For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time - **don't click if you're illiterate**
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Didn't have read the whole thing, but I dig a 100% whatchoo saying!!!
In a nutshell, the educational system has become commercial, a business, an institution that was once supposed to teach and enlighten it's students is now being used as a scam machine to get your money and continue getting ur money for years to come.
Didn't have read the whole thing, but I dig a 100% whatchoo saying!!!
In a nutshell, the educational system has become commercial, a business, an institution that was once supposed to teach and enlighten it's students is now being used as a scam machine to get your money and continue getting ur money for years to come.
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and you can't afford a decent car ?
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=277595
and you can't afford a decent car ?
http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=277595
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I'm speaking from my experiences in NY. No you can't go to NYU for free, but you can go to Brooklyn College for free if you don't make a lot of money. And as I mentioned, but you failed to quote, even if you don't qualify for loans and didn't work hard enough to earn scholarships, community colleges and smaller public universities don't cost that much. We're talking less than 20 grand for a college education. From my experiences, the people that complain about that (while many of them are eligible for tuition assistance) are the same ones buying Prada shoes and $300 jeans.
I guess my overall point, is that there is no need to bash the cost-benefit of a college education, especially if you don't have one. No one is telling you to go pay 150k to go to Duke, most employers simply want to see that you applied yourself to something that isn't required of you by the law. The sad truth is that most people that don't go to college don't go because they don't have to. The shit really isn't difficult at all.
And once again, sure there are jobs where you don't need a degree. In fact, many jobs require on-the-job training. There are lawyers at my job with degrees from NYU, Columbia, Fordham, etc. that don't know shit because they lack "real-world" experience, but please believe their checks are very handsome (to quote Hov). While someone without a degree may make a living, in most cases it isn't the same as someone with a degree (or 3).
For most people that don't apply themselves and have a grasp on what they want to do, and the motivation and dedication to get it done, college is a waste of time.
I'm speaking from my experiences in NY. No you can't go to NYU for free, but you can go to Brooklyn College for free if you don't make a lot of money. And as I mentioned, but you failed to quote, even if you don't qualify for loans and didn't work hard enough to earn scholarships, community colleges and smaller public universities don't cost that much. We're talking less than 20 grand for a college education. From my experiences, the people that complain about that (while many of them are eligible for tuition assistance) are the same ones buying Prada shoes and $300 jeans.
I guess my overall point, is that there is no need to bash the cost-benefit of a college education, especially if you don't have one. No one is telling you to go pay 150k to go to Duke, most employers simply want to see that you applied yourself to something that isn't required of you by the law. The sad truth is that most people that don't go to college don't go because they don't have to. The shit really isn't difficult at all.
And once again, sure there are jobs where you don't need a degree. In fact, many jobs require on-the-job training. There are lawyers at my job with degrees from NYU, Columbia, Fordham, etc. that don't know shit because they lack "real-world" experience, but please believe their checks are very handsome (to quote Hov). While someone without a degree may make a living, in most cases it isn't the same as someone with a degree (or 3).
For most people that don't apply themselves and have a grasp on what they want to do, and the motivation and dedication to get it done, college is a waste of time.
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Shit ^^^
I wasn't expecting that. Nice though.
Anyway, I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah, This will never happen because to much money is being made off of suckers like you and me. $40,000 total to get a fucking peace of paper and a 20,000 a year job, get the fuck out of here. Its a rip and everybody knows it. I have no problem at all starting off small and working my way up. That is how every society in the world did before we got into this BA bullshit. Anyway, were would I go for drunk horny white Bitches though
BUMP
Shit ^^^
I wasn't expecting that. Nice though.
Anyway, I lost my train of thought. Oh yeah, This will never happen because to much money is being made off of suckers like you and me. $40,000 total to get a fucking peace of paper and a 20,000 a year job, get the fuck out of here. Its a rip and everybody knows it. I have no problem at all starting off small and working my way up. That is how every society in the world did before we got into this BA bullshit. Anyway, were would I go for drunk horny white Bitches though
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Good info.
I lived in the library in undergrad. I was putting in work like I had a wife and kids to feed. I had to take a test to test my knowledge of my major before I left. If I didn't pass I didn't get my degree. Needless to say I know my subject matter.
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I actually read the article in it's entirety. I agree with certain points, the system like most systems needs an overhaul. However, money grows departments. Usually, please read that, the more expensive the college, the higher paid the instructors and professors, the better lab equipment, and thus the better the overall learning experience. The "certifications plan" being exposed here may take away from most students becoming well-rounded intellectuals. And knowing how easy it is to simply memorize information and take a multiple choice test, I would be leery of anyone who didn't also have an impressive amount of experience along with that. Depending on the major, read that please, you can get experience in your field from college, but most people don't word their resumes properly.
