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man, none of that shit works if you don't communicate and move on d.
I though Drew was pretty effective holding down the paint in the first half. Carmello is a beast within 5 feet of the basket and with Drew there, he was shooting from farther out.
I missed the 3rd quarter and part of the 2nd.
Overall, he shot 29 times for his points, so they did a better overall job on him. The problem was the boards. They got out rebounded. That should never fucking happen. rebounds mean hustle. I blame the entire team for not boxing out.
man, none of that shit works if you don't communicate and move on d.
I though Drew was pretty effective holding down the paint in the first half. Carmello is a beast within 5 feet of the basket and with Drew there, he was shooting from farther out.
I missed the 3rd quarter and part of the 2nd.
Overall, he shot 29 times for his points, so they did a better overall job on him. The problem was the boards. They got out rebounded. That should never fucking happen. rebounds mean hustle. I blame the entire team for not boxing out.
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Truth spoken...Give credit to the Nuggets defense on getting Kobe to keep the ball at key times of the game...They minimized his effectiveness on the floor more in this game. He didn't have those timely passes that worked for him in Game 1.
I also give props to Nene for making up his lack of point production with his rebs., assists, and hustle plays on the floor (like forcing that jump ball at the end)
And cran, I don't know if anyone can stay with you to dissect the whole game now
but I do have a question...Who would be the most effective defender on Melo, Odom or Ariza? During Game 1, some folks (including myself) were thinking Odom...
Kobe shot well, but there wasn't enough passing. Part of that was the strategy of the Nuggets. But, once ninjas start throwing up bricks, Kobe goes Riki Tiki Tavi and thinks he still 8 years old in his bedroom playing MJ.
Truth spoken...Give credit to the Nuggets defense on getting Kobe to keep the ball at key times of the game...They minimized his effectiveness on the floor more in this game. He didn't have those timely passes that worked for him in Game 1.
I also give props to Nene for making up his lack of point production with his rebs., assists, and hustle plays on the floor (like forcing that jump ball at the end)
And cran, I don't know if anyone can stay with you to dissect the whole game now
but I do have a question...Who would be the most effective defender on Melo, Odom or Ariza? During Game 1, some folks (including myself) were thinking Odom...Nuggets Thread!!!
Los Angeles Lakers Forward Pau Gasol
On where things went wrong in tonight’s game:
“We moved the ball really well. We got open shots, layups, all kinds of stuff. The ball was flowing, the game was flowing. We were doing good. Once the ball started getting stuck and not moving we give them the advantage.”
On whether he needs to demand the ball more:
“I’m playing hard; as hard as I can. I’m trying to give my best effort out there. When I get the ball I try to make good decisions and try to be aggressive. We’re going to continue to be aggressive and I’m going to continue to do my job as much as I can and hopefully get a few more touches.”
Los Angeles Lakers Forward Pau Gasol
On where things went wrong in tonight’s game:
“We moved the ball really well. We got open shots, layups, all kinds of stuff. The ball was flowing, the game was flowing. We were doing good. Once the ball started getting stuck and not moving we give them the advantage.”
On whether he needs to demand the ball more:
“I’m playing hard; as hard as I can. I’m trying to give my best effort out there. When I get the ball I try to make good decisions and try to be aggressive. We’re going to continue to be aggressive and I’m going to continue to do my job as much as I can and hopefully get a few more touches.”
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Gasol is the key. There isn't anyone on the Nuggets that can guard him in the post. He gets the shot he wants every time. He may miss some.. but he gets a good look almost every time. The Lakers are shooting themselves in the foot by not getting the ball down to Gasol..even in if they have to force it in...Gasol only have 8 attempts is fucking unacceptable...and he STILL managed to get 17 points and 17 rebounds..
Gasol is the key. There isn't anyone on the Nuggets that can guard him in the post. He gets the shot he wants every time. He may miss some.. but he gets a good look almost every time. The Lakers are shooting themselves in the foot by not getting the ball down to Gasol..even in if they have to force it in...Gasol only have 8 attempts is fucking unacceptable...and he STILL managed to get 17 points and 17 rebounds..
