The Official BGOL " All About Women" Thread....

I had a chick break it off with me last night...All I heard was 'my needs'...'me'..and 'wants'...I didn't hear a damn thing about What I did for you ....How Much I love you and lets make this work....I knew I was headed for the right direction.

These women want all the cake and they want to eat it too.

am I the only one or do you notice how many women use the language of healthy relationships to manipulate people to stay in unhealthy ones,join unhealthy ones, or just to hide their own selfishness???

the funny part is that if more than half of all single brothas thought about their true needs, wants,etc and not impressing some woman or stunting on some dude....alot of these sistas would be out of options....
 
In short, just because a woman clearly has a good man (or vice versa), it doesn't mean that person is the good man she is supposed to have (or vice versa)


A lot of chicks are speaking this foolishness
 
A lot of chicks are speaking this foolishness

I just had a convo with a brutha today about similar shit...its real out here and we need to address our personal issues as men...not to better the women but ourselves...we talked about everything from suicide to depression...he was a dude from chi-town (k-town to be exact)...its more common than you think....we cant keep using drugs,women,sports,etc to hide ourselves from ourselves since we were taught as men to be ashamed of having feelings ("boys dont cry,etc")....we need to grow man...this shit is too real....



and most of women dont care....they got the shit on lock with the govts help..that says enough...
 
I gotta take back a statement I made to legacy infinity regarding what women who make demands bring to the table...she proceeded to explain all the romantic shit that the woman would do and be and I said "touche"...this only matters because its a hustle...there are women who will do it willingly out of care as opposed to emotional blackmail and manipulation..

.and a woman like that would not even be single to begin with because she would have her eyes on the "average joe" and they would be happily married as opposed to her riding dicks until her 30s..

..as opposed to using those skills as bargaining tools when the "top dog" in question can get them from other women....

its an old school hustle.....playing on his emotions...
 
I gotta take back a statement I made to legacy infinity regarding what women who make demands bring to the table...she proceeded to explain all the romantic shit that the woman would do and be and I said "touche"...this only matters because its a hustle...there are women who will do it willingly out of care as opposed to emotional blackmail and manipulation..

.and a woman like that would not even be single to begin with because she would have her eyes on the "average joe" and they would be happily married as opposed to her riding dicks until her 30s..

..as opposed to using those skills as bargaining tools when the "top dog" in question can get them from other women....

its an old school hustle.....playing on his emotions...
 
I gotta take back a statement I made to legacy infinity regarding what women who make demands bring to the table...she proceeded to explain all the romantic shit that the woman would do and be and I said "touche"...this only matters because its a hustle...there are women who will do it willingly out of care as opposed to emotional blackmail and manipulation..

.and a woman like that would not even be single to begin with because she would have her eyes on the "average joe" and they would be happily married as opposed to her riding dicks until her 30s..

..as opposed to using those skills as bargaining tools when the "top dog" in question can get them from other women....

its an old school hustle.....playing on his emotions...

Women are getting WORSE in their 30's ...WORSE
 
Alright Speak on it Fellas...Also what are some of the things us fellas need to lookout for as guys like myself approach my 30's and start dealing with that crowd?



Maybe i'm just ovulating right now...and i'm pretty smoked up. But why i got told by this single guy that he had to go iron his clothes(i assume for work tomorrow). And earlier another friend fella of mine was telling me how he had to make himself spaghetti. And when i heard this i was just like "awwwww".

I felt bad for them. They had nobody to care for'em.

So, how do you guys do it? What do you tell yourselves? Have you ever experienced a woman doing those types of things for you? If you did, did you miss them when they were gone?

I cooked just about every meal my husband had for years. Ironed his clothes. Washed his clothes. Magically made his socks appear. lol "They're just there. The magical sock fairy puts new socks in my drawer." :hmm:

And i remember his friends would always be like, "i wish i had that." So when you no longer have it what's there?

Is it a deep longing? Is it something you just sort of? Push to the back of your head?