On the topic of college vs. no college, I say do you. I wish that more black people from the urban experience would take advantage of it, because it seems to be mostly bitter black people who have become incensed with the black community's lack of soft seasons graduating and becoming that guy you may need a job from, and won't be able to relate to your acceptance of black cultural behavior. I was just getting a grant the other day, and my counselor, who is a sister, was just running off different packages that no one had showed me. Michelle Obama isn't the only strong black person we need infiltrating the system.
And one more thing, "ex-felons" can get a free education, too...it's just another hustle...
I actually read the article in it's entirety. I agree with certain points, the system like most systems needs an overhaul. However, money grows departments. Usually, please read that, the more expensive the college, the higher paid the instructors and professors, the better lab equipment, and thus the better the overall learning experience. The "certifications plan" being exposed here may take away from most students becoming well-rounded intellectuals. And knowing how easy it is to simply memorize information and take a multiple choice test, I would be leery of anyone who didn't also have an impressive amount of experience along with that. Depending on the major, read that please, you can get experience in your field from college, but most people don't word their resumes properly.
On the topic of college vs. no college, I say do you. I wish that more black people from the urban experience would take advantage of it, because it seems to be mostly bitter black people who have become incensed with the black community's lack of soft seasons graduating and becoming that guy you may need a job from, and won't be able to relate to your acceptance of black cultural behavior. I was just getting a grant the other day, and my counselor, who is a sister, was just running off different packages that no one had showed me. Michelle Obama isn't the only strong black person we need infiltrating the system.
And one more thing, "ex-felons" can get a free education, too...it's just another hustle...
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I agree that college isn't for everyone. I know individuals that make a good living, and they never went to college. I just attained my Bachelor's degree, and I realize that a master degree is necessary. But sometmes I womnder, is it worth it to accumulate so much debt, and have to pay it off for so many years to come?
I agree that college isn't for everyone. I know individuals that make a good living, and they never went to college. I just attained my Bachelor's degree, and I realize that a master degree is necessary. But sometmes I womnder, is it worth it to accumulate so much debt, and have to pay it off for so many years to come?
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pretty much...I remember reading this quote this guy said on askmen.com. Dude pretty much summed it up as "you go to college to get laid, you go to the library to learn and become informed."
Personally I already have my B.S. and I tell people that you have to treat college like a trade or vocational school now and days. There are professions(doctor,lawyer,acct.,etc) that you specifically must go to college for just as you go to a trade school for electrician,plumbing,and auto mechanics. Most kids don't know what they want to do in life and end up recycling majors every two-three years trying to hit jackpot. Community colleges to me are the best avenues of approach because atleast you see if the college classroom environment is for you or not without going deep in debt like attending a high cost four year university off the break. Also I encouraged my little nephew to go join the military because the military hands down gives you practical and technical training(with certain occupations of course)while getting paid and getting tuition assistance. I do agree with the author that certifications are becoming the new in vogue thing because you learn what is specifically needed to be learned and thats it...
The idea of higher learning vanquished once most universities realized that selling you an education is a very profitable mechanism and changed some of their structural learning methods to accommodate those fields,trades,etc that were normally not offered as areas of study(majors). Universities set you up for the employee mindset(as stated before) because most high school graduates see it as a gateway to better living, not better thinking. When I left college, the school was going towards every major doing mainly multiple choice tests for reasons I cant remember. We all know good and damn well that multiple choice tests are just crammed memorization applications. College isn't for everyone and just like a relationship, a person has to realize when its becoming a waste of time, energy, and money to want to keep the facade going and just drop out and pursue other options...
Oh yeah for those that due pursue college dont take out a salliemae loan...you will give buttfucked so hard with their high ass interest rates its not cool
Didn't have read the whole thing, but I dig a 100% whatchoo saying!!!
pretty much...I remember reading this quote this guy said on askmen.com. Dude pretty much summed it up as "you go to college to get laid, you go to the library to learn and become informed."
Personally I already have my B.S. and I tell people that you have to treat college like a trade or vocational school now and days. There are professions(doctor,lawyer,acct.,etc) that you specifically must go to college for just as you go to a trade school for electrician,plumbing,and auto mechanics. Most kids don't know what they want to do in life and end up recycling majors every two-three years trying to hit jackpot. Community colleges to me are the best avenues of approach because atleast you see if the college classroom environment is for you or not without going deep in debt like attending a high cost four year university off the break. Also I encouraged my little nephew to go join the military because the military hands down gives you practical and technical training(with certain occupations of course)while getting paid and getting tuition assistance. I do agree with the author that certifications are becoming the new in vogue thing because you learn what is specifically needed to be learned and thats it...
The idea of higher learning vanquished once most universities realized that selling you an education is a very profitable mechanism and changed some of their structural learning methods to accommodate those fields,trades,etc that were normally not offered as areas of study(majors). Universities set you up for the employee mindset(as stated before) because most high school graduates see it as a gateway to better living, not better thinking. When I left college, the school was going towards every major doing mainly multiple choice tests for reasons I cant remember. We all know good and damn well that multiple choice tests are just crammed memorization applications. College isn't for everyone and just like a relationship, a person has to realize when its becoming a waste of time, energy, and money to want to keep the facade going and just drop out and pursue other options...
