How to get bodied, wheres the pride
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How to get bodied, wheres the pride
Holland all the way..actually i was telling my girl that the dutch team used to be about 55% percent black i remember because i used to visit my father in Holland when he worked for Heineken...and i loved watching them with Patrick Kluivert, seedorf and davids...they were Suriname born..but if u go to holland especially in the black areas u will see a lot of black peeps from suriname...fine womenbut i guess the team is more united now..because people always said the team was divided...oh well i will be supporting Holland.
Yes, Holland was a force to be reckoned with when they had a lot of Suriname players on their team but they are still salty that we're no longer a colony and refuse to hand over Desi Bouterse the former army leader who staged a coupe in the 80's.
Ah well fuck em, they raped my beautiful Suriname and left us poor only to come back and try to dictate to us what we should do.
They actually had the better midfield; Brazil's midfield has been suspect, as I have been saying, for the last year. They simply do not have any holding midfielders. Kaka is an offensive player; Robinho is the only semblance of a holding midfielder.
Brazil were doing well by compressing the game to eliminate the big space in midfield; what undid them was the flopping of Robben which led directly to the first goal, and removal of Michel Bastos from the game. Clearly Van Marwijck told Robben to get Bastos out of the game by getting him a second yellow.
Brazil would and should have won the game by simply holding on.. But once the other team scored, and they had to open up the game, their deficiency in midfield prevented them from both moving the game, and from preventing Sneijder bringing the ball up the middle. Danni Alves was a disaster in midfielder. The replacement of Luis Fabiano by Nilmar was even more stupid..
On the other hand, if they had had a Ronaldinho to do exactly what Iniesta is doing, Brazil would be in and winning the finals.
Maybe I'm wrong on this, but isn't G. Silva a holding midfielder who was considered one of the best in the world not that long ago?
I beg to differ.
I was fortunate enough to be at that stadium to watch the the game and have reviewed it a couple of times on tv since and Brazil dominated pocession for the game but Netherlands were fortunate to grab two timely goals and when Brazil had a player sent off they began chasing the game.
They were by no means outclassed in midfield, the first Dutch goal came about because the Brazil keeper did not claim a straight forward cross and it came of his defenders head. The second goal was a header from a corner kick.The Brazil goal was played through the midfield to Robinho.
That staistics for the game as documentent on the BBC website are as follows:
Brazil Netherlands
Possession 58% 42%
Attempts on target 7 6
Attempts off target 7 3
Corners 8 4
Fouls 20 17
Hardly the stats of a team that was dominated in midfield.....
Cosign. Also, don't forget that Melo assisted on the early Robinho goal. At that point after the way the Dutch were easily carved open, it looked as if Brasil might easily get 3 or 4.
This has not been one of your best posts, I will not touch on your claims about Brazil's midfield as they have already been debunked by the posters above and by anyone with eyes.
You say Ronaldinho should have been employed to do wht Iniesta does for Spain, wow, ok, that has NEVER been Ronaldinho's game, why would Dunga ask him to start now? if Brazil, wanted someone to do that then Diego would have been a better choice
The statistics mean absolutely nothing. It is not how long you have the ball, but what you do when you have it. Brazil like to pass the ball side to side in the backline and them make a dash up the side. They are weak down the middle and anytime that can push the ball through their gut, will expose them. To make that work, since they play with a compact field, you need to be able to outsprint them to the through balls. The Europeans they play do not have that speed... Sneijder did have a better game than any Brazilian midfielder, especially in the second half. The Dutch goals themselves were from dead ball situations, one of which was outright deceitful.
What the impact of the Dutch midfield was, was in frustrating any potential for danger from Brazil...
That has NEVER been Ronaldinho's game, why would Dunga ask him to start now? if Brazil, wanted someone to do that then Diego would have been a better choice
Ronaldinho was a faciliator at Barcelona making Eto'o look like a star... If he cannot do that job, they need someone who can. They need a Messi or an Iniesta.
People do not like to see Brazil criticised, but I have been saying the same thing about them for a year. They are soft up the middle. And they play with a high backline, which someone with speed will punish them for...
Eto'o was a star but thats a different story
Yes Diego should have been the one to play the role of Iniesta, not Dinho, Dunga was right not taking him
But yet the Brazillians had 14 shots on goal as compared to the 9 of the Dutch...
