Jerry Rice- the best NFL player ever

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Seriously??





Mike Sherrard's career stats
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Mike had a broken leg that took the steam out of his career. Dallas shipped him to the 9ers and it took him a while to get in to the swing of things. But those who watched 9er football from childhood on (like myself) remember Mike making big time plays. He was a great 3rd option.
 
You ninjas did not see no fucking Jim Brown play.....:lol::lol:

Jerry Rice is the GOAT......Numbers don't lie......
 
WTF?!

How old are you?

Rice used to son Dieon like Elroy.



The only DB I remember that gave Rice major problems for ONE GAME was Larry Brown.
man you better tell these Soulja Boys they aint knowing :dance:

You ninjas did not see no fucking Jim Brown play.....:lol::lol:

Jerry Rice is the GOAT......Numbers don't lie......
ol' sitting by the living room fireplace listening to great-uncle JuneBug tell them about what he read in the newspaper ass niggas.
 
great article from todays AP

SAN FRANCISCO - The stories about Jerry Rice's unparalleled work ethic are as much a part of his legend as numbers that made him the NFL's greatest receiver.

The young boy who gained his speed by chasing after horses. The dedicated son who learned about determination from his father while catching how bricks during sweltering Mississippi summers.

The teenager sent to the football coach because of the speed he showed running away from a principal while playing hooky. And the frequent four-kilometre uphill sprints that kept him in tiptop shape as an NFL star.


For former teammate Steve Young, the story that best describes Rice's drive comes a couple weeks after the San Francisco 49ers won the Super Bowl in January 1995.

Young arrived one day at the team's practice facility to clean out his locker and saw Rice out on the field running sprints and catching passes from the groundskeeper nearly seven months before the start of the next season.

"When people talk about Jerry's work ethic and say, 'Oh it's really extreme, they do it a disservice," Young said. "There's an iron will to it. It's over his dead body. Jerry to the core was driven.

"You belittle that drive by saying he had just a great work ethic. Most people have an off switch and they choose when to go all out. Jerry didn't have an off switch."

Rice kept that switch on since he started playing high school in Mississippi, through his record-setting college career at Mississippi Valley State, to a 20-year career in the NFL that landed him in the Pro Football Hall of Fame.

Rice was elected on his first try and will be inducted into the Hall on Saturday, along with Emmitt Smith, John Randle, Russ Grimm, Rickey Jackson, Floyd Little and Dick LeBeau.

"There was no way I was going to be denied," Rice said. "I kept working hard and my dream came true.

"I tell kids do not let any obstacles stand in your way. If you want to achieve something go for it. I'm living proof with my background and where I came from. I didn't give up and I wanted to be the best football player I could possibly be in the NFL and I was able to accomplish that."

Rice holds virtually every significant receiving mark, including most career receptions (1,549); yards receiving (22,895); total touchdowns (208); and combined net yards (23,546) in his career with San Francisco, Oakland and Seattle.

Numbers are only one way to measure Rice's greatness. But consider this: Rice has 447 more catches than Marvin Harrison(notes) in second place and 7,687 more yards receiving than Isaac Bruce(notes) in second place. The difference between Rice and second place eclipses the career production of Hall of Famer Lynn Swann, who finished with 336 catches and 5,462 yards receiving.

"Jerry expanded the position of wide receiver so much that there may never be another guy who comes around and expands on the position," Young said. "I don't know if you can say that about any other position. Peyton Manning(notes) has come around and done things that we didn't do.

"It happens at every position. But I can't imagine another receiver coming around who expands on what he did."

Rice's journey started far away from the bright lights under which he excelled so much while winning three Super Bowls and so many other accolades in the NFL.

It is in Mississippi where the self-described high school "nerd" turned into a football player almost by coincidence. Skipping class one day, Rice was confronted by the principal and ran away. Rice received a whipping for his misbehaviour and a referral to the football coach because his speed was so impressive.

Rice credits his speed to his chasing down a beautiful black stallion named Pete. Rice had to run after the horse in order to ride it each day and did what it took to get that reward.

His hands and focus were honed working for his brick mason father on scorching hot days. Rice would stand on the scaffolding and catch bricks from his brothers to hand to his dad — with any dropped brick being deducted from his pay cheque.