Married guys how does it feel from having to do those things yourself to not?
 
Alright Speak on it Fellas...Also what are some of the things us fellas need to lookout for as guys like myself approach my 30's and start dealing with that crowd?


Mom taught me to do all of those things LI listed so that later in life it can't be used as a bargaining tool by a woman........

:D
 
until you debunk all of the research done by her and others over decades then your theory is hot air at best....if you want an african perspective chinweizu in " the anatomy of female power"

Based on this post I took a look at the book " the anatomy of female power".

First page of the prologue mentions Denise Plummer singing "woman is Boss". I am where this song originated and can tell you that the author took that song out of context.

This author is going around looking for instances to back up his conclusion without including the cultural significance of where it takes place.

I then skimmed thru the next couple of pages and it just gets worse.

This man is a pussy. He wrote this book for fellow pussies.

The author needs to stop feeling sorry for himself and be a man (if he knows how to)


:lol:
 
Based on this post I took a look at the book " the anatomy of female power".

First page of the prologue mentions Denise Plummer singing "woman is Boss". I am where this song originated and can tell you that the author took that song out of context.

This author is going around looking for instances to back up his conclusion without including the cultural significance of where it takes place.

I then skimmed thru the next couple of pages and it just gets worse.

This man is a pussy. He wrote this book for fellow pussies.

The author needs to stop feeling sorry for himself and be a man (if he knows how to)


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after the first read of the book I see where you are coming from, I never heard those songs or quotes,etc but just wanted to know what he thought...from my conversations with women alot of what he says is true, but he misses a serious point...that not all women have the same desire to control/enslave a man....its the more narcissistic and solipsistic ones who share that ambition...hand play games to hide that ambition, be they verbal or otherwise...the cultural significance point you brought up is another good miss on his part, books like that speak in generalities and result in a lack of real information that can be used to detect folks who have ill will....its a good start, but a terrible finish....
 
Nice Guys Finish Last
(And They Don't Deserve Your Sympathy)
Capital of Nasty Electronic Magazine
Monday, May 13, 2002 (544/915)
ISSN 1482-0471
By Jester

Categories: Bitterness, Culture, Life, Relationships
I've known quite a number of men who go on about their "Nice Guy" problem.

You know the Nice Guy. He's kind, he's sensitive, he respects women. He doesn't think solely with his cock. He's madly in love with the Nice Girl, and is in state of limbo, waiting for the day when she realizes Nice Guy is the one for her. In the meanwhile, it means being alone on Saturday nights, trying to remember what sex feels like, and wondering why you try so hard to be nice yet never get rewarded for it. Will there come a day when you're more than just a “good friend?”

You know the Nice Girl too. She is the kind, attractive, intelligent and funny girl who is dating the Jerk Boyfriend. Repeat the Nice Guy's mantra: “He doesn't deserve you.” Jerk Boyfriend treats her like something scraped from the floor of a bus station washroom. He doesn't appreciate her. Hell, he might steal from her, cheat on her, give her a disease, get her in trouble with the law and a few credit bureaus. He might even be openly abusive. Nice Girl will not leave him even though there is no compelling reason to stay with him. When she's “fed up,” she leaves him for a few days but keeps coming back, agreeing to give the Jerk an infinite supply of one last chances. The one time she honest to goodness dumps the Jerk Boyfriend, the Nice Guy's hopes soar that this is finally it…but then she finds another Jerk Boyfriend like the last one instead.

Through all this, Nice Guy patiently listens on the phone while she cries away the night over Jerk Boyfriend's latest escapade, and maybe even contemplates suicide. The Nice Guy picks up the Nice Girl when Jerk Boyfriend abandons her 20 miles south of the Middle of Nowhere at four in the morning. The Nice Guy's shoulder is constantly soaked because of her crying there. The Nice Guy would cut off a finger if he could get the Nice Girl to go out with him, but she won't. She “considers you a friend” and “doesn't want to ruin what we have.” Instead, she continues to date Jerk Boyfriends even though the Nice Girl's Level-Headed Best Friend might be urging her to go with Nice Guy instead. The Nice Guy is slowly being driven insane by the Nice Girl as he asks the heavens why she just doesn't get it.

