The hell are you talking bout? The 3121 album debuted at #1. That was a couple of years ago.
The Truth About The Prince Vs Michael Jackson Feud
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The hell are you talking bout? The 3121 album debuted at #1. That was a couple of years ago.
come on dude.. i know prince is a pretty prolific dude musically but hes also a BUSINESS MAN as well...
do you REALLY think he'd flowed the market with more albums if the one he made was STILL producing hits some 3 or 4 years after release or do you think he'd wait until that album finished its run then release more work?
honestly what do you think prince would do?
Ok I agree.
What about Morris Day and the time? what about Jimmy Jam and Terry Louis?never mind
A week ago Purple Rain was on the fuse channel,firsttime I ever watched it,it was ok.
u just saw purple rain
well that explains a lot
Ok I agree.
What about Morris Day and the time? what about Jimmy Jam and Terry Louis?
How old are you?
Peace,
One needn't ruminate too long to answer this question. For a period of about 15 yrs or more - roughly from "For You" to "Diamonds and Pearls," Prince released about one album a year. He actually wanted to release more but Warner Bros. wanted him to scale back. During this time, he wrote and produced hits for a myriad of proxies and other artists. Music just flowed from this cat. He was completely unconcerned about waiting for the 'right time' to release his stuff. Prince is unlike any artist to whom you're accustomed.
And Warner Brothers was right. He put out way too much unpolished product, which ended up boring his audience and stalling his career. He arrogantly refused to be EDITED. He's yet to truly recover commercially or artistically, though his exalted status remains secure.
Dude should be turning out monster #1 hits like "Hey Ya!" and "The Way You Move" (both of which show his influence). Unfortunately, he can't write a hit to save his life these days. And it's not because he's not commercial-minded. He was one of the great, traditional Pop/Rock/R&B songwriters. His influences were ALL commercial.
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like I said he's prolific..but that doesn't change the fact that not every song he produces for himself is a hit and not every album he produces for himself yields multiple hits like jacksons did during the 80s and 90s..
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I'd wager many an artist from his heydey wishes he or she were in Prince's shoes.
I'd wager many an artist from his heydey wishes he or she were in Prince's shoes.
Prince is a highly talented singer, songwriter, composer, musician. Michael is a gifted dancer, singer and performer with a life spanning career. Really they have their own strengths and weaknesses, both are highly eccentric.
Peace,
Actually, as Blunt points out, his prolificacy was his downfall. If you recall, Michael Jackson released an album once every five years. If Prince had been more selective, you'd be mentioning his name in the same breath as Michael, Madonna and Mariah Carey in terms of career albums sales.
What do you mean? Musicology was one of the best selling albums of the year 2004. He won two Grammys behind it. Do you even listen to music?
Not really, Michael did what Jay-Z does, which is pay the best songwriters and producers to give him the best songs. His albums are designed to sell. Prince does not design albums to sell. He goes into the studio by himself or with HIS band and creates a work of art. He's shelved records that could've sold 5 million. Ask any musician. Any musician at all who's ever been around dude.
Well he didn't really have any hits off his last one, so what was his excuse there?
The bottom line is, Michael's records are crafted product events. He practically invented the event album. A Michael Jackson record is like "Jaws" or "Lord of the Rings" or "Star Wars" or something. A Prince album is like "Pulp Fiction" or "Shawshank Redemption". A piece of art vs. crass commercialism. His record companies provided huge budgets for music videos to make all of his songs hits.
Thats what every artist says when they dont get international success. They didn't want it
Prince was one of the biggest international music stars of all-time. He scaled back, found God, got married, had a kid that died, got divorced, married again and a bunch of other shit. He doesn't crave the spotlight. Michael Jackson keeps actin' a damn fool in public for the same reason Britney Spears does. . . because they want attention, and when they can't make music good enough to get attention, then they go out in public with no draws on and make documentaries where they admit to sleeping in the bed with 13 year old boys and holding babies over balconies and shit.
