I don't have any evidence at all but I never made any acusations either. All I said was the story makes no sense. I also find it VERY interesting that absolutely nobody has printed this story. This is a pretty significant story IF it's true but for some reason it cant be found anywhere as far as I know. Even ESPN, who aired Atlas mentioning the story from his source, hasn't reported it on their site. Given the amount of dog shit news that ESPN has on their site that nobody on earth cares about I find it interesting that they haven't given this story even 1 line. That to me tells me that they don't think much of it.
PacMan's Dirty Little Secret is about to leak!!
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Co-sign, your going to fight a risky fight with Clottey for what, at the most 10 million, and risk ever getting close to 40 million again, for principle?
Co-sign.
That slander suit is bullshit. Most of what I've heard from the Mayweather's and the others Pac is suing has been opinion, and they've said it in that way (except maybe Floyd Sr.). You can't win a liable suit against someone stating an opinion or belief.
This is the article Teddy Atlas cited. Tim Smith went in! 
Floyd Mayweather's request for Manny Pacquiao to be drug tested is matter of boxing ethics
To prove muscles are legitimate, Manny Pacquiao must agree to random drug testing before fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Source Link HERE
Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao haven't even signed a contract to fight yet, but Pacquiao is already losing.
Mayweather's request that Pacquiao submit to random drug testing conducted by the United States Anti-Doping Agency before he signs a contract for the fight has put Pacquiao on his heels and put the proposed March 13 bout in jeopardy.
If Pacquiao doesn't agree to the stipulation, then it looks like he's trying to cheat. Pacquiao has never tested positive for any banned substance, but the atmosphere in sports these days is that every athlete is under suspicion of cheating until proven otherwise.
Mayweather-Pacquiao has reignited the passion of the mainstream sports fans for boxing. If Pacquiao wants to keep the flames of that passion hot, he will submit to the Olympic-style testing and go forward with the fight.
If he doesn't, then everyone will assume he is dirty and his accomplishments of the last two years - knocking out Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto - will be clouded by suspicion, and boxing will have suffered yet another blow below the belt.
This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.
Those are disturbing requests. It could just be due diligence on the part of the attorneys negotiating the contract or it could be that Pacquiao has something to hide. The only way to clear up the matter is to agree to the testing. Mayweather has agreed to undergo the same procedures, putting more pressure on Pacquiao.
All of Pacquiao's initial arguments against taking the test are specious at best. He's afraid of needles. (How did he get all those tatoos?) He doesn't want to be weakened by having his blood taken so close to the fight. (What happens when he gets cut in a fight?)
Bob Arum of Top Rank, Pacquiao's promoter, said the Filipino fighter doesn't mind taking urine tests, but he doesn't want to submit to the schedule of blood testing as outlined by the USADA. Arum said Pacquiao wants to do three tests - one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one 30 days from the fight, no later than Feb. 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Pacquiao's locker room.
Arum's schedule has a loophole big enough for a cheating elephant to step through. It seems Pacquiao has trouble with the term "random," which is the linchpin of any reputable drug testing program. And the argument that he would be weakened if he were to take a blood test the week of the fight doesn't hold water.
"The amount of blood taken is so small it will have zero effect on performance," said Dr. Gary Wadler, the World Anti-Doping Agency chairman of the Prohibited List Committee. "It's really inconsequential when you take into account the total blood volume in the human body. It's not a valid argument."
Pacquiao has fallen under suspicion because of his meteoric rise from featherweight to welterweight in the last two years. In 2008, he won fights at 130, 135 and 142 pounds - an incredible feat in modern boxing. And he has seemingly gotten more powerful as he has risen in weight.
Andre Ward, the WBA 168-pound champion, won a gold medal for the U.S. boxing team at the 2004 Athens Games. He was subjected to testing by the USADA, but he said it never drew blood while he was competing. Ward sides with Mayweather, but can understand Pacquiao's concern over the random testing. He said it's inconvenient, but worthwhile if it keeps you above suspicion. Ward said if there were $40 million at stake, it wouldn't even be a question for him.
"I think he needs to do it so that no one is scratching their head and wondering about him," Ward said. "He needs to clear up any doubt. I agree with Mayweather and his camp. They're doing the right thing. They should take all the precautions to make sure that everything is done right. It's good for the sport."
tsmith@nydailynews.com
Floyd Mayweather's request for Manny Pacquiao to be drug tested is matter of boxing ethics
To prove muscles are legitimate, Manny Pacquiao must agree to random drug testing before fighting Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Source Link HERE
Floyd Mayweather Jr. and Manny Pacquiao haven't even signed a contract to fight yet, but Pacquiao is already losing.
Mayweather's request that Pacquiao submit to random drug testing conducted by the United States Anti-Doping Agency before he signs a contract for the fight has put Pacquiao on his heels and put the proposed March 13 bout in jeopardy.
