PacMan's Dirty Little Secret is about to leak!!
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I agree with you, we have no way of knowing what is or is not there regarding the emails. Because of that, I take this whole email thing with a grain of salt. There are a lot details missing from the email allegation. There is no reason why certain details would be kept private at this point if it were true.
Why won't someone come out and say "NAME sent NAME an email on DATE stating WHATEVER"? Why does the mentioning of this only come via hearsay, "a source told a friend of mine WHATEVER"?
Floyd's camp never makes the email allegation directly. If the email allegation is true, there is no way they could get in trouble for revealing it. I think it's bullshit and that's why Pac's team addressed the email thing directly in the lawsuit complaint. If you'll haven't read the complaint, you should. It is online.
Regarding your question about making the fight safe. It's simple. For any testing outside of what any commission already mandates, BOTH fighter simply have to be in agreement. If both fighters agree, fine. If both fighters don't agree for whatever reasons, they have to decide whether or not they are going to fight. That's it.
Ideally, there has to be a neutral party that will make the decision for the fighters. It's kind of ridiculous to have the fighters do it because in the end, we're talking about two guys that want to beat the shit out of each other. How concerned about health are they? Furthermore, most successful fighters have so much self confidence (justifiable or not) that they really don't give a fuck what the other guy is doing.
Also, the whole health concern thing with PED's and boxing is something most people don't believe in so I doubt there will be a big movement for new testing universally. It could be because the guys that we know used PED's didn't have superhuman performances and we know it doesn't make their resistance to punches better because most of them have been knocked out multiple times.
You know, that's true. Why even continue talking about this? No one is really changing their mind about anything and the fight is off. I'm more interested in seeing how Pacquiao handles a full fledged physically strong welterweight like Clottey. I am also interested in seeing who Mayweather will fight. If Mayweather wasn't stupid with his money, he could have stayed retired. I think it's the worst thing to have to make a comeback when it's not done out of love for the sport. That's why we probably won't see Mayweather in a competitive fight unless his back is just completely to the wall.
About the email, this thing is going to litigation. Floyd's lawyers have told him to keep quiet. This is why you are hearing nothing on this from him or his father. They do not want him to be discussing evidence that will come up in court room in public.
As for the PED question, I asked you a simple question: tell me a mechanism by which we can ensure that fighters do not come in dirty. I specifically told you to disregard the will of the fighters and or the commission. We just want to ensure what mechanism we can use, given the state of technology today, to ensure that fights are clean. What would you Zeferino say we should do to clean up boxing?
Oh. Well, as far as a mechanism. Someone like Victor Conte should probably be hired to design such a mechanism.
We are talking about it because we can. Floyd will move on and fight whoever he fights. We fans will discuss what we want to discuss. We are within our rights to debate whether Pacquiao's behaviour gives us reason question whether he is juicing or not.
Do you think that Victor Conte knows more about detecting doping than USADA does? The USADA watches Victor Conte and others like him. They use cutting edge technology to detecte PEDs. They have the means, they have the knowledge, as this is the only thing they do. Do you think that they can do a better job ofkeeping boxing clean than anyone out there, or do you know of any one who can do a better job than they do?
The fight isn't off until one or both sign to fight someone else. Clottey hasn't actually agreed to fight Pacquiao yet. He may but as of right now, he hasn't. Pacquiao and Arum have publicly stated a preference to fight Malignaggi, Yuri Foreman,and now Joshua Clottey. It's even come out that they were interested in a third fight with Marquez until he wanted Pac to be blood tested.
But ultimately, it's a dicussion board and if you're tired of talking about it, don't click on the title.
I do not know Conte personally nor do I know anyone in the USADA personally. I do know that a Conte design was able to evade the USADA for quite some time. If Conte wanted to, he probably could design something else for evasion purposes. Maybe someone from the USADA jerks off to BGOL and will be enlightened by the many views in this thread. That may be the remedy for boxing that you're looking for.
Co-sign. This shit is common in boxing.
Although its starting to look bleak, I still believe the fight can/will happen.
If not we (the fans) should boycott both of these idiots next fights because in the end we lose out more than they do.
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Mayweather vs Mosley on May 1 in Las Vegas?