Recently, the Nice Guy phenomenon has caught the attention of pop culture. I've seen webpages dedicated to Nice Guys, and there's a lot of sympathy built up for them. I even used to be a Nice Guy. And yet, I have absolutely no sympathy for Nice Guys. Zero. You whiny bunch of losers deserve everything you get.

That was harsh, wasn't it?

Sorry, it's true, and you need to be told. Because like the Nice Girl, you just don't get it.

If you find yourself in the situations I described above, you are a Nice Guy, which, as we all know, is a synonym for “Doormat.” And as long as you are one, you will never, ever, get the Nice Girl, and you are severely compromising your ability to attract any woman. All of your efforts are wasted, and the real irony is that the Nice Girl isn't, and she's not really worth having to begin with anyway.

Explain to me exactly why the Nice Girl should get together with the Nice Guy. Because Nice Guy will treat her with respect? Ah, but you do that already, so there is no reason. The Jerk Boyfriend provides the fantastic sex and the thrill of being arrested with his stash when the cops kick in the door. The Nice Guy provides the sympathetic ear and bail money. She's got two men fulfilling different roles. The arrangement is perfect, it doesn't need fixing in her mind. Yeah, she kinda wishes that her boyfriend wouldn't share needles, making it necessary for frequent visits to a walk-in clinic for the HIV test, but what the hey? Nice Guy is always there to drive her and hold her hand, and maybe even buy dinner afterwards.

In the world of addiction counseling, they refer to something called a “facilitator.” This is a person who supports the addict, however unwittingly. A person who lets an alcoholic stay with them and drink the days away because “they'll die on the street otherwise” is a facilitator. The facilitator is well intentioned, but in fact they just make it easier for the addict to continue behaving the way they do, and ultimately contribute to the addict's vice. That's what a Nice Guy does. He makes it easier for a Nice Girl to be a Nice Girl. Nice Girl will never change as long as Nice Guy will wipe up the spills for her.

I know this, because I used to be a Nice Guy, and spent my time chasing Nice Girls. No, I never did land one. I finally learned my lesson when I was courting an extremely attractive young woman. She was intelligent, compassionate, sexually uninhibited too. Oh, I wanted this one. But she was also--to use the clinical psychiatric term--severely fucked in the head, more messed up then an Alabama trailer after tornado season. Her perception of herself and the world around was so off that she probably couldn't recognize the above description of her, even with my name attached to this.

The breaking point came one night we were talking about a very emotionally charged subject. She got me talking about my something very important to me, kept pushing me for details, which I gave her, and got me so emotional about it, that I started to cry. She gave me a deep, sympathetic hug. And as I started bawling, I suddenly realized that there was no way in hell I was ever going to be with this woman.

Why? Because she was uncertain who I was until I started crying. Earlier I showed sensitivity that hinted I was a potential Nice Guy. But I also let her know that her body was certainly a source of fascination for me, so that showed signs of Jerk Boyfriend. The mixed signals confused her. She had to get me into one category or the other, and she did. When the tears started rolling, now she didn't have to respect me anymore. She had the two parts of the equation, and I fell on the side of the clean-up man while the other guy got to run around and have all the amoral fun.

At least until I wised up. See, the problem with Nice Guys is that they're the same as Nice Girls. There's a pattern of abuse going on. Nice Girls never recognize the pattern of abuse they go through, even though Nice Guy is always pointing it out to them. “You know, many women live healthy, rich lives and don't need to make up stories about walking into walls to explain away their bruises.” Nice Guys also never learn that when Nice Girls sob “You were right, you were right about everything” doesn't mean “and I'm going to change things now that I know this.” She's using you for a specific reason, and like a chump you keep on giving it to her.