Learn the difference between artist and entertainer.
yes because we routinely see people imitate and recreate dances and scenes from princes music videos from over 20 years ago
Good. You think these wack ass niggaz like Chris Brown, Omarion, Usher have the musical capacity to do what Prince does? You just proved our point. In order for them to imitate Prince, they'd have to actually develop some musical chops, worthy of hanging with Mavis Staples and Lionel Hampton, Sheila E., Chaka Khan and other actual musicians/singers.
You're right, they can imitate all the slick fancy moves, but give any of them a guitar and they'd star crying. Ask them to play a minor 7th chord and they'd kill themselves.
Dude you speaking off opinion, I'm speaking off fact. I hate Lil Wayne too, but guess what there are people out there who will say Wayne is better than Common. Like the old sang goes "Opinions are like assholes, and everybody has one." Just because you say Lil Wayne lyrics are wack don't mean they really are, it's just your opinion. Number are not opinion, they are fact. And if you read what I said earlier then you would stop using Lil Wayne for your argument. MJ is well out of the one hit wonder phase, he is proven. And if he released another album it would still outsale a Prince album. Even Invincible sold 10 MILLIONcopies to date. When was the last time Prince had a 10 million selling album if ever.
Michael's records are designed to sell. That's like saying "Well, Jurassic Park made 500 million dollars, when's the last time a Woody Allen or Stanley Kubrick film made that, if ever".
GTFOH. That nigga's life revolves around kids and he'd be the first to tell you that. All that monkey shit and amusement park shit, who's that for? Grown ass motherfuckers with bills and shit?
Prince's made "Darling Nikki" and "Little Red Corvette" and "777-9311". Now, his music is not kid friendly. Damn near every song the nigga ever made is bout vaginas.
And Michael Jackson is making tons of hits today? Who's been more successful in the 21st century. Hmm. . . Let's see.
The guy who's had 3 top 5 albums in this decade? or the guy who's biggest accomplishment in this millennium is not going to jail for child molestation? The guy who's last record was such a colossal failure because of the money lost that he had to accuse Sony of being "racist" .
Please, it's not even a contest. Prince is one of the greatest musicians of all-time. Michael Jackson is a very talented guy, but a puppet. When he was successful, that's all he was was a guy who wanted to please everybody possible.
Exactly.
These are the reasons Prince is referred to as simply the "Artist" and Mike is called the "King of Pop."
Oh, and if you ever doubted Prince’s swag, watch him upstage a Mr. Michael Jackson in this amazing video from 1983!
james brown and his legacy put up a legendary show in a charity event, probably telethon, circa 1983.
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/37psKso6ybw&hl=en&fs=1[/FLASH]
james brown and his legacy put up a legendary show in a charity event, probably telethon, circa 1983.
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/37psKso6ybw&hl=en&fs=1[/FLASH]
Oh, and if you ever doubted Prince’s swag, watch him upstage a Mr. Michael Jackson in this amazing video from 1983!
james brown and his legacy put up a legendary show in a charity event, probably telethon, circa 1983.
[flash]http://www.youtube.com/v/37psKso6ybw&hl=en&fs=1[/flash]
NUFF SAID RIGHT THERE.
Sinead O'Connor, Chaka Khan, Melissa Morgan and Tevin Campbell all performed Prince's songs better than he did.
did you see the Rock with you video? huge budget there
don't hate on MJ becuz he knows how to market his shit..
for the most part..most fans of prince don't just admire his musical ability..they like his showmanship and dancing as well..in fact thats REALLY where most people see the competition between them...not in record sales or musicianship..
ALL music and musicians want to sell their shit and make as much money as possible..don't believe the hype about just being in it for the music
okay name three songs on Off the Wall that was made for kids
name three songs on Bad that was made for kids
most of mikes songs where "mature" most of princes songs were "vulgar" don't get me wrong I love prince's music but some of that shit was vulgar and even he would admit it.
first its NOT about record sales now it IS about record sales..
make up your mind
Oh, and if you ever doubted Prince’s swag, watch him upstage a Mr. Michael Jackson in this amazing video from 1983!
james brown and his legacy put up a legendary show in a charity event, probably telethon, circa 1983.