By Mark Vester
While Manny Pacquiao has moved on and plans to defend his WBO welterweight title against Joshua Clottey on March 13 in Dallas, Texas, Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been left without a solid option for his next fight. Mayweather is still scheduled to return on March 13 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas but there appears to be a chance that Mayweather might push his return to May 1 and fight Shane Mosley for the WBC/WBA welterweight titles - if Mosley gets past Andre Berto on January 30. May 1 is a date that Golden Boy Promotions has been targeting for the return of Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand.
Mayweather is taking a chance here sitting on the bench. If he sits back until January 30 to see who wins that fight, any shot of a Mayweather return on March 13 is out the window. If Berto wins, it's not likely that manager Al Haymon will allow two of his boxers to fight each other. Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer told the Los Angeles Times that Mayweather is ready and willing to fight Mosley.
"At 147 pounds, the man to beat is 'Sugar' Shane Mosley," Schaefer said. "Floyd will take that fight, and will shut up all those who are saying he's a coward."
This fight looks dead.
Mayweather vs Mosley on May 1 in Las Vegas?
By Mark Vester
While Manny Pacquiao has moved on and plans to defend his WBO welterweight title against Joshua Clottey on March 13 in Dallas, Texas, Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been left without a solid option for his next fight. Mayweather is still scheduled to return on March 13 at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas but there appears to be a chance that Mayweather might push his return to May 1 and fight Shane Mosley for the WBC/WBA welterweight titles - if Mosley gets past Andre Berto on January 30. May 1 is a date that Golden Boy Promotions has been targeting for the return of Juan Manuel Marquez at the MGM Grand.
Mayweather is taking a chance here sitting on the bench. If he sits back until January 30 to see who wins that fight, any shot of a Mayweather return on March 13 is out the window. If Berto wins, it's not likely that manager Al Haymon will allow two of his boxers to fight each other. Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer told the Los Angeles Times that Mayweather is ready and willing to fight Mosley.
"At 147 pounds, the man to beat is 'Sugar' Shane Mosley," Schaefer said. "Floyd will take that fight, and will shut up all those who are saying he's a coward."
This fight looks dead.
That puts pressure on Mosley to win. If he loses, he's out and Floyd's left without a big name opponent worth 59.99. If Berto wins, I hope he wins in magnificent fashion and then talks big shit so Haymon has no choice but to match him up with Floyd Mayweather.
Floyd wants Mosely but regardless he would settle for Berto.
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His behavior?
The only thing he's done is put a price tag on his pride and it's MORE THAN a potential $40MM. You see, niggas who haven't worked hard, sacrificed or achieved anything substantial in life would have HARD TIME understanding why someone would NOT give it to these pussyish demands. Add to the fact that anyone with more than an ounce of intelligence (which a lot of Floyd fans don't possess) knows that Floyd needs Pac right now more than Pac needs Floyd. Between the two of them, ONLY ONE fighter will fight Clottey, Mosely, Berto, Williams, etc and it ISN'T Floyd. Meanwhile Floyd will have to SELL, yes SELL is fans on the idea that he's gangsta and bad when he fights the NEXT ooompa-loompa fighter and misses weight to look impressive.
Floyd and Berto both have Al Haymon as a manager so if Berto wins I can see Floyd fighting Tim Bradley who is also undefeated
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His behavior?
That's the most incredibly stupid post ever posted in a boxing thread and that's an achievement with buk around.
If he hasn't worked any harder than Floyd Mayweather, who's been a top fighter much longer than Manny Pacquiao. When Manny came onto the national scene by being Barrera, Floyd Mayweather was already a star and on the verge of superstardom.
The "Floyd needs Pac more than Pac needs Floyd" lie just goes against intelligence. Pac's next opponent may be Josh Clottey while Floyd will most likely fight the winner of the Berto-Mosley fight. Which one will have the most viewers?
If Manny had any desire to fight anyone on that list you gave, he could have fought them instead of Cotto but he didn't. His trainer felt Cotto was weakened and that the catchweight would weaken him further (he said this publicly more than once). Shane Mosley hadn't fought since beating Margarito in January and was willing to come down to 140 but Pac wanted no parts of him. How is that not ducking him? If you can say Floyd ducked him (which has been disproved) you have to say Manny ducked him.
