I'm sorry to say it but, kobe is better than jordan!!

[LordSinister]

To say Kobe is the best player of the last decade "hands down" is silly. Can there be an argument for him? Absolutely. But hands down? C'mon son! The facts don't back up your assertion.

Some of the games best players don't have rings because of one man, MICHAEL JORDAN. He owned an entire decade. The only reason Hakeem and Clyde have rings is because this man took time off to play baseball for his father. He OWNED an entire decade. Let's have a look shall we:

Year Championship Team Finals MVP
1990-91 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1991-92 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1992-93 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1993-94* Houston Rockets Hakeem Olajuwon
1994-95* Houston Rockets Hakeem Olajuwon
1995-96 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1996-97 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1997-98 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1998-99* San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
1999-00* L.A. Lakers Shaquille O'Neal

* = Michael Jordan retired

Can Kobe say he owned a decade? Fuck no! Would you like to take a look at the '00 decade?


2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers Shaquille O'Neal
2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers Shaquille O'Neal
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
2003-04 Detroit Pistons Chauncey Billups
2004-05 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
2005-06 Miami Heat Dwyane Wade
2006-07 San Antonio Spurs Tony Parker
2007-08 Boston Celtics Paul Pierce
2008-09 Los Angeles Lakers Kobe Bryant

Tim Duncan fans can make an argument for him as the best player of last decade. He has just as many rings as Kobe, and more NBA Finals MVPs. Perhaps people should be comparing Kobe to Tim Duncan. As Eeewwwlll has stated, you cannot compare Kobe to Jordan qualitatively or quantitatively.

I await rebuttals. And folks please leave it free of emotional stan behavior and stick to the facts, stats, and undisputable numbers.

I will say this. Kobe has performed at an all world level through the 00's.

Kobe got his 4 rings during that period, going to the finals 6 times and the conference final an additional time.

During Jordans time, there were no standout perennial teams.

The Spurs have been good for 12 years
The Pistons went to the Championship/conference finals what 6 times in a row?

I mean, not to shit on Mike, but who did he beat? Ewing?

Reggie Miller?

C'mon cuzz, nobody was winning shit until Magic and bird got old/aids.

As a matter of fact, an old ass Laker team with an aids infected Magic beat Clyde and them to go to the ship.

Jordan never played against 2 dominant players on the other side. The only time he came close was against Stockton-malone and they never won shit. Hell, they only made the finals twice. Hell, they were the only team Jordan faced twice in the finals.

Kobe is not as good as Jordan, just like I will say if Jordan was in his prime against the 80's Celtics, Lakers he would be the one coming up empty.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

To say Kobe is the best player of the last decade "hands down" is silly. Can there be an argument for him? Absolutely. But hands down? C'mon son! The facts don't back up your assertion.

Some of the games best players don't have rings because of one man, MICHAEL JORDAN. He owned an entire decade. The only reason Hakeem and Clyde have rings is because this man took time off to play baseball for his father. He OWNED an entire decade. Let's have a look shall we:

Year Championship Team Finals MVP
1990-91 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1991-92 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1992-93 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1993-94* Houston Rockets Hakeem Olajuwon
1994-95* Houston Rockets Hakeem Olajuwon
1995-96 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1996-97 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1997-98 Chicago Bulls Michael Jordan
1998-99* San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
1999-00* L.A. Lakers Shaquille O'Neal

* = Michael Jordan retired

Can Kobe say he owned a decade? Fuck no! Would you like to take a look at the '00 decade?


2000-01 Los Angeles Lakers Shaquille O'Neal
2001-02 Los Angeles Lakers Shaquille O'Neal
2002-03 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
2003-04 Detroit Pistons Chauncey Billups
2004-05 San Antonio Spurs Tim Duncan
2005-06 Miami Heat Dwyane Wade
2006-07 San Antonio Spurs Tony Parker
2007-08 Boston Celtics Paul Pierce
2008-09 Los Angeles Lakers Kobe Bryant

Tim Duncan fans can make an argument for him as the best player of last decade. He has just as many rings as Kobe, and more NBA Finals MVPs. Perhaps people should be comparing Kobe to Tim Duncan. As Eeewwwlll has stated, you cannot compare Kobe to Jordan qualitatively or quantitatively.

