(the Wire)who Was The Man Avon,stringer Or Marlo

AllState17 said:
Interesting... Please explain the generational gaps there. Who was the old and who was the new?
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The older guys who sat at the meetings along with Prop-Joe=Older generation of hustling,alot less death and more about money.

Than you Have Avon Barksdale and the people who ran with him=Not as old as Prop-Joes group but these are dudes who were probably 70's and 80's babies who grewup during a time where they had physically get it in before anybody would respect them or give them a title as far as the streets go.Remember when Avon,Stringer and Weebay would talking about what they used to do back in the days to each other.Their Primary goal was Money also but if you weren't 100% you got it(killed).

You have Marlos and his group of criminals and that generation=Ruthless,gun-busting,take out anyone who's might be a threat,use my muscle to the max and I cant go hard than Im better off dead,mentally.Their primary goal,Power,a name,along with the ability to do what they do and get away with it,money was secondary and strenth was neccessary.

But last but not least you have Micheal's generation and all the characters you seen with him,like Dookie=This generation is lost,they have no sense of direction,they have no goals and no structure.They dont think they just react and go with the flow.This group has taken a page from Marlo's generation and thats the fact that their trigger happy,for all the wrong reasons.Their primary goal was self gratification,I want what I want today and fuck what can or will go on tommorro.


:yes:You can disagree what Ive said but this is just how I see it,the changing of the time,out with the old and in with the new.
 
DaleMabry said:
For the record Marlo showed he was down to put in work when he blasted that chick Avon used to set him up--that was DAMN ruthless.

Not to mention his little target practice in the woods, he was the illest shot out of all them dudes.

Remember what Kima called Marlo? "The spawn of the devil"



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Damn y'all got me missing this show a lot now! The Wire was a good series, and as said before I'd rather it go out on a high note than drag on and have turned into some bullshit.

Avon was the man though.

Marlo was a power hungry beast
He had "Little Kevin" bodied
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"Old Face Andre"
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killing the security guard for approaching him about a sucker! (I'm sure if dude knew he could die over it he wouldn't have said shit, but he thought he could reason with him over a sucker:smh:)
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and destroying Randy Wagstaff's life by having him labeled as a "snitch" and getting his foster mother killed (Some of that was Herc's fault too)

Marlo didn't have rhyme or reason to what he did at times, and just consider yourself lucky if you lived after you met him:smh:
 
IEman99 said:
they always cancel the great black shows. i miss that fuckin show :smh:


String was a cold dude in a business suit. if avon would've just fuckin listened to him they'd both be better off. however stringer made some chess moves that backfired. if avon would've just listened to him :smh: String wouldnt be dead. i also think Avon was still a little salty about bitch ass D'Angelo gettin killed. i gotta go with Stringer on this one. he had vision!
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So what made D'Angelo a bitch? To me he was a man, he was willing to stand on his own two in jail and not ride on his uncle's coat tails. To me its tragic how String set him up and had everybody thinking he was taking the bitch route by killing himself.
 
cranrab said:
i couldn't disagree more.

IMO, marlo stanfield was a distant second to avon barksdale, but light years ahead of stooge stringer bell.

why?

because avon was the entrepreneur who BUILT shit. it was avon that established the supply chain, avon that established the distribution network (the corners) of the westside. avon barksdale built that up from nothing.

what did marlo do?

he made a timely move and encroached upon the barskdale operation when it was being run by a pussy chump. stringer bell offered an olive branch, and marlo hit him over the head with it.

marlo didn't (and couldn't) make shit. he was just a thug who took advantage of others' weakness.
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You just made my point. Only someone like Marlo can come in and take everything Avon had. Another example they had the same lawyer Avon is in jail and Marlo is not. Marlo took and got the respect out of Avon's "soldiers." Marlo did much worse things then Avon he's out free while Avon is sitting in a jail cell.
 
cranrab said:
on the money.

that perfectly illustrated how marlo was low-level at heart.

he couldn't rein in his own addiction to the game, and was nothing more than a slave to it. he must've never heard "play the game, don't let the game play you."
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Either that or he piss away a whole lotta his money on poker games :lol:
 
34real said:
The older guys who sat at the meetings along with Prop-Joe=Older generation of hustling,alot less death and more about money.