Neither Manny nor Floyd is going to fight Paul Williams. Bringing him up exposes the lack of thinking that goes on with some of you cats when it comes to Floyd Mayweather. Williams is a jr. middle and will be spending this year fighting Sergio Martinez and Kelly Pavlik.
I'll ask it again, for the umpteenth time and wait for someone to intelligently and honestly answer, if the roles were reversed, would you still be saying the same things?
Bradley better get himself a high profile fight if he wants in. Floyd didn't come back to fight on HBO. Tim's great but he has no crossover and a win over him would mean nothing outside hardcore circles.
Pacquiao May Target Mosley-Berto Winner, Says Roach
Trainer Freddie Roach has had enough with the demands of Floyd Mayweather Jr. He is already preparing the strategy for Manny Pacquiao's next opponent, former welterweight champion Joshua Clottey. Pacquiao will defend his WBO welterweight title against Clottey on March 13 in Texas. If Pacquuao gets past Clottey, Roach would like to target the winner of the upcoming welterweight unification between WBC champion Andre Berto and WBA champion Shane Mosley on January 30.
"If you concede to whatever Mayweather wants, that's giving him an edge," Roach told the Los Angeles Times. "We're bigger than Mayweather. We don't need him. We don't work for him. So, the way I feel now, we'll go fight Clottey, then we'll fight the winner of Mosley and Berto."
The winner could be tough to get either way. Berto is managed by Al Haymon, who is also the business manager for Mayweather. He would likely request random Olympic style drug tests unless Berto says otherwise. The same type of demands that killed the negotiations for a Mayeather-Pacquiao fight. Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer has already put on the record that Mosley would likely demand the same type of Olympic style random drug tests if a Pacquiao fight came about.
Roach is not looking past Clottey. He sees him as a very tough opponent.
"It'll be a tough fight, not an easy fight, but better than some of the other names that were being thrown around," Roach said.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=24593
Trainer Freddie Roach has had enough with the demands of Floyd Mayweather Jr. He is already preparing the strategy for Manny Pacquiao's next opponent, former welterweight champion Joshua Clottey. Pacquiao will defend his WBO welterweight title against Clottey on March 13 in Texas. If Pacquuao gets past Clottey, Roach would like to target the winner of the upcoming welterweight unification between WBC champion Andre Berto and WBA champion Shane Mosley on January 30.
"If you concede to whatever Mayweather wants, that's giving him an edge," Roach told the Los Angeles Times. "We're bigger than Mayweather. We don't need him. We don't work for him. So, the way I feel now, we'll go fight Clottey, then we'll fight the winner of Mosley and Berto."
The winner could be tough to get either way. Berto is managed by Al Haymon, who is also the business manager for Mayweather. He would likely request random Olympic style drug tests unless Berto says otherwise. The same type of demands that killed the negotiations for a Mayeather-Pacquiao fight. Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer has already put on the record that Mosley would likely demand the same type of Olympic style random drug tests if a Pacquiao fight came about.
Roach is not looking past Clottey. He sees him as a very tough opponent.
"It'll be a tough fight, not an easy fight, but better than some of the other names that were being thrown around," Roach said.
http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&opt=printable&id=24593
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I was sitting in the Wild Card Boxing Club the other day, waiting to interview various fighters and watching some solid sparring with a friend of mine named James, talking all things boxing in general and Mayweather/Pacquiao in particular when James said something that hadn’t occurred to me.
“Floyd’s scared,” he said. “Sr. sat in the corner, ringside, and watched Manny destroy his fighter in two rounds. He heard that punch up close and he knew his son was in for a rough night. Floyd can’t handle that kind of pressure.”
Now on TV and even from my seat on press row, that punch had serious impact. But it’s a whole different game up close near the ring apron. That punch must’ve been brutally loud as it cracked Hatton’s chin and put him on “I can’t feel my brain” street. It was only after that fight, one where Floyd Sr. wrote a check with his mouth that he was nowhere near able to cash, that Floyd Sr. began saying Pacquiao must be on the juice.
“Sr is being a dad,” James said. “He’s protecting his son.”