"Even though I was not playing football, I was preparing myself for it," he said.

Rice took the game quickly but was only visited by one college. It just happened to be one that fit his game perfectly so he went to Mississippi Valley State to play in the run-and-shoot under coach Archie Cooley.

Despite catching 112 passes for 1,845 yards and 28 touchdowns his senior year, Rice lasted until 16th in the 1985 draft when 49ers coach Bill Walsh traded three draft picks to New England in one of his shrewdest moves ever.

He was the third receiver taken in the draft, following Al Toon to the New York Jets and Eddie Brown to the Cincinnati Bengals. He lacked game-breaking speed that many teams covet, running the 40-yard dash in 4.6 seconds, but was almost never caught from behind on the field.

His transition to the NFL wasn't seamless as he admits to some serious jitters when he walked into the locker room of the Super Bowl-champion 49ers.

"When I first stepped into that locker room I looked across and there was Joe Montana and Ronnie Lott, all of these Hall of Famers and I'm in the room with these guys," Rice said. "At first it was like a deer in the headlights."

Rice struggled with some drops early in his career, leading some to question why he was a first-round pick. But Lott saw something right away in Rice, who beat the future Hall of Famer with a sly double move on one of the first days of practice.

Then Lott saw Rice's reaction to the drops and knew he would become a star.

"You didn't see many rookies with the ability to perform precision routes like that. It just seemed natural to Jerry," Lott said. "After he had a rough game with a couple of drops, I saw him sitting at his locker crying.

"For a lot of people when they lose, it's not personal. For him it was always personal. It showed how much he wanted to be great."

Rice's breakthrough came on a Monday night late in his rookie season when he had 10 catches for 241 yards in a win over the Los Angeles Rams.

"I knew into that game and I did not have to think about anything," he said. "I knew the system. Now I could just go out there and just play. That was the start for me. But I never gave in the situation of, 'OK, I have arrived now.'

"I always wanted to come back the next year and have a better season. That was the extra incentive to stay focused and continue to work hard."

That game started his record streak of 274 consecutive games with a catch as the records started to fall. He had 11 straight 1,000-yard receiving seasons starting the next year; had a then-record 22 touchdown catches in 12 games of the strike-shortened 1987 season; won the Super Bowl MVP following the 1988 season with 11 catches for 215 yards against Cincinnati and had a record 1,848 receiving yards in 1995.

Rice never let up. Not after a devastating knee injury in the opener of the 1997 season and not after being released by San Francisco in 2001 and reviving his career in Oakland for one last Super Bowl run.

"He was so meticulous about making sure he never compromised the integrity of being a great receiver," Lott said. "It can happen when you get older. He could have done it after his knee surgery or when he went to the Raiders.

"But he never compromised the integrity about being meticulous with his effort."
 
So then Emmitt is the best RB of all time too...right?

if that is someones opinion....yes, they could make an argument for that.....

this best player shit...in any sport.....is all personal opionion...

but when you put a players name in the bucket...he better have stats to back that shit up.....
 
That would be a valid example if Emmitt owned even 10 percent of the amount of league records that Rice owns.

I'm not going into the detailed research, but most of those "records" that were posted by JD Walker (which he just copied from a wikipedia page) are mostly based on longevity, which Emmitt has.

Some stats are just a complete waste of time...

Touchdown receptions in a game in Tampa Bay (4) - tied with Sterling Sharpe


The records that matter, most yards, most TDs...are comparable.
 
if that is someones opinion....yes, they could make an argument for that.....

this best player shit...in any sport.....is all personal opionion...

but when you put a players name in the bucket...he better have stats to back that shit up.....


You said numbers don't lie. Numbers aren't opinionated, so using that logic, Emmitt has to be the best RB of all time.
 
I believe RB is a more important role in football than wide reciever.

Both can be break a game open positions. But a RB gets more touches than a WR. So he has more game changing ability than a WR. A WR can't carry a team. A WR can't be a workhorse.

So i think Brown's records would have to count a little more than Rice's in this arguement.
 
I believe RB is a more important role in football than wide reciever.

