The Truth About The Prince Vs Michael Jackson Feud
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did you see the Rock with you video? huge budget there
don't hate on MJ becuz he knows how to market his shit..
for the most part..most fans of prince don't just admire his musical ability..they like his showmanship and dancing as well..in fact thats REALLY where most people see the competition between them...not in record sales or musicianship..
ALL music and musicians want to sell their shit and make as much money as possible..don't believe the hype about just being in it for the music
okay name three songs on Off the Wall that was made for kids
name three songs on Bad that was made for kids
most of mikes songs where "mature" most of princes songs were "vulgar" don't get me wrong I love prince's music but some of that shit was vulgar and even he would admit it.
first its NOT about record sales now it IS about record sales..
make up your mind
Dude, the video for "Rock Wit You" was made in 1979. MTV and BET weren't even playing music videos then. That was one of the few videos that existed back then. To have any money for a music video back then you had to be a big artist with a budget.
You notice you didn't see any Prince videos(other than live videos) until years after that. Michael Jackson had the budget to make videos before videos were videos. He is a marketer. Just like 50 Cent is and Master P and Puffy and Paris Hilton and Madonna and all those other people who are good at "marketing" themselves.
Say YOU don't care about Prince's musicianship, but as somebody who's studied music, I know I do. I'm not a huge Michael Jackson or Prince fan to be honest, but I see them as in two totally different leagues. I don't even respect most of MJ's shit post Quincy Jones. I can respect Prince because Prince played all 27 instruments on an album before. Now, that's crazy.
And if you think that deep down all musicians are sell-outs and only want to sell as much as possible, you don't know anything about musicians. I know musicians who've turned down money, fame, and everything else for God, dignity, and other personal reasons. Just because YOU don't have any integrity doesn't mean nobody does. Prince is a guy that does. HE turned down tons of opportunities to keep himself in the spotlight and sell more records(including the duet with Michael), because he just didn't want to do it.
And nobody makes songs for kids, but Mikes songs are more "kid friendly" and always have been, which is why all those artists you talk about have been listening to him since they were kids. Hell, Michael Jackson was probably one of the few things they could listen to as kids. Prince is for when you've gotten your freak on. And plus, kids can't understand music enough to get Prince. You can't just look at a guy in purple strutting around to get the guy. You have to look at the sheer musical talent. Yeah, he could sing and dance like a million other people, but his musical brain is superior to virtually everybody we've ever seen or heard.
Oh yeah, because Quincy Jones just wrote middle of the road bullshit love songs and shit. Kill Yourself
Quincy Jones is not just a songwriter, he's an innovator. He was there with Ray Charles in the 40's and he was there with Hip-Hop in the 1990s.
He has literally been apart of damn near every significant musical movement of the past 60 years.
All David Foster has done is make sappy ass ballads and bullshit pop music.
Has anybody noticed that Michael Jackson, arguably the most dysfunctional Black man in the world, is the only Black guy Blunt defends?
I guess it's because he also hates being Black.
I guess it's because he also hates being Black.
so how many musicals or movies with his own music did MJ make?
Or do you think Purple Rain, Under the Cherry Bom-I mean MOON and Graphitti Bom-I mean BRIDGE (all sorta glorified extended music videos) coincidentally just happen to have princes music all up and thru it?
I respect princes abilities too...thats why if your playing the VS. game its on SHOWMANSHIP not technical ability.
I never said a top selling artist is a sellout.. and its interesting you consider someone selling a lot to mean they are a sell out..
come on man its music not rocket science
don't tell me a person has to have a degree to understand or get an artist...either the music moves them or it doesn't. thats the great part about art and creativity..its really that simple..
Quincy hasn't been "cutting edge" since the '60s.
Badly.
With varying degrees of success.
You're kinda misinformed about Foster's extensive and varied resume, but that also describes a lot of the "hack" shit that Quincy has done over the last 30 years.
Foster's done it all, in a similar vein to Jones. Working with EWF and AWB isn't bad, and he also played on Off the Wall and Thriller, as well as Quincy's albums.
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And other kats are letting record sales get in the way of the discussion period. That's why they keep bringing up how much "Thriller" sold.
so how many musicals or movies with his own music did MJ make?
Or do you think Purple Rain, Under the Cherry Bom-I mean MOON and Graphitti Bom-I mean BRIDGE (all sorta glorified extended music videos) coincidentally just happen to have princes music all up and thru it?
I respect princes abilities too...thats why if your playing the VS. game its on SHOWMANSHIP not technical ability.
I never said a top selling artist is a sellout.. and its interesting you consider someone selling a lot to mean they are a sell out..
come on man its music not rocket science
don't tell me a person has to have a degree to understand or get an artist...either the music moves them or it doesn't. thats the great part about art and creativity..its really that simple..
1. All of those movies came out way, way after Michael Jackson had been making videos in the '70s. "Purple Rain" came out in 1984. "Graffiti Bridge" came out in like 1987 or something.
And why do you forget about "Moonwalker" "Captain EO" and "Ghosts"? Michael tried to make movies. He just really sucked at it. To be fair, so did Prince, but at least "Purple Rain" is a classic.
And every video Michael Jackson made from "Thriller" on is like a damn movie. Half of Prince's music videos are just live performance videos.
2.But Prince had showmanship and technical ability. Michael Jackson has showmanship. On showmanship alone, Prince is neck and neck, but then you look at all the hits he wrote for himself and others and his musicianship.
Game. . . Blouses!
3. I never said selling a lot makes you a sellout, but Michael Jackson is a sellout. He stopped being a "artist" years ago. He doesn't make records, he makes products. He makes records only as a way to inflate his ego and sell records. I don't even think he likes making music that much. I think he just doesn't know what else he can do to make that much money and be that popular.