Makes some sense if you think about it.
I remember playing Monopoly with my brothers as a very young boy, around six or so, and saying “You must be cheating because I’m losing.” In a way, Floyd is saying that Manny must be cheating because only he is the best fighter in the world. Only he can be the face of boxing. “The President of boxing.” But it says here that “No, Floyd. You’re just a very good fighter with a long track record of avoiding tough fights in favor of ones you can win.” Floyd played a game of chicken with Manny by going public with the blood testing clause in the contract. It was a cheap attempt to make a man bend to his will or suffer the consequences in the court of public opinion. Now, instead of making 40 million, he may lose some money in a real court of law.
So who is to blame?
Floyd Mayweather’s advisor, Leonard Ellerbe, claims all Floyd wants is a level playing field and thus has called for random blood testing throughout training camp leading up to this fight. Which begs the question: why now? Was the Juan Manuel Marquez on a level playing field? Marquez was older, fighting 12 pounds above his last fight’s weight class; a class where he showed all the signs of aging and ring wear, was slower and not known to be a one punch KO artist but more of a pinpoint counter puncher who would wear you down over the course of fight. Was it a level playing field against a fighter who had moved up to 154 pounds and beaten a top five junior middle named Oscar De La Hoya? Why wasn’t this need for random blood testing implemented then? Maybe because the matchmaking favored Floyd so much that Marquez could have been drinking Barry Bonds’ steroid era urine samples instead of his own fresh urine and it wouldn’t have made a difference? Was it a level playing field when Floyd had Ricky Hatton, a fighter who admitted before and after the fight that he was not very good as a 147 pound fighter, move to welterweight? You be the judge.
The point being: since when did Floyd care about a level playing field? Since when did he become a boxing reformer or even care about boxing as anything more than a hustle to make money in? Has he been giving the fans every or any fight they have wanted in the last five years? No he hasn’t.
Floyd had so much clout in the sport as it’s number one fighter after the Oscar and Hatton fights, he could have made a much greater statement and shown he was legit by doing two things before his brief retirement.
Announce he was leaving the sport until certain changes were made. One being this need for random blood testing.
As the head of Mayweather Promotions, he could have announced that his entire roster would set a new standard for the sport by utilizing a new level of blood testing never before seen at the pro level to prove all MP fighters fight clean.
But he didn’t do that. He cried and he whined about how hard the sport that gave him millions for fights the fans didn’t want was. He told us how great he is and how no one respected him and that it was over. As always, it was all about him and not really about boxing.
Until now. Until the biggest fight the sport had seen in possibly decades. The best fighter vs. the best boxer. Both in their primes with common opponents and everyone agreeing one of them was the best in the world. Why? Why make the statement now?
Is he scared? Maybe. Is he jealous of the fact that Manny and he have common opponents, who he beat first (except Marquez) and yet Manny looked better doing it and seemingly got much more love from the fansin the process? Possibly.
Me? I think Floyd played chicken and lost. He tried to put Manny in a position he could not get out of: agree to the test or look like a cheater. In the process of underestimating Pacquiao, he put himself in a worse position: If Floyd backed off his demands completely, he would lose face in front of the whole world and really, lose the first great battle between the fighters. Floyd drew a line in the sand he couldn’t erase.
To me this all illustrates the big difference between Manny and Floyd. Floyd comes from a rough city but has been treated like a special athlete his whole life. He was raised to be this. Manny grew up on the hard streets of the Philippines. He had to become this to survive. Two very different backgrounds and mindsets. Manny just might be a kind of tough that Floyd has never encountered. This first battle has shown that Manny can’t be intimidated nor dictated to. You can argue that Manny must be guilty because he won’t get blood tested per Floyd’s demands. I say Manny won’t be dictated to by Floyd or anyone else.
I have no idea if Manny Pacquiao is a dirty fighter. There is no evidence to suggest he is at this moment; just the spark of accusations from Floyd Sr, some insinuations by Team Mayweather and Manny’s unwillingness to kowtow to a Floyd, Jr.
That’s not enough for me to convict him of anything.