Oh yeah for those that due pursue college dont take out a salliemae loan...you will give buttfucked so hard with their high ass interest rates its not cool
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lol
all PROFESSIONAL JOBS dont require you to have a degree.
u make it seem like.....a job obtained without a degree is a non professional/shitty job.
wow
not for gun charges...drug only.
people make mistakes man.
not all past or present drug dealers did the shit for rims....hoes....clout...etc.
i think its kinda fucked up that America has a system that makes you suffer (espeically if your black) for the rest of your life for one or two fuck ups.
nobody on this earth has lived a perfect life.
bottom line is..its a BS system.
they give grants to crooked bizness men all the damn time.
.....and most of them got money already.
but here you have a man thats trying to become a civilized adult...and you deny him that chance ...because it fucks up your master plan?
lol
all PROFESSIONAL JOBS dont require you to have a degree.
u make it seem like.....a job obtained without a degree is a non professional/shitty job.
wow
not for gun charges...drug only.
people make mistakes man.
not all past or present drug dealers did the shit for rims....hoes....clout...etc.
i think its kinda fucked up that America has a system that makes you suffer (espeically if your black) for the rest of your life for one or two fuck ups.
nobody on this earth has lived a perfect life.
bottom line is..its a BS system.
they give grants to crooked bizness men all the damn time.
.....and most of them got money already.
but here you have a man thats trying to become a civilized adult...and you deny him that chance ...because it fucks up your master plan?
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thats the car I wanted cuz it was cheap and I like legends bruh....next I just recently left college because it wasn't for me and I'm about to be what I always wanted t be a Firefighter....
can I afford a better car yes...but I wanted something cheap and I dig legends...why does my taste in cars or the fact that I want a car thats not 20k plus have to prove anything....about being sucessful w/o a degree....I know many fam and friends that will prove you wrong....making 80k+ w/o a degree....
next I dig older cars...'88 camaro....'90 firebird...etc...
College ain't everything...I left college cuz I really believe this....but it is the best option....
if you think my choice in cars is shitty thats your opinion brotha...but that does not prove anything about my financial status or my intelligence....
thats the car I wanted cuz it was cheap and I like legends bruh....next I just recently left college because it wasn't for me and I'm about to be what I always wanted t be a Firefighter....
can I afford a better car yes...but I wanted something cheap and I dig legends...why does my taste in cars or the fact that I want a car thats not 20k plus have to prove anything....about being sucessful w/o a degree....I know many fam and friends that will prove you wrong....making 80k+ w/o a degree....
next I dig older cars...'88 camaro....'90 firebird...etc...
College ain't everything...I left college cuz I really believe this....but it is the best option....
if you think my choice in cars is shitty thats your opinion brotha...but that does not prove anything about my financial status or my intelligence....
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Um your information is incorrect. If you select yes, you have been convicted of a DRUG felony, you lose ONE year of potential federal financial aid. How about instead of blaming the "system" you blame the knuckleheads who think its better to pummel drugs into their own communities and get caught... danger to students on campus... ppl need to stop talking out their ass...
Exactly, hitting the nail on the head. There used to be value placed on education, learning, and knowledge. Now no one wants to do anything unless it equals dollars. Dollars aren't everything. I just feel sorry for the people who sacrificed their lives to make it so we could even have the opportunity to learn. Nobody wants to learn anymore, no one wants to take advantage for opportunities. People are talking about student loan debt but won't hesitate to get a high ass interest loan for that new car... priorities...
Um your information is incorrect. If you select yes, you have been convicted of a DRUG felony, you lose ONE year of potential federal financial aid. How about instead of blaming the "system" you blame the knuckleheads who think its better to pummel drugs into their own communities and get caught... danger to students on campus... ppl need to stop talking out their ass...
Exactly, hitting the nail on the head. There used to be value placed on education, learning, and knowledge. Now no one wants to do anything unless it equals dollars. Dollars aren't everything. I just feel sorry for the people who sacrificed their lives to make it so we could even have the opportunity to learn. Nobody wants to learn anymore, no one wants to take advantage for opportunities. People are talking about student loan debt but won't hesitate to get a high ass interest loan for that new car... priorities...
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Dude... there's no justification for selling drugs. I'm not trying to be insensitive towards the struggle we go through, I'm just tired of people making excuses for unnecessary illegal actions and then referring to them as mistakes when they finally grow up and realize the harm they've done.
I have a 22 year old cousin that's been sitting in jail since he was 14 for killing another young black man. He grew up with no parents, and when most kids were sleep getting ready to go to elementary school, he was at the 24 hour pathmark packing bags to get money. It hurt me to see that, and I was devastated when I heard of what he did. While he's an obvious victim of society and the shitty predicament his parents left him in, the fact remains that he is a convicted murderer, and was hit with 25 to life as a result. Fucked up system is an understatement.