If Pacquiao doesn't agree to the stipulation, then it looks like he's trying to cheat. Pacquiao has never tested positive for any banned substance, but the atmosphere in sports these days is that every athlete is under suspicion of cheating until proven otherwise.
Mayweather-Pacquiao has reignited the passion of the mainstream sports fans for boxing. If Pacquiao wants to keep the flames of that passion hot, he will submit to the Olympic-style testing and go forward with the fight.
If he doesn't, then everyone will assume he is dirty and his accomplishments of the last two years - knocking out Oscar De La Hoya, Ricky Hatton and Miguel Cotto - will be clouded by suspicion, and boxing will have suffered yet another blow below the belt.
This isn't some issue that just came about. It has been a part of the contract negotiations for weeks. According to a source familiar with the talks, Pacquiao's representatives asked what penalties Pacquiao would face if he tested dirty, and also if a dirty test result could be kept secret so that the integrity of the fight wouldn't be ruined in the public eye.
Those are disturbing requests. It could just be due diligence on the part of the attorneys negotiating the contract or it could be that Pacquiao has something to hide. The only way to clear up the matter is to agree to the testing. Mayweather has agreed to undergo the same procedures, putting more pressure on Pacquiao.
All of Pacquiao's initial arguments against taking the test are specious at best. He's afraid of needles. (How did he get all those tatoos?) He doesn't want to be weakened by having his blood taken so close to the fight. (What happens when he gets cut in a fight?)
Bob Arum of Top Rank, Pacquiao's promoter, said the Filipino fighter doesn't mind taking urine tests, but he doesn't want to submit to the schedule of blood testing as outlined by the USADA. Arum said Pacquiao wants to do three tests - one given in January during the week the fight is formally announced, one 30 days from the fight, no later than Feb. 13, and the final one immediately following the fight, in Pacquiao's locker room.
Arum's schedule has a loophole big enough for a cheating elephant to step through. It seems Pacquiao has trouble with the term "random," which is the linchpin of any reputable drug testing program. And the argument that he would be weakened if he were to take a blood test the week of the fight doesn't hold water.
"The amount of blood taken is so small it will have zero effect on performance," said Dr. Gary Wadler, the World Anti-Doping Agency chairman of the Prohibited List Committee. "It's really inconsequential when you take into account the total blood volume in the human body. It's not a valid argument."
Pacquiao has fallen under suspicion because of his meteoric rise from featherweight to welterweight in the last two years. In 2008, he won fights at 130, 135 and 142 pounds - an incredible feat in modern boxing. And he has seemingly gotten more powerful as he has risen in weight.
Andre Ward, the WBA 168-pound champion, won a gold medal for the U.S. boxing team at the 2004 Athens Games. He was subjected to testing by the USADA, but he said it never drew blood while he was competing. Ward sides with Mayweather, but can understand Pacquiao's concern over the random testing. He said it's inconvenient, but worthwhile if it keeps you above suspicion. Ward said if there were $40 million at stake, it wouldn't even be a question for him.
"I think he needs to do it so that no one is scratching their head and wondering about him," Ward said. "He needs to clear up any doubt. I agree with Mayweather and his camp. They're doing the right thing. They should take all the precautions to make sure that everything is done right. It's good for the sport."
tsmith@nydailynews.com
It's pretty easy to go to the library, create a dummy acct, and send an email. It takes about 5 min. I have no idea if the email is real or not, but let's just say the email was sent and it's true. Then the solution is VERY easy. send the email to ESPN, the NY Times, Washington Post, etc... end of story. But if I had to guess, that will never happen. and this "email" thing will continue to be pure speculation and will never hear any more about it.
That's WTF I'M saying! How the fuck could Pac be concerned that drawing a tea spoon of blood no later than 2 weeks before the fight would 'weaken' him, when you consider how much blood he routinely loses DURING his fights... and still wins. Hew wasn't too 'weakened' by all the bleeding he did in the Cotto fight to perform (i.e. pound out Cotto). So WTF?
Explain, that please?This shit stinks to high Heaven, fellas. Damn, Pac.
The negotiations are supposed to be confidential. It's one thing to 'leak' something. It's something totally different to put private negotiations on blast directly.
wtf..these cats think this is a bgol Ock or something... they would be in all types of legal trouble if they actually put documented private emails in the press at this point.
I don't think thats true.
I think leaking emails is more of an ethical thing vs. a legal thing. I think parties negotiate in good faith in this sport and to violate that would sort of make the Mayweather camp look bad in future negotiations with other fighters, as they may be worried about private negotiations being made public.
I doubt there could be any legal ramifications for leaking it. Private emails, letters, and even phone calls are released all the time with no consequences. I think the only way they could go after them legally would be if there was an actual agreement between them not to leak any of that type of information or communications.