As for walking away from 40 million dollars, you have to understand that from the moment they began talking about a fight together, Manny and Floyd began fighting. Each side wants leverage one way or the other. These are two great fighters with great fighter egos. No one is looking to back down. Floyd threw a low blow here and some fans and media ran with it. I think Manny is showing incredible strength of character. Sure, he could be hiding something. Rafael Palmeiro looked into the cameras and said he had never taken steroids and everyone believed him until he came up dirty. But right now, Manny is innocent until proven guilty.
What will be interesting going forward is how the commissions across the country react. A Pacquiao fight brings huge money to the local economies. Will they risk losing a fight with him in it by upgrading their outdated testing procedures? No question they need to catch up to the ever changing world of performance enhancing drugs. This could be a watershed moment in boxing.
Right now, I am not wondering about Manny so much. But say the commissions adopt a random blood testing system and Manny says screw it and retires, then speculation will be justified. Right now, it just reads like jealous grapes and bad negotiating from Floyd.
Back to the 40 mil, Manny can afford to walk away from the payday. He’ll make his 10-14 mil elsewhere for sure. Floyd is the one who needs this cash. 40 million will go a long way to easing his financial bleeding. A rematch would be even better for him. As it stands, without Pacquiao, he is going to have to fight someone tough to get that kind of cash. He’s run out of soft touches. It’s why even though the fight is off the table as far as Team Pacquiao, Ellerbe says "We’re still hopeful we can make a deal. We’re not talking about anyone but Manny Pacquiao." Manny Pacquaio” which is a big turnaround from Floyd’s pre-Marquez stances of “He’s a good little fighter” and “People forget Manny Pacquiao has three losses and has been knocked out before” or even better “I don’t chase fighters. Fighters chase me. I says what goes in boxing.” Apparently not.
Floyd needs that 40 mil. Manny doesn’t. Simple as that. Bluff called. Fight over.
I was sitting in the Wild Card Boxing Club the other day, waiting to interview various fighters and watching some solid sparring with a friend of mine named James, talking all things boxing in general and Mayweather/Pacquiao in particular when James said something that hadn’t occurred to me.
“Floyd’s scared,” he said. “Sr. sat in the corner, ringside, and watched Manny destroy his fighter in two rounds. He heard that punch up close and he knew his son was in for a rough night. Floyd can’t handle that kind of pressure.”
Now on TV and even from my seat on press row, that punch had serious impact. But it’s a whole different game up close near the ring apron. That punch must’ve been brutally loud as it cracked Hatton’s chin and put him on “I can’t feel my brain” street. It was only after that fight, one where Floyd Sr. wrote a check with his mouth that he was nowhere near able to cash, that Floyd Sr. began saying Pacquiao must be on the juice.
“Sr is being a dad,” James said. “He’s protecting his son.”
Makes some sense if you think about it.
I remember playing Monopoly with my brothers as a very young boy, around six or so, and saying “You must be cheating because I’m losing.” In a way, Floyd is saying that Manny must be cheating because only he is the best fighter in the world. Only he can be the face of boxing. “The President of boxing.” But it says here that “No, Floyd. You’re just a very good fighter with a long track record of avoiding tough fights in favor of ones you can win.” Floyd played a game of chicken with Manny by going public with the blood testing clause in the contract. It was a cheap attempt to make a man bend to his will or suffer the consequences in the court of public opinion. Now, instead of making 40 million, he may lose some money in a real court of law.
So who is to blame?
Floyd Mayweather’s advisor, Leonard Ellerbe, claims all Floyd wants is a level playing field and thus has called for random blood testing throughout training camp leading up to this fight. Which begs the question: why now? Was the Juan Manuel Marquez on a level playing field? Marquez was older, fighting 12 pounds above his last fight’s weight class; a class where he showed all the signs of aging and ring wear, was slower and not known to be a one punch KO artist but more of a pinpoint counter puncher who would wear you down over the course of fight. Was it a level playing field against a fighter who had moved up to 154 pounds and beaten a top five junior middle named Oscar De La Hoya? Why wasn’t this need for random blood testing implemented then? Maybe because the matchmaking favored Floyd so much that Marquez could have been drinking Barry Bonds’ steroid era urine samples instead of his own fresh urine and it wouldn’t have made a difference? Was it a level playing field when Floyd had Ricky Hatton, a fighter who admitted before and after the fight that he was not very good as a 147 pound fighter, move to welterweight? You be the judge.
