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Basketball Heads Lebron vs. Jordan

You really can't compare LBJ and Jordan they are two totally different type of players...If any comparison will be made it will be between Kobe and Jordan...i think at this point Jordan was a better team player than Kobe, but whose to say if Kobe will surpass him...Right no LBJ is better than both were at 23...
his game has not fully developed so there is no way to tell if he is destined for greatness..


You cats on here act like you are scared for someone to be better than Jordan, I hope I can be alive to see the day when a player is better than Jordan..I love basketball have been watching it for 30 some odd years, and hope that the players and the game evolves to its maximum potential
 
freshh1 said:
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:yes:
 
I'm an old head and a long time basketball coach so I have a different view than most but I said to my buddy today that Lebron is probably the most gifted athlete that has ever played in the NBA. His combination of size, speed, quickness, agility and smarts is unmatched. Where Jordan is better is on defense and with his killer instinct. I know Lebron gets lots of steals and blocks but he doesn't do a good job of keeping his man infront of him. When he gets that down and learns to go for the throat then he will win multiple championships and there will be no question of who is better.
 
smtf97 said:
Not true... hes a better ball handler, has better court vision, faster, quicker more athletic... his first year in the NBA his body was NBA ready, Jordan developed over several years and hit the weights in the late 80s after the Pistons were literally whooping his ass in the playoffs. Lebron is also better at attacking the rim than MJ due to the size/speed/strength combo. People dont ever wanna talk about Jordan 84-90 who was just as selfish as Kobe was at the same age... he learned how to win and play with his teammates. Ninjas act like Jordan won a title every year:smh::smh:... its a process. And Jordan dick riders dont want to admit it, but considering LBJs age, its not a matter of whether he'll be better than Jordan, its only a question of when. Add a more consistent jump shot and continue improving the D and hes done. Rings can't be the only factor in determining a players greatness... it its all about the jewelry, Mr. Russell wins that hands down... literally...for those who don't know, he's got 11 rings.
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^^^ they got pussy rules now. When Jordan played it was full contact. Going to the hole was a MANS TASK. Not nowhere near that now. Also the expansion teams have watered the talent level down.

On the flip side tape is better now so they target your weakness on offense.

Bottom line Bron could be better but its gonna be a lot more time.

The BIG DIFFERENCE? When Jordan played he was head and shoulders above everyone. Now you got 2-3 players that are neck and neck.
 
This Thread Should Be Closed. No Comparison. Jordan Was More Exciting, More Clutch,better,has Better Shoes/apparel, Etc,etc..
 
People need to stop with these Jordan comparisons. Now I was no big Jordan fan because he use to scortch my Knicks back in the day, but Jordan is the best to ever have done it. He had an all around game and could kill you everytime it counted. He made cats that weren't even good look good...Kerr, Paxson, Armstrong, Longley, shit the lists goes on.

You can't be compared to the best until you've played some of the best. At that time when Jordan was in the league there were some outright GREAT players. The game is not quite the same today, but it's coming back slowly, largely because of Lebron, Kobe, Paul, etc... Please stop these stupid ass comparisons.
 
eewwll said:
:lol::lol::lol:



Love Magic and Bird... but I can't agree with the talk about the talent level. Jordan beat great teams and also more greatest 50 players of all time than both Bird and Magic. The Lakers often had cakewalks in the West because the conference was so weak at times.. and I watched both the 80s and 90s. I think what you saw in the 80s though were real "teams" that stuck together because the free-agency market wasn't in effect like what happened in the next era ...so you had the Celtics, Lakers, etc who had the same starting lineups for years... great rivalries in the 80s with the Lakers, Celtics, and Pistons championship teams..

jordan's team.. especially the SECOND 3 peat team would have beaten those Laker's showtime teams... and you know why?... because defensively that second 3 peat team..especially the one that won 72 games was one of the best defensive teams in the leagues history..in terms of pure team defense... and that is what would have separated them from those squads... the showtime lakers had a defensive specialist in Cooper and scott wasn't bad... but overall. they weren't good teams defensively... The Bulls would have no problem keeping up with the showtime team offensively... the separation would occur defensively in the bulls favor... that second 3 peat team used to put the fucking clamps on teams and when good offensive teams meet great defensive teams.. the great defensive team usually win... almost in all sports for that matter...