I await rebuttals. And folks please leave it free of emotional stan behavior and stick to the facts, stats, and undisputable numbers.

ninjas letting the fact that they own a Kobe jersey get in the way of rational thinking.

you reiterated a point i made earlier about Jordan. if he didn't retire 2x, The Dream and Clyde Drexler would be like Ewing, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Miller, and others – ringless because of Mike. if Krause and Reinsdorf didn't fuck it up, no one was going to stop the Bulls. NO ONE.

unlike Kobe, Jordan never got beat in The Finals. or had his team swept in the playoffs… or lost a game 7 or didn't score in the second half of a playoff game…

and Duncan is the best player of the last decade. hands down. to win as many rings as he has in the manner he has is a testament to how great he is. will go down as one of the top 10 players EVER and certainly as the best PF EVER.

 

[TimRock]

or had his team swept in the playoffs

u sure?

 

[TheFuser]

I will say this. Kobe has performed at an all world level through the 00's.

Kobe got his 4 rings during that period, going to the finals 6 times and the conference final an additional time.

During Jordans time, there were no standout perennial teams.

The Spurs have been good for 12 years
The Pistons went to the Championship/conference finals what 6 times in a row?

I mean, not to shit on Mike, but who did he beat? Ewing?

Reggie Miller?

C'mon cuzz, nobody was winning shit until Magic and bird got old/aids.

As a matter of fact, an old ass Laker team with an aids infected Magic beat Clyde and them to go to the ship.

Jordan never played against 2 dominant players on the other side. The only time he came close was against Stockton-malone and they never won shit. Hell, they only made the finals twice. Hell, they were the only team Jordan faced twice in the finals.

Kobe is not as good as Jordan, just like I will say if Jordan was in his prime against the 80's Celtics, Lakers he would be the one coming up empty.

1990 - Bulls beat Lakers with Magic, AC Green, Elden Campbell, James Worthy. Call them what you want but Magic averaged 12.5 assists per game.
This team had two 50 year anniversary Top 50 players.

1991 - Bulls beat the Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter, Jerome Kersey, Cliff Robinson Portland Trailblazers. Try as you might to downplay that team, but ANYONE who actually watched the NBA back then will tell you they were far from slouches. Clyde = Top 50 of all Time (50 Year anniversary team)

1992 - Bulls beat the Phoenix Suns who featured Top 50 Charles Barkley, Dan Majerle, Tom Chambers, Kevin Johnson among others. Again, a team far from slouches as they finished the season 62-20.

1995 - Bulls beat the Seattle Supersonics who featured Gary Payton & Shawn Kemp

1996 & 1997 - Bulls beat the Utah Jazz featuring TWO Top 50 players of all time in John Stockton and Karl Malone.

Let's not play this game family. He beat QUALITY players and quality TEAMS. Some of the best to ever play the game. They have no rings because of this man. Can Kobe say this?

 

[MonkeyBizness]

u sure?

my bad. 86-87 they got swept by Boston. that was Jordan's 3rd year in the league.

year before they got swept by Boston as well, but that was the year Jordan broke his foot. shit don't count.

 

[TheFuser]

Need more proof? NO OTHER Guard won NBA MVP during the 90s. There were no better guards during ANY SEASON than MJ in the 90s.

1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal Los Angeles Lakers
1998-99 Karl Malone Utah
1997-98 Michael Jordan Chicago
1996-97 Karl Malone Utah
1995-96 Michael Jordan Chicago
1994-95 David Robinson San Antonio
1993-94 Hakeem Olajuwon Houston
1992-93 Charles Barkley Phoenix
1991-92 Michael Jordan Chicago
1990-91 Michael Jordan Chicago

AGAIN, something Kobe can't say.

Steve Nash (2004-05, 2005-06) has TWO MVPs during the past decade. Allen Iverson (00-01) has 1 as well as Lebron James (last year).

 

[theoriginalgreatone]

Foolish Talk!

 

[Blaq]

you reiterated a point i made earlier about Jordan. if he didn't retire 2x, The Dream and Clyde Drexler would be like Ewing, Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Miller, and others – ringless because of Mike. if Krause and Reinsdorf didn't fuck it up, no one was going to stop the Bulls. NO ONE.

Some people, primarily Jordan "haters" or Houston fans will tell you that Houston still would've won those 2 championships had not Jordan retired. I can respect that because Hakeem was a beast. I doubt it though. You simply weren't going to beat Jordan during that span of those championship years 4 games out of 7.

Their primary argument is that Houston used to give the Bulls problems in their regular season match ups. The same can be said for Utah, Portland and Seattle. They used to face those teams twice a year. On their western conference road trip during November, they were happy to have won 3 or 4 games out of six or seven. It was always a difficult road trip.

