True, but you got to factor in that marshall is getting doubled on damn near every snap. none of the receivers on denver command double teams like marshall. marshall will most likely have more yards and receptions by the end of the year.
Getting Rid Of Jay Cutler And Brandon Marshall Was Genius Of Josh McDaniels
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True, but you got to factor in that marshall is getting doubled on damn near every snap. none of the receivers on denver command double teams like marshall. marshall will most likely have more yards and receptions by the end of the year.
Broncos O-line is better than the Bears and if the Ravens start getting too wild with the pressure, McDaniels will start dailing up quick passes and screens to counter like he did against the Titans. Mike Martz is an idiot to keep calling 5-7 step drop plays when your line can't protect; Dude can't adjust for shit.
I doubt it and the reason teams don't and can't double up on Broncos receivers is because someone else will burn you. Double up on Llyod and Royal will burn you in the slot, double up on Royal and Gaffney will get you, take away Gaffney and Thomas will burn you. Broncos have so many weapons in the passing game to double up on any one receiver. You leave any one of these receivers singled up and they will get open.
Chargers still gonna win the division. Then this thread will fail. Only a matter of time.
Yea they do. Especially after 3 games this season. Come back after 16 games when teams have enough footage to go on and start actually game planning your positives and knowing your weaknesses. I mean we did this shit last year with you Bronco's fans. We told ya'll you guys would come back to reality and you did.
1. McDaniels had to get rid of Jay Cutler or as he's called in many circles "Backfoot Jay", because he's a poor decision maker; which results from lack of patience and discipline reading defenses and poor foot mechanics (throwing off the back foot constantly). Five years in the NFL and he's shown inability to improve in this area.
Sure, an argument can be made that he doesn't have the tools he had in Denver (Wide receivers, O-line, coaching, etc) but the problem is he's making the same stupid reads and throws he made when he was in Denver. This isn't all on lack of tools this is what Cutler is. Josh McDaniels wisely knew that Cutler wouldn't be the right fit for his system so out of town Cutler went. Now Cutler can enjoy getting killed in Mike Martz's system.
2. Guess who's leading the league in passing? It's not Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, or Drew Brees it's Kyle "Motherfuckin" Orton; you know the forgotten guy in the Cutler trade. I kept telling people Kyle Orton would do well in McDaniels's system but nobody was having that. I heard all the nonsense "You guys shouldn't have traded Cutler, blah, blah, blah". The way people were sucking Cutler's dick you would've thought we were trading a QB that won 4 Superbowls, but that wasn't the case. Once you start thinking with logic instead of emotion you could see the whole picture of McDaniels plan.
3. Brandon Marshall had to go because "the system" isn't about one guy. As talented as Marshall is once you start focusing your offense around one person you lose balance. Marshall made it about him when it should be about the team. What's great about "the system" is the open man is the one that gets thrown the ball. Lloyd, Royal, Gaffney, Thomas all can get open and Orton has spread the ball around. People said our passing offense wouldn't be shit after Marshall was traded; who's laughing now.
Can you post the vid your sig is from
It doesn't matter if the Chargers win the division or not; this thread isn't about that. This thread is only on the performance of ...
A. Kyle Orton outplaying Jay Cutler
B. Broncos passing game shining without Brandon Marshall
Both these things are happening so nobody should be crying about Cutler and Marshall getting shipped out of town.
Last year is last year and this year is this year.
Just click on the sig.
dude who is in ur sig?
Um. Cutler has a qb rating of 102.2 on the season
Orton is 96.3
Who's leading the league in passing? Fuck a QB rating!
So you just said fuck the other stats (completion %, TD to INT ratio) yds is all that count?
GTFOH
So you just said fuck the other stats (completion %, TD to INT ratio) yds is all that count?
GTFOH
Let's look at it.
Kyle Orton has a higher completion % 67.4 and yardage (1,419) and they are both tied in TD to INT ratio (6-3) so how the fuck does Jay Cutler have a better QB rating? This tells you that QB ratings are bullshit.
lol@the one man rally in this thread.