Both can be break a game open positions. But a RB gets more touches than a WR. So he has more game changing ability than a WR. A WR can't carry a team. A WR can't be a workhorse.

So i think Brown's records would have to count a little more than Rice's in this arguement.

You do realize that Jerry numbers appear to be 2 careers in one. Some of the greatest wr ever only have 40% of the numbers that Jerry has. Go back a page and check all of Jerry's numbers, then come back and talk about JB's records.
 
You do realize that Jerry numbers appear to be 2 careers in one. Some of the greatest wr ever only have 40% of the numbers that Jerry has. Go back a page and check all of Jerry's numbers, then come back and talk about JB's records.

I understand longevity leads itself to a significant amount of numbers. And his longevity comes from alot of factors. But i'm still trying to see how his numbers in amount...lead to quality over the quality of Jim Brown's numbers. Why does the quanity overvalue the quality?

There's alot of things to take into consideration here i feel. Like the arguement about level of competition for Jim Brown. System of play for Jerry Rice. Style of play for the atheletes in question has to be regarded as well.

You get a whole lot of numbers and records and how many of them actually MEAN anything? They're part of a greater whole. Touchdowns is significant. And then the thing is also is the unknown factor of what Jim Brown could've done had he played for 15 years. In a 16 game season. In an offense say like Terrell Davis played for. You've got to quadruple his numbers and accomplishments on what he did already.

And importance to team. Without Jim Brown what would have the Browns been? Without Jerry Rice you already had a Hall of Fame type team and System set up. The knock on Jim so far seems to be "He didn't play long enough" And "He was so much better than everyone at that time he was ahead of his time, if he played in the nfl now..."
 
That would be a valid example if Emmitt owned even 10 percent of the amount of league records that Rice owns.

Yeah but I mean most of the records on that page are they even in the books? I mean seriously the only ones that matter are catches, yards, and TD's all that shit like "Most yards on MNF" that shit is made up. Emmitt owns the most important RB records. yards and TD's
 
I understand longevity leads itself to a significant amount of numbers. And his longevity comes from alot of factors. But i'm still trying to see how his numbers in amount...lead to quality over the quality of Jim Brown's numbers. Why does the quanity overvalue the quality?

There's alot of things to take into consideration here i feel. Like the arguement about level of competition for Jim Brown. System of play for Jerry Rice. Style of play for the atheletes in question has to be regarded as well.

You get a whole lot of numbers and records and how many of them actually MEAN anything? They're part of a greater whole. Touchdowns is significant. And then the thing is also is the unknown factor of what Jim Brown could've done had he played for 15 years. In a 16 game season. In an offense say like Terrell Davis played for. You've got to quadruple his numbers and accomplishments on what he did already.

And importance to team. Without Jim Brown what would have the Browns been? Without Jerry Rice you already had a Hall of Fame type team and System set up. The knock on Jim so far seems to be "He didn't play long enough" And "He was so much better than everyone at that time he was ahead of his time, if he played in the nfl now..."

Exactly. People can talk all the shit they want but if you starting a team you gonna take Jim Brown over Jerry Rice all day.
 
Emmitt owns the most important RB records. yards and TD's

Career longevity records. NOT the "average" or seasonal records. Only won 4 rushing tiles.

Jim Brown averaged nearly 25 more yards per game!!!
 
Yeah but I mean most of the records on that page are they even in the books? I mean seriously the only ones that matter are catches, yards, and TD's all that shit like "Most yards on MNF" that shit is made up. Emmitt owns the most important RB records. yards and TD's

It just goes to show that Rice owns almost ALL the receiving records..not just the important ones.

Emmit owns a couple but Rice is way more dominant in the record books plus look at the distance between #1 and #2 with Rice... that has to be taken into account.
 
Numbers are only one way to measure Rice's greatness. But consider this: Rice has 447 more catches than Marvin Harrison(notes) in second place and 7,687 more yards receiving than Isaac Bruce(notes) in second place. The difference between Rice and second place eclipses the career production of Hall of Famer Lynn Swann, who finished with 336 catches and 5,462 yards receiving.

Come on yall... how can yall compare Smith to this...
 