Jordan only went to game sevens twice during that run, and none in the Finals. There are many instances that I can refer to where he simply would not let the Bulls lose. The standouts though are two Utah games where they should've lost, and as a Bulls fan, I thought they would. The game where he had 38 points playing with the flu and the '98 game where in 41 seconds he stole the win from Utah. Had that been any other team, Utah would have won those games. Those wins were miraculous, especially because Utah was so fundamentally sound.

Looking back, people try to discount the win over Seattle, but many picked them to lose that series. The Bulls went into that series far from fresh, and we still see what the results were. The Bulls could have easily lost to Seattle, or Utah in '98 after coming off that difficult series with Indiana. Jordan wasn't gonna make it all the way to the Finals and not win it all. Being 6-0 in the Finals is indicative of that.

 

[TheFuser]

Some people, primarily Jordan "haters" or Houston fans will tell you that Houston still would've won those 2 championships had not Jordan retired. I can respect that because Hakeem was a beast. I doubt it though. You simply weren't going to beat Jordan during that span of those championship years 4 games out of 7.

Their primary argument is that Houston used to give the Bulls problems in their regular season match ups. The same can be said for Utah, Portland and Seattle. They used to face those teams twice a year. On their western conference road trip during November, they were happy to have won 3 or 4 games out of six or seven. It was always a difficult road trip.

Jordan only went to game sevens twice during that run, and none in the Finals. There are many instances that I can refer to where he simply would not let the Bulls lose. The standouts though are two Utah games where they should've lost, and as a Bulls fan, I thought they would. The game where he had 38 points playing with the flu and the '98 game where in 41 seconds he stole the win from Utah. Had that been any other team, Utah would have won those games. Those wins were miraculous, especially because Utah was so fundamentally sound.

Looking back, people try to discount the win over Seattle, but many picked them to lose that series. The Bulls went into that series far from fresh, and we still see what the results were. The Bulls could have easily lost to Seattle, or Utah in '98 after coming off that difficult series with Indiana. Jordan wasn't gonna make it all the way to the Finals and not win it all. Being 6-0 in the Finals is indicative of that.

Exactly. He was a different type of player. He refused to lose. You just weren't going to beat him. Those of us who actually saw him play understand this (I was then, and still am a Sixers fan **hangs head** so I have no bias). He was just on another level.

 

[Blaq]

1990 - Bulls beat Lakers with Magic, AC Green, Elden Campbell, James Worthy. Call them what you want but Magic averaged 12.5 assists per game.
This team had two 50 year anniversary Top 50 players.

1991 - Bulls beat the Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter, Jerome Kersey, Cliff Robinson Portland Trailblazers. Try as you might to downplay that team, but ANYONE who actually watched the NBA back then will tell you they were far from slouches. Clyde = Top 50 of all Time (50 Year anniversary team)

1992 - Bulls beat the Phoenix Suns who featured Top 50 Charles Barkley, Dan Majerle, Tom Chambers, Kevin Johnson among others. Again, a team far from slouches as they finished the season 62-20.

1995 - Bulls beat the Seattle Supersonics who featured Gary Payton & Shawn Kemp

1996 & 1997 - Bulls beat the Utah Jazz featuring TWO Top 50 players of all time in John Stockton and Karl Malone.

Let's not play this game family. He beat QUALITY players and quality TEAMS. Some of the best to ever play the game. They have no rings because of this man. Can Kobe say this?

FJP, will be in here to point out that Magic was at the end of his career. I have seen Eewwll make the best argument regarding that and LA's record at the time. Keep in mind that this is the same team that advanced past that strong Portland team. Everyone felt that Portland team should've come out the west that year, and figured they would the next year, which they did.

Although, I feel that L.A. team was the Bulls' weakest Finals opponent, i'd still like to see those who argue that Magic was at the end of his career sum up where Jordan was in '98 having come off of three consecutive Finals victories.

 

[Blaq]

Exactly. He was a different type of player. He refused to lose. You just weren't going to beat him. Those of us who actually saw him play understand this (I was then, and still am a Sixers fan **hangs head** so I have no bias). He was just on another level.

True. Even the greats will point this out. He was just on another level.

 

[LordSinister]

1990 - Bulls beat Lakers with Magic, AC Green, Elden Campbell, James Worthy. Call them what you want but Magic averaged 12.5 assists per game.
This team had two 50 year anniversary Top 50 players.

