Dude you just argued that the quality of hip hop is tied to quantity of what's available at a time when the main objective is to get paid NOT deliver quality music.
http://www.youtube.com/v/HreEDfGQv30&hl=en&fs=1&
Was Hip Hop really better back in the day?
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Dude you just argued that the quality of hip hop is tied to quantity of what's available at a time when the main objective is to get paid NOT deliver quality music.
http://www.youtube.com/v/HreEDfGQv30&hl=en&fs=1&
You know what this is all about?
A popularity contest.
In high school, the popular nigga always had more clout than the corny nigga. But the question is, what happens when they graduate?
Some of those same popular niggas, them niggas that bullied the nerds, end up broke, snaggle-toothed and just generally fall off. Some of those nerds end up rich, outgrow their awkwardness, and become the playas of the day. They get better with age.
Now hip-hop today? Is popular, no doubt. Whoever they decide to put millions behind and promote will be popular, it ain't rocket science. But where will it be 10-20 years from now? Time will tell.
Time to tell the truth. There is some Old School hip-hop that is lame as fuck. I don't remember it because I blocked it out. I remember sitting at home watching the jukebox channel and cursing the screen when some wack shit came on (well, i do remember-- "have you seen her?" by MC Hammer was some bullshit, and Ice Ice Baby? shiiiit! - - - ain gon lie, I liked the beat tho, but vanilla ice was just wack . . . I don't hate him tho. In retrospect, HE could probably outrap some of these sorry muthafuckas we got out today)
But the shit I liked? I might not listen to it now, but when some Biz Markie, Rob Bass, Kool Moe Dee, Rakim, Tribe Called Quest . . . when it comes on??? I get that sentimental feeling, yes --- BUT HOWEVER, I also realize just how much more lyrical skill or musical content is present within the music. And all I do is shake my head, cause the shit I hear today??? BULLSHIT!!
So underground hip-hop, old school hip-hop is the nerdy high school kid right now. But if it just stays on course, we'll see who the true champions are in the end.
That's my two.
A popularity contest.
In high school, the popular nigga always had more clout than the corny nigga. But the question is, what happens when they graduate?
Some of those same popular niggas, them niggas that bullied the nerds, end up broke, snaggle-toothed and just generally fall off. Some of those nerds end up rich, outgrow their awkwardness, and become the playas of the day. They get better with age.
Now hip-hop today? Is popular, no doubt. Whoever they decide to put millions behind and promote will be popular, it ain't rocket science. But where will it be 10-20 years from now? Time will tell.
Time to tell the truth. There is some Old School hip-hop that is lame as fuck. I don't remember it because I blocked it out. I remember sitting at home watching the jukebox channel and cursing the screen when some wack shit came on (well, i do remember-- "have you seen her?" by MC Hammer was some bullshit, and Ice Ice Baby? shiiiit! - - - ain gon lie, I liked the beat tho, but vanilla ice was just wack . . . I don't hate him tho. In retrospect, HE could probably outrap some of these sorry muthafuckas we got out today)
But the shit I liked? I might not listen to it now, but when some Biz Markie, Rob Bass, Kool Moe Dee, Rakim, Tribe Called Quest . . . when it comes on??? I get that sentimental feeling, yes --- BUT HOWEVER, I also realize just how much more lyrical skill or musical content is present within the music. And all I do is shake my head
, cause the shit I hear today??? BULLSHIT!!So underground hip-hop, old school hip-hop is the nerdy high school kid right now. But if it just stays on course, we'll see who the true champions are in the end.
That's my two.
Dude you just argued that the quality of hip hop is tied to quantity of what's available at a time when the main objective is to get paid NOT deliver quality music.
http://www.youtube.com/v/HreEDfGQv30&hl=en&fs=1&
No I tied the quality of hip hop to the fact that it is more accessible. If you can hear from 1000 acts from all across the globe, I think that it better than 100 from one country.
The radio doesn't dictate the state of hip hop. It never did.
