***** OFFICIAL UFC 116 THREAD - Lesnar / Carwin - MGM Grand - Vegas, bitches

#1 I'm just stating the facts...which remains that Werdum got fired after getting abused by Dos Santos. That said, I don't think the UFC should have cut him. Yes, he got embarrassed but its not like Dos Santos is a slouch. He could potentially do the same to every other top heavyweight in the game. Dude is a beast and Werdum should have been given a shot to fight another contender to show he belonged in the UFC.

#2 I don't think that Werdum fighting style had anything to do with him getting cut from the UFC. There are several fighters in the UFC that only bring a strong ground game to the table (Damien Maia, Josh Koscheck, Jon Fitch, Chael Sonnen, etc.)

#3 Carwin didn't barely beat Gonzaga. He did to Gonzaga what Dos Santos did to Werdum...HE KNOCKED HIM THE FUCK OUT!
#3 Only after getting rocked badly. Another rouynd and who knows ...

#2 And unless I'm badly informed, the UFC did NOT sign Arona b/c of his style after the bought PRIDE:

By Jason Perkins November 04, 2007

Ricardo Arona, one of mma's biggest free agents seems intent on coming to the UFC. Check out commments Arona made to Tatame.com:

"The UFC rules were made for me. When they put me there it will be hell," said Arona. "Nobody will stop me. Everything favors me, the rules, the time zone. These rules with vaseline in your face, elbows and 5 minute rounds were made for me. I am used to fighting 20 minutes. Apart from the rules, you also cannot use steroids, and there are a lot of people falling because of that. I never used steroids, and I am laughing my ass off of these people that are falling because of it. I have no problems because of it."

Hell, Bonnar should have beeen cut a long time ago, but his style is TV-friendly ... Werdum is not.

I do hope they sign Arona now though, as they are in talks.
 
That Lesnar vs. Carwin fight just reconfirmed something to me. I've seen Brock Lesnar in person, up close backstage during autographs, in his early WWE days. He's a big guy. But seeing him take a beating tonight and then act like that shit never happened and submitting Carwin...

If any random beef ever came up on the streets this is all I got for that mofo...
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And I don't even get down like that.:smh:
 
:yes: Dana White can't get that belt off of Anderson Silva fast enough. In fact, I see the UFC cutting ties with Silva if he loses this fight and/or the next fight. In fact, Dana White hates him so much, the UFC was going to show the UFC in Abu Dhabi card minus the Anderson Silva fight. They're talking about finding a replacement fight for Silva.

Check the 4:00 mark. :hmm:


I really hate Chael Sonnen, I hope Anderson Silva puts him in a coma. Sonnen is all talk
 
That Lesnar vs. Carwin fight just reconfirmed something to me. I've seen Brock Lesnar in person, up close backstage during autographs, in his early WWE days. He's a big guy. But seeing him take a beating tonight and then act like that shit never happened and submitting Carwin...

If any random beef ever came up on the streets this is all I got for that mofo...
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And I don't even get down like that.:smh:

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im looking at carwin like, this dude just beat the shit out of brock lesner:eek:
and still lost.
i wouldnt fuck with either one of them cats:smh:
 
That Lesnar vs. Carwin fight just reconfirmed something to me. I've seen Brock Lesnar in person, up close backstage during autographs, in his early WWE days. He's a big guy. But seeing him take a beating tonight and then act like that shit never happened and submitting Carwin...

If any random beef ever came up on the streets this is all I got for that mofo...
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And I don't even get down like that.:smh:

On some real shit, I feel the same way. :lol: :lol:
 
Gotta see the fight still, but couldn't resist finding out the results...

As for the Fedor/Fabricio talk i was seeing earlier in this thread, Dana an asshole professional sport owner but i do side with him on this.


and Sonnen is barely above average fighter if even that, Silva should have no problems again. not impressed by his fights I've seen on WEC.​
 
uproar?

at one point brock wasnt even defending himself

the shit was suspect

but ufc is rigged as boxing

and brock caught his second wind and ate that ass up

we all learned that brock can be ko'd though

dude ran outta gas


How do we know that Brock can be KO'd when a guy that is 12-0 and has 7 knockouts in the first round in the HEAVYWEIGHT division busted him in the chops and he was still not unconscuious? And for you guys saying that if it wasn't Brock, they would have stopped it....Brock was banging on Mir WAY longer than that and those hits were more brutal, and it was for a longer time. They showed the fight on Spike before the prelims....stop hating and wait for the rematch.
 