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Stark contrast from Game 1...They did a horrible job on boxing out Melo, but those were mismatches IMO b/c he's bigger and stronger than Ariza/Kobe in the paint. I think he got at least a couple OREBs on Kobe in this game and a few on Ariza as well.
That's why a bigger lineup could help the Lakers in the long run so that they can win the rebounding battle down the stretch.
Stark contrast from Game 1...They did a horrible job on boxing out Melo, but those were mismatches IMO b/c he's bigger and stronger than Ariza/Kobe in the paint. I think he got at least a couple OREBs on Kobe in this game and a few on Ariza as well.
That's why a bigger lineup could help the Lakers in the long run so that they can win the rebounding battle down the stretch.
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i think that's a good question.
but the answer isn't being decided by who is the best defender. the answer is being decided by the lineup constraints.
if the fakers can give consistent help, trevor ariza is the best defender on carmelo anthony. carmelo anthony's ball handling on the perimeter and wings is suspect, and trevor ariza can harass him some. but let carmelo anthony get the ball down on the block and he has an extremely uncanny ability to get to the rim and convert.
the fakers tried tobe in G1, who is still a poor post defender, and that didn't work. the fakers experimented with box-and-1 early in G2, and that didn't work. i'd be willing to give lamar odom a chance, but then your bench unit suffers without his presence.
And cran, I don't know if anyone can stay with you to dissect the whole game now
i think that's a good question.
but the answer isn't being decided by who is the best defender. the answer is being decided by the lineup constraints.
if the fakers can give consistent help, trevor ariza is the best defender on carmelo anthony. carmelo anthony's ball handling on the perimeter and wings is suspect, and trevor ariza can harass him some. but let carmelo anthony get the ball down on the block and he has an extremely uncanny ability to get to the rim and convert.
the fakers tried tobe in G1, who is still a poor post defender, and that didn't work. the fakers experimented with box-and-1 early in G2, and that didn't work. i'd be willing to give lamar odom a chance, but then your bench unit suffers without his presence.
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Gasol has always been the gear that makes the Lakers go...And for all the criticism that he receives for being "soft", many often overlook why the Lakers were among the tops in the league for the past 1 1/2 seasons.
Gasol has always been the gear that makes the Lakers go...And for all the criticism that he receives for being "soft", many often overlook why the Lakers were among the tops in the league for the past 1 1/2 seasons.
I say we put Kwame Brown Junior on him and have him do a Robert Horry. Start a fight and get both of them tossed. 
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Los Angeles Lakers Forward Lamar Odom
On his team’s execution:
“The second quarter I don’t think we did a good enough job of moving the ball. It keeps your defensive energy up when you move the ball and everybody touches it, everyone gets good looks, get the big men involved. We didn’t do a good job executing and that allowed them to get back in the game and then it was just whose making more plays. We had the lead. At the end they wound up making more plays, the ball found them, loose balls, the ball’s going right in Kenyon Martin’s hands. We just have to execute a little better.”
Los Angeles Lakers Forward Lamar Odom
On his team’s execution:
“The second quarter I don’t think we did a good enough job of moving the ball. It keeps your defensive energy up when you move the ball and everybody touches it, everyone gets good looks, get the big men involved. We didn’t do a good job executing and that allowed them to get back in the game and then it was just whose making more plays. We had the lead. At the end they wound up making more plays, the ball found them, loose balls, the ball’s going right in Kenyon Martin’s hands. We just have to execute a little better.”
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and I bet 2 or 3 of those 8 attempts came off of offensive rebounds...
and I bet 2 or 3 of those 8 attempts came off of offensive rebounds...