But agree with you that great ball was played in the 80s... the 85-86 Celtics team was sick and probably would have won 70 games if they actually gave a shit about doing it..Bird actually had a game that year where he shot left handed the entire second half because he got "bored"... those cats went 40-1 at home that year...sick
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:lol:@ you over here soundin' like Bill Simmons.

You're right though. Jordan being the taskmaster he was wouldn't let any of his teams slack off on defense. Those 72-10 Bulls always would have 10 minute stretches where they wouldn't give up any FG's.




 
Jordan Hands Down.

Six Championships, Six Rings, Knocking Out The Knicks Everytime They Played In The Playoffs.

Enuff Said.
 
Team championships/rings won are not proof of individual skill.

Nor are point averages, awards, etc. (considering the playing field, the players, is fundamentally different).

I personally go with Jordan for being a well-rounded and flexible player. A solid shooter, good inside, and defensive vs only being noticeably and consistently strong in one respect.
 
EnSabahNur said:
I hated Jordan with a passion when he was in the league, but truth be told, he is, was and alway be the greatest single player that stepped on the court. Very few players dictated, molded, & controlled a completely new level of the game and style of play. All players after him are just hopeful wannabes one day. Jordan is the inventor of the current one or 2 two stars on each NBA team today. People always ask the difference between Jordan and every other player now. I tell them, players now play against teams that have 1 or 2 good players on the team. Jordan played in an era where entire teams new the game in and out and had all the complete fundamentals of the game itself. As great as Jordan was, it really is his fault that the NBA have so many teams that are not complete all around basketball players. Jordan is the GOAT!!
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good analysis.
 
Amajorfucup said:
This is even dumber than the "Kobe or MJ" debates. Lets pretend MJ didnt play during the leagues golden leagues, and lets pretend Lebron doesnt play in an era of watered competition which lacks fundamentals and professionalism. Shouldnt we still withhold this debate until Lebron actually wins SOMETHING??

Are you guys that bored??
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Agree. but dog Jordan only played in the "golden era" of the 80's he didnt win in it.
 
Jordan is the best by the way but just flat out PHYSICAL ability, I think Lebron is better because of all the things he can do but being the best aint about the best ability.
 
RoadRage said:

Did you see the bunch of clowns that played with him that year and young he was at the time?
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you see how everybody talk about game 5....but that shit didn't continue into in the finals.

niggu got locked up by Bruce Bowen smh...but low key I think they got it this year.

eewwll said:
man...why you gotta remind me :angry::angry::angry:
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My bad eewwll but I will never in my life forget this...he will live with this for the rest of his life. I can't think of badboys joe dumars only darko joe dumars.

Like how the fuck...nvm
 
Yea lebron was a true simp in the finals...cost the NBA money to.

Forced stern to give the lakers and celtics good presents and refs
 
To be honest LeBron didn't have much in the tank after the Detroit series. The Spurs was well rested and full of tall guys with long arms who was ready for a tired Cav team that featured a very young LeBron and the Bronnets. Bottom line, that year the series with Detroit was Cleavland championship and they left everything they had in Detroit after game 7.
 
Big Philly said:
I'm an old head and a long time basketball coach so I have a different view than most but I said to my buddy today that Lebron is probably the most gifted athlete that has ever played in the NBA. His combination of size, speed, quickness, agility and smarts is unmatched. Where Jordan is better is on defense and with his killer instinct. I know Lebron gets lots of steals and blocks but he doesn't do a good job of keeping his man infront of him. When he gets that down and learns to go for the throat then he will win multiple championships and there will be no question of who is better.
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I definitely agree with this post. I know the season has just started but I notice a difference in Lebron stepping up to the challenge on defense like the way he shut down Granger the other night. I attribute that mainly to Lebron seeing Kobe up close in Beijing and motivating him to do things he wasn't doing before. The question isn't whether he can put the clamps on someone ... it's whether he has the drive to do it all the time, not just some special occasion. Also look back to when CLE went west to play LA last year. Lebron shut Kobe down in the last quarter and there was a point where Phil Jackson benched Kobe for forcing shots against him. The tools are there.

