Not until he gets another gold medal (without bean), 5 rings and two rapes (Kate Faber and Memphis for Gasol)
Sources. Amare to Cavs almost a done deal..
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Not until he gets another gold medal (without bean), 5 rings and two rapes (Kate Faber and Memphis for Gasol)
They are not getting nothing in return, you telling me there are no better deals out there for Phoenix?
What is the incentive for the Suns to cut Ilgauskas during the season?
Can you honestly see the Suns trying to run offense with Ilgauskas on the floor?
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It the same thing that David Aldridge and Lang Whitaker just said the reason why Cleveland might not want to do this.
Is one reason is the Shaq and Amare thing didn't work so well in Phx but that doesn't mean it won't work in Cleveland but just noting it.
Now it's time for short term gain and long term gain. Amare is a free agent option so the Cavs could just be renting his services for four months. As I said in the other thread it's no secret that Amare wants to get paid this summer. That explains why he would even consider the Nets.
So if he wins a ring he achieve that goal now time to secure himself financially (especially with the bargain agreement going on) this is his last time to cash in.
Cleveland is over the cap so they won't be able to afford him.
Shaq will retire soon or if they win a ring he might call it quits there and go off in the sunset.
Where does that leave Cleveland?
Best example is Boston they won a ring yea but that team is falling apart. It doesn't matter to the player because they are in their twilight years and can at least say I won a ring. Lebron on the other hand is young and will resign with the team and be stuck their.
Cleveland has been known to rush in their choices. The first summer they had cap space they went after Michael Redd and it didn't work out so instead of sit on the money like many said they went and got Larry Hughes and that didn't work.
Lebron himself has been basically begging the Cavs to get Antwan Jamison. He's cheaper not a long term contract and still spreads the floor and can play PF and SF.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4913305&campaign=rss&source=NBAHeadlines
I'm not saying it won't work but just weighing the short term gain against long term gain.
Nobody is saying Hickson is an all-star just yet or he is a beast compared to Amare, what I'm sayin is, what are you going to get out of Amare,and how will that mesh with the Cavs, no signature move, and no burst to the basket like he once had, and what are the Cavs thinking by doing this, short term, long term, cause you can't dispute the fact that he has slowed down since that knee injury...So, if given the choice right now, who would you pick up between Amare and Jamison?
Actually reexamining that trade Boston made off like a thief.
Seattle gets Delonte West, Wally Szczerbiak number 5 pick Jeff Green
Boston gets: Ray Allen and Glen Davis
Boston got more out of that deal. Delonte West became a problem in Seattle but he was a great scorer off the bench but he had problems coming off the bench and low playing time.
Jeff Green was good but Boston receive more.
Now Minn (now this could be that Minn front office are idiots.
Boston gets KG
Minn gets Al Jefferson, Ryan Gomes and Gerald Green, Sebastian Telfair and Theo Ratliff, and draft protect picks.
Now Green was a bust and is out of the league. Theo was old and is with the Spurs.
Now Al Jefferson the Timberwolves will actually look to trade him this summer. Saying he and Love can not play together and he is too injury prone.
WTF??? Okay why the hell did McHale draft Love????? Any way.
Ryan and Telfair have been good bench presences but it's not what they expected.
The draft picks are protected. We all seen how Minn fuck up in the 09 draft
People aren't arguing that they'd cut him for basketball reasons, though...
I'm not sure if it would make any difference as far as the cap is concerned if they keep him for the rest of the year or cut him immediately.
If there's no incentive cap-wise, they should keep him just to pacify the fans. As is, it's like they're a store owner who gets robbed and runs out after the robber as he makes his way to the getaway car yelling "You dropped your keys!!!"
"Oh, why thank you, sir."
"My pleasure... Now you drive carefully, you hear?"
Nobody is saying Hickson is an all-star just yet or he is a beast compared to Amare, what I'm sayin is, what are you going to get out of Amare,and how will that mesh with the Cavs, no signature move, and no burst to the basket like he once had, and what are the Cavs thinking by doing this, short term, long term, cause you can't dispute the fact that he has slowed down since that knee injury...So, if given the choice right now, who would you pick up between Amare and Jamison?
Exactly if I was in win mode right now hell yea this make sense.
But Lebron is young. This isn't Paul Pierce of KG where you need to win in a three year window. Lebron is in the East. The talent level isn't the same as the West.
Where you have to make a move just to stay on top (except the Spurs
)Remember what happen when Gasol was traded to the Lakers how many West teams made trades just to react to what the Lakers were doing?