But yet the Brazillians had 14 shots on goal as compared to the 9 of the Dutch...
If you have watched this game long enough, you will know that the quality of shots is more important that the number of shots. In Holland-Brazil game, how many shots did Danny Alves and Michel Bastos take from 35 yards. Danny Alves was particularly guilty of kicking the ball on goal, no matter where he got the ball from. Michel Bastos who has the mind of the striker that he is, also kicked on the slightest opportunity.
Furthermore, as I have been saying, as well as Sneijder played, especially in the second half, Van Persie left a lot to be desired. I can give you another example, Ivory Coast totally dominated Brazil in midfield, but could not feed Drogba the ball. Kolo Toure made one mistake, Kaka fed the ball to Luis Fabiano who made no mistake with it. Ivory Coast dominated the midfield again, Fabiano cheated one ball, put himself in excellent position and scored.
The job of the midfield is to put the striker in a position to score, but the strikers must score. Zambia is a team which plays excellent midfield. However they cannot finish worth a fuck. That is why they never come to the world cup, even though according to Fifa stats, they have the highest density of football players per capita in Africa...
Zimbabwe play ugly football, but score. However, when they play a complete team like Ghana, the Ghanaians simply choke out the Zimbabwean midfield. Malawi also play very well in midfield, but somehow always are one player from having a solid team.
I mention these countries because you are in Southern Africa, and you can talk to people there about these teams. I have watched Cameroon, Nigeria, Ghana, Zambia, Malawi, Zaire, Kenya, Uganda, Angola, Zimbabwe, Algeria, Morocco, Egypt, Sudan, Tanzania, but not South Africa, live and in person.
I also watched the World Cup game between Nederlands and Brazil in 1994 in Dallas..
I know what I speak of. A team that has an opportunistic striker, like Klose or Fabiano, will have its day. But the day it plays against a team with a good midfield, quality supply to the striker will dry out. That is what happened to Brazil and Germany .
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Your argument is or was that the Netherlands outplayed the Brazillians in the midfield...I contest this.....Even if every single shot that Brazil took was from the 35 yards, they would have had to have passed the the Netherlands midfield to do so..
Watch the game again you will see that Brazil were not beaten by the efficiency of the Netherlands midfield.
Robinho's goal came from a pass through the midfield.
Kaka's shot that produced a diving save from the Dutch keeper parrying the ball wide of the right post was the end result of Robinho's dribble along the left flank and a pass into their number 9 who back heeled it to Kaka, disseminating the Dutch midfield and defense.
Maicon had a shot from just inside of penalty box that went into the side netting as result of a pass from Alves, who was just outside the D when he made the pass.
Maicon put another cross into Kaka who tried to place the ball in the top right hand corner from just outside the d,the keeper was beaten but he missed.
Kaka also did a run down the left flank into the penalty box and shot again into the side netting, again from inside the penalty box....
All of these chances that I've listed required bypassing or disecting the Dutch midfield and all shots were uncontested by any Dutch defense or midfield...
I would say it was Brazillian profligacy in front of goal that cost them the game and not any midfield battle...
Not really Gyan is just not a very good stricker, he is too wasteful in front of goal....!!!!
You have to understand what outplaying another team in midfield is. If you think that touching the ball in the other teams half means you have over come midfield you are wrong. To out play the other team in midfield is
a) to advance the ball through their midfield, in a systematic way that leaves in an atttacking formation. To lob a pass to one isolated striker, who is surrounded by 4 defenders at the 18 yard line is not to defeat their midfield.
b) it is to disrupt their offensive progress by altering, deflecting or intercepting their passes. If they wanted to go through middle and you force them to the outside where one of their players streaks with or to the ball without any support, you have suffocated them in midfield and stifled their plans...
Midfield play is an art; you have to study and understand it. Teams like the US are now beginning to get it, and that is why the US is now a difficulty opponent to beat...
If the midfield does its job, the striker will get space and have a good shot on the goal. That is why I say that the midfield is the first line of offense and of defense. Midfield is the game, and the game is midfield. Everything I have said about the midfield has been vindicated. Go to the beginning of the tournament and look at my comments. Within 5 minutes, I knew Nigeria were in trouble with Argentina. The same was evident between Cameroon and Japan, and my record has been consistent....
Argentina, Cameroon,....Nigeria??? My friend, I thought we were talking about the Brazil - Netherlands game???