Personally, I think Jordan hated his opponents and sought to destroy them every time out. He felt it was an attack on him as a man for someone to get the best of him. That's what separates the two. I don't think anyone could ever match Jordan's competitiveness or arrogance but if Lebron can gain a fraction of it, he'll be alright. Everyone has flaws. Jordan boasts a textbook shooting form while Lebron isn't great from the outside. On the other hand, Lebron has Magic like court vision while Jordan (for the first half of his career at least) only made bailout passes to the strong side of the court when he got caught up in the air and couldn't score.

Side bar: Aside for the egregiously hard (some would say dirty) play of a couple of teams (Bad Body Pistons, Riley led Knicks, etc) the defensive play in the 90s and especially in the 80s wasn't all that great. Rarely did a team score anywhere below 100 in the era of Lakers v Celtics. It's hard to believe that defense was better back then considering the speed of the game is much faster now, there are more athletes (there is NO WAY someone like Chris Mullin or John Bagley could play today), and coaches and players watch hours of footage and know tendencies down to players favorite flavors of ice cream. I always remembered the 80s as being the golden age of basketball ... ESPN Classic was a wake up call ...
 
this is wayyy too early lebron hasnt played enought basketball neither has kobe so lets wait bout 12 years(yeah motherfucker you'll still be here) then we will argue.
 
FOr those talking about wade, as good as that dude is - i worry about his injuries. Will he become another Penny Hardway or Grant Hill?
 
cold-n-cocky said:
you didn't see Jordan in the 1986 Playoffs against Boston, huh?

keep in mind, this is AFTER missing damn near the whole season with a broken foot

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The G.O.A.T>>>>>>>>>LBJ23
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This was Jordan's way of putting the league on notice. Before this series, a lot people never saw him play on TV. Even though, Chicago lost the series...Jordan MURDERED THE WHOLE SQUAD. Lebron has a chance to be as good.. but never better than Mike.
 
quiznos said:
I definitely agree with this post. I know the season has just started but I notice a difference in Lebron stepping up to the challenge on defense like the way he shut down Granger the other night. I attribute that mainly to Lebron seeing Kobe up close in Beijing and motivating him to do things he wasn't doing before. The question isn't whether he can put the clamps on someone ... it's whether he has the drive to do it all the time, not just some special occasion. Also look back to when CLE went west to play LA last year. Lebron shut Kobe down in the last quarter and there was a point where Phil Jackson benched Kobe for forcing shots against him. The tools are there.

Personally, I think Jordan hated his opponents and sought to destroy them every time out. He felt it was an attack on him as a man for someone to get the best of him. That's what separates the two. I don't think anyone could ever match Jordan's competitiveness or arrogance but if Lebron can gain a fraction of it, he'll be alright. Everyone has flaws. Jordan boasts a textbook shooting form while Lebron isn't great from the outside. On the other hand, Lebron has Magic like court vision while Jordan (for the first half of his career at least) only made bailout passes to the strong side of the court when he got caught up in the air and couldn't score.

Side bar: Aside for the egregiously hard (some would say dirty) play of a couple of teams (Bad Body Pistons, Riley led Knicks, etc) the defensive play in the 90s and especially in the 80s wasn't all that great. Rarely did a team score anywhere below 100 in the era of Lakers v Celtics. It's hard to believe that defense was better back then considering the speed of the game is much faster now, there are more athletes (there is NO WAY someone like Chris Mullin or John Bagley could play today), and coaches and players watch hours of footage and know tendencies down to players favorite flavors of ice cream. I always remembered the 80s as being the golden age of basketball ... ESPN Classic was a wake up call ...
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cosign i love the golden era....
I must say right now I'd rather have Lebron on my team than Kobe
The lakers had more talent on that team when Kobe got shut down..they have a deeper bench...Kobe might be better player because of experience but there is no way he is a better a team player than Lebron and Lebron is only 24
 

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