Boston is falling apart. Orlando fuck up their team and chemistry. Cleveland can still be on top with or without Shaq. Yea Atlanta is creeping up but JJ has already rejected an extension from Atlanta and said this summer it isn't a lock he will return. (Chi town will be making a move for him or Wade. JJ is a jumpman too and said he always dream of playing as a Bull.)
Yea the Nets have Cap space but they will likely be the dumb team to over pay Rudy Gay and give Amare the max deal he wants.
I just looked at the Cavs salaries who the fuck gave Gibson that money????
If the Cavs get Amare they will have his bird rights and can sign him to whatever they want in the offseason though right?
My understanding is you can go over the cap to resign one of your own players that you have bird rights on
so basically they could resign Lebron and Amare to big deals..
Is that correct?
My understanding is you can go over the cap to resign one of your own players that you have bird rights on
so basically they could resign Lebron and Amare to big deals..
Is that correct?
Yep, that's correct.
I always said that Jamison would fit in better.
However, this is pretty much a Hickins for Amare trade. Amare makes them a better team no doubt. And really.. the Cavs arent thinking long term. They just need to win NOW so that they can secure Lebron. That is really the goal of any type of deal...securing Lebron long term.
I can think of a lot of players that would be a better fit. However, if you can get Amare and ultimately only lose Hickins, you have to make that deal in my opinion.
Actually reexamining that trade Boston made off like a thief.
Man...that wasnt shit but McHale helping out his beloved Boston Celtics. McHale is a Celtic first
well shit I dont see the problem
however if lebron wants jamison over amare then that is what the cavs need to do
Something I found it could work but at the same time that would be it for Cleveland if they re sign Amare to a max deal and Lebron they will not be signing anyone for a while.
So this could work. Cavs could be on top for the next 2 or 3 years. They have to hope no other team in the East stacks up like they would or Boston did.
All eyes are on Jersey and seeing what they are doing.
http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/?p=23837
Here is something I just found.
Shaq is the worst defensive center in the league and Amare is the worst defensive power forward. Not a good move for the Cavs who already have enough scoring on the floor.
Marc gasol >>> jj hickson. No hyperbole please
with that said, if this happens lebron is set in Cleveland- and they become favorites to win it in the east easy. However Amare is known to be temperamental, and I'm not sure how well he'll fit with shaq in Cleveland.
Man...that wasnt shit but McHale helping out his beloved Boston Celtics. McHale is a Celtic first
so we can't really get mad at Jerry West old team sending his former team a present.
Here you go Kobe.
Honestly though if this goes down imagine the look on Orlando and Boston faces.
These guys made moves just to get better. It didn't work and they are still behind Cleveland.
The Cavs give up basically a bench player for an all star.
I think we will see the same thing when Pau was traded and will see a lot teams re act. Hell this might make a couple free agents say fuck it.
JJ might say Atlanta ain't winning no time and go join the Bulls and get paid.
As for D Wade he and Pat having been playing chess all season to see who will flinch. This might get Pat off his ass and make a move before D Wade signs.
I think that's the better trade for them anyways. Jamison may be older but he's more diverse in what he brings than Amare. Jamison can play on the low block & can pull up for midrange at anytime. This would definitely spread the floor more for LBJ to maneuver & won't have to play one on five like he does now.
Cleveland could do a sign and trade with Amare if he wants to leave and get the most money since they will have his bird rights
We didnt know that Marc Gasol would be a good starting center in the NBA
He saved that trade
Lebron sees that too. He has been pushing for the Cavs to get Antwan since last season when they had the worst record.
Lebron knows what he wants and what will play to his strengths.
Plus his contract is short just two more years on it. So if doesn't work this season he won't be too hard to trade. Though I really doubt that plus unlike Amare Jamison plays defense and will rebound.
This is Kobe's worst nightmare-- A Finals where the easiest offensive option is getting the ball to Gasol. I'm sure he'd rather win with Gasol as Finals MVP than not win at all but it would seem likely to cause some cognitive dissonance.
But if they still fail to win a championship with this short-term thinking and LeBron is thinking long-term...
wow if that happen
The Lakers won three games without Kobe and we saw the press.
Now imagine they win a championship where Kobe wasn't the best player.
wow if that happen
The Lakers won three games without Kobe and we saw the press.
Now imagine they win a championship where Kobe wasn't the best player.
I don't know if he'd let it happen...
Though there is a huge difference between being the best player and the player facing the most favorable match-ups.
It would help console the Kobe-haters in their hour of despair, however.
I still don't get the fucking debate. 
Basically a straight up hickson for Amare trade and cats keeping say Amare is this, Amare can't do that, blah, blah blah.