But despite the way the system is set up, there are opportunities present for us all, but unfortunately there aren't many willing to seize them for a multitude of reasons - one of them being a lack of support and guidance. The last thing we need is people feeding kids this bullshit about college not being worth it. If someone could have convinced my cousin to focus on school and not get caught up in he bullshit around him, I would be trading college stories with him now, rather than exchanging letters from my crib to his jail cell.
Obviously most people's situations aren't as extreme, and most people aren't criminals. With that said, there is no reason not to go to college. College isn't about how much money you will make, it's about expanding your mind past the neighborhood you've been confined to and the shitty education the govt provided from pre-k to high school. It's about networking, meeting other people that are primed for success.
My first (and current) job was at a law firm. When I was 15 my boss's daughter got married, and he sent me to the bank to deposit a check for $850,000. He bought her and her husband a house... cash money. From that moment on I was never impressed with any material "luxury" someone in the hood was able to come up with (usually illegally). The real money is in corporate America, and that's where I'm staying until I can open up my own shit.
Fuck Colin Powell.
Dude... there's no justification for selling drugs. I'm not trying to be insensitive towards the struggle we go through, I'm just tired of people making excuses for unnecessary illegal actions and then referring to them as mistakes when they finally grow up and realize the harm they've done.
I have a 22 year old cousin that's been sitting in jail since he was 14 for killing another young black man. He grew up with no parents, and when most kids were sleep getting ready to go to elementary school, he was at the 24 hour pathmark packing bags to get money. It hurt me to see that, and I was devastated when I heard of what he did. While he's an obvious victim of society and the shitty predicament his parents left him in, the fact remains that he is a convicted murderer, and was hit with 25 to life as a result. Fucked up system is an understatement.
But despite the way the system is set up, there are opportunities present for us all, but unfortunately there aren't many willing to seize them for a multitude of reasons - one of them being a lack of support and guidance. The last thing we need is people feeding kids this bullshit about college not being worth it. If someone could have convinced my cousin to focus on school and not get caught up in he bullshit around him, I would be trading college stories with him now, rather than exchanging letters from my crib to his jail cell.
Obviously most people's situations aren't as extreme, and most people aren't criminals. With that said, there is no reason not to go to college. College isn't about how much money you will make, it's about expanding your mind past the neighborhood you've been confined to and the shitty education the govt provided from pre-k to high school. It's about networking, meeting other people that are primed for success.
My first (and current) job was at a law firm. When I was 15 my boss's daughter got married, and he sent me to the bank to deposit a check for $850,000. He bought her and her husband a house... cash money. From that moment on I was never impressed with any material "luxury" someone in the hood was able to come up with (usually illegally). The real money is in corporate America, and that's where I'm staying until I can open up my own shit.
Fuck Colin Powell.
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cosign to the fullest... I have a sister in my class who cries to me daily about how she's never gonna graduate. I tell her to work less and take more classes, but the chick insists she works 9-5 (at some bullshit company making a bullshit salary). Claiming she has crazy bills to pay, this chick myspace has her photoed in a new club every week with new outfits, new $900 bags, etc.
My barber said it best... "Black people wear their wealth." We can't have shit unless everyone knows we have it. Instead of havin 10k in the bank we gotta have 10k worth of fly shit to stunt in cheap ass clubs surrounded by other backwards ass people. You could never be ballin by paying your own tuition
cosign to the fullest... I have a sister in my class who cries to me daily about how she's never gonna graduate. I tell her to work less and take more classes, but the chick insists she works 9-5 (at some bullshit company making a bullshit salary). Claiming she has crazy bills to pay, this chick myspace has her photoed in a new club every week with new outfits, new $900 bags, etc.
My barber said it best... "Black people wear their wealth." We can't have shit unless everyone knows we have it. Instead of havin 10k in the bank we gotta have 10k worth of fly shit to stunt in cheap ass clubs surrounded by other backwards ass people. You could never be ballin by paying your own tuition
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truth...my dude ever seen the financial aid line or office in some colleges especially in BK...
cats want money for school....and have $900 jackets....$500 purses and shit....damn shame...
just like the brotha that tried to mention what car I wanted...not knowing the car is cheap is nice and gets me from point A 2 B....
my brother in law has a well off family...I have visited their home many times....BOMB ass house....and he can easily afford a 80k whip...but he drives a old ass camry....
blk ppl need to understan that name brand shit and doing nothing for us in 2008....
cosign to the fullest... I have a sister in my class who cries to me daily about how she's never gonna graduate. I tell her to work less and take more classes, but the chick insists she works 9-5 (at some bullshit company making a bullshit salary). Claiming she has crazy bills to pay, this chick myspace has her photoed in a new club every week with new outfits, new $900 bags, etc.