Than you Have Avon Barksdale and the people who ran with him=Not as old as Prop-Joes group but these are dudes who were probably 70's and 80's babies who grewup during a time where they had physically get it in before anybody would respect them or give them a title as far as the streets go.Remember when Avon,Stringer and Weebay would talking about what they used to do back in the days to each other.Their Primary goal was Money also but if you weren't 100% you got it(killed).

You have Marlos and his group of criminals and that generation=Ruthless,gun-busting,take out anyone who's might be a threat,use my muscle to the max and I cant go hard than Im better off dead,mentally.Their primary goal,Power,a name,along with the ability to do what they do and get away with it,money was secondary and strenth was neccessary.

But last but not least you have Micheal's generation and all the characters you seen with him,like Dookie=This generation is lost,they have no sense of direction,they have no goals and no structure.They dont think they just react and go with the flow.This group has taken a page from Marlo's generation and thats the fact that their trigger happy,for all the wrong reasons.Their primary goal was self gratification,I want what I want today and fuck what can or will go on tommorro.


:yes:You can disagree what Ive said but this is just how I see it,the changing of the time,out with the old and in with the new.
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Respectfully, I happen to disagree that their differences are based on eras. My experience is that there is less violence now then there used to be. A lot less.

In fact, Prop Joe feels more new school to me. Investments, offshore accounts, co-ops... Those things didnt happen back then. Back then it was a free for all, get everything you can get and battles over territory, more of what we saw with Avon and Marlo.

But thats my experience anyways.
 
You're all wrong. The answer is Vondas. Vondas was the realizing nigga on the show.

Out of the three, I would say Avon. I used to say Stringer, but looking back over the three seasons, Stringer was too fucking smart and slick for his own good. He was the nigga that learned basic ECON 101 and was acting like fucking Keynes in this bitch. He plotted and double-plotted until that shit caught up with him. He was good until Season 2. Season two he killed D'Angelo, pissed off Omar with bad info, pissed off Mouzone, gave up 1/2 they property.

Prop Joe was a better gangsta than Stringer because he was Stringer PLUS years in the game PLUS the ability to come up with schemes that WORKED and didn't bite him in the ass. if it wasn't for a snitch, Joe woulda died of a heart attack in about 20 years, well after he had lived a good life.

Marlo was too psychotic. And he only lived past season three because Bell snitched. Slim was on him. Seasons 4 and 5 prove that. If he didn't have Chris, he would be nothing. I'm sure it was Chris' idea to board up the bodies.

Avon was super gangster, but he had restraint and smarts and compassion. If Stringer hadn't have snitched Avon would still be in the game. Even when Avon was in JAIL, he ran the show. Marlo and Stinger in jail wouldn't have done SHIT.

To me, the list goes:

Vondas
Joe
Avon
Chris
Stringer
Marlo
The Greek (only because he wouldn't put in any work, but on the smart and connections side, he is head and shoulders above anyone else)
Cheese
 
The man is whoever overcame the hurdles.

1) Not in Jail
2) Not Dead
3) Not still doing stick ups
4) Sitting on paper!

That only leaves 1 person......figure it out!:yes:
 
Oh yeah, Slim Charles was really the nigga, him and Fat Face Rick.

Ay yo, all you niggas picking Marlo, LOOK AT WHO HE HAD TO BEG/PAY OFF FOR THE CONNECT. I think his name was AVON BARKESDALE.
 
Respectfully, I happen to disagree that their differences are based on eras. My experience is that there is less violence now then there used to be. A lot less.
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I think your looking at in more of a " my experience" rather than what the shows characters on the show represented.

In fact, Prop Joe feels more new school to me. Investments, offshore accounts, co-ops... Those things didnt happen back then.
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I think your looking at it in a wrong way,Prop-Joe doesn't want the drama or to even have things end in violence He would rather talk it out and have some type of meeting of the minds and his bottom line was-"Peice of the Pie".All that investment's and offshore talk really has nothing to do with my point because look at the type of character Prop-Joe was,The man fix antics,vcr's,televisions so I wouldn't put it pass him to have his hands those types of things.But again He's cut from a different cloth,He's come from a different era where things are handled in a much more respectful manner than Avon and Marlon's generation would handle things.