Now, Nice Guys reading this, because they really aren't too bright, are probably assuming that I'm advocating being the Jerk Boyfriend instead. Not at all. Jerk Boyfriends are indeed scum. It's fun to be one when you're young, but as you get older, the women get smarter. Think a woman in her late 30s who is the CFO of an insurance company is gonna put up with that shit? No, the women at that age who will tolerate Jerk Boyfriends are truly bleak, and Jerks know it, but they can't get anything better. There is a price to be paid for the cowboy antics of your 20s.

There are also those who will interpret what I'm saying is that what women want is to be treated like dirt. I am not saying that either. What I am saying is that people who cannot love and respect themselves cannot truly love and respect others. The failure of the Nice Girl and Guy is the failure to love and respect themselves, and that's very serious, it's something people should seek help for. But if that help is not accepted after 10 tries, as far I'm concerned the Helper has done plenty and now it's up to the Recipient to get off their ass while the Helper moves on to someone smart enough to listen. By the same token, if the Helper keeps helping after 100 tries and a large financial investment, they're a lost cause too.

They say love should be unconditional. That's…stupid. Love is too precious to be unconditional. For example, love should be formed under the basis that the other person doesn't beat you, steal from you until you're destitute, and most importantly, does not abuse the love you give them. This is what a Nice Girl does. To tell you the truth, I don't really see any reason to land a Nice Girl. If she can't figure out that she deserves respect and is worthy of a real man (or real woman, if that's what's going on), who needs her?

If I were to treat my current girlfriend badly, well, I live 18 floors up, but I could die 18 floors down. I totally respect that about her. Not that I'm afraid of her, but I respect the fact that she loves herself enough to not tolerate lots of shit. I hate women who are pushovers. All of my girlfriends have been tough. A lot tougher than me, now that I think about it. And I feel that a woman who can and will put you through a plate glass window for messing with her, especially if you're her boyfriend, is a real woman.

If you want to break the Nice Guy/Nice Girl cycle, you can't be a pushover. Nobody, man or woman respects a doormat. When I worked in a restaurant, you know who made the most tip money? The servers who were borderline hostile. Know who made the least? The asskissers. If you don't love and respect yourself, nobody else will. Nice Girls do not truly respect Nice Guys, and I believe that even Nice Guys, for all their supposed patience and understanding, don't respect Nice Girls either. You think you can play psychiatrist to this basket case, and be the one to change her, don't you? For all her faults she's not a puzzle to unravel, Freud boy. She's a person too.

If you really must land the Nice Girl, the only way to do it is to put a price tag on your time. She calls you at four in the morning because she knows you're there and will always get her out of any jam. This time, tell her you're asleep but will be there in the morning, or at least around noon. Make it clear that you're no longer the Get Out of Jail Free Card. If she really needs help--but more importantly wants help--by all means give it to her. But if she doesn't take it, shrug your shoulders and walk away. Make it clear that your patience is not infinite, and if she wants your help, she has to start helping herself. It probably won't work, but hey, a real woman will notice you're a man who doesn't give out your love so foolishly, which means your love is worth something. Get the picture? And Nice Girls, the same goes for you. All you have to do to get respect and love is to decide to be worthy of it.

We are taught to be giving and forgiving. These things are good things to be. But we should also be taught emotional triage. Give your love abundantly to those who appreciate and respect it, and the rest will just have to be ignored if there isn't any left over. We can't save a person determined to drown. So there comes a time when we have to stop rescuing them, and tell them to swim instead.

http://con.ca/articles/544
 
Do Modest Men Get a Raw Deal?
by Matt Kaufman on 06/10/2010 at 1:54 PM

You know you gotta read a story with a headline like "Why Modest Men Get the Brush-Off from Women." And not only from women, says the Daily Mail: Employers too.

The gist of it is that modest men are considered "too weak" by women and employers alike. They're seen as "insufficiently confident and ambitious." Says a study quoted by the Mail: "Men are still required to uphold masculine ideals that require chronic exhibitions of strength while avoiding signs of weakness."