Fedor got caught being overaggressive

that can happen to any fighter

but buckling on every fucking right hand is a damn problem

your hero will get ko'd soon

im sorry but that chin is really really weak


How can you call his chin weak when Carwin is probably the hardest puncher in the UFC? Come on man....and I'm a Carwin fan. I actually wanted Brock to lose. Give me a break. That Japanese fighter buckled Fedor and had him beat too....fight didn't get stopped...Fedor came back and won. Don't see you hating on him.
 
Just watched (hours later) great fight.


Since I knew what would happen by yalls responses I could tell when Carwin came in that second round winking that he didn't have much left. He damn near TOLD Lesnar "yup. That's all I got!"
 
Brock wasnt bleeding from glove and arm hits bruh

He has been exposed tonight, that chin is highly suspect

he buckled with every shot...but Carwin is powerful so that may not be a true indicator


hell Carwin got choked out though

aint shit you can say about that



:rolleyes: You think
 
Where to begin, where to begin? A night of EMOTION. If I told you I wasn't nervous as fuck, I'd be lying. Great fights leading up to the main event. I mean if you had to make a guy to beat Brock Lesnar, it'd be this nigga. Power puncher, every punch hurts you and he puts niggas to sleep. AND he's got the wrestling to keep it standing. I was a little worried about my money.

Carwin pops him and Lesnar shot and tripped him but Carwin got up. Then Carwin blats him a couple times and Brock retreats. Shit man, I tell you I was fucking pissed. LOL. Then Brock goes DOWN and Carwin's on top raining punches. Luckily the ref wasn't a bum like Mazagatti or Big Dan and saw that Brock was still defending himself enough to keep it going. Then I saw Carwin throwing slower and slower punches and Brock covering up and I immediately thought of Rope-a-Dope. This nigga Carwin done. Brock got up and I knew it. Brock's cardio wouldn't be a problem, bt Shane was gonna be gassed.

Came out and submitted his ass. SUBMISSION. And not a guillotine or a RNC, but a fucking Arm Triangle. I knew Couture went up there to work with Brock on using CSW to get subs, but I didn't imagine it. If you notice, Brock didn't try to punch him once while mounted.

Brock has a chin. He took Carwin's best shots and didn't go out. Carwin is the hardest puncher in MMA. Brock has heart. That was a Minotauro type beating. Brock has cardio. Brock has submissions.

For all you saying this is evidence that Fedor/Werdum/Cain/JDS can beat him, I say no. None of them have the wrestling/punching power combo Carwin has. This was your chance Lesnar haters. Brock is not unbeatable, but he'll end up retiring before he's beaten again. I told you when he signed with UFC, the nigga was gonna be the shit and could beat Fedor. Brock comes out and takes Fedor down without prejudice. Everyone takes Fedor down. Werdum would get smashed against the cage. JDS has a shot and maybe Cain too.

Damn. i called a choke but not by brock. shanes dumb ass should have went for a choke or better yet let brock stand up. if shane can go 3 more with injury he can get that belt. brock is never gonna have a great stand up game. dos santos gonna ko the shit out of him if he dont get wrestled to death

Carwin fucked up. He had the chance. I looked away for a second, that's how bad I thought it would be. Brock is still evolving. Every fight we learn something new about that nigga. His stand up game is gonna be on point for Cain.

uproar?

at one point brock wasnt even defending himself

the shit was suspect

but ufc is rigged as boxing

and brock caught his second wind and ate that ass up

we all learned that brock can be ko'd though

dude ran outta gas

Rigged? LMAO @ you niggas. UFC doesn't chose the refs or judges. And if it was "rigged", why would they let Brock get "beat up"?