If this fight really doesn't get made I would fully expect those emails to be released.
documented private emails? Hello! McFly! There's no such thing as a documented private email. In order for it to be documented it can't be private. you guys are complete fuckin idiots. LMAO!
It's not either ethical or legal, it's both.
I won't even act like I know the law, but I think it could be either one of these things, but I would bet the source is one of the people being sued and they don't anymore evidence used against them as far as hurting Pac's potential monetary prospects.
How could it be legal though. Unless they have a verbal or written agreement not to discuss or release private emails/conversations then its not illegal to talk about or show them to someone.
It would be illegal to leak emails obtained through illegal means (breaking in someone's account, intercepting emails, etc.) but if someone sends you an email there is no special protection for that document. Unless I'm missing something.
I don't know the law either but I do know that if they exist and Pac is suing them knowing they have those emails he, and his representatives, would have to be the dumbest muthatphuckas on earth. He would have emailed them the evidence to destroy his case, and if releasing emails is in fact illegal, he would have given them the go ahead to make them public because if it comes out in court then it will come out in public.
^^^^^ Exactly. You obviously are a lot smarter than the rest of these dumb bastards on here. This place has been taken over by grade school drop outs
I think the suit will eventually go away. If you notice Floyd's team has not flinch on the testing since the suit has been filed.
I don't don't know the legal shit and I don't have all the evidence, but all this info seems odd.
Man the facts still are this:
-Manny said he wouldnt agree to anything under 30 days.
-24/7 showed what was supposedly 10 days before..
-Official records show it was 24 days before( ISNT 24 less than 30?)
-Freddie Roach came out and said Manny doesnt feel good for only 3 days following a blood test
Those are facts. Documented, publicized, unopposed facts. The only facts we have. With those in hand how can you honestly not infer or not be inclined to believe Manny has something to hide? I honestly think he's on something thats not banned yet. Like McGwire was on Andro.
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-Manny said he wouldnt agree to anything under 30 days.
-24/7 showed what was supposedly 10 days before..
-Official records show it was 24 days before( ISNT 24 less than 30?)
-Freddie Roach came out and said Manny doesnt feel good for only 3 days following a blood test
Those are facts. Documented, publicized, unopposed facts. The only facts we have. With those in hand how can you honestly not infer or not be inclined to believe Manny has something to hide? I honestly think he's on something thats not banned yet. Like McGwire was on Andro.
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Your forgot that they initially agreed to testing with no stipulations when negotiations first started, not even the 30 day shit. They didn't add that until all the other terms were agreed to. I think they believed that since the Mayweather's had already agreed to everything else they would just give in on the testing as opposed to risk the fight being cancelled.
I agree except I think he's on something that has in fact been banned already. Thats the only reason that they would be worried.
Teddy Atlas says the emails (not email) are there, before you go dismissing anything, lets wait and see. You have no way of knowing what is or is not there.
I asked you a very simple question. What suggestion do you have for ensuring that to the best of the available technology, this fight is clean. Forget the commission, forget the Mayweather, forget Pacquiao. What do you Zeferino suggest as a measure to ensure that both fighters come into the ring free of hgh.
Please answer this one question.
That would really entail going to each commission in each state since Las Vegas wasn't the guaranteed site early in the negotiations. Plus boxing is a sport of independent contractors, so instead of going to a large august body, the fighters chop these things up between themselves and their promotions. So it's very much up to individual fighters whether they agree to such testing.
Schaefer is doing some double talking but he now says if Shane were asked now, he would submit to such testing.
No, the smartest thing to do is require a more stringent test before you fight the guy, especially a guy who running for public office this spring and might not be available to fight after that.
The first one is a legitimate reason not to fight someone. Manny Pacquiao approaches his fights the exact same way. There are a number of guys who he could have fought but didn't and the only reason is because he fought a bigger name, bigger money fighter.
But he's the third man publicly seeking out Pacquiao that Pacquiao has chosen not to fight (Joan Guzman, Shane Mosley).
Now I remember when this first started and Floyd said he was waiting to hear Manny say he actually wanted to fight him.
Who? The only person saying that is Matthew Hatton.
They'll come up with a reason.
I just think that BGOL has some Filipinos up here, at least I hope that's the case
This is the only truth a person needs to know about this whole debacle. If you do not know this, everything about this fight will confuse you.
I just wanted add this. People are saying they don't believe that Pac's would send email like that cause it is stupid, but I gotta ask why would someone who being sued for slander... lie about an email like that? I might be wrong, but that just as dumb imo.
I know I'll be called a Floyd lover and all that, but at this point with all the twist and turns... I want to put my money on the side who has been some what consistent.
I know I'll be called a Floyd lover and all that, but at this point with all the twist and turns... I want to put my money on the side who has been some what consistent.