My barber said it best... "Black people wear their wealth." We can't have shit unless everyone knows we have it. Instead of havin 10k in the bank we gotta have 10k worth of fly shit to stunt in cheap ass clubs surrounded by other backwards ass people. You could never be ballin by paying your own tuition
truth...my dude ever seen the financial aid line or office in some colleges especially in BK...
cats want money for school....and have $900 jackets....$500 purses and shit....damn shame...
just like the brotha that tried to mention what car I wanted...not knowing the car is cheap is nice and gets me from point A 2 B....
my brother in law has a well off family...I have visited their home many times....BOMB ass house....and he can easily afford a 80k whip...but he drives a old ass camry....
blk ppl need to understan that name brand shit and doing nothing for us in 2008....
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Of course I see em... many of these students that qualify for financial aid and govt grants, despite allegedly being "poor", have expensive clothes n shit, n take the grants to buy more of the shit. How the fuck you on the financial aid line with a louis vuitton bookbag I know dudes that took the financial aid grants (over $2,000) and just dropped classes, and often talk about registering for classes to do it again. I wanna say the system is flawed, but its there to help our brothers and sisters... it's a damn shame they don't take advantage of it to better themselves.
And as far as money thing goes, I too am guilty of that shit. I gave away my 1995 Dodge Intrepid and copped a 2006 Charger
Worst fuckin move I ever made... thought I was so fuckin cool when I first got it tho. And I said I bought it... correction.. I financed it
Everyday I frown upon my own shenanigans. So I guess I'm no better than the dude with the $900 jacket (altho I now see the error of my ways),then again, I'm not using your tax dollars to pay for any of my shit.
truth...my dude ever seen the financial aid line or office in some colleges especially in BK...
cats want money for school....and have $900 jackets....$500 purses and shit....damn shame...
just like the brotha that tried to mention what car I wanted...not knowing the car is cheap is nice and gets me from point A 2 B....
my brother in law has a well off family...I have visited their home many times....BOMB ass house....and he can easily afford a 80k whip...but he drives a old ass camry....
blk ppl need to understan that name brand shit and doing nothing for us in 2008....
Of course I see em... many of these students that qualify for financial aid and govt grants, despite allegedly being "poor", have expensive clothes n shit, n take the grants to buy more of the shit. How the fuck you on the financial aid line with a louis vuitton bookbag
I know dudes that took the financial aid grants (over $2,000) and just dropped classes, and often talk about registering for classes to do it again. I wanna say the system is flawed, but its there to help our brothers and sisters... it's a damn shame they don't take advantage of it to better themselves.And as far as money thing goes, I too am guilty of that shit. I gave away my 1995 Dodge Intrepid and copped a 2006 Charger
Worst fuckin move I ever made... thought I was so fuckin cool when I first got it tho. And I said I bought it... correction.. I financed it
Everyday I frown upon my own shenanigans. So I guess I'm no better than the dude with the $900 jacket (altho I now see the error of my ways),then again, I'm not using your tax dollars to pay for any of my shit.
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You're talking about a car someone can afford?
Here, you need to read this:
You're talking about a car someone can afford?
Here, you need to read this:
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http://rapidshare.com/files/59358309/Next.rarRe: For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time - **don't click if you're illiterate*
relax man I was just joking
truth...my dude ever seen the financial aid line or office in some colleges especially in BK...
cats want money for school....and have $900 jackets....$500 purses and shit....damn shame...
just like the brotha that tried to mention what car I wanted...not knowing the car is cheap is nice and gets me from point A 2 B....
my brother in law has a well off family...I have visited their home many times....BOMB ass house....and he can easily afford a 80k whip...but he drives a old ass camry....
blk ppl need to understan that name brand shit and doing nothing for us in 2008....
relax man I was just joking
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I don't waste money or anything if that's what y'all think no expensive clothes etc
thanks for this book anyway homie
You're talking about a car someone can afford?
Here, you need to read this:
Code:http://rapidshare.com/files/59358309/Next.rar
I don't waste money or anything if that's what y'all think no expensive clothes etc
thanks for this book anyway homie
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its aight fam...you know this is BGOL right...you got to be on the defensive early....
relax man I was just joking
its aight fam...you know this is BGOL right...you got to be on the defensive early....
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Call me anything you want. I'm not some thug, I'm not washing cars, never been arrested, never been harassed by cops, got no kids, got a professional job, and a skill so useful that upon being laid off, I had a higher paying job in an hour, didn't miss a single day, had severance sitting in the bank.
The other guy got laid off, the one with the full degree, he's still looking, last I heard.
You don't know me, so I will forgive your ignorance. You're the first to ever call me that and try to mean it.
However, as the man said, if you're illiterate, asleep at the wheel, you shouldn't even be in this thread. If you really believe that every single thing you can learn in college magically takes the exact same time to learn and similar amounts of money no matter what it is, wouldn't that make you the ignant one?
Call me anything you want. I'm not some thug, I'm not washing cars, never been arrested, never been harassed by cops, got no kids, got a professional job, and a skill so useful that upon being laid off, I had a higher paying job in an hour, didn't miss a single day, had severance sitting in the bank.
The other guy got laid off, the one with the full degree, he's still looking, last I heard.