Back then it was a free for all, get everything you can get and battles over territory, more of what we saw with Avon and Marlo.
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It still was crews and clicks and people played they position no matter what it was


:dance:Its all good
 
man fuck this bringing back painful memories type shit... yall got me mad all over again that HBO cancelled the greatest show ever!


R.I.P. The Wire


my vote goes to Omar.... the Gay Super Hero that everyone feared!:yes:
 
LeroyDibiase said:
You're all wrong. The answer is Vondas. Vondas was the realizing nigga on the show.

Out of the three, I would say Avon. I used to say Stringer, but looking back over the three seasons, Stringer was too fucking smart and slick for his own good. He was the nigga that learned basic ECON 101 and was acting like fucking Keynes in this bitch. He plotted and double-plotted until that shit caught up with him. He was good until Season 2. Season two he killed D'Angelo, pissed off Omar with bad info, pissed off Mouzone, gave up 1/2 they property.

Prop Joe was a better gangsta than Stringer because he was Stringer PLUS years in the game PLUS the ability to come up with schemes that WORKED and didn't bite him in the ass. if it wasn't for a snitch, Joe woulda died of a heart attack in about 20 years, well after he had lived a good life.

Marlo was too psychotic. And he only lived past season three because Bell snitched. Slim was on him. Seasons 4 and 5 prove that. If he didn't have Chris, he would be nothing. I'm sure it was Chris' idea to board up the bodies.

Avon was super gangster, but he had restraint and smarts and compassion. If Stringer hadn't have snitched Avon would still be in the game. Even when Avon was in JAIL, he ran the show. Marlo and Stinger in jail wouldn't have done SHIT.

To me, the list goes:

Vondas
Joe
Avon
Chris
Stringer
Marlo
The Greek (only because he wouldn't put in any work, but on the smart and connections side, he is head and shoulders above anyone else)
Cheese
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Cheese was wack he was to arrogant he is in the top 10 but bodie comes in way b4 cheese

LeroyDibiase said:
Oh yeah, Slim Charles was really the nigga, him and Fat Face Rick.

Ay yo, all you niggas picking Marlo, LOOK AT WHO HE HAD TO BEG/PAY OFF FOR THE CONNECT. I think his name was AVON BARKESDALE.
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Avon never sold the connect he just sold marlo the right to talk to boris.

The best soldiers in the movie were
Chris
We bay
Slim Charles
Snoop
Bodie

and bodie only last cuz of his lack of bodies but he was the smartest of any of the hoppers he always avoided jail at all costs fro season 1 to season 4
 
LeroyDibiase said:
Vondas
Joe
Avon
Chris
Stringer
Marlo
The Greek (only because he wouldn't put in any work, but on the smart and connections side, he is head and shoulders above anyone else)
Cheese
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i'm surprised at how many people include prop joe in the convo.

prop joe was a bottom feeder. he wasn't a mover and shaker. he was a weasel who schemed for his crumbs. a jackal who tried to feed off the work everybody else was putting in.

and cheese? cheese doesn't belong anywhere near this list.
 
34real said:
I think your looking at in more of a " my experience" rather than what the shows characters on the show represented.


I think your looking at it in a wrong way,Prop-Joe doesn't want the drama or to even have things end in violence He would rather talk it out and have some type of meeting of the minds and his bottom line was-"Peice of the Pie".All that investment's and offshore talk really has nothing to do with my point because look at the type of character Prop-Joe was,The man fix antics,vcr's,televisions so I wouldn't put it pass him to have his hands those types of things.But again He's cut from a different cloth,He's come from a different era where things are handled in a much more respectful manner than Avon and Marlon's generation would handle things.


It still was crews and clicks and people played they position no matter what it was


:dance:Its all good
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For sure its all good.

We just look at it differently. For the record there is no wrong way to look at it.

One of the writers once wrote that he couldnt believe how fans kept saying there are no bad guys in The Wire. To him Marlo was a bad guy and he thought that was clear to everyone. And he the writer! But he also acknowledged that at the end of the day he couldn't argue with the fans who said that.
 
MzKittyDelicious said:
man fuck this bringing back painful memories type shit... yall got me mad all over again that HBO cancelled the greatest show ever!