The point being: since when did Floyd care about a level playing field? Since when did he become a boxing reformer or even care about boxing as anything more than a hustle to make money in? Has he been giving the fans every or any fight they have wanted in the last five years? No he hasn’t.
Floyd had so much clout in the sport as it’s number one fighter after the Oscar and Hatton fights, he could have made a much greater statement and shown he was legit by doing two things before his brief retirement.
Announce he was leaving the sport until certain changes were made. One being this need for random blood testing.
As the head of Mayweather Promotions, he could have announced that his entire roster would set a new standard for the sport by utilizing a new level of blood testing never before seen at the pro level to prove all MP fighters fight clean.
But he didn’t do that. He cried and he whined about how hard the sport that gave him millions for fights the fans didn’t want was. He told us how great he is and how no one respected him and that it was over. As always, it was all about him and not really about boxing.
Until now. Until the biggest fight the sport had seen in possibly decades. The best fighter vs. the best boxer. Both in their primes with common opponents and everyone agreeing one of them was the best in the world. Why? Why make the statement now?
Is he scared? Maybe. Is he jealous of the fact that Manny and he have common opponents, who he beat first (except Marquez) and yet Manny looked better doing it and seemingly got much more love from the fansin the process? Possibly.
Me? I think Floyd played chicken and lost. He tried to put Manny in a position he could not get out of: agree to the test or look like a cheater. In the process of underestimating Pacquiao, he put himself in a worse position: If Floyd backed off his demands completely, he would lose face in front of the whole world and really, lose the first great battle between the fighters. Floyd drew a line in the sand he couldn’t erase.
To me this all illustrates the big difference between Manny and Floyd. Floyd comes from a rough city but has been treated like a special athlete his whole life. He was raised to be this. Manny grew up on the hard streets of the Philippines. He had to become this to survive. Two very different backgrounds and mindsets. Manny just might be a kind of tough that Floyd has never encountered. This first battle has shown that Manny can’t be intimidated nor dictated to. You can argue that Manny must be guilty because he won’t get blood tested per Floyd’s demands. I say Manny won’t be dictated to by Floyd or anyone else.
I have no idea if Manny Pacquiao is a dirty fighter. There is no evidence to suggest he is at this moment; just the spark of accusations from Floyd Sr, some insinuations by Team Mayweather and Manny’s unwillingness to kowtow to a Floyd, Jr.
That’s not enough for me to convict him of anything.
As for walking away from 40 million dollars, you have to understand that from the moment they began talking about a fight together, Manny and Floyd began fighting. Each side wants leverage one way or the other. These are two great fighters with great fighter egos. No one is looking to back down. Floyd threw a low blow here and some fans and media ran with it. I think Manny is showing incredible strength of character. Sure, he could be hiding something. Rafael Palmeiro looked into the cameras and said he had never taken steroids and everyone believed him until he came up dirty. But right now, Manny is innocent until proven guilty.
What will be interesting going forward is how the commissions across the country react. A Pacquiao fight brings huge money to the local economies. Will they risk losing a fight with him in it by upgrading their outdated testing procedures? No question they need to catch up to the ever changing world of performance enhancing drugs. This could be a watershed moment in boxing.
Right now, I am not wondering about Manny so much. But say the commissions adopt a random blood testing system and Manny says screw it and retires, then speculation will be justified. Right now, it just reads like jealous grapes and bad negotiating from Floyd.
Back to the 40 mil, Manny can afford to walk away from the payday. He’ll make his 10-14 mil elsewhere for sure. Floyd is the one who needs this cash. 40 million will go a long way to easing his financial bleeding. A rematch would be even better for him. As it stands, without Pacquiao, he is going to have to fight someone tough to get that kind of cash. He’s run out of soft touches. It’s why even though the fight is off the table as far as Team Pacquiao, Ellerbe says "We’re still hopeful we can make a deal. We’re not talking about anyone but Manny Pacquiao." Manny Pacquaio” which is a big turnaround from Floyd’s pre-Marquez stances of “He’s a good little fighter” and “People forget Manny Pacquiao has three losses and has been knocked out before” or even better “I don’t chase fighters. Fighters chase me. I says what goes in boxing.” Apparently not.