The passages of play I highlighted demonstrated numerous occasions when the Brazillians had out thought and outplayed the Dutch midfiled.....that game was not lost by the Brazillians in the midfiled!!!
You do not understand midfield play...
You should tell that to my coach 'cos he keeps putting me in that position and congratulating me after every game......
this is what he needs
Im going to have to side with Charlie Dark on this one. Nzinga, you said that that Brasil had no holding midfielders and that robinho was as close to a holding midfielder as it got for Brasil. Clearly, both of these are erroneous statements. this is the formation Brasil use:
Put melo where Josue is in the picture. Silva and melo protect the back for while Robinho and Kaka are more attack minded midfielders. The first brasil goal came when melo carved open the dutch defense with a beautiful ball for Robinho. The two dutch goals came against the run of play (especially the 1st) and were not indicative of midfield domination on the part of the dutch.
Im going to have to side with Charlie Dark on this one. Nzinga, you said that that Brasil had no holding midfielders and that robinho was as close to a holding midfielder as it got for Brasil. Clearly, both of these are erroneous statements. this is the formation Brasil use:
Put melo where Josue is in the picture. Silva and melo protect the back for while Robinho and Kaka are more attack minded midfielders. The first brasil goal came when melo carved open the dutch defense with a beautiful ball for Robinho. The two dutch goals came against the run of play (especially the 1st) and were not indicative of midfield domination on the part of the dutch.
That is how they list them, but when they play, Silva is more of a defender, covering the space left by Michel Bastos when he ventures up.... Juan often moves to the right when Maicon adventures up the right with Felipe Melo dropping down to almost center back. Brazil hate them middle of the field. When they had Ze Roberto and Dinho, they were able to range in the middle of the midfield, in the days of Kaka, Elano and Ramirez, everything goes along the side. The space in the middle is left open to whoever wants it, and that is where South Africa, Egypt and Ivory Coast dominated them. Egypt lost Muhammad Zidane in and could not do anything; Drogba was wounded. South Africa have no clue...
The Brazil under Dunga does not have a classic midfield game. I said this from the beginning. Even when they played France in 2006, Zidane simply mangled them up the middle. If they had midfielder like Xavi, Xabi and Iniesta, or Mascerano, Veron and Messi, they would be a different animal.
This is what people cry about when they talk about this Brazil... It lack midfielders in the mold of Bebeto, Falco, Socrates.. People who could hold on to the ball and do something with it.
Ivory Coast walked all over the Brazilian midfield, but Drogba simply could not move into open space... South Africa toyed with Brazil but awful finishing.
They wouldn't sign him if they thought they couldn't polish his striking capabilities; he would be a project. If this goes through, you best believe that they will teach his ass on how to SET UP a strike and facilitate the freaking ball to the open man.
Ghana would of won against Uruguay in normal time if he and all the other midfielders didn't try to strike the ball from 40 fucking yards, passed to the open man,pressed into the penalty box, and SET UP the fucking shots when they the had space to.
Gang, turn to ESPN there is a show called "I scored a goal in the FIFA World Cup Final" on right now...
You can catch them here as well: http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-cup/i-scored-a-goal?cc=5901&ver=us
We don't play as fluid as we usually do, But we'll take the Cup anyway
wE need to improve if we want to beat Spain, but i think we have a good chance to win the world cup.
Hopefully van persie gets his flare back, because he's shit at the moment.
Their midfielders are ok... but the problem of Ghana is their old problem of striking the ball; in fact it is the problem of ALL Africans. This because most of us grow up playing balls made of old cloth or paper bound together with twine..We simply do not have the familiarity South Americans and Europeans have with the ball. The first touch by many Africans is usually heavy, coming as a result of playing balls with non ellastic properties. When you are kicking a live ball, you touch must be measured otherwise the ball will have a big rebound on you...Also, most of us play barefoot...
We don't play as fluid as we usually do, But we'll take the Cup anyway
wE need to improve if we want to beat Spain, but i think we have a good chance to win the world cup.
Hopefully van persie gets his flare back, because he's shit at the moment.
I'm talking about the same players. By POLISHED, I mean Coached up on making better decisions with striking, breaks, set pieces.
I hear what you are saying. The handling of the ball was what prevented them from converting on opportunities. But there are little things that play a major role such as setting up a shot, or passing for a strike, which IS CRUCIAL.
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