1991 - Bulls beat the Clyde Drexler, Terry Porter, Jerome Kersey, Cliff Robinson Portland Trailblazers. Try as you might to downplay that team, but ANYONE who actually watched the NBA back then will tell you they were far from slouches. Clyde = Top 50 of all Time (50 Year anniversary team)

1992 - Bulls beat the Phoenix Suns who featured Top 50 Charles Barkley, Dan Majerle, Tom Chambers, Kevin Johnson among others. Again, a team far from slouches as they finished the season 62-20.

1995 - Bulls beat the Seattle Supersonics who featured Gary Payton & Shawn Kemp

1996 & 1997 - Bulls beat the Utah Jazz featuring TWO Top 50 players of all time in John Stockton and Karl Malone.

Let's not play this game family. He beat QUALITY players and quality TEAMS. Some of the best to ever play the game. They have no rings because of this man. Can Kobe say this?

They were quality teams, but they never made any serious runs. That's like mentioning the Dallas team or the Nets that made the finals as "quality" teams. Fuck, at least the nets and J-Kidd made it back to back. none of those teams ever did except the Rockets, and if they hadn't picked up Clyde they never would have.

 

[Blaq]

They were quality teams, but they never made any serious runs. That's like mentioning the Dallas team or the Nets that made the finals as "quality" teams. Fuck, at least the nets and J-Kidd made it back to back. none of those teams ever did except the Rockets, and if they hadn't picked up Clyde they never would have.

For the most part tho they were all light years ahead of the teams that Kobe beat in the Finals.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

They were quality teams, but they never made any serious runs. That's like mentioning the Dallas team or the Nets that made the finals as "quality" teams. Fuck, at least the nets and J-Kidd made it back to back. none of those teams ever did except the Rockets, and if they hadn't picked up Clyde they never would have.

You're silly..

 

[KingTaharqa]

I cant imagine being a Kobe Bryant fanatic knowing that he's reached his ceiling. Its gotta be tough knowing no matter what he does from here on out, no matter how many last second shots he hits to beat NBA doormats or how many titles he wins, he'll never be considered as good or better than MJ. The best he can hope for is being #2. Unfortunately when you copy & mimic something or someone and build your whole career off of biting shit they did you seldom are going to be seen as being better than the original. Kobe has proven he's better than his biological father was, but he'll never be as good as his real dad (who fathered his entire style) on the basketball court.

 

[LordSinister]

For the most part tho they were all light years ahead of the teams that Kobe beat in the Finals.

Maybe, but not the teams Kobe had to get by. there was the portland team with Pippen, Wallace, Grant, etc. Then there were the Spurs with Duncan, and the Kings with peja, CW, Vlade, Turkey Lube and Bibby.

What I am saying is that Kobe went through some really high quality teams to win his rings.

Anyway, fuck y'all.

Russell> Magic/Bird > Wilt > Jordan > then the rest. And before you cry foul,they changed the rules to stop Wilt, and changed them to help Mike.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

for the Kobe stans, you do realize that the league right now is incredibly watered down. i know there was expansion during the Jordan Era, but there wasn't such an influx of high school and first year players actually playing and sucking it up in the league. Look at NJ and Minn now.

there was more parity back then. now the difference between the haves and have nots are more widespread than ever before. the notion of having sub .500 teams making the playoffs was absurd.

also, please keep in mind the noted eras of the league: The Mikan Era, the Celtic Dynasty Era, the Bird/Magic Era, and the Jordan Era. you will not hear about 'The Kobe Era" because it doesn't and won't exist. if anything it'll be "Kobe/Lebron Era."

 

[TimRock]

also, please keep in mind the noted eras of the league: The Mikan Era, the Celtic Dynasty Era, the Bird/Magic Era, and the Jordan Era. you will not hear about 'The Kobe Era" because it doesn't and won't exist. if anything it'll be "Kobe/Lebron Era."

good one, but i dont know about that Lebron thing. he still needs a few rings. Maybe Kobe/Duncan/Shaq era (in no particular order).

 

[LordSinister]

I cant imagine being a Kobe Bryant fanatic knowing that he's reached his ceiling. Its gotta be tough knowing no matter what he does from here on out, no matter how many last second shots he hits to beat NBA doormats or how many titles he wins, he'll never be considered as good or better than MJ. The best he can hope for is being #2. Unfortunately when you copy & mimic something or someone and build your whole career off of biting shit they did you seldom are going to be seen as being better than the original. Kobe has proven he's better than his biological father was, but he'll never be as good as his real dad (who fathered his entire style) on the basketball court.

That's your opinion, just like in mine Mike will never, ever stack up to William Russell.