No you DON'T have to knock him out to win. That's exactly Alex's point. Shane did more than enough to win by ref stoppage, had he been fighting a different fighter. Brock got the champ treatment tonight from Dana White, fam. It is what it is.

Yes, you're gonna have to KO Brock. He's not gonna be stopped by GnP. Shane didn't do "enough", Brock wasn't out and he was alert and defending himself. Dana White was not "in control" of that fight.

Real Talk.....in most other fights, the refs would have jumped in and stopped that fight. But it was the main event and Brock is the biggest draw in the company, he is going to get the benefit of the doubt. I personally don't believe that a fight should be stopped until someone taps or goes limp. You should just take shots until you are completely out otherwise keep fighting. In any event, major props to Brock. Dude regrouped and did what he does best, takedown and dominate. It didn't take long once Brock got him down, fight was over.

Lesnar was defending. Yeah I've seen fights get stopped for less but usually they are hitting the guy. Just like in Rampage/Rashad at the end, Rampage was hitting air and arms. Niggas try and cheat the system by just throwing a bunch of punches and wait for the ref to stop it.

Brock wasnt bleeding from glove and arm hits bruh

He has been exposed tonight, that chin is highly suspect

he buckled with every shot...but Carwin is powerful so that may not be a true indicator

hell Carwin got choked out though

aint shit you can say about that

Brock ate some big shots, especially an elbow. But when Carwin started throwing leather on the ground, Brock was defending himself.

What i'm saying is the UFC gives all their champions the benefit of the doubt. Yes, that does suck, but KO or Submission is the only way to become champion. You simply won't win by decision because the head honchos of the UFC and the judges won't give out the W. Just look at Lyoto Machida's first fight againt Shogun Rua. He beat the breaks off of Machida, but Machida got the "W".

Uh, Penn just lost his belt by decision, Most champions finish fights or are so dominate, it's an easy decision. Only exception, that proves the rule, is Machida.

wtf, did you not see the fight?

brock got hit with the right hand and basically dropped

Fedor hits harder and he isnt tiring

man, i hope this fight happens

this will be a nice come up financially

Fedor gets taken down (like ROGERS got him on the ground) and then pressed against the cage and Brock bludgeons him.
 
Rigged? LMAO @ you niggas. UFC doesn't chose the refs or judges. And if it was "rigged", why would they let Brock get "beat up"?

Logic seriously fails some of these dudes. :smh:

Group Meeting: Ok, after a lot of discussion on how this fight is going to go. We've decided Carwin's going to get you on the ground, and then beat the shit out of you for three minutes. Now we need it to look real, so none of that WWE punching. The ref isn't going to stop the fight and you're going to come back and choke out Carwin in the second.

Brock: Ok, I'm game

:hmm:
 
Logic seriously fails some of these dudes. :smh:

Group Meeting: Ok, after a lot of discussion on how this fight is going to go. We've decided Carwin's going to get you on the ground, and then beat the shit out of you for three minutes. Now we need it to look real, so none of that WWE punching. The ref isn't going to stop the fight and you're going to come back and choke out Carwin in the second.

Brock: Ok, I'm game

:hmm:

Right! Some of you are reaching. Just because yall got caught up in the Carwin hype machine doesn't mean you can't give Brock his props. Carwin is good but besides Mir & Gonzaga, name title contenders on the list of people he beat. A rematch wil be great but enough of the conspiracy theory. Yes Brock was in the WWE but what does that have to do with being alone in a cage with your opponent? With as much shit as the fans give him about being "fake" I love the asshole rants he goes on. Shane has never been in the second round before tonight and we see why. He needs to learn to control himself and not rely on power. You have 5 rounds in a championship fight. USE THEM!
 
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Some of you are reaching. Just because yall got caught up in the Carwin hype machine doesn't mean you can't give Brock his props. Carwin is good but besides Mir & Gonzaga, name title contenders on the list of people he beat. A rematch wil be great but enough of the conspiracy theory. Yes Brock was in the WWE but what does that have to do with being alone in a cage with your opponent? With as much shit as the fans give him about being "fake" I love the asshole rants he goes on. Shane has never been in the second round before tonight and we see why. He needs to learn to control himself and not rely on power. You have 5 rounds in a championship fight. USE THEM!
Carwin was basically like a UFC version of Mike Tyson is what you're saying...
 