The story left me with unanswered questions. Though the headline invoked male-female relationships, the study itself focused on employment. And we never got a clear sense of how it defined "modesty": You can be modest and strong or modest and weak. Big difference there.

But everyday experience says modest men do tend to get a raw deal. Plenty of people (both women and men) say they value modesty in men, and clearly, many if not most of them don't mean it. In the workplace, they're commonly passed over: In the romantic realm, they're relegated to the role of "nice guys" and "just friends." Not always, but all too often. If you're a modest guy, you know what I mean. But you don't have to be a modest guy to see it. You just need eyes.

The world tells men to be self-promoters. The Word has the opposite message. There's no question which we should follow. But putting that into practice and living with the consequences brings all sorts of challenges and frustrations.

So let's talk about it, guys. And you too, ladies: You can bless some guys with your support and encouragement.


some of the replies:

In my experience it is too often our Christian sisters who are the most demanding of the traits associated with and developed through immodest approaches to life. The secular women in my acquaintance now seem to use their feminine wiles to seduce the men of good standing in their lives, as the arrogant self-centered archetype start to lose its appeal after years of being abused at such hands. A social woman can never accept a thoughtful man until she has thoroughly rejected the world. We would be wise to more loudly warn warn our young women that men who speak as if characters on whatever silly showing of emotional pornography is currently in vogue only do so after years of honing their skills through exploitation and conquest.


Quiet confidence is VERY attractive. But it's not immediately obvious. It takes time to see it, and to discern it as genuine strength. So yes, the guys who are more 'obviously' confident might seem to get more attention, but over time, I think a quietly confident man will look much more impressive than a brashly confident one.


The outgoing, life-of-the-party, non-modest guys were the ones I had crushes on in middle school. 10 years later, I tend to write them off because my experience has been that they're too immature for a serious relationship, or have a gazillion ex-girlfriends, or are way too SOMETHING (whatever their shining quality may be) to want to date someone who is not as SOMETHING as they are.

The quieter, more-under-the-radar guys, the ones who don't feel a need to broadcast everything about themselves in a crowd, seem more mature and are the ones that catch my interest now.
 
after the first read of the book I see where you are coming from, I never heard those songs or quotes,etc but just wanted to know what he thought...from my conversations with women alot of what he says is true, but he misses a serious point...that not all women have the same desire to control/enslave a man....its the more narcissistic and solipsistic ones who share that ambition...hand play games to hide that ambition, be they verbal or otherwise...the cultural significance point you brought up is another good miss on his part, books like that speak in generalities and result in a lack of real information that can be used to detect folks who have ill will....its a good start, but a terrible finish....


Yeah, co-sign.

He talks as if that is the only women that exists.

The funny thing is that there are men like the women he describes.

Men and women are humans.

The question is WHY do you WANT a companion?

If two people's needs intersect then you have compatibility.

There are so many types that exists that nature has ensured that we can at least have a good partial match.

A big part of the problem for both men and women is that that don't know what their purpose is in life.

Why must my sister or niece be lead by a man that doesn't know what he wants out of life, doesn't know how he relates to the world around him, his purpose?

Some of us men complain but we are no better.

e.g.

Man A: blue collar but hard working, no nonsense
Man B: white collar much more money, spent his career being goody 2 shoes in office environment

Man B is more likely to complain about women. Why?

The values of the 2 types may be different.
Man A could be more centered, stable, impact his environment around him
Man B could be going with the flow, trying to fit in etc...

Considering nature, which would generate more female hormones triggered by the need to propagate the specie?

On a base human level which type would be able to create something out of nothing to protect the survival of the family unit?

That is where the thug attraction come in.

Now considering all of this, the problem is that this society is based on IMAGE not SELF-DEVELOPMENT

Men pretend they are Type A instead of actually working and developing self, becoming more centered and a creator of his destiny instead of being a victim of circumstances.
They think that material trappings shows something about survival skills or the ability to provide hence the growth of the simp phenomenon.

Pussies with tattoos pretending to look tough while wearing skinny jeans.