 

[LordSinister]

for the Kobe stans, you do realize that the league right now is incredibly watered down. i know there was expansion during the Jordan Era, but there wasn't such an influx of high school and first year players actually playing and sucking it up in the league. Look at NJ and Minn now.

there was more parity back then. now the difference between the haves and have nots are more widespread than ever before. the notion of having sub .500 teams making the playoffs was absurd.

also, please keep in mind the noted eras of the league: The Mikan Era, the Celtic Dynasty Era, the Bird/Magic Era, and the Jordan Era. you will not hear about 'The Kobe Era" because it doesn't and won't exist. if anything it'll be "Kobe/Lebron Era."

If Kobe wins the next 2, it will be the Kobe era. 6 in 12 years and Bronze will have none.

I wonder if you guys will use this watered down era to defend Queen James when he gets attacked?

Hell, if the league is soooo watered down, and Kobe sucks so bad, what does that say about Le Bronze?

I guess you guys will never give him any due, cool. Like I said, 3 more rings and a few more seasons like this one, I will say he's the best I have ever seen (2 guard) Right now, like I said low 90% of Jordan.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

That's your opinion, just like in mine Mike will never, ever stack up to William Russell.

Wilt and Bill Russell's competition at that time is about the same as Michael Jordan playing in a Mexican Basketball league

 

[Alderuhen]

STOP the comparisons..Kobe said it already..Michael IS the greatest :
Jordan is 2nd all time in steals, has 6 rings, he was defensive player of the year, Jordan scores more when it comes playoff time, jordan had 10 scoring titles kobe has only 1, jordan was mvp 5 times, jordan was all nba 1st team 10 times kobe only 3 times .

I love Kobe but U can not compare
(in 1997 , first game between Bulls and Lakers ends like that : Kobe 5 pts , 1 reb. , 1 blk in 10 min. and MJ 30 pts ,9 rebs , 3 assists http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuuEUJApCOI&feature=related)



What does X NBA titles Phil Jackson think about it ?

 

[Blunt]

Wilt and Bill Russell's competition at that time is about the same as Michael Jordan playing in a Mexican Basketball league

No, it's just the opposite. Wilt and Russell faced the cream of the crop every night (nevermind each other many times a year). Jordan and those that have followed (through no fault of their own) have faced a ridiculously-expanded league loaded with way too many scrubs.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

b]Wilt[/b] and Russell faced the cream of the crop every night (nevermind each other many times a year).

....sureeeeee they did blunt



When compared to the NBA of today, 1960s NBA basketball was extremely undersized. Today a NBA team might have four or more players that are 6'9 or taller. When Wilt Chamberlain entered the NBA in 1960, there were only four players in the LEAGUE that were taller than six foot eight. The 7'1 275 pound titan was a dominant force from the moment he arrived in the NBA

http://www.411mania.com/sports/nba/48122/The-Death-of-the-NBA-Big-Man-Part-1.htm

 

[Blunt]

When compared to the NBA of today, 1960s NBA basketball was extremely undersized. Today a NBA team might have four or more players that are 6'9 or taller. When Wilt Chamberlain entered the NBA in 1960, there were only four players in the LEAGUE that were taller than six foot eight. The 7'1 275 pound titan was a dominant force from the moment he arrived in the NBA[/B]

BIG doesn't equal good. We're talking about the level of competition in the '60s (where every team had HOFers), and not the SIZE of the (mostly unschooled) players of today.

Even a fool should know that the LESS teams there are in a league the BETTER the competition. The rosters were packed much deeper with quality players in the past than they are today.

 

[Blaq]

Maybe, but not the teams Kobe had to get by. there was the portland team with Pippen, Wallace, Grant, etc. Then there were the Spurs with Duncan, and the Kings with peja, CW, Vlade, Turkey Lube and Bibby.

What I am saying is that Kobe went through some really high quality teams to win his rings.

Anyway, fuck y'all.

Russell> Magic/Bird > Wilt > Jordan > then the rest. And before you cry foul,they changed the rules to stop Wilt, and changed them to help Mike.

Stay focused. Peep the thread title.

Maybe? More like definitely.

Match up the Finals opponents the Bulls played and the ones LA played. NO CONTEST. What players did they face in the Finals on the level of an Magic, Worthy, Drexler, Perkins, Barkley, KJ, Marley, Dumas, Kemp, Payton, Hawkins, Schremf, Malone, Stockton, Hornicek, etc., etc.

You may need to refresh your memory on the teams the Bulls went through to reach and ultimately win the Finals.