David Foster has never been "cutting edge". Working with popular bands is not the same as setting trends, scoring movies, starting Vibe Magazine, Mad TV, and having the respect of everybody from Jazz to Hip-Hop.
David Foster writes sappy bullshit. I don't doubt that if you give him some good material, he can play his keyboards or whatever, but ultimately he is nothing but the male Diane Warren. Written bullshit ballads for pop stars and corny chick flicks.
Quincy Jones won an Album of the Year Grammy for "Back On The Block" with Hip-Hop visionaries like Melle Mel and Kool Moe Dee. Hell, Austin Powers used "Soul Bossa Nova", which Ludacris then went back a few years later and used the same track for his song "Number 1 spot" in 2005.
If Quincy Jones isn't "cutting edge", then nobody is. He just chooses not to work as much as he used to.
Oh, and if you ever doubted Prince’s swag, watch him upstage a Mr. Michael Jackson in this amazing video from 1983!
james brown and his legacy put up a legendary show in a charity event, probably telethon, circa 1983.
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/37psKso6ybw&hl=en&fs=1[/FLASH]
So...nobody noticed that it was Michael Jackson that TOLD James Brown to call up Prince, huh? I think the rivalry that has been hyped between the two was just to sell more records.
Michael Jackson is, in my opinion, the greatest performer of our time. He has made some bad choices in his personal life, that that doesn't take away from his professional accomplishments. He is very sick right now with a lung disease. His health is very fragile and it is questionable as to whether he will survive through 2009. What he needs more than anything now is prayer.
Oh, and if you ever doubted Prince’s swag, watch him upstage a Mr. Michael Jackson in this amazing video from 1983!
james brown and his legacy put up a legendary show in a charity event, probably telethon, circa 1983.
[FLASH]http://www.youtube.com/v/37psKso6ybw&hl=en&fs=1[/FLASH]
Okay, I can't make out what Prince was trying to do, really...
...though that mic-stand trick was pretty sweet. However, I was a bit disturbed by his dancing.
If Prince isn't gay, he has defied the gay stereotype unlike any man has ever done it before.
Anyone wanna talk about how Prince wrote songs for Janet Jackson?
Also the rivalry seems to between Prince and MJ fans.
These niggas aint tripping so why yall niggas tripping.
Their "rivalry" was one paragraph of a book.
But yall making it 5 pages.
Stick to the topic.
Also the rivalry seems to between Prince and MJ fans.
These niggas aint tripping so why yall niggas tripping.
Their "rivalry" was one paragraph of a book.
But yall making it 5 pages.
Stick to the topic.
I agree that it's more MJ and Prince fans than anything that are making up this "rivalry".
Well MJ being a sell out or not at least we can say he didn't turn out to be like Gary Coleman. That would have been sad for a child star of his magnitude to be broke years later. He kept himself relevant for many years past the Jackson Five due date.
Well MJ being a sell out or not at least we can say he didn't turn out to be like Gary Coleman. That would have been sad for a child star of his magnitude to be broke years later. He kept himself relevant for many years past the Jackson Five due date.
Really though.
Same about the whole Prince vs. Rick James thing. Even though Rick has said before that he respected Prince's talent, he just thought he was an asshole and Prince hasn't really said anything that I can recall that was bad about Rick.
As far as MJ vs. Prince, I like Prince's material more and feel he is more talented as far as writing, playing and producing his own shit and releasing albums/singles on a consistent basis. But, as far as stage performance and how the audience responds, hands down it's MJ who wins that. He don't even have to do anything. Dude can be on stage and just stand there for minutes and the crowd goes nuts.
Gary Coleman's broke because his parents stole his money, and from a lot of accounts, Michael Jackson's lost his house and damn near everything else too.
Say what you want to about him but Michael Jackson is possibly the greatest entertainer EVER.
Michael beats Prince in business acumen, talent, song writing, dancing, and singing, and history.
Michael is an American Icon, an institution, a legend.
Prince is not.
You're joking right?
Michael Jackson a better "songwriter" than Prince? REally? When all of Michael's biggest hits were written by other people?
Please, Prince wrote hits for The Bangles, Janet Jackson, Sinead O'Connor, Madonna and tons of other people. Hell, Morris Day & The Time were essentially Prince's side project.
And if MJ's got so much business acumen, how come he's always broke? You never hear about Prince going broke. He had to sell Neverland and everything.
Michael, I agree with you is the greatest ENTERTAINER whoe ever lived, but Prince is almost as good of an entertainer, but 100 times the musician and 10 times the songwriter.
Name me one great song Michael Jackson's ever written for somebody else?
If Prince is not a legend to you, then you simply don't know music.
Gary Coleman's case is different than Mike I know, but the point I was making was that MJ did not become like other child stars who became outdated or played out(well before all the craziness in the 90's). For some artists or entertainers being a kid star is a death knell for a career later on. He became a much bigger star which was a testament to his talent.
Tevin Cambell?
The Boys?
Kriss Kross?
Hell even Bobby Brown?
Off my head I can only think of Stevie Wonder doing the same thing to something similar to MJ.
wtf is this??? I'm rollin
MORRIS DAY AND THE TIME WERE PRINCE. IT WAS PRINCE PLAYING THE INSTRUMENTS AND DOING THE VOCALS, AND HAVING MORRIS COME IN AND OVERDUB HIS VOICE OVER PRINCE'S VOICE.
u read to many tabloid grocery store magazines
Prince(Roger) is an idiot and any man who likes him is GAY. His fanbase is 100% GAY midgets. Prince is 5 feet 1, some pimp?
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