Was Hip Hop really better back in the day?

buk said:
here is a clue. 2010 is 5 months away. we are about to start out second decade where the radio doesn't matter in hip hop. bringing up the radio just seems crazy. the radio is obsolete.
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The reason that the radio is obsolete (though not dead), is because of the garbage it rotates. In the 80'/90's the radio was the shit because of the quality it was producing. The argument is which era was better and why. The era, and the reasons have been explained. The radio may not matter anymore, but the quality also seems not to matter. Yet here we are approaching 2010 with the same garbage.
 
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magnetic god said:
in this case, age is relevant. I guess you wont answer, that is cool bro:cool:. it was actually reading what you wrote, that propmted my questioning of your age..it is already answered though.
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I never answer those questions. You just have to look at what I wrote. I think I am coming from a place where I can discuss the different decade with first hand knowledge. Age is not relevant, but knowledge is. If you are 45 and never listened to rap.... You get my point. Lol, what age do you think I am?
 
BKF said:
The reason that the radio is obsolete (thought not dead), is because of the garbage it rotates. In the 80'/90's the radio was the shit because of the quality it was producing. The argument is which era was better and why. The era, and the reasons have been explained. The radio may not matter anymore, but the quality also seems not to matter. Yet here we are approaching 2010 with the same garbage.
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the radio is dead because it is based on an obsolete audience. people get their music from the web. Just like the paper newspaper is dying so has the radio. except the radio got nailed with the internet bug first.
 
magnetic god said:
peace G!! yes it was...it was more or less the lifeline for hip hop during the early to mid 80's. it's hard for me to have a discussion with dudes sometimes because google is only a click away:)...so if I were to bring up some names and circumstances from those days, it would be easy for those who were not there, to front as if they were by way of a quick web search. face to face, this is harder to pull off with dudes who was there from the beginning and could tell you what happened and why. suffice it to say, radio was EVERYTHING for hip hop in it's early stages and more or less dictated many trends both in the streets, and in the studio. question, does anyone old enough(or by word of mouth) remember the "Dna and Hank Love Show" in n.y? If anyone is familiar with the american idol format you see on t.v today, that is what the dna hank love show was famous for almost 20 years ago. If it were not for that show, many of the pioneer artists would not have gotten a shot, ultramgnetic mc's for one. you would call in and basically vote for what was the best demo, and when dudes played that "Ego trippin" joint, new yorkers and the tri-state damn near lost they minds..:lol: radio was everything to hip hop! peace.
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Oh my goodness! :dance::dance:
 
ok, I see your point about the radio. but I would say the few radio shows were important that played rap. In the 80's there were just a few shows and yeah they were not mainstream but they did get the music out to be dubbed and heard by people. The 90's was all about cds. It might be an age thing though. If you had money then you picked up cds. If you were a kid in the 90's then the radio was it for you. I just it is relative when you talk about the radio and the importance of it.
 
buk said:
ok, I see your point about the radio. but I would say the few radio shows were important that played rap. In the 80's there were just a few shows and yeah they were not mainstream but they did get the music out to be dubbed and heard by people. The 90's was all about cds. It might be an age thing though. If you had money then you picked up cds. If you were a kid in the 90's then the radio was it for you. I just it is relative when you talk about the radio and the importance of it.
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Dude the radio was still hot in the 90's. Muthersfuckers was still listening, and dubbing tapes in the 90's. Cd's just starting being popular in the mid 90's, and took off there after.
 
magnetic god said:
peace G!! yes it was...it was more or less the lifeline for hip hop during the early to mid 80's. it's hard for me to have a discussion with dudes sometimes because google is only a click away:)...so if I were to bring up some names and circumstances from those days, it would be easy for those who were not there, to front as if they were by way of a quick web search. face to face, this is harder to pull off with dudes who was there from the beginning and could tell you what happened and why. suffice it to say, radio was EVERYTHING for hip hop in it's early stages and more or less dictated many trends both in the streets, and in the studio. question, does anyone old enough(or by word of mouth) remember the "Dna and Hank Love Show" in n.y? If anyone is familiar with the american idol format you see on t.v today, that is what the dna hank love show was famous for almost 20 years ago. If it were not for that show, many of the pioneer artists would not have gotten a shot, ultramgnetic mc's for one. you would call in and basically vote for what was the best demo, and when dudes played that "Ego trippin" joint, new yorkers and the tri-state damn near lost they minds..:lol: radio was everything to hip hop! peace.
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SHEEEEIIIITTTTT.... Let's see...
DNA & HANK LOVE SHOW...
THE AWESOME TWO( Teddy Ted and Special K)
P Fine...
Wild Man Steve...
J Smooth...
Stretch & Bobbito( Greatest college radio show EVER... :yes:)
Marley Marl's In control show
Mr.magic's rap attack
Red Alert show
Chuck Chillout