R.I.P. The Wire


my vote goes to Omar.... the Gay Super Hero that everyone feared!:yes:
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Omar little was that nigga thought Like in season four when he went to get cereal and cigarettes in his pajamas with no tools and folk still yelling omar coming omar coming and then too rob all the drug dealers of the reup and then to sell there shit back to them was poetic. Omar could find the drug dealers and there peoples houses with the quickness.
 
kurrupt said:
The man is whoever overcame the hurdles.

1) Not in Jail
2) Not Dead
3) Not still doing stick ups
4) Sitting on paper!

That only leaves 1 person......figure it out!:yes:
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:yes:

Desert Eagle said:
Not everybody...
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:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
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Kenard my nigga. Curse like a sailor and he had mad quoteables and kept me laughing.

"Take your ass across the street and park your ass on that stoop"-Kenard to a junkie.

"Package up my ass gump." -Kenard to Namond about his package.
 
I think yall giving Marlo too much credit. Without Chris he would have been killed off. Here's my examples.

1. He was about to see the girl Avon used to set him up by himself. Chris told him don't do that. I'm going come back you up. If it wasn't for that he would have walked right into the trap.

2. Chris didn't tell Marlo about Omar calling him out because he knew Marlo would go right to the street and get killed.

In the end, Marlo didn't have any respect on the street because when Omar kept calling him out, he didn't come back. That made everybody especially Mike think Marlo was a bitch.

I'm going to go with Avon. One thing Marlo had over Avon was he didn't let anything go. Marlo wouldn't had let Stringer get away with killing his nephew like that. Avon let that go and let go the beef with Marlo.
 
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34real said:
The older guys who sat at the meetings along with Prop-Joe=Older generation of hustling,alot less death and more about money.

Than you Have Avon Barksdale and the people who ran with him=Not as old as Prop-Joes group but these are dudes who were probably 70's and 80's babies who grewup during a time where they had physically get it in before anybody would respect them or give them a title as far as the streets go.Remember when Avon,Stringer and Weebay would talking about what they used to do back in the days to each other.Their Primary goal was Money also but if you weren't 100% you got it(killed).

You have Marlos and his group of criminals and that generation=Ruthless,gun-busting,take out anyone who's might be a threat,use my muscle to the max and I cant go hard than Im better off dead,mentally.Their primary goal,Power,a name,along with the ability to do what they do and get away with it,money was secondary and strenth was neccessary.

But last but not least you have Micheal's generation and all the characters you seen with him,like Dookie=This generation is lost,they have no sense of direction,they have no goals and no structure.They dont think they just react and go with the flow.This group has taken a page from Marlo's generation and thats the fact that their trigger happy,for all the wrong reasons.Their primary goal was self gratification,I want what I want today and fuck what can or will go on tommorro.


:yes:You can disagree what Ive said but this is just how I see it,the changing of the time,out with the old and in with the new.
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:yes::yes::yes::yes:
 
The Wire Michael & Marlo:yes:
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The Wire: Brother Mouzone
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Marlo puts a hit on Bodie:smh:
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The Wire - "Close your eyes....it won't hurt none":smh:
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MzKittyDelicious said:
man fuck this bringing back painful memories type shit... yall got me mad all over again that HBO cancelled the greatest show ever!


R.I.P. The Wire


my vote goes to Omar.... the Gay Super Hero that everyone feared!:yes:
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Imma say this and niggas can say what they want, but Omar was bitch. He was great because he was off the grid, but the nigga can get got. The one time he went straight up, he got shot by Weebay (who was a real ass nigga). Omar should've died in Monk's apartment.
 
alldaypimp said:
Cheese was wack he was to arrogant he is in the top 10 but bodie comes in way b4 cheese



Avon never sold the connect he just sold marlo the right to talk to boris.

The best soldiers in the movie were
Chris
We bay
Slim Charles
Snoop
Bodie

and bodie only last cuz of his lack of bodies but he was the smartest of any of the hoppers he always avoided jail at all costs fro season 1 to season 4
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That wasn't a top ten list, I was listing all the bosses and Lieutenants. Cheese ain't in the top 20, he ain't killed and was just a dumbass nigga. And my point was, Marlo would've never been able to move on Joe without coming hat in hand to Avon, who was in jail.