The fucking point is he is better than Hickson and Z.................and we still get Z back. Why do cats on BGOL always want to debate if the fucking sun is going to come up?
They keep talking about his defense like hickson is fucking Dennis Rodman or Charles Oakley in a Cavs uniform. All the Amare bashing and cats are missing the point that this is a fucking upgrade. I don't care if it is going from a D to a C, it is still a fucking upgrade.
Hickson for Amare. Try that shit on a video game and see if the shit goes through.
Basically a straight up hickson for Amare trade and cats keeping say Amare is this, Amare can't do that, blah, blah blah.
The fucking point is he is better than Hickson and Z.................and we still get Z back. Why do cats on BGOL always want to debate if the fucking sun is going to come up?
They keep talking about his defense like hickson is fucking Dennis Rodman or Charles Oakley in a Cavs uniform. All the Amare bashing and cats are missing the point that this is a fucking upgrade. I don't care if it is going from a D to a C, it is still a fucking upgrade.
Hickson for Amare. Try that shit on a video game and see if the shit goes through.
Cant use hindsight. At the time of both deals Hickson is by far the better player and asset. Gasol was a zero.
Even now Gasol is a 25year old 2nd year starter giving you 15 and 10 while JJ is only 21 and giving you 8 and 5 in dam near half the minutes.
I still don't get the fucking debate.
Basically a straight up hickson for Amare trade and cats keeping say Amare is this, Amare can't do that, blah, blah blah.
The fucking point is he is better than Hickson and Z.................and we still get Z back. Why do cats on BGOL always want to debate if the fucking sun is going to come up?
They keep talking about his defense like hickson is fucking Dennis Rodman or Charles Oakley in a Cavs uniform. All the Amare bashing and cats are missing the point that this is a fucking upgrade. I don't care if it is going from a D to a C, it is still a fucking upgrade.
Hickson for Amare. Try that shit on a video game and see if the shit goes through.
it's looking at the whole thing. You are right it's an upgrade on Hickson so it's a no brainer but as Charles Barkley said.
Everyone in the league is making trades to compete with the Lakers. When the Lakers got Pau they set their self up for the next couple years to contend in the west. Their young, stack and talented.
Plus correct me if I'm wrong Kobe is the only max player on the team.
Now Cleveland Shaq is old so we know he won't be there too long. Amare wants a max deal no ifs or buts. He wants it so bad he will go play for the Nets.
Now if you are Cleveland do you sign Amare to a max deal? Many other owners said they weren't interested and that's why Amare consider pulling a Boozer. (who will be getting paid this summer.)
If you are the Cavs do you pay him max money?
best example of short term vs long term.
Boston vs the Lakers
Boston is falling apart and will be right back where they were before the big three in a 2 more seasons but they won a ring it was worth it for the vets.
Plus as D Town said Lebron wants Antwan so why no give your franchise player what he wants. The Wizards have said they would take Hickson and Z for Jamison for cap space relief.
that's all. it's looking at the short term vs long term. You have to examine that when you do anything major. buying a house, a car, picking a main chick or making a trade.
How bout them Knicks? The only reason they are relevant is because of talk Lebron might go there. After this offseason back to shit.
How is Hickson by far a better player than Gasol? I've only ever seen Hickson score when getting a pass from Lebron when doubled and getting a monster dunk or an alley-oop. Just because you can dunk hard doesn't make you a great player. Is he able to create his own shot or score with his back to the basket? Great dunker but thats all I've seen from him.
How bout them Knicks? The only reason they are relevant is because of talk Lebron might go there. After this offseason back to shit.
I agree but guess what? I ain't a Knick fan and haven't been since 94
Hey, shit aint dead yet. I think the Cavs will get somebody and anybody will be an upgrade.
Whoever the cavs get they have to see how they play, winning a ring this year can change a lot of minds as not winning one can change minds also. If Amare plays well with lebron why not sign him? Bosh isn't coming here. Who else can they get?
It would be nice to get Jamison for the next couple of years.
Hey, shit aint dead yet. I think the Cavs will get somebody and anybody will be an upgrade.
Whoever the cavs get they have to see how they play, winning a ring this year can change a lot of minds as not winning one can change minds also. If Amare plays well with lebron why not sign him? Bosh isn't coming here. Who else can they get?
It would be nice to get Jamison for the next couple of years.
That's what I'm saying I would rather Jamison instead of Amare examine it long term. You right winning a ring can change somethings.
Amare has me wondering though he was the first player who said he would go to the Nets. Everyone else is saying wait and see.
So why would he go to a 4-48 team? Money. You have a point Cleveland wins and see how winning a chip feels and a being a champion he might enjoy it enough to cut all that max talk out.
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