I understand youre happy about your team..but youre obviously dumbfounded about a few things.
Like Finger said, Cutler/the Bears passing game was actually one of best in the league until they got fucked up by the Giants. One of the reasons why Orton's stats are like they are is because of the situations that the Broncos put themselves in during games. When youre not dominating the game...youre forced to pass a lot. And since you wanna be a stat fan boy, Michael Vick was actually playing better than both Cutler, Orton, Manning, etc when he was healthy. Did you know that?
you obviously dont know much about football; and I type that because your only using stats to argue your point. So many things factor into how a player/team plays. But when your adrenaline is pumping after only 2 wins.
..i guess you ignore the specifics. Are the Broncos better than the Bears, I say yes. But its not solely because of the players. Its mainly because of the organization itself.
Is Orton a good QB...yep. Well why was he bad in Chicago? Well because he didnt have the right weapons on the field nor upstairs. He didnt have the right people to make him into an elite QB. And now Cutler is in the same situation.
I could type why the Bears are a fucked up team...but Ill save it for the proper thread.
as for you...
Go do your homework before you make a thread!
@overzealous fans
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Yes, I knew that but obviously this thread isn't about Mike Vick and injuries are apart of the game but I digress.
you obviously dont know much about football; and I type that because your only using stats to argue your point. So many things factor into how a player/team plays. But when your adrenaline is pumping after only 2 wins.
When someone actually brings something of value to the table instead of the shallow nonsense I've heard thus far then perhaps we can talk about specifics until then I expect nothing less than the usual drivel that comes in response to Denver Bronco related threads. This is obvious infact it's so obvious it goes without saying.
Actually Orton was progressing well in Chicago in the 2008 season until he got hurt. Dude was on the comeup.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/bucky_brooks/10/31/buzz/
Go do your homework son.
Looks like you need to do your homework. Get your facts straight before you come to me with bullshit.
1. McDaniels had to get rid of Jay Cutler or as he's called in many circles "Backfoot Jay", because he's a poor decision maker; which results from lack of patience and discipline reading defenses and poor foot mechanics (throwing off the back foot constantly). Five years in the NFL and he's shown inability to improve in this area.
Sure, an argument can be made that he doesn't have the tools he had in Denver (Wide receivers, O-line, coaching, etc) but the problem is he's making the same stupid reads and throws he made when he was in Denver. This isn't all on lack of tools this is what Cutler is. Josh McDaniels wisely knew that Cutler wouldn't be the right fit for his system so out of town Cutler went. Now Cutler can enjoy getting killed in Mike Martz's system.
2. Guess who's leading the league in passing? It's not Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, or Drew Brees it's Kyle "Motherfuckin" Orton; you know the forgotten guy in the Cutler trade. I kept telling people Kyle Orton would do well in McDaniels's system but nobody was having that. I heard all the nonsense "You guys shouldn't have traded Cutler, blah, blah, blah". The way people were sucking Cutler's dick you would've thought we were trading a QB that won 4 Superbowls, but that wasn't the case. Once you start thinking with logic instead of emotion you could see the whole picture of McDaniels plan.
3. Brandon Marshall had to go because "the system" isn't about one guy. As talented as Marshall is once you start focusing your offense around one person you lose balance. Marshall made it about him when it should be about the team. What's great about "the system" is the open man is the one that gets thrown the ball. Lloyd, Royal, Gaffney, Thomas all can get open and Orton has spread the ball around. People said our passing offense wouldn't be shit after Marshall was traded; who's laughing now.
Three things:
1- I never liked Cutler. Bitch.
2- I'm actually happy for Orton. Someone's finally giving him a chance.
3- Marshall is a suspension waiting to happen. Ask his Ex.
BTW, what movie is that Lisa Ann gif from?
You made one valid point about Orton's progress in Chicago; But most of your response was sarcastic.
Like I stated, you used stats as the basis for your argument and excluded everything else. so yeah....you know nothing about the sport that you type about. Your thread was really based off pure emotions....but Im sure you wont admit to it....maybe because you werent aware of it...lol
But anyways...Im done..continue on w/ your celebration.