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andrew bynum gonna open his mouth and piss off the wrong (or right) person:
On what the Lakers need to adjust to win in Game 3:
“Honestly, I think that we need to re-think how we are doing the defense. They are use to it, they play it every day in practice. They are just attacking it and swinging it to the other side. It is an easy 3 on 2 every time that they swing it to the other side.”
i wonder who is on the weak side that he's talking about?
andrew bynum gonna open his mouth and piss off the wrong (or right) person:
On what the Lakers need to adjust to win in Game 3:
“Honestly, I think that we need to re-think how we are doing the defense. They are use to it, they play it every day in practice. They are just attacking it and swinging it to the other side. It is an easy 3 on 2 every time that they swing it to the other side.”
i wonder who is on the weak side that he's talking about?
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Odom is a key cog of the bench's offensive rhythm, but if you can get a guy with length on Melo in the perimeter, it may give him problems IF he resorts to jump shooting. However, if Melo drives to the lane, then it's up in the air as to what the post defenders will do. Billups was more effective in this game driving to the lane, either creating fouls or dishing it to Martin or Nene.
I guess Ariza would have to be on him due to his quickness on the perimeter...
Odom is a key cog of the bench's offensive rhythm, but if you can get a guy with length on Melo in the perimeter, it may give him problems IF he resorts to jump shooting. However, if Melo drives to the lane, then it's up in the air as to what the post defenders will do. Billups was more effective in this game driving to the lane, either creating fouls or dishing it to Martin or Nene.
I guess Ariza would have to be on him due to his quickness on the perimeter...
The laker's problem is odom. He's getting beat defensively constantly, and he's not getting involved on either end of the court to take pressure off of gasol and kobe, (which doesn't help because gaysol is a soft bitch made ass bird looking clown).
They have the same problems they had last year:
They can't throw it into the post to Gasol in a close game because he can't shoot free throws under pressure, and he's too soft to finish around the basket when he's fouled. Odom is inconsistent at best, and he should have been traded or even waived during the off season. He's almost single handedly killing the lakers with his inconsistent play since he's been in a laker uniform.
This isn't kobe's fault. Gasol and Odom are blowing it again this year...
Give credit to the Nuggets though, they are playing very good defense in key situations. Especially Mello tonight when he guarded kobe in the last few minutes of the 4th quarter. His ball denial on the final inbounds play forced a struggling fisher to take the last shot.
They have the same problems they had last year:
They can't throw it into the post to Gasol in a close game because he can't shoot free throws under pressure, and he's too soft to finish around the basket when he's fouled. Odom is inconsistent at best, and he should have been traded or even waived during the off season. He's almost single handedly killing the lakers with his inconsistent play since he's been in a laker uniform.
This isn't kobe's fault. Gasol and Odom are blowing it again this year...
Give credit to the Nuggets though, they are playing very good defense in key situations. Especially Mello tonight when he guarded kobe in the last few minutes of the 4th quarter. His ball denial on the final inbounds play forced a struggling fisher to take the last shot.
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I know he had at least 2 FGM from offensive rebounds...Nene came off him to try and block the guy driving the ball into the paint. That's how they got 40+ points in there early in the game.
I know he had at least 2 FGM from offensive rebounds...Nene came off him to try and block the guy driving the ball into the paint. That's how they got 40+ points in there early in the game.
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I would go with Ariza on Billups and Odom on Melo. Fisher is too small. Kobe gets beat with Billups first step every time. Ariza would be the best at keeping Billups in front of him and he's long enough to contest pull up jumpers. Same with Odom..although Melo can get around Odom.. Odom is at least long enough to give him a bit a space and still attempt to get a hand in his face. Kobe picks up quick fouls and is too small to deal with Melo in the paint. Ariza is too small to gaurd Melo as well...and everyone is either too small or too slow...Melo is difficult matchup
I would go with Ariza on Billups and Odom on Melo. Fisher is too small. Kobe gets beat with Billups first step every time. Ariza would be the best at keeping Billups in front of him and he's long enough to contest pull up jumpers. Same with Odom..although Melo can get around Odom.. Odom is at least long enough to give him a bit a space and still attempt to get a hand in his face. Kobe picks up quick fouls and is too small to deal with Melo in the paint. Ariza is too small to gaurd Melo as well...and everyone is either too small or too slow...Melo is difficult matchup
Sometimes I'm not sure if you guys are serious or not. Are you seriously blaming this loss on GASOL?