C'mon man the quality doesn't go up if those Russian, British and Bay Area rappers suck. Just because you have access to more music is your argument? If 90% of that shit is unmitigated garbage, give me the 10% if it's hotness. I'd rather hear a Nas or Jay album once every five years than Soulja Boy or most of the niccuhs from this era dropping wack ass albums and "mixtapes" every other week.
Thats the one of the problem their alot of kids think just because these rappers can sell alot of records they automatically better than the next person who doesnt sell that much...
From '84 or '94 was the best era of hip hop... The reason... This is era when the DJ TRULY controlled Hip Hop... Once the labels got a hold of the DJs( radio DJs), it was ALL DOWNHILL... You didn't have to have skills anymore... all you needed was the connection....
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Rappers dont have to sound like Rakim but you can tell when a rapper is tryin and when another is not...98% of these rappers dont even try compare to back in the day.
I agree with every single thing he said in that interview
All I know is, I can still rock old school jams today and they still got the same flow they had back in the day!
They got shit out now that I could only play once or twice before I totally get sick of that shit completely.
Autotune is a PERFECT example!
yeap......these kids actually think autotune is new...
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I dont think nobody hasnt forgot the bad rap music that was out back in the day...Its just that its 99999999999999x worse...also I agree with you that the older generation will always hate the younger generation music and vice versa but at the same time you can tell the quality of the music your parents listening too was actually good....You cant say that about music today overall..Are their rappers out thats bitter they didnt make much money as these rappers are today.....sure...but you cant tell me that these rappers today actually care about the art compare to the rappers in our generation.....
I mean commercialized white... as in main stream media getting white youth america to love hip hop to the point where you see it everywhere. In the movies, in advertising, in almost every every TV commercial catering to young white kids! When I first noticed white kids dressing like rap artists and white teenagers running around trying to act all thug and using the word nigga in public, that is when hip hop really started sucking bad.
Once main street media saw the trillion dollar market potential in rap/ hip hop, they immediately watered down the industry by producing these far less talented rappers and dressing them like thugs to sell albums. Now, the music is HORRIBLE and we got white media showing us how we should dress and act instead of the other way around.
No doubt about 3rd Bass though... I still rock some of their shit to this day! That was when hip hop still belonged to the street and not to the greedy corporations!
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Why don't you justput together a five man team of the best rappers from this era ad then I'll pick my five from the nineties. C'mon Lupe against Pun or Canabis? No contest. These young dudes don't even go to school and learn how to speak properly anymore, and ya'll expect them to be able to create more than these nursery rhymes they put out.
that is your choice. but if it were not for the internet you probably would not heard of jay electronica, wale, cudi, j cole, and others. They make quality music. Just cause it is not on the radio or a major release means you had to find it. If this where the 90's they would not be heard unless they got put on. Now artist can put themselves on somewhat.
Music was better before hiphop. If we're being brutally honest.
on that note, I think hiphop was better in the past, but simply for two reasons 1. because progression is frowned upon by mainstream AND older rappers and 2. hiphop has turned into the very thing it was created to escape from (same thing happened to Punk Rock). Neither one of those has to do 100 percent with the quality of music (Quality hiphop is out there easily...real rappers don't have to be famous cuz the money is from live shows).
Yes just because it was so much varity from pac to face to bone thugs the whole south movement to biggie & the list goes on & on
everybody brung something different to the game now everybody trying to make a quick buck ......
what happend to substance
Again, you have to seek out those 1000 artist. What if you just want to hear some good music playing on the radio, or pick up a cd. That's the difference between today, and back when. There was a better quality because not just anybody could get on. You had to show and prove your skills. Now all you have to do is have a nice beat, and moan on a song. Quantity is killing the game, verses when it was about quality.
That's the problem. And before the internet, it was called press your own shit and do the legwork, it filtered out alot of the garbage on the radio, the biggest problem is that EVERY RAPPER AND THEY MOMMA HAS A LABEL and is putting their WACK ASS homies on, that's how a lot of this garbage got started in the first place. Back then you actually had to have skill and have more than a few thousand internet heads who are starving for real hip hop trying to grab onto something that even remotely resembles nineties hip hop - how do you think Kanye got so big in the first place, Kanye was the closest thing these young kids had in terms of a classical nineties emcee/producer - sadly.