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/37psKso6ybw&hl=en&fs=1[/FLASH]
come dude really???
are you sure???
look at that again..
mike SANG and did an impromptu dance
prince half ass played the guitar...took his shirt off...never actually sang just did somekind of yelp...half heartedly danced then left the stage after knocking over a prop..but he showed mike
Cam'ron > mj and prince
Non of them ninjas made the whole new York wear pink
Non of them ninjas made the whole new York wear pink
come dude really???
are you sure???
look at that again..
mike SANG and did an impromptu dance
prince half ass played the guitar...took his shirt off...never actually sang just did somekind of yelp...half heartedly danced then left the stage after knocking over a prop..but he showed mike
Are you also one of those cats who think Chris Brown is the next coming of Mike?
Real heads know who the greatest musician of our generation is. Peep him get his Hendrix on.
They both have their strengths and weaknesses and from that marketing labels of "Artist" and "King of Pop" it seems both men knew it too.
I have to agree with those who say MJ's music was NOT for kids either until he started to music like Earth Song(which Prince did as well). Listen to Off the Wall and Thriller(even the title cut). So are we suppose to believe songs like Billie Jean and Human Nature(which have been sampled by even the likes of Nas and SWV) are geared towards kids?
What MJ did was dazzle kids with his dancing and videos and it helped make him appealing to a broader group of music listeners. MJ has stated that he has full creative control in that respect to how he wants himself to be edited and seen in the video. That has a HUGE impact on why MJ sold so much records to begin with(he was a cultural phenomenon unto himself like the Beatles or even hip hop). I don't think his record sales should be used against him for that reason and seriously comparing people like Lil Wayne and Madonna to him is off kilter because he sold way more before they were even thought to be any kind of chart toppers. No one has sold like Mike besides The Eagles and Beatles point blank.
He was more subtle with the music than Prince in terms of the lyrics and no way am I taking anything from Prince's writing skills(whether MJ wrote it or not his choice of the lyrics to sing is the point). The music he came out with can arguably define the 80's era or at least was the peak of it, so he changed or lead a musical generation. The same argument that Prince has as well as been stated. Both have been sampled, but I think MJ has him beat(that's off my head though as more artists come to mind immediately like Kanye, Nas, Ghostface, SWV, LL Cool J etc.).
Then the whole Quincy Jones debate in this. I think MJ still lead those albums to be honest. Quincy Jones "ear" for Thriller had him saying it would only sell at most 2 million, while MJ said since he wanted a full album of hits that he felt that Thriller may must down the doors and sell bigger than anything before. I say that's a different type of ear for music and knowing what would work. Prince obviously has an ear for music too in the traditional sense, but you see where both men have their strengths and weaknesses?
It's true more kids know about MN than Prince to be honest from my experiences too. Why? Because all of the current generation musical artists keep mentioning him. Weren't people ripping on Raekwon just a while back for singing a MJ song from Off the Wall at some club? MJ still plays in the club especially Rock With You when old school sets are played by deejays.
With that said, the two of them should do a song together NOW to help both of them get the attention of the new generation imo with all this 80's throwback stuff. They both did their thing to historic proportions. MJ couldn't have been serious to think Prince would have accepted the role Wesley had in Bad. Why would he want to look bad and that line is hilarious too(don't get it twisted both these guys are pretty damn weird, but I have to agree Prince did seem to be more gay at times even with MJ in all his eccentric behaviour).
I agree with geechieden about that Prince/MJ video though
I never said that were better musicians. The singers I mentioned all performed the songs that Prince wrote for them better than he did, mainly because they were all better vocalists.
^^^Yeah that!
Battle of the Superbowl Performances.....Who you got?
Michael Jackson Super Bowl 27
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Prince Super Bowl 41
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Sorry MJ fans, but Prince KILLED IT.
Michael Jackson Super Bowl 27
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Prince Super Bowl 41
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Sorry MJ fans, but Prince KILLED IT.
Oh, and if you ever doubted Prince’s swag, watch him upstage a Mr. Michael Jackson in this amazing video from 1983!
james brown and his legacy put up a legendary show in a charity event, probably telethon, circa 1983.
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/37psKso6ybw&hl=en&fs=1[/FLASH]
That was James Browns birthday so Mike got up and payed homage to him with the old James brown shuffle
Prince got up there(obviously high) and proceeded to scream and throw a prop around
Mike Won that night
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