You don't know me, so I will forgive your ignorance. You're the first to ever call me that and try to mean it.
However, as the man said, if you're illiterate, asleep at the wheel, you shouldn't even be in this thread. If you really believe that every single thing you can learn in college magically takes the exact same time to learn and similar amounts of money no matter what it is, wouldn't that make you the ignant one?
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good one. I agree with a lot in the article and I understand those that disagree.
My point is that Colleges are trying to stop teaching. All they want to do is assign work and grade. What happened to teaching skill?
Simple. Pay a teacher $50000 and up! Stop abusing Teacher's Aides!
Teach bitch, teach! My past 2 years consisted of buyin books, havin a teacher read word for word from said books and then have a 10-20 Question multple choice quiz...Which by the way was made available to practice beforehand..!
What did I gain? A little knowledge. $15.000 of debt, a piece of paper and others who quit the program and went for certifications got the jobs I applied for....!
A degree is still worth it, if u do it right.
Solution?
Its all on your parents. they can decide to hook u up or not.
My goals shifted when I had my daughter and I realized wassup! So now...my main focus is to get her college money and instill the same value in her so she can provide the same 4 her kids one day,etc,etc.
I sound mad old..lol. But yea its true. I put her first and try to let her know...My parents didnt really push me to go to college. Mistake.
I think if u can get ur kids the opportunity, do it! whether the system is ideal or not.
Having a degree is always better than not having a degree!
good one. I agree with a lot in the article and I understand those that disagree.
My point is that Colleges are trying to stop teaching. All they want to do is assign work and grade. What happened to teaching skill?
Simple. Pay a teacher $50000 and up! Stop abusing Teacher's Aides!
Teach bitch, teach! My past 2 years consisted of buyin books, havin a teacher read word for word from said books and then have a 10-20 Question multple choice quiz...Which by the way was made available to practice beforehand..!
What did I gain? A little knowledge. $15.000 of debt, a piece of paper and others who quit the program and went for certifications got the jobs I applied for....!
A degree is still worth it, if u do it right.
Solution?
Its all on your parents. they can decide to hook u up or not.
My goals shifted when I had my daughter and I realized wassup! So now...my main focus is to get her college money and instill the same value in her so she can provide the same 4 her kids one day,etc,etc.
I sound mad old..lol. But yea its true. I put her first and try to let her know...My parents didnt really push me to go to college. Mistake.
I think if u can get ur kids the opportunity, do it! whether the system is ideal or not.
Having a degree is always better than not having a degree!
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hell I'm the same way as you all I need is a car that can go point a to point b
its aight fam...you know this is BGOL right...you got to be on the defensive early....
hell I'm the same way as you all I need is a car that can go point a to point b
Re: For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time - **don't click if you're illiterate*
I'll take my chances with a college degree over not having one any fucking day. Life if hard enough as it is. If you want to get your Kanye on, more power to you. sucka
I'll take my chances with a college degree over not having one any fucking day. Life if hard enough as it is. If you want to get your Kanye on, more power to you. sucka
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"For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time"
Based on what statistics? Most of the people I became friends with in undergrad are very successful and are financially better off than 95% of the people that didn't to go college out of my high-school (maybe 9% of my graduating class). For the record, most black youth don't go to college anyway - which assuming the logic behind this argument were true, would show a large population of black business owners (since entrepreneurship seems to be the the focal point of the "don't go to college" belief) with significant incomes.
Let's look at the 2007 State of Black America on Education:
The educational status of blacks has improved slightly in 2007 to 79 percent of whites, up from 78 percent in 2006. This sub-index, which is weighted to make up 25 percent of the full Equality Index, is calculated across five major categories: quality, attainment, scores, enrollment as well as student status and risk factors. Earlier in life, black children excel until the middle-grades and high-school years when their achievement falls off significantly. More than two-thirds of young black children are enrolled in early childhood education programs such as Head Start, compared to slightly more than 64 percent of white children. They have also improved in the areas of school readiness – scoring at 94 percent of that of whites, up from 81 percent in 2006. They have even surpassed or nearly matched white children in terms of some home literacy activities; 81 percent were taught words or numbers three times a week, compared to 76 percent of whites, and 54 percent were read a story once a week, compared to 56 percent of whites.
A major disconnect, however, starts to occur after elementary school as black students, especially males, begin to fall behind or drop out completely. The disparities in writing proficiency scores widen as blacks grow older. At 4th grade, they score at 87 percent of whites – a 13 percentage point deficit. By the time they get to 12th grade, the gap doubles to 26 percentage points with blacks scoring at 74 percent of whites. By the time they get into their teens, blacks are more likely to have dropped out of high school than their white counterparts – 15 percent compared to 12 percent for whites. For black males, the percentage rises to 18 percent compared to 14 percent of white males. But those numbers only measure the drop-out rates of students who are on the school rolls in the first place – not the ones who never show up. The reason for the widening achievement between black and white students is likely related to differences in teacher quality and educational spending. According to this year’s Equality Index, 21 percent of teachers in majority black districts had less than three years experience, compared 10 percent in majority white districts. Also, 49 percent in the middle grades taught in subjects outside their college major or minor, compared to 41 percent of middle grade teachers in white districts. On top of that, dollars spent per black student was only 82 percent of what was spent per white student. By age 25, 81 percent of blacks hold high-school diplomas, compared to 86 percent of whites, and 18 percent have college degrees, compared to 28 percent of whites.