Part of it also has to do with the quality of production, no disrespect but when NY niccuhs are riding around bumping music loud and everything you hear is from Down South, something is wrong. Each region used to have its own sound and vibe, I loved Scarface and Outkast and Cube and Eiht just as much as I loved listening to Common and the Roots. It didn't matter thqat they weren't from NY because their msic and vibe took me to where they were from, you don't feel that from rappers anymore. But now you can't even get on without a slow computer game sounding beat and a Suthern Drawl, even if you ain't even from the South. That's horrible Hip Hop beats and lyrics have completely lost their heart. I gotta admit I still Love hip hop but it ain't the same, I feel cheated on
I dont totally put the blame on the artist that out today....its mostly the DJ and music executive's fault for playing these garbage ass rappers albums and force feeding us this nonsense....When I stopped listening to music on the radio 10 years ago.....they played the same Nelly song 10 times in one hour...I was like dayum....
I dont totally put the blame on the artist that out today....its mostly the DJ and music executive's fault for playing these garbage ass rappers albums and force feeding us this nonsense....When I stopped listening to music on the radio 10 years ago.....they played the same Nelly song 10 times in one hour...I was like dayum....
I remember when the radio was a free format that played everything from the Euro sound to Hip-Hop. Now it's just 5 songs on rotation.
The radio is off now, and the mp3 player is on. Fuck radio and the garbage it plays all day.
Couldn't have said it any better bruh.........
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IF NOT YOU WOULD'NT HAVE THE LABELLING OF CLASSIC... GRANTED THERE'S ALLOT MUSIC THAT IS CONSIDER GREAT, BUT MOST CUT THAT ARE FROM THE 80-90'S IF YOU PLAY THEM THEY SEEM NEW, OR FOR THOSE... THE TERM FRESH!!!, WHY BECUASE THEY WERE BEFORE THERE TIME, AND CONSIDERED TIMELESS.
lol, I can see that being said. But I love hip hop. So, I'm not touching that.
1986/1988 - 2000 were excellent
1993 - 1996 were fucking AMAZING
1993 - 1996 were fucking AMAZING
I dont totally put the blame on the artist that out today....its mostly the DJ and music executive's fault for playing these garbage ass rappers albums and force feeding us this nonsense....When I stopped listening to music on the radio 10 years ago.....they played the same Nelly song 10 times in one hour...I was like dayum....
No lie, I haven't listened to the radio in about five years I don't have the first clue what is in rotation or what is hot. mp3 in the car, mp3 at home.....
well I said that in my article.
age, race, religion, or sex really doesn't matter. you either read my article and look at the points I make. if you see value in them then that is where you base how you view my comments in this thread. Hell, I'm sure you can figure it out if you read it.
Preach.
The RADIO was our "ARK OF THE COVENANT" from which we heard "GOD SPEAK".
peace G!! yes it was...it was more or less the lifeline for hip hop during the early to mid 80's. it's hard for me to have a discussion with dudes sometimes because google is only a click away
...so if I were to bring up some names and circumstances from those days, it would be easy for those who were not there, to front as if they were by way of a quick web search. face to face, this is harder to pull off with dudes who was there from the beginning and could tell you what happened and why. suffice it to say, radio was EVERYTHING for hip hop in it's early stages and more or less dictated many trends both in the streets, and in the studio. question, does anyone old enough(or by word of mouth) remember the "Dna and Hank Love Show" in n.y? If anyone is familiar with the american idol format you see on t.v today, that is what the dna hank love show was famous for almost 20 years ago. If it were not for that show, many of the pioneer artists would not have gotten a shot, ultramgnetic mc's for one. you would call in and basically vote for what was the best demo, and when dudes played that "Ego trippin" joint, new yorkers and the tri-state damn near lost they minds.. radio was everything to hip hop! peace.
. it was actually reading what you wrote, that propmted my questioning of your age..it is already answered though.
peace G!! yes it was...it was more or less the lifeline for hip hop during the early to mid 80's. it's hard for me to have a discussion with dudes sometimes because google is only a click away
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