Just like he was supposed to beat the guy into a pulp in the first place. :rolleyes:

You think he will make the same mistake and not protect his gaurd. That was more of a fluke armbar because of a short mental lapse. Wasnt like he caught a beatdown...he didnt even get hit with a fist the entire fight.

I dont have any MMA fighter that I am a fan of...so I really dont care.... but I would bet anything that if they fought again, Fedor would embarrass him... anyone could get caught slipping like that on an armbar... it happens... but flukes rarely happen twice...
 
He choked that nigga straight to the hospital. I thought he'd pop his head off.

Man the hate for Brock is strong in here. When I watched the fight over again the beating wasn't as bad as it looked. It was the shock of seeing Brock get handled like that. He took the shots and clearly was able to defend himself.

Suspect chin? That is like me hitting a cat with a nine iron, him falling down and then I say "your chin is suspect man!!!" :hmm: Muthafuckas have said they have never been hit as hard as Carwin hits.

Good luck finding somebody with that kind of power that can fight off a Lesnar takedown. Cats act like 265 lb cats like this falling off trees like crab apples. Shane and Lesnar are freaks.
 
That Lesnar vs. Carwin fight just reconfirmed something to me. I've seen Brock Lesnar in person, up close backstage during autographs, in his early WWE days. He's a big guy. But seeing him take a beating tonight and then act like that shit never happened and submitting Carwin...

If any random beef ever came up on the streets this is all I got for that mofo...
Beretta_92_FS.gif

And I don't even get down like that.:smh:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
 
fans are delusional

Ali never turned his head and allowed someone to punch him freely

that wasnt strategy, he was hurt

that was a 10-8 round in boxing terms

your Ali comparisons are way out there, dude

The covering up Ali was the post-prime Ali. His timing, legs and reflexes weren't were they used to be.
 
A lot of hype in here.

U can make a case for Carwin, Dos Santos or Velazquez being primed for a title shot, Carwin got the draw.

Carwin beat two guys who were somewhat on a roll: Gonzaga (Werdum stopped him 2x) and Mir (stopped numerous times by different opponents including Vera).

You guys act like Brock Lesnar has a history of MMA. NO. He hads a collegiate wrestling background which favors UFC fighters (PRIDE/Japan allows kicks/knees to the head).

And I would like to see a rematch of Fedor-Werdum, just like a lot of people wanted to see a rematch of Brock-Mir--remember?

If Fedor loses, he may be past his prime. For all you NEW fans, Fedor was beating a PRIME NOg 6 years ago. A PRIME CroCop 5 years ago--fighters the UFC recently marketed.

BTW, I hope Silva does to Sonnen what he did to Leben or D. Henderson. Dude talks hella smack.
 
ok.. just watched the fight between Carwin and Brock "Honey Badger" Lesnar. and I've come to the conclusion that high levels of hate can be found in a lot of ya'll blood. Brock Lesnar is a beast. a B E A S T. He took Carwins Best shots and shrugged that shit off. at NO time was he not defendin himself coherently... took that barrage and came out with the W. what is Salt?
 
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No hate on my end. Much respect to Lesnar for surviving the ground and pound AND come back with a win. Nothing can take awayfrom that. Question: If Carwin gets beaten by others, will you guys still respect the W?

But to act like he has a track record of Fedor, Nog, etc and awarding him ATG status is BOGUS. Nog did what Lesnar did for YEARS against much bigger opposition.

Everyone here reminds me of GSP, a great athlete who was a beast and evenged a loss to Hughes. Then his chin was tested by a stand up punch. Maybe I'm wrong (and I would love to find out) but I still see Fedor beating Brock. Fedor always gets taken down and ususally won though the method he used against a prime Nog (jiu-jitsu master) finally backfired.
 
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