If you want to read the rest for yourself, feel free at http://www.mkf.org/documents/2007_NUL_SOBAEXCSUMMARY.pdf
And for the record, I'm one of those terminal degree schooled cats who will be laughing my way to the bank when my 200K student loans come due. 200 stacks is a lot when you make 35K a year, but when I'm guaranteed six figures out of school for life I don't even think twice about it. Plus, if you leverage your education the way the majority of WASPs hope you don't, that six figures you've gone to school for grows exponentially. I know cats who are in my field pulling down 350K annual after 6 years in practice, and I had a mentor easily murdering 600K after 15 years. That kind of money puts you in circles that allow you to diversify and multiply wealth outside of the scope of your education. Real estate, venture capitalism, investment banking...all things I did NOT get a degree in that I will be utilizing to set myself up for a long, long retirement.
Side note: Marry a chick with this hustle, have kids and set an example so they grow up with this hustle, and establish a lineage of Black Royalty.
"For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time"
Based on what statistics? Most of the people I became friends with in undergrad are very successful and are financially better off than 95% of the people that didn't to go college out of my high-school (maybe 9% of my graduating class). For the record, most black youth don't go to college anyway - which assuming the logic behind this argument were true, would show a large population of black business owners (since entrepreneurship seems to be the the focal point of the "don't go to college" belief) with significant incomes.
Let's look at the 2007 State of Black America on Education:
The educational status of blacks has improved slightly in 2007 to 79 percent of whites, up from 78 percent in 2006. This sub-index, which is weighted to make up 25 percent of the full Equality Index, is calculated across five major categories: quality, attainment, scores, enrollment as well as student status and risk factors. Earlier in life, black children excel until the middle-grades and high-school years when their achievement falls off significantly. More than two-thirds of young black children are enrolled in early childhood education programs such as Head Start, compared to slightly more than 64 percent of white children. They have also improved in the areas of school readiness – scoring at 94 percent of that of whites, up from 81 percent in 2006. They have even surpassed or nearly matched white children in terms of some home literacy activities; 81 percent were taught words or numbers three times a week, compared to 76 percent of whites, and 54 percent were read a story once a week, compared to 56 percent of whites.
A major disconnect, however, starts to occur after elementary school as black students, especially males, begin to fall behind or drop out completely. The disparities in writing proficiency scores widen as blacks grow older. At 4th grade, they score at 87 percent of whites – a 13 percentage point deficit. By the time they get to 12th grade, the gap doubles to 26 percentage points with blacks scoring at 74 percent of whites. By the time they get into their teens, blacks are more likely to have dropped out of high school than their white counterparts – 15 percent compared to 12 percent for whites. For black males, the percentage rises to 18 percent compared to 14 percent of white males. But those numbers only measure the drop-out rates of students who are on the school rolls in the first place – not the ones who never show up. The reason for the widening achievement between black and white students is likely related to differences in teacher quality and educational spending. According to this year’s Equality Index, 21 percent of teachers in majority black districts had less than three years experience, compared 10 percent in majority white districts. Also, 49 percent in the middle grades taught in subjects outside their college major or minor, compared to 41 percent of middle grade teachers in white districts. On top of that, dollars spent per black student was only 82 percent of what was spent per white student. By age 25, 81 percent of blacks hold high-school diplomas, compared to 86 percent of whites, and 18 percent have college degrees, compared to 28 percent of whites.
If you want to read the rest for yourself, feel free at http://www.mkf.org/documents/2007_NUL_SOBAEXCSUMMARY.pdf
And for the record, I'm one of those terminal degree schooled cats who will be laughing my way to the bank when my 200K student loans come due. 200 stacks is a lot when you make 35K a year, but when I'm guaranteed six figures out of school for life I don't even think twice about it. Plus, if you leverage your education the way the majority of WASPs hope you don't, that six figures you've gone to school for grows exponentially. I know cats who are in my field pulling down 350K annual after 6 years in practice, and I had a mentor easily murdering 600K after 15 years. That kind of money puts you in circles that allow you to diversify and multiply wealth outside of the scope of your education. Real estate, venture capitalism, investment banking...all things I did NOT get a degree in that I will be utilizing to set myself up for a long, long retirement.
Side note: Marry a chick with this hustle, have kids and set an example so they grow up with this hustle, and establish a lineage of Black Royalty.
Re: For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time - **don't click if you're illiterate*
just finish reading.
im somewhat incorrect...il admit....but youre completely incorrect.
the people that i know did get denied because of the answers they gave about their drug convictions...and to this day...people are still getting denied.
the act didnt get changed until 2006.
now its taken away if you get convicted while recieving aid.
they give some the option of getting it back...through drug rehab programs...etc.
but even after some finish the program...they still may get denied.