These were POPPIN radio shows in NYC... Back inthe day....
THank for reminding of P Fine... :yes:
Shit... I remember when KRS flipped on him... Called him a CAC on the air once... :yes:
 
vandamation said:
SHEEEEIIIITTTTT.... Let's see...
DNA & HANK LOVE SHOW...
THE AWESOME TWO( Teddy Ted and Special K)
P Fine...
Wild Man Steve...
J Smooth...
Stretch & Bobbito( Greatest college radio show EVER... :yes:)
Marley Marl's In control show
Mr.magic's rap attack
Red Alert show
Chuck Chillout

These were POPPIN radio shows in NYC... Back inthe day....
THank for reminding of P Fine... :yes:
Shit... I remember when KRS flipped on him... Called him a CAC on the air once... :yes:
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That New York. In Philly the radio was much different in the 80's.
 
vandamation said:
SHEEEEIIIITTTTT.... Let's see...
DNA & HANK LOVE SHOW...
THE AWESOME TWO( Teddy Ted and Special K)
P Fine...
Wild Man Steve...
J Smooth...
Stretch & Bobbito( Greatest college radio show EVER... :yes:)
Marley Marl's In control show
Mr.magic's rap attack
Red Alert show
Chuck Chillout

These were POPPIN radio shows in NYC... Back inthe day....
THank for reminding of P Fine... :yes:
Shit... I remember when KRS flipped on him... Called him a CAC on the air once... :yes:
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:lol:..my dude!! I was going to mention p-fine(tuesdays), but I wanted to see who really knew what was good back then! let me add another great one..Vandy C & Bill Blass show..I know dudes remember "V The Viper":).that show is where chubb rock got his initial lift off with that "caught up" joint. it's good reminiscing about this stuff man, it's not talked about enough in my opinion. peace.
 
:confused: u guys talkin' about HIP HOP... like it's only music:smh:
For sure was HIP HOP better back in the days! I see no B-Boys, DJ's and Writers today...:dunno:...and most of this Rapshit today is wack, no message... 90% are stupid wannabe G's of the MTV-BlingBling-Scene.
 
ionblast said:
Writers, B-Boys and DJs only exist in the underground hip-hop scene.
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what's even sadder to me is that, you ask dudes nowadays to name 10 influential writers, they couldn't do it(I ask this question all of the time to both young and old). To have someone name you just 5 influential breakin crews is probably even harder..:lol::smh:

On this board though, I have to give it up:yes: because there are some serious hip hop historians on here who really know and respect this culture, this was mde abundantly clear to me when graff legend "Iz The Wiz" died some months ago. the thread about his passing brought out all the cats on this board who have vivid memories and great anecdotes about those days, and what is poppin now on the underground. I dont sleep on certain cats on Bgol..:)
 
Hiphop is a joke & it will continuously get worse. I see someone arguing that it's better because you can get the music free on the internet?:lol: That doesn't make it better. All these new dudes are garbage.

As for the mainstream, it has became a joke as well. This is coming from someone that likes radio material when done right

First of all, the production sucks. Sampling is dying because niggas aren't gonna pay unless your a huge artist.

Second, they work on rap as if it's an r&b song. They got writers that write the material for someone that they feel looks the part.

Third, every song on the radio is literally a club song. Remember when you had Dear Mama & shit like that on the radio. Not everyone goes to the damn club. I think labels forget that
 
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locco44 said:
:confused: u guys talkin' about HIP HOP... like it's only music:smh:
For sure was HIP HOP better back in the days! I see no B-Boys, DJ's and Writers today...:dunno:...and most of this Rapshit today is wack, no message... 90% are stupid wannabe G's of the MTV-BlingBling-Scene.
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lol, I even mentioned that in the blogs. But dudes can only read the title of a thread and respond.
 
Didn't even read the article. Hip Hop in the 90's destroys this current decade. It's not even close. Cats didn't have to rely on production back then.
 
vandamation said:
From '84 or '94 was the best era of hip hop... The reason... This is era when the DJ TRULY controlled Hip Hop... Once the labels got a hold of the DJs( radio DJs), it was ALL DOWNHILL... You didn't have to have skills anymore... all you needed was the connection.... :smh:
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Co-Sign! You had a vast variety on the air back then (Wu,Pharcyde,Outkast,Bone, Geto Boys etc. ) Now you have the same 10 songs in a loop with a rare old school joint thrown in from time to time these days.
 
bighurt2k7 said:
Didn't even read the article. Hip Hop in the 90's destroys this current decade. It's not even close. Cats didn't have to rely on production back then.
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well you should read both articles. Also, dude if you really think the artist didn't reply on production I don't know what to say. I mean if you were to name the top 10 producers in rap they would have about 90% of the names from the 90's scene.


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buk said:
well you should read both articles. Also, dude if you really think the artist didn't reply on production I don't know what to say. I mean if you were to name the top 10 producers in rap they would have about 90% of the names from the 90's scene.


