds faster than time you would have to treat time as a 3D dependent variable relative to position.

Physically not possible, mathematically probable, but who knows...

 

[tical]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Explained mathematically:

Mathematically we would represent a total of something with D(x,y,z)/Dt. This would then be broken down locally dx/dt + dy/dt + dz/dt. If time is constant for all dimensions then D(x,y,z)/Dt = 0. This means for all dimensions (x,y,z) time will be 0 (constant), which we both know that t=0 means the beginning. So in order to make time relative for each dimension you would have to integrate each dimension respectively (x,y,z) to achieve position over time.

This would then make time uniform with whatever dimension or variable you choose. Meaning that time has a speed relative to is position.

So in order to achieve speeds faster than time you would have to treat time as a 3D dependent variable relative to position.

Physically not possible, mathematically probable, but who knows...

Shiitttt let me break out the calculus and linear algebra book...selfscience bringing heat!

 

[4 Dimensional]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Shiitttt let me break out the calculus and linear algebra book...selfscience bringing heat!

Calc. III

The string theory that sean69 was getting on me about was explained in my Calculus of Variations and Control Theory Class. That's why me and him have been looking at this very differently.

yall brothers are over gettin in my ass with this physics. Math is the only way I can hold my own and try to discuss with you guys. But this discussion is butter cool though. I appreciate all the insight yall giving a brother.

 

[tical]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

yall brothers are over gettin in my ass with this physics. Math is the only way I can hold my own and try to discuss with you guys. But this discussion is butter cool though. I appreciate all the insight yall giving a brother.

Actually your in great shape all physics really is based on mathematical constructs; if your a beast in math the physics is a breeze, i was always good with the theoretical..the math had me hurting

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

So in order to achieve speeds faster than time you would have to treat time as a 3D dependent variable relative to position.

Physically not possible, mathematically probable, but who knows...

Can you expound on this just a bit? I am maybe not understanding two things....a 3D dependent variable relative to a position is no different than the part of my post that you put in bold right? I am assuming yes because you said you were representing that mathematically. If that is correct... I still I am not getting how even mathematically you are putting a velocity on time in that sense and traveling faster than it? For instance, I can understand how one can propose node to node transport in terms of contracting time ... and that is with defininng the velocity of time as the rate of change in the perception of time (the perceptionand not time itself).

So mathematically speaking...how can a particle travel faster than time?

 

[4 Dimensional]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Actually your in great shape all physics really is based on mathematical constructs; if your a beast in math the physics is a breeze, i was always good with the theoretical..the math had me hurting

true, but right now I'm in the Meteorology field and the Physics and Math involved can be so contradicting at times that it drives me insane.

 

[Spectrum]

Re: can you imagine 10 dimensions? see if you can follow...my head exploded after 5

Actually your in great shape all physics really is based on mathematical constructs; if your a beast in math the physics is a breeze, i was always good with the theoretical..the math had me hurting

Yeah man... seriously...it was the high-level math that had me like If it was possible to do it all over again, I would have conquered math for the sole reason of conquering physics.