I mean seriously... 17 points on only 8 attempts along with 17 rebounds and he wasn't getting beat by his mean on the defensive end either....I can see cats going after Sasha and Fisher... but Lamar and Gasol?... did you watch the game or look at the stat sheet?
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No one is overlooking anything. Everyone knows/knew that gasol would make the lakers an elite team again. The problem is what it is though. He's a soft 7 footer. Name a team in the last 10 years that have won a ring with a soft big man...
The best big men left in the playoffs is Dwight Howard and Gaysol, and if anything, HE's being over looked..
Don't be surprised if you see an Orlando/LA finals this year.
No one is overlooking anything. Everyone knows/knew that gasol would make the lakers an elite team again. The problem is what it is though. He's a soft 7 footer. Name a team in the last 10 years that have won a ring with a soft big man...
The best big men left in the playoffs is Dwight Howard and Gaysol, and if anything, HE's being over looked..
Don't be surprised if you see an Orlando/LA finals this year.
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Not a good look on the box and 1...The 2-3 zone may be okay but at times they fell asleep on their assignments in the area, paying too much attention to the ball handler.
And about those quotes from Odom and Gasol...they may have a point there in this game because they did have two key 24 violations in the 2nd half.
Not a good look on the box and 1...The 2-3 zone may be okay but at times they fell asleep on their assignments in the area, paying too much attention to the ball handler.
And about those quotes from Odom and Gasol...they may have a point there in this game because they did have two key 24 violations in the 2nd half.
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they're mostly talking about the last 5:15 of Q2, when they watched a 12 point lead disappear.
they're mostly talking about the last 5:15 of Q2, when they watched a 12 point lead disappear.
Sometimes I'm not sure if you guys are serious or not. Are you seriously blaming this loss on GASOL?
I can see cats going after Sasha and Fisher... but Lamar and Gasol?... did you watch the game or look at the stat sheet?
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As soft as a 7 footer as he is, I'd take him over Jer...I mean Dirk.
Just give him the ball in the paint. His skill set alone would create mismatches against the likes of Yao (flat footed), and Nene (over aggressive going for blocks)
As soft as a 7 footer as he is, I'd take him over Jer...I mean Dirk.
Just give him the ball in the paint. His skill set alone would create mismatches against the likes of Yao (flat footed), and Nene (over aggressive going for blocks)
Man..it's 5am here..I'm taking my ass to sleep.
Gasol and Odom combined for 27 points and 27 rebounds with only 17 FGAs attempts.
It's the responsibility of the guards to get them more touches in the post.
To get more looks.. what the fuck they gotta do? take in inbound pass and bring the ball up the court to ensure they get a touch on the offensive end.
Gasol in the post is either going to get a good look, fouled, or pass to an open shooter because of the double team... it's just going to allow the Lakers to get easier buckets... shit is retarded...I know Coach Jackson knows these shit... I just have to believe that the guards on the floor are not executing this..
and why the hell was Bynum not back in the game in the second half.. he was actually off to a good start...
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Ah I see...they failed to move the ball around to close the half out, which allowed the Nuggets to get back in.
Man they made a bunch of bad moves to close out the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th
Ah I see...they failed to move the ball around to close the half out, which allowed the Nuggets to get back in.
Man they made a bunch of bad moves to close out the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th
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he did. he started Q3.
but i'd like to read some of the fakers fans explanations. that ought to be a laugh riot.
he did. he started Q3.
but i'd like to read some of the fakers fans explanations. that ought to be a laugh riot.