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That automatically means rappers relied on them? That's a weak argument man. the 2000's is the decade of the studio/producer. Producers were nowhere near as big back in the day than the are now.
 
jimmyhat said:
I think J stom is showing his age a bit...Not that there's anything wrong wit it...But the 90s wins this one playa.:cool::cool:​
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what made rap grow worse is the impatience of the music industry. In the 1980s, the rap groups had more for improvement and development. Seldom did your favorite artist fall off after one album.

Cats could build up a fan base. In the 1990s, dudes were only one album strong and were lucky to still be relevant after the second album

Fu Shnickens
Leaders of the New School
Son of Bazerk
Hoes with an Attitude
Bitches with Problems
Black Sheep
Beat Nuts
Mic Geronimo
Candyman
Skeelo
Paris?
Redhead Kingpin
Groove B Chill
Monie Love
Isis

and so many others
 
jimmyhat said:
The 90s was the best decade for hip- hop




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vandamation said:
SHEEEEIIIITTTTT.... Let's see...
DNA & HANK LOVE SHOW...
THE AWESOME TWO( Teddy Ted and Special K)
P Fine...
Wild Man Steve...
J Smooth...
Stretch & Bobbito( Greatest college radio show EVER... :yes:)
Marley Marl's In control show
Mr.magic's rap attack
Red Alert show
Chuck Chillout

These were POPPIN radio shows in NYC... Back inthe day....
THank for reminding of P Fine... :yes:
Shit... I remember when KRS flipped on him... Called him a CAC on the air once... :yes:
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Now, if you didn't live in the tri state area, you were hard pressed for tapes to be passed down from your cousins that lived upstate. Enter Missy Elliot. Rap on the radio was scarce. Egyptian Lover on the weekend nights, One rap song per hour if at all. You had to know when the college or public radio programmers had their rap schedule. In the Washington DC, on WPFW, there was one cat, forget his name, killing it in the 1980s. Also Texas Pete in the South, namely North Carolina. That's where I heard of KRS ONE. Discovering a New York artist unknown to the public down south was like hoarding mixtapes: you had the scoop before they really hit big.
 
oolong tea said:
Now, if you didn't live in the tri state area, you were hard pressed for tapes to be passed down from your cousins that lived upstate. Enter Missy Elliot. Rap on the radio was scarce. Egyptian Lover on the weekend nights, One rap song per hour if at all. You had to know when the college or public radio programmers had their rap schedule. In the Washington DC, on WPFW, there was one cat, forget his name, killing it in the 1980s. Also Texas Pete in the South, namely North Carolina. That's where I heard of KRS ONE. Discovering a New York artist unknown to the public down south was like hoarding mixtapes: you had the scoop before they really hit big.
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very good point. I remember hearing treat her like a prostitute on tape from up north.
 
vandamation said:
From '84 or '94 was the best era of hip hop... The reason... This is era when the DJ TRULY controlled Hip Hop... Once the labels got a hold of the DJs( radio DJs), it was ALL DOWNHILL... You didn't have to have skills anymore... all you needed was the connection.... :smh:
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cosign..altho I would say 85 to 92 was the GOLDEN AGE personally..

and why was that period called the GOLDEN AGE..because it was all inclusive...on one genre overshadowed anything else.

by the mid 90s gangster rap was clearly the overpowering genre of hip hop music. When you had people claiming to be hard or gangsters and they never were THATS when things started to go :smh:
 
jimmyhat said:
MAN the 90s were so jam packed with so many different styles, expressions, & creativity.

That selection of variety is what really sets the early to mid 90s apart in my eyes...Sure things started to head downhill towards the late 90s, but I would still take albums that came out in '99 over most current ones in '09​
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What your refering to is the early 90's(91-93) because most of the creative hip hop in the early 90's was spilled over from the 1980's. I say around 94-95 was when Hip Hop became Extemely Dark and ommericalized.

To my knowledge it was during the late 1980's when there were rappers coming out of England(Slick Rick, Monie Love, Dana Dane, etc.) making Cross-Over Hits in the States. I don't ever recall hearing about any rappers from England making Mass Appeal in the States during the 1990's because it was all about the West Coast or the South.
 
jimmyhat said:
To each his own...but the 90s had way more variety which I loved.​
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You must be from the backwoods of the south(most southerners back then weren't into Hip Hop during the 1970's and 1980's) to ignore the Fact that the 1980's had Far More Quality and Diverse Style of Hip Hop.:smh:
 
jimmyhat said:
90s had:

NWA
Souls of Mischief
KRS-1
The Roots
EPMD
Biggie
ATCQ
Leaders of the New School
Das EFX
Busta
Pac
Nas
Etc, etc.

Cats who all could spit but had very distinct different respectable styles...​
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The Bolded are Originators of the 1980's Hip Hop era.
 
BKF said:
Naw son!:lol: In the 90's you were able to hear the old school and the new school. "Now you can get with this, or you can get with that."








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The Early 90's I will agree but You are Crazy as Fuck if you Think that Hip Hop from the 1980's had no substance.
 
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