Floyd needs that 40 mil. Manny doesn’t. Simple as that. Bluff called. Fight over.
Why not ask to get the winner first? Now that Schaefer's made shown interest in a Mayweather-Berto/Mosley fight, he wants in. Assuming he gets past Clottey, that would mean Berto/Mosley would have to wait until almost the fall before fighting again. Why wouldn't the winner fight Floyd in May? Roach is so full of shit on this. His man got nearly every concession he asked for but to give Mayweather "whatever he wants" is out of the question. Forget the fact that he didn't give Mayweather whatever he wanted. The more he talks, the more I believe he knows Manny's dirty.
I think roach is dirty as hell.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt since I know he doesn't stay with Manny and they only get together to train but now his statements are just crazy. He's been on the defensive from the beginning and not doing it well.
"At 147 pounds, the man to beat is 'Sugar' Shane Mosley," Schaefer said. "Floyd will take that fight, and will shut up all those who are saying he's a coward."
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If this is TRULY a quote by Schaefer than this should officially shut the Floyd fans the fuck up. If he's saying it than despite all the nigga-effort to discredit Pac's accomplishments, the REAL message that is sticking in the boxing community is Floyd is AFRAID to fight legitimate contenders. THIS is what happens when you DON'T fight a quality opponent and start talking shit while all the other welterweights slug it out in big fights. He's going to be shit out of luck after the Shane/Berto fight as well. Why would someone who holds (2) Championship belts fight Floyd's no-belt having ass when they can have a unification fight wit Pac? Had the nigga had a little more heart and confidence in HIS ABILITIES (considering all the P4P shit he talks) he would have signed on the dotted line. He and his camp chose to make shit and start rumors.
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If this is TRULY a quote by Schaefer than this should officially shut the Floyd fans the fuck up. If he's saying it than despite all the nigga-effort to discredit Pac's accomplishments, the REAL message that is sticking in the boxing community is Floyd is AFRAID to fight legitimate contenders. THIS is what happens when you DON'T fight a quality opponent and start talking shit while all the other welterweights slug it out in big fights. He's going to be shit out of luck after the Shane/Berto fight as well. Why would someone who holds (2) Championship belts fight Floyd's no-belt having ass when they can have a unification fight wit Pac? Had the nigga had a little more heart and confidence in HIS ABILITIES (considering all the P4P shit he talks) he would have signed on the dotted line. He and his camp chose to make shit and start rumors.
GTFOH
He's juicing and we know it. Its sad to see that much hate and spin just because of this mans black skin. Floyd has no reason to fear Pac.
Why wouldn't the winner fight Floyd in May? Roach is so full of shit on this. His man got nearly every concession he asked for but to give Mayweather "whatever he wants" is out of the question. Forget the fact that he didn't give Mayweather whatever he wanted. The more he talks, the more I believe he knows Manny's dirty.[/QUOTE]
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Because Floyd hasn't EARNED a welterweight payday since Oscar and his whole Manny is cheating bitchassedness has backfired on his ass. Nigga-logic rarely translates into to dollars. Never has. Never will. But BACK to your question...The REASON why Shane or Berto WOULDN'T fight Mayweather's ass is because THEY would have (2) belts and Manny would have (1). A unification title fight would make THEM more money fighting Pac because the LONGER, I repeat, LONGER Mayweather sits back and REFUSES to fight a LEGITIMATE welterweight he exposes himself as a coward. Which is WHY Schaefer USED THE WORD COWARD. He has put HIS OWN legacy into question by challenging a warrior OUTSIDE of the ring intead of IN THE ring.
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Because Floyd hasn't EARNED a welterweight payday since Oscar and his whole Manny is cheating bitchassedness has backfired on his ass. Nigga-logic rarely translates into to dollars. Never has. Never will. But BACK to your question...The REASON why Shane or Berto WOULDN'T fight Mayweather's ass is because THEY would have (2) belts and Manny would have (1). A unification title fight would make THEM more money fighting Pac because the LONGER, I repeat, LONGER Mayweather sits back and REFUSES to fight a LEGITIMATE welterweight he exposes himself as a coward. Which is WHY Schaefer USED THE WORD COWARD. He has put HIS OWN legacy into question by challenging a warrior OUTSIDE of the ring intead of IN THE ring.