BTW....GL with your season.
Thank you for the link.
Two questions:
1- What win/loss record are you expecting from the Broncos this year?
2- Are you happy with your head coach's decision-making? (draft picks and in-game)
You forgot that Orton has 73 more pass attempts as well, and lower yds per completion.
QB rating is just fine, your delusional view of your favorite team is bullshit.
You forgot that Orton has 73 more pass attempts as well, and lower yds per completion.
QB rating is just fine, your delusional view of your favorite team is bullshit.
Glad Im not the only one to see that. Dude has a clear issue with Cutler. Cutler is good QB, just a bonehead. NO ONE and I mean NO ONE who knows shit about football thinks Orton is anything but a "good" QB in a pass happy system. None of those stats fool anyone into believing Orton is a better QB than Cutler either. Yet the OP thinks these stats mean exactly that. He thinks McDaniels is an ELITE coach even though hes 10-10 in 20 games... Lets put that record on the table and poke around some shall we... Take away that 6-0 start when no one had film on the Broncos... Dude is 4-10... The OP also forgets... THE OFFENSE WAS NEVER THE PROBLEM IN DENVER TO BEGIN WITH!!! So him having a good offense doesnt mean shit when they were good the year before he got there... All hes done is run out the two main attractions they had, while putting up the same win lose totals as the guy he replaced... How is this an upgrade??? Only in the OPs mind I guess
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Broncos should have kept peyton hillis!
I believe the reason why Hillis was let go was because Hillis was not gonna kiss McDummy's ass....just look at the players that had a problem with the coach Cutler,Marshall, Hillis,Scheffler and Stokely their is no way all those players all of a sudden have questionable character especially Stokely.
Moreno is nice but I rather have Hillis.Moreno is fuckin horrible tryin to run up the middle....
Didn't the Broncos start out 6-0 last year?
yeah they started 6-0 but you gotta look at the teams they was playing also... They played the Ravens,Steelers,Patriots,Cowboys,the Chargers twice,Colts, and Giants....they had a difficult schedule last year.
But there is not excuse losing to the Chiefs,Raiders and the Redskins though...
8-8 or 9-7; this team is still in the rebuilding process. Next season is when we make the serious playoff push.
Very pleased. I love the direction the team is headed in.
I just wanna say thanks for B. Marshall as of now he has been a role model. M. Irvin has personally taken him under his wings and he's easily the best receiver we've had in Miami for awhile ask A.Cromartie!
Ummm, didn't ya'll LOSE that game???
And then AGAIN Monday night???
Two blowouts in back-to-back games @ home is NOT a good look, trust me I know!!!
What been impressive is out of 175 attempts only 57 of Orton's passes have been incompletions; dude has completed 118 passes out of 175.
Sure he's throwing the ball more but still has a higher completion rate than Cutler. If Cutler had that many attempts he would have 11 picks by now. Hell, you can also throw in that Orton is a better leader, decision maker, and won more games as a starter; something the stupid QB rating formula doesn't don't reflect. QB rating is just fine, your delusional view of your favorite team is bullshit.
The current QB rating formula has never been a accurate reflection of how a QB performs on the field. The ratings don’t factor in blitzes, broken routes, dropped balls, fumbles, a lot of things. For a more intelligent analysis on QB statistics go here.
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
The Cowboys haven't won a Superbowl in 15 years and you pull out the "my team has more Superbowl titles than you" card? Are you serious? Wow man that really puts me in my place.
We did, but what does that have to do with us getting B.Marshall on our team?
I just wanna say thanks for B. Marshall as of now he has been a role model. M. Irvin has personally taken him under his wings and he's easily the best receiver we've had in Miami for awhile ask A.Cromartie!
I'm glad you like him; In Denver we like having 5 targets to throw to instead of forcing the ball into 1.
Fuck orton and cutler,
Bears should've grabbed vick for dirt cheap
Bears should've grabbed vick for dirt cheap
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