It just goes to show that Rice owns almost ALL the receiving records..not just the important ones.

Emmit owns a couple but Rice is way more dominant in the record books plus look at the distance between #1 and #2 with Rice... that has to be taken into account.

I didnt say Emmitt was close to Rice or Brown, I was just building on the point Fingers made... But the same as the distance with Rice, check the distance between Brown and the rest at the time of his retirement.
 
Come on yall... how can yall compare Smith to this...

Nobody is comparing, it was sarcasm he was using to say Numbers dont always mean everything. And for the record Lynn Swann has the lowest stats of any modern day HOF WR, but yeah Rice lapped the field with that.
 
Whoa, I didnt say emmitt was better.

You said he owned the "most important" records. I'm saying you have to put them in context with his averages.

When Brown retired 45 years ago he owned BOTH "totals" records (in yards, TDs ...etc.) and the "average" records (the latter of which he still does).
 
Nobody is comparing, it was sarcasm he was using to say Numbers dont always mean everything. And for the record Lynn Swann has the lowest stats of any modern day HOF WR, but yeah Rice lapped the field with that.

I get what was being said in terms of numbers dont tell the entire story.... but again, if numbers are the criteria, I dont think the numbers that Rice posted in comparison to other WRs in the history of the NFL and the numbers Smith posted in comparison to other RBs in the NFL even compare... just on pure numbers it is Rice by a long shot.

Yeah. I know that Swann has extremely light numbers....but still...just on general principle that is insane that you can put a HOF in between Rice and second place..
 
I think i have to go with Jim Brown. Based entirely on what he did while he played. I subtract a bit for level of competition. I subtract a bit for longevity but his pluses were still outshining those of Jerry's.

And for the record? I think Adrian P could outdo Jim in the long run.
 
I didnt say Emmitt was close to Rice or Brown, I was just building on the point Fingers made... But the same as the distance with Rice, check the distance between Brown and the rest at the time of his retirement.

I know... just convo.

I agree...Same thing could be said for Brown. What Ive been doing lately is just saying the greatest that Ive seen play for their entire career...

Ive had long debates with Blunt about Rice vs Brown... but the reality of the matter, is that I find it hard to really judge based on looking at film retrospectively.

That is why I now say Jordan is the greatest Ive seen play (though I can understand arguments for Magic or Kareem whose careers i watched).... but I dont say the GOAT anymore because having only seen video and not really having watched the careers of Wilt, Russell.... i cant really say....
 
And for the record? I think Adrian P could outdo Jim in the long run.

But he has to solve his fumbling problem...you cant be considered amonst the greats with the type of fumbling he continues to do...regardless of how many yards he will put up.
 
Another thing that makes me take Brown is because Cats didnt really start even catching up till they lengthened the seasons.
 
But he has to solve his fumbling problem...you cant be considered amonst the greats with the type of fumbling he continues to do...regardless of how many yards he will put up.

Emmit Had a fumbling problem too early on. Alot of the greats had fumbling problems if you really think about it. In the regards to how he will surpass Jim Brown. I think he will revolutionize the running game. Defenses i believe will be created to stop him. He's not even maxing his potential yet. Not lead the league in every season. But he'll win superbowls. He'll win some rushing titles. He'll get at least 2, 2k seasons.
 
jim brown is the greatest football player that i never seen play...nobody comes close(to me) to what jb did in his era and the records that he held and still holds

jerry rice is the greatest football player i have seen play, next to ray lewis, joe montana, reggie white, and deion sanders!!!
 
A WR can't be the greatest player ever, because he's too dependent on his QB and the system.

Put Rice on another team, will he accomplish the same? Not even close. Perfect system and QB's.

Like Andre Rison with Atlanta, compared to Green Bay, Kansas City, Oakland....

Where as you can see with Peyton, Harrison, Wayne, Garcon, Collie, Clark, Tamme....doesn't matter.

So how's Rice better than Joe Montana :confused:
He won without Hall Of Fame players on offense.
Jerry still needed Steve Young.

People like Reggie White, Walter Payton, Jim Brown, LT...they would be dominate on any team. Walter Payton, good offensive line, bad offensive line, bad team, good team, coach...didn't matter
 
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