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Bruh you don't KNOW shit. All you have is unsubstantiated bullshit from Floyd Sr. who is still pissed off that he marketed HIS skills as the Pac-beater only to have his fighter get FUCKIN' CRUSHED. Floyd IS SCARED of Pac because IF HE WASN'T afraid he would have JUMPED at the chance to make that money. You Floyd fans are funny as all hell.
"At 147 pounds, the man to beat is 'Sugar' Shane Mosley," Schaefer said. "Floyd will take that fight, and will shut up all those who are saying he's a coward."
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If this is TRULY a quote by Schaefer than this should officially shut the Floyd fans the fuck up. If he's saying it than despite all the nigga-effort to discredit Pac's accomplishments, the REAL message that is sticking in the boxing community is Floyd is AFRAID to fight legitimate contenders. THIS is what happens when you DON'T fight a quality opponent and start talking shit while all the other welterweights slug it out in big fights. He's going to be shit out of luck after the Shane/Berto fight as well. Why would someone who holds (2) Championship belts fight Floyd's no-belt having ass when they can have a unification fight wit Pac? Had the nigga had a little more heart and confidence in HIS ABILITIES (considering all the P4P shit he talks) he would have signed on the dotted line. He and his camp chose to make shit and start rumors.
No one has ever said Shane Mosley wasn't the top welterweight in the world. But he is not the biggest moneymaker in boxing and isn't the biggest name in boxing.
Unifying the WBC and WBA titles is worthy but no one cares about the WBO title except the guy who has it. Most of the titles are meaningless but some mean less than others.
Berto/Mosley would fight Mayweather because he is the guy who guarantees the most money that's available. Pac seems to want to fight Clottey in March, leaving him unavailable to fight in May, the month Floyd would want if the Pacquiao fight can't be salvaged.
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Because Floyd hasn't EARNED a welterweight payday since Oscar and his whole Manny is cheating bitchassedness has backfired on his ass. Nigga-logic rarely translates into to dollars. Never has. Never will. But BACK to your question...The REASON why Shane or Berto WOULDN'T fight Mayweather's ass is because THEY would have (2) belts and Manny would have (1). A unification title fight would make THEM more money fighting Pac because the LONGER, I repeat, LONGER Mayweather sits back and REFUSES to fight a LEGITIMATE welterweight he exposes himself as a coward. Which is WHY Schaefer USED THE WORD COWARD. He has put HIS OWN legacy into question by challenging a warrior OUTSIDE of the ring intead of IN THE ring.[/QUOTE]
Had he earned a payday when Shane walked in the ring after the Marquez fight and challenged him? Who has he refused to fight exactly? Not who hasn't he fought that you would want him to but who has he refused to fight?
The issue of unification is meaningless in 2010 because there are so many titles. Berto and Shane aren't fighting to unify their respective titles, they're fighting because Shane couldn't get in the Floyd-Manny sweepstakes and needed a high profile fight to stay relevent.
He did jump at the opportunity, it's Manny who's walking away, looking for other guys to fight.
If buk comes back into this thread, I owe him an apology. I thought and told him he was the least knowledgeable, most ignorant person to post in boxing threads. I was wrong. Lower9, you just say stupid, nonsensical shit that has no rhyme or reason or connection to reality. Talking to you makes me miss talking to guys like merce77, guys who, even when we disagree, show they know and respect boxing.
For my own mental health, I'm going to leave you alone. Keep posting bullshit if you want. But I'm sure your mom or somebody will need the computer and the grownups can have the forum to ourselves.
Re: The Big Payback!
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fuck both these bitch niggus
Seriosuly? PBF agreed to all of Pac's terms and he is the bad guy for asking for one lowsy drug test? I see where you'r coming from though, Flloyd is such a asshole, how dare he, and to make it worst pbf agreed to take the test also. I'm telling you niggalogic will never get him anyware
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