Single mothers teaching boys to cater to a woman every needs based on resentment of a non-providing father.
In effect creating pussified men instead of men with vision, discipline and leadership to keep his team (family) intact.

We talk about the effects of single parents on women but there is also a component that we are leaving out, the effects/over compensation of single mothers on boys.




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^^^^
cosign 100%

he offers no solutions and only delves into one aspect of the game that those types of women play....self development is a must and a man who is on his own path is hard to control...knocking out women who want to control him by default...dudes like tariq nasheed and bossmack topsoil are better at balancing this out...holding men and women accountable....

the "thug" attraction one is kinda obvious to me...a woman can think with her uterus just like a man with his nuts...hypergamy+lack of emotional development in some cases= thug fucking....some chicks just want to get pounded out, and because alot of brothas are taught to change themselves and be a "good boy" for mommy as you alluded to, they carry this attitude into adulthood, where it does not apply at all.....the aggression and passion for life is not there, they are being fake, but they dont know it which is why they can be so emotional at times.....its a hustle....they have to grow as men....we all have to, and that means no illusions...
 
@ kayanation

is it me or are alot of brothas conditioned to doubt themselves from the time they are children??? alot of dudes hide behind money, women, education,etc to mask their shit...it doesnt help that boys are taught to ignore their feelings and not resolve them asap for their own good....shit a brotha about his shit, mind and body, is a threat to the narcissistic women that have taken over the community and the white power structure they depend on ......what do you think??
 
is it me or are alot of brothas conditioned to doubt themselves from the time they are children??? alot of dudes hide behind money, women, education,etc to mask their shit...it doesnt help that boys are taught to ignore their feelings and not resolve them asap for their own good....shit a brotha about his shit, mind and body, is a threat to the narcissistic women that have taken over the community and the white power structure they depend on ......what do you think??

Fatherless men....Big Boys Do Cry



I won't deny it's true. Even the men I have talked with, be they friends or patients in my office, will agree with it. The rub is that while men accept this fact they feel helpless to change it. That's because we are caught in a double bind, put on us by society, the other gender, and ourselves. The double bind says that we should be more in touch with our emotions and yet, at the same time, be tough, macho, Mr. Fix-It, and the Family Provider. We are asked to be in touch with our "feminine" side and still retain our "Male" strength

Of course, it's not possible to "feel nothing." The best example comes from the biggest complaint about male's behaviors, namely, that they are too competitive and aggressive. Boys are much more likely to be diagnosed as conduct disordered learning disabled, and attention deficit. Statistics are also higher for violent crimes and fighting among males. They are also more likely to be medicated for these disorders to decrease their aggressive behaviors. studies show that males are given an "emotional funnel" to express their feelings. All of their emotions: sadness, fear, anxiety, and frustration is translated into one emotion: Anger!

Anger is the most common emotion expressed by males. That is because men and boys feel more accepted by society when they express anger over what is considered to be the more "feminine" emotions. Here is the double-bind again: we ask males to manage their anger which is the only socially acceptable emotion to express and that emotion turns out to be a cover-up for other emotions, such as sadness or powerlessness. Anger or aggressive behaviors, are just the symptom. The source may be any number of hidden, indirect emotions.

So what do males do with this double bind? If we agree that we have trouble expressing our emotions, and that creates trouble for us relationally and socially, how do we get out of trouble? First, we start with understanding the true nature of emotions and then society must demonstrate an acceptance of those emotions in boys and men.





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@ kayanation

is it me or are alot of brothas conditioned to doubt themselves from the time they are children??? alot of dudes hide behind money, women, education,etc to mask their shit...it doesnt help that boys are taught to ignore their feelings and not resolve them asap for their own good....shit a brotha about his shit, mind and body, is a threat to the narcissistic women that have taken over the community and the white power structure they depend on ......what do you think??


I just don't like to see boys act like sissys.

I dated a girl with a 6 yr old boy, she taught him to express his feelings.
He would whine and whine, talk back to her telling her exactly how he felt and why.