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It was the end of the 2nd quarter that really did the Lakers in IMHO... they had to the momentum to push the lead to the high teens and then with just a couple of minutes left in the half, they imploded and allowed the lead to shrink to 1 going into the half. Psychologically, that shit does wonders for a team.. to be getting hammered all half.. play very shitty ball for most of the half and then end up going in just down one because of a quick spurt...
It was the end of the 2nd quarter that really did the Lakers in IMHO... they had to the momentum to push the lead to the high teens and then with just a couple of minutes left in the half, they imploded and allowed the lead to shrink to 1 going into the half. Psychologically, that shit does wonders for a team.. to be getting hammered all half.. play very shitty ball for most of the half and then end up going in just down one because of a quick spurt...
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shit..I was watching and completely missed him...he must have sat back on the bench quickly though.. he only clocked 18 minutes..
shit..I was watching and completely missed him...he must have sat back on the bench quickly though.. he only clocked 18 minutes..
There's a couple problems here.
Gasol was getting plenty of touches but he was locked up (turn overs and extra curricular riff raff) with Nene or Martin guarding him. But he took advantage (two dunks) when Bird Man was guarding him.
And secondly, Pau Gasol played a shit load of minutes and he hardly got a feel for which guards were on the perimeter because Coach Jackson kept shuffling line ups.
Hence you have the two turnovers, passing out of the post.
Pau Gasol got hella touches at the high post position. He just needed to exercise that mid range jumper a little more frequently.
And like someone stated above, hit those damn free throws down the stretch.
The few times I saw Nene on Gasol when he had post position, Gasol ended up on the free throw line. Martin is a lot quicker so he can play him closer though.
However, if Gasol passes out of the post... you CAN allow him to reestablish better position and feed the ball right back to him... sometimes one touch is not enough.
The response was directly geared to post that was scapegoating Gasol. If you think this was a problem, this is clearly(above) not something that can be put on Gasol.
I can't disagree with this. I think a couple of times he could have pulled up on the jumper. However, he needs to get more touches on the low post and the Lakers are just not looking to establish the low post game..
and those two late misses on the strike did hurt..
Sometimes I'm not sure if you guys are serious or not. Are you seriously blaming this loss on GASOL?
I can see cats going after Sasha and Fisher... but Lamar and Gasol?... did you watch the game or look at the stat sheet?
He missed 3 straight free throws in the last minute and a half of the game. YES, any time an 80% (I'm giving him that, he shoots it at 78% when the pressure is off during the regular season) free throw shooter has a history of missing free throws in pressure situations, it's his fault. That's the difference between a good player, and a GREAT player. Great players win championships, good players have nice games.
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/pau_gasol/
67% from the line in the playoffs...
Ok, Odom had 10 points and 9 rebounds in 19 minutes...
KLEIZA had 16 points and 8 rebounds in 21 minutes, and wait for it... HE WAS ODOM's MAN. This dude is averaging like 13 minutes and 5 points a game in the entire playoffs this year...
Not only that HE TOOK LESS SHOTS THEN ODOM (and odom only took 9, you think that's enough to take pressure off of kobe?). But never mind that, are you saying that odom is consistent? Take a look at what Denver did in the 4th quarter from the line compared to the lakers, then reformulate your logic. But just to help you out, I'll tell you they made 17 straight in the second half. The lakers were 7-12, with 3 of those misses (in a row) coming from Gasol with less then 2 minutes in the game (yes gasol the entire world sees the bitch in you).
You must have missed the part that almost all of Denver's points in the fourth quarter came in the paint or at the line. Which means they had no fear of anything gaysol was doing in the paint.
Does protecting the paint not rely on the big man to anchor the defense? I must have missed the part where Shaq, Duncan, The wallace boys, Morning, KG have all dominated the paint DEFENSIVELY on their championship runs for the past decade...
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pau gasol is a career 73.8% FT shooter.
he made 7-10 FTs tonight.
i'd be looking elsewhere for problems.
pau gasol is a career 73.8% FT shooter.
he made 7-10 FTs tonight.
i'd be looking elsewhere for problems.