Bodie was the nigga too. He was smart, but just didn't have the opportunities to use that positively. I get the feeling that he coulda been a stand-up kid in another environment. Everytime the nigga got hemmed up, he was able to scheme his way out. Entrapment? While everyone else went to jail, that nigga Bodie was free. He had a nice corner, but a weak crew (Namond, Lil Kevin, and Lex) otherwise, he coulda been a nice lil dealer. I saw Bodie as a Slim Charles like nigga. Bodie was wise.
 
cranrab said:
i'm surprised at how many people include prop joe in the convo.

prop joe was a bottom feeder. he wasn't a mover and shaker. he was a weasel who schemed for his crumbs. a jackal who tried to feed off the work everybody else was putting in.

and cheese? cheese doesn't belong anywhere near this list.
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It wasn't a top ten list, it was a list of the bosses and they 2nd's.

And nah, you are severely underrating Prop Joe. Real niggas move in silence. They ain't had shit on Joe (the police). Prop had the best dope, the best Eastside corners, all with no killing. Respect his gangsta.

God I love the Wire.
 
Mello Mello said:
:yes:




Kenard my nigga. Curse like a sailor and he had mad quoteables and kept me laughing.

"Take your ass across the street and park your ass on that stoop"-Kenard to a junkie.

"Package up my ass gump." -Kenard to Namond about his package.
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Yo, Kenard was that lil bad ass nigga.

"Damn, Dukie fight like a bitch."
 
whatdidusay said:
I think yall giving Marlo too much credit. Without Chris he would have been killed off. Here's my examples.

1. He was about to see the girl Avon used to set him up by himself. Chris told him don't do that. I'm going come back you up. If it wasn't for that he would have walked right into the trap.

2. Chris didn't tell Marlo about Omar calling him out because he knew Marlo would go right to the street and get killed.

In the end, Marlo didn't have any respect on the street because when Omar kept calling him out, he didn't come back. That made everybody especially Mike think Marlo was a bitch.

I'm going to go with Avon. One thing Marlo had over Avon was he didn't let anything go. Marlo wouldn't had let Stringer get away with killing his nephew like that. Avon let that go and let go the beef with Marlo.
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Chris, to me, was the best Lieutenant. Marlo wouldn't have been anywhere near the top without Chris. You put Chris with Avon and then Weebay on the muscle. I guarantee they run the city.

I also want to point out that Marlo DID put in wetwork. Remember Kima in Season 3 pointed out that he had a long rap sheet and linked to several bodies with his signature "two to the chest, one in the mouth" murder style, they just couldn't connect him to shit. Plus, when you got two ruthless niggas like Snoop and Chris, you ain't got to do shit.

And Omar was just lucky. Looking back, that shit was just unrealistic to me. Omar is an major flaw going all the way back to Season 1.
 
Yo props on this thread man I miss "the Wire" and the final season was ok but I missed that show. this is another debate I'll be watching closely. it's like being in the "BGOL Barbershop"

:dance::dance::dance::dance:
 
bigjayler said:
pretty much
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Man it was all about Vondas, The Greek and Sergei. Sergei was the baddest motherfucker on the entire show, he would straight up merk your ass, the lop off your hands and head so they couldnt ID your body. He made Cheese and Prop Joe fall back and even pay for that stupid stevedore cracka's car after they set it on fire.

Sergei and Vondas had the most juice, followed by Marlo.
 
cranrab said:
or you missed mine completely.

avon made his bones.

marlo was pussy and waited until avon was hemmed up to make his move.

avon created.

marlo bit.

avon was genuine, the real deal.

marlo was bootleg.
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Interesting take. I was saying something similar, in that Marlo was like a Kobe type nigga who worshipped Jordan and then wanted to dominate Jordan, but he only got the Jordan with the 45 on his way out of the game--and yet and still no one gives him credit as being on Jordan's level long after his retirement.

"Im tryin to do them Kobe numbers / One over Jordan" -Kanye

Marlo only cared about busting guns, taking corners and surpassing his idol Avon, Chris was the one who showed him smart ways to attain his goal.
 
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