I do NOT condone that shit.

He would say mummy I don't want to eat this blah blah blah and try to reason with her. She would reason back. I would then look at him and say "Eat it" and he would dive right in while crying and I will stare him down until he was done.


Boys need to learn self control, discipline and to push thru the pain.

Doing that doesn't meant that you don't know HOW to express your feelings.
By doing that first you will learn WHEN to express your feelings.

That is one of the biggest differences between men and women.

Females use emotion to draw you away from arguing on a logical plane where she is at a disadvantage into an emotional plane where she has the advantage.

By developing self-discipline you will determine whether you choose to go that route AT THAT TIME.

You can't have a team with two players playing the same role.

You will have competition instead of cooperation



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I just don't like to see boys act like sissys.

I dated a girl with a 6 yr old boy, she taught him to express his feelings.
He would whine and whine, talk back to her telling her exactly how he felt and why.

I do NOT condone that shit.

He would say mummy I don't want to eat this blah blah blah and try to reason with her. She would reason back. I would then look at him and say "Eat it" and he would dive right in while crying and I will stare him down until he was done.


Boys need to learn self control, discipline and to push thru the pain.

Doing that doesn't meant that you don't know HOW to express your feelings.
By doing that first you will learn WHEN to express your feelings.

That is one of the biggest differences between men and women.

Females use emotion to draw you away from arguing on a logical plane where she is at a disadvantage into an emotional plane where she has the advantage.

By developing self-discipline you will determine whether you choose to go that route AT THAT TIME.

You can't have a team with two players playing the same role.

You will have competition instead of cooperation



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cosign....

@ finger

I understand what you mean, but I dont trust society, they have shown us all we need to know in terms of how they feel about us, so nothing they do will work for us..we need to find what works for us ourselves..
 
yup

That alpha beta concept is pseudoscience crockery. Whatever a man does that works will be called alpha. What a man does that fails will be called beta. The concept becomes a circular dog chasing his tail illogical idea. I consider the concept superstition for men.

Men are logical and analytical so we think that women can be 'figured out' like everything else. Women don't rely on logic and facts as heavily so they appear unpredictable. I think women are more like improvisational music where it you figure it out as you go. I think that's why musicians are usually prolific womanizers because they have an emotional aptitude to receive and match a woman's moods.

I've learned to listen to women, women that have the traits I like, and take them at their word. If you listen to a woman, she will tell you everything you need to know. Its hard to not analyze what they are saying and suffer through a 30 minute explanation with side tracks, pointless details, and exaggerated emotions. But the truth will fall out when you least expect it. Most guys just don't listen or don't believe it when they hear. So, they think they have to become some superman or create a honor code of conduct to pull women. I just listen and act accordingly.
I don't know about that. Women talk a lot of bullshit. I'd go on to say they don't even believe a lot of the shit they say. If you mean that you listen to their actions/body language, etc...then I agree with you.

It's not about what a woman says, it's about how she reacts to what you say and/or do.

But the OP has a point. The Alpha male is the more sought after male because he exudes confidence...hell, it could be manufactured but women love confident men.

In woman speak, a confident man (alpha male) = sex master, protector, teacher

A non-confident man (beta male) = lame in the sack, weak, soft, etc.

This is common shit, and people who disagree are out of touch. There's a reason why beta males who "try" to act like alpha males always puff out their chest and at least try to appear confident..they usually overdo it though and women see through it. Ever wonder why women completely lose interest? Cuz she initially thought you were an alpha male, only to discover that you were actually a beta male. It's rarely ever the other way around.

With that said, beta males still get puzzy...as there are other factors at play.
 
according to this

http://www.virginia.edu/marriageproject/pdfs/2008LifeWithoutChildren.pdf

4/5 black children come from fatherless homes

but single brothers, no matter if they are not the father and have goals in their lives, need to step up and take responsibility for these kids, damn the women who had them. The women are never responsible for their actions, they are just passive,nurturing creatures and the big bad black man has abandoned his family.......