Bibby nem don't count because we all know how that LA / Sac series went.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

BIG doesn't equal good. We're talking about the level of competition in the '60s (where every team had HOFers), and not the SIZE of the (mostly unschooled) players of toay.

Even a fool should know that the LESS teams there are in a league the BETTER the competition.

Please 90% of those HOFers are products of the era they played...and sorry but size matters in basketball...ever see a 6'7 kid dominate high school, than ride the bench in college once he gets around people with the same physical gifts..i see it all the time...a 7'1 Wilt vs a 6'8 center( and most of the time it was more like a 6'4 center)

 

[BMG]

 

[Blaq]

there was more parity back then. now the difference between the haves and have nots are more widespread than ever before. the notion of having sub .500 teams making the playoffs was absurd.

In last weeks Sun Times I was checking the NBA standings. In the central, Cleveland is ranked #1 at 24-8, and at #2 is Milwaukee at 12-17.

In the Atlantic division Boston was #1 at 23-7 and at #2 was Toronto at 15-17.

This was last Tuesday. These are #2's in the division, both under 500.

 

[chemist]

Right now I'm giving the crown to Jordan but when Kobe gets to six rings,

 

[Blaq]

Right now I'm giving the crown to Jordan but when Kobe gets to six rings,

I am a Kobe fan. Always have been, just ask Cranrab.

Even if he won 6 rings, how could he be better than Jordan where he's lagging in all other major accomplishments?

Please explain, i'm just seriously interested in the rationalization where you'd come to that conclusion.

 

[HotNixon36]

Right now I'm giving the crown to Jordan but when Kobe gets to six rings,

I will give the crown to Kobe when he gets 7 playoff MVP's, not being on 6 championship teams. Jordan lead his team to all 6 championships, big difference.

 

[MonkeyBizness]

If Kobe wins the next 2, it will be the Kobe era. 6 in 12 years and Bronze will have none.

I wonder if you guys will use this watered down era to defend Queen James when he gets attacked?

Hell, if the league is soooo watered down, and Kobe sucks so bad, what does that say about Le Bronze?

I guess you guys will never give him any due, cool. Like I said, 3 more rings and a few more seasons like this one, I will say he's the best I have ever seen (2 guard) Right now, like I said low 90% of Jordan.

LeBron is good, but not great. Kobe is great, but not the best.

If Jordan had the supporting cast that each of these guys (especially Kobe) had .
y'all talk Kobe, but didn't the Celtics wax the Lakers with a squad that had Kobe, Odom, Gasol, Ariza, and Bynum 4-2?

Jordan NEVER had a team that talented. NEVER! Jordan won with Ho Grant, Pippen, Paxon, BJ Armstrong, Rodman, Kerr, Perdue, Wennington and other castoff bums. Now besides Pippen, who on The Bulls would you take over any of the aforementioned Lakers? ZERO! (please don't say Rodman).

Now imagine a lineup of Michael Jordan, Artest, Farmar, Gasol, Bynum, Odom, and Fisher? you don't think that they would win over 72 games and sweep the entire playoffs?

In last weeks Sun Times I was checking the NBA standings. In the central, Cleveland is ranked #1 at 24-8, and at #2 is Milwaukee at 12-17.

In the Atlantic division Boston was #1 at 23-7 and at #2 was Toronto at 15-17.

This was last Tuesday. These are #2's in the division, both under 500.

in the East alone, there are 3 teams under .500 who would make the playoffs.

 

[KingTaharqa]

I guess you guys will never give him any due, cool. Like I said, 3 more rings and a few more seasons like this one, I will say he's the best I have ever seen (2 guard) Right now, like I said low 90% of Jordan.

Kobe Bryant is a Hall Of Fame player, and one of the best of this era. I think he's the 2nd best player in the league right now. But he aint the GOAT. Dont get it twisted, Kobe Bryant didnt make the Lakers, the Lakers made Kobe Bryant. #23 made the Bulls. 6 championships (6 Finals MVPS) to a franchise that had never won anything before or after he played wit em. There's a difference. Not to mention his resume and stats are miles and miles beyond Kobes. Paul Pierce & Chauncey Billups got as many Finals MVPs as Kobe, and they both got them going thru him so why yall aint screaming they better than Jordan? D Wade has one in this era too.

[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/EuuEUJApCOI[/flash]​

 

[LordSinister]

Wilt and Bill Russell's competition at that time is about the same as Michael Jordan playing in a Mexican Basketball league

Wow. Maybe cranrab will tear you a new one for that statement.