I think the emails exist, and I think Pac and his handlers are stupid as shit.
I just wanted to make that clear in case my earlier statements didn't make that clear.
I was implying that they were dumb for 1) emailing them, and then after emailing them 2) suing for slander when you've emailed such inquiries knowing they'll eventually become public record.
At the end of the day, you have someone turning down $40 million because they don't want to take random drug tests. You put your ego aside for something like that. Especially when you're going to be able to fight the guy at the end of the day and take it out on him.
If Floyd final offer is 14 days, take the 14 day offer. If Floyd changes it, then he is the bitch and the proof will be there for all to see.
If Pac doesn't want $40 million, I know Bob Arum does. I don't know what's going on, but I know something ain't right.
If Floyd final offer is 14 days, take the 14 day offer. If Floyd changes it, then he is the bitch and the proof will be there for all to see.
If Pac doesn't want $40 million, I know Bob Arum does. I don't know what's going on, but I know something ain't right.
I'm sorry my friend, those are not facts. They agreed to 24 days before. Mayweather's camp wanted testing up 14 days before. That's were the stand still was
http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=4806180 (8th paragraph from the bottom)
So unfortunately your first 3 points are null and void. As for the last one, I dont know what Roach came out and said but given you didn't know what the fuck you were talking about with regard to the 30 day shit I'll assume such is the case here.
Manny is in a difficult situation now. He either runs away from this fight with a blemish on his entire career or submit to the random drug test which will limit if not completely stop his ability to juice (if he is). Manny and his folks are playing Checkers in the land of Chess...I can't believe they allowed themselves to get backed into such a corner.
That article you posted made his point
From the article:
"Pacquiao (50-3-2, 38 KOs) didn't want blood testing but later relented and agreed to three blood tests: one during the week of the kickoff news conference, which would have taken place next week, one random test to be conducted no later than 30 days before the fight and a final test in his dressing room after the fight. Mayweather (40-0, 25 KOs) would be subject to the same testing procedures."
Then after it came out in that youtube video that he had taken tests within thirty days, in fact 24 days, they relented and (from the same article):
"The mediation was largely about coming up with a suitable time frame in which to cut off the testing before the fight. Pacquiao moved off his hard-line stance of no testing inside 30 days from the fight by agreeing to 24 days during mediation.
"We agreed to move the drug testing to 24 days under the supervision of the Nevada commission and Mayweather still wouldn't budge," Michael Koncz, Pacquiao's adviser, told ESPN.com from the Philippines on Wednesday night after the fight was declared dead."
They never offered 24 days until it was exposed that he had taken tests within the 30 day period that Pac's team said was all they would offer.
Mayweather wanted random testing which could have potentially opened them up to testing days before the fight, which is what Pac said he was afraid of. Mayweather relented and offered the 14 day test, and a guarantee for no tests after that but Pac still wouldn't agree.
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Yawn... In the original negotiation, he wouldnt budge off 30 days, that IS fact. So what are you talking about?
24/7 DID show and said it was like 10 days before the fight(didnt the show come on so how the fuck is this NOT fact?)
The OFFICIAL record of the damn blood draw showed it was actually 24 days before the fight...Is that not fact? ISNT 24 LESS than the 30 Days he originally said he would NOT agree to? -FACT
Didnt Friday Night Fights come on with Roach on it? I dont know if you have cable or not but clear as day he said Manny "isnt 100% for a bout 3 days after a blood draw"....That is fact.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gV7-yUSVGho @2:15 mark....
You bringing up some shit from Pacs camp AFTER the negotiations. Get your shit right.
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In the original negotiations? Dude, thats the point of negotiations. You each give something and hopefully shit gets done. Orginally, Floyd wanted random all the way up to the day of the fight. So who cares what was originally asked for. they sat down and each side made some concessions. Unfortunately, they couldn't come to an agreement.
I don't give a shit about either fighter. So I'm not taking a side here like most people. I think the business of boxing is filled with sneaky piece of shit type of people. I think those people exist in both of these camps. I'm sure there a plenty of lies and plenty of bullshit being put out there by both sides. They'll prob each have to make a few more concessions and then it will happen. People keep saying Pacman is walking away from 40 million. Please... Neither fighter is walking away from shit. It's just a delay. At the end of the day they will fight. Floyd obviously doesnt want to fight any of the other fighters that people would like him to fight for whatever reason. and nobody including myself has any interest in seeing Pacman fight this guy in March or any other fighter other than Floyd.
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How many times can you say you've seen the modern Africa with the high rise buildings and beautiful scenery?
On television.
These mothafuckas are see through.
dominant heavies catch the blues in america
Ali-Tyson-Ike ibeabuchi- Jack Johnson
its a display of power for them.....mind games.
why are you still talking about a fight that got dropped? lol, pbf fans still crying. let it go.