:hmm:
 
but single brothers, no matter if they are not the father and have goals in their lives, need to step up and take responsibility for these kids, damn the women who had them. The women are never responsible for their actions, they are just passive,nurturing creatures and the big bad black man has abandoned his family.......


:hmm:

Who's going to teach them????
 
who?? the women??? well they made their choices and need to deal with the consequences.....

as far as the kids are concerned...those who want to listen should be schooled...those who dont...well.....

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That's exactly my point, brotha. You just described a cycle (Women makes a mistake, then child turns into an adult to continue the samething. So again, I asks, who will break the cycle???
 
That's exactly my point, brotha. You just described a cycle (Women makes a mistake, then child turns into an adult to continue the samething. So again, I asks, who will break the cycle???

me and my cousin were just talkin bout this....its up to each person to change themselves...my cousin grew up in an abusive household...she told me some things she was into and said that she did not realize that she was acting out because of what she learned as a kid and has not been in a relationship for 3 years and is working on her issues....

it has a start, but each person has the responsibility to change themselves...as my cousin would say not many people can help you if you dont want to help yourself...
 
Women these days "don't" have a sense of humor either. All they do is walk around with chips on Shoulder.

Maybe you just tell lame ass jokes. I know I for one do, I be like :lol: while people look at me like :hmm:

Hmmm, this reminds of an exchage I had with a chick at Wendy's. I used a brand new gift card with $10 on it and purchased some boneless chicken which was $4.82

Young black bitch:Do you still want your card cuz there's only 5 cents on it?
Me: :confused: Ummm, I'll keep it.
Looks over reciept and see's that I have $5.18 left on gift card.
Me: Yells out while she goofin with her friend "You read the reciept wrong, it's $5 left, you must of thought you was slick trying to steal my money" :hmm:
Young black bitch::eek::hmm:
Me::lol: Just a joke.
Her friend::D:lol:

As I'm walking away I hear her talking shit "Oh I was about to say, forreal I was goin cuss his ass out, fuck outta here blah blah blah"
 
Maybe you just tell lame ass jokes. I know I for one do, I be like :lol: while people look at me like :hmm:

Hmmm, this reminds of an exchage I had with a chick at Wendy's. I used a brand new gift card with $10 on it and purchased some boneless chicken which was $4.82

Young black bitch:Do you still want your card cuz there's only 5 cents on it?
Me: :confused: Ummm, I'll keep it.
Looks over reciept and see's that I have $5.18 left on gift card.
Me: Yells out while she goofin with her friend "You read the reciept wrong, it's $5 left, you must of thought you was slick trying to steal my money" :hmm:
Young black bitch::eek::hmm:
Me::lol: Just a joke.
Her friend::D:lol:

As I'm walking away I hear her talking shit "Oh I was about to say, forreal I was goin cuss his ass out, fuck outta here blah blah blah"

not in that sense I mean "outgoing" they just walk around grumpy as hell and the minute you utter a hello..how are ya..they look at you like they have seen a monster with 3 heads....I guess its this 30+ crowd. All my friends in their mid 20's seem to be very outgoing...not that 30 + femaie crowd though:smh:
 
not in that sense I mean "outgoing" they just walk around grumpy as hell and the minute you utter a hello..how are ya..they look at you like they have seen a monster with 3 heads....I guess its this 30+ crowd. All my friends in their mid 20's seem to be very outgoing...not that 30 + femaie crowd though:smh:

Oh cool, I understand. Some people just really hate small talk.
 
me and my cousin were just talkin bout this....its up to each person to change themselves...my cousin grew up in an abusive household...she told me some things she was into and said that she did not realize that she was acting out because of what she learned as a kid and has not been in a relationship for 3 years and is working on her issues....

it has a start, but each person has the responsibility to change themselves...as my cousin would say not many people can help you if you dont want to help yourself...

I can understand where you're coming from and agree somewhat, but how can one help him/her self, when they don't know that help is needed?
 
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