....and some that had cases before they even got financial aid still get denied despite the reformed act.
....those are the people im typing about.
http://ssdp.org/campaigns/hea/
maybe u should go read before you start talking out your ass also
btw.....i never blamed it all on the system..stop putting words in my mouth.
i dont know how you got "I justify ignorance" out of the words i typed.
all i said was that not ALL brothas & sistas that sold drugs did it for ignorant reasons.
maybe the people you know, if you know any, did it out of pure ignorance.
but that doesnt apply to all past and present drug dealers.
the system is fucked up for former criminals.
once your get arrrested and found guilty...you have a fed file for the rest of your life. you may can get you state file cleared....but that fed file is with you for life.
and its a known fact that people who have a rap sheet have a wayyy yyy tougher time getting jobs.....financial support...etc. ITS A FACT!!
you make one or even two fuck ups and that shit is stuck with you for life.
even if you do make it.....dont get too big.
theres ah possibilty that jealous bitches are lurking around to bring up old shit and bring you back down.
you see it alot in sports, politics...etc
but anyways.
try thinking outside the box sometimes.
your narrow-mindedness wont get u anywhere.
yeah .. i know theres ignorant niggas running around causing havoc...but im also aware that the American legal, financial, etc systems are purposely fucked up for a reason.
but back to the subject at hand....
Like i said before..college aint the route 2 go for everybody.
plan and simple.
yeah you may get looked at more by employers if you did have that opiece of paper...but thats still not a guarentee these days.
its not the end of the word if you dont have it.
it all depends on how you handle your bizness.
most of the people in and close to my family got jobs after college because of who they knew....not because they went to college.
im going to college right now because i needed help with learning more about the field im currently in already.
...some may not need to do all that.
i didnt have a degree....and was actually about to go into nursing.
i started off as a fucking dishwasher at a popular hotel in the loop.
now im working in the engineering department...mainly dealing with the electrical work.
i got in good with the head engineer because he used to always come and fix the dishwasher when it broke down. he saw i was a hard worker...and i had a little knowledge about dealing with electricity..wiring..some mechanical work...etc.
....plus i sold myself quite well
...so he put me down.
im getting paid decent now.
but i know if i obtained more knowledge...and my degree...i can be getting paid more doing the job im doing already.
Um your information is incorrect. If you select yes, you have been convicted of a DRUG felony, you lose ONE year of potential federal financial aid. How about instead of blaming the "system" you blame the knuckleheads who think its better to pummel drugs into their own communities and get caught... danger to students on campus... ppl need to stop talking out their ass...
just finish reading.
im somewhat incorrect...il admit....but youre completely incorrect.
the people that i know did get denied because of the answers they gave about their drug convictions...and to this day...people are still getting denied.
the act didnt get changed until 2006.
now its taken away if you get convicted while recieving aid.
they give some the option of getting it back...through drug rehab programs...etc.
but even after some finish the program...they still may get denied.
....and some that had cases before they even got financial aid still get denied despite the reformed act.
....those are the people im typing about.
http://ssdp.org/campaigns/hea/
maybe u should go read before you start talking out your ass also
btw.....i never blamed it all on the system..stop putting words in my mouth.
i dont know how you got "I justify ignorance" out of the words i typed.
all i said was that not ALL brothas & sistas that sold drugs did it for ignorant reasons.
maybe the people you know, if you know any, did it out of pure ignorance.
but that doesnt apply to all past and present drug dealers.
the system is fucked up for former criminals.
once your get arrrested and found guilty...you have a fed file for the rest of your life. you may can get you state file cleared....but that fed file is with you for life.
and its a known fact that people who have a rap sheet have a wayyy yyy tougher time getting jobs.....financial support...etc. ITS A FACT!!
you make one or even two fuck ups and that shit is stuck with you for life.
even if you do make it.....dont get too big.
theres ah possibilty that jealous bitches are lurking around to bring up old shit and bring you back down.
you see it alot in sports, politics...etc
but anyways.
try thinking outside the box sometimes.
your narrow-mindedness wont get u anywhere.
yeah .. i know theres ignorant niggas running around causing havoc...but im also aware that the American legal, financial, etc systems are purposely fucked up for a reason.
but back to the subject at hand....
Like i said before..college aint the route 2 go for everybody.
plan and simple.
yeah you may get looked at more by employers if you did have that opiece of paper...but thats still not a guarentee these days.
its not the end of the word if you dont have it.
it all depends on how you handle your bizness.
most of the people in and close to my family got jobs after college because of who they knew....not because they went to college.
im going to college right now because i needed help with learning more about the field im currently in already.
...some may not need to do all that.
i didnt have a degree....and was actually about to go into nursing.
i started off as a fucking dishwasher at a popular hotel in the loop.
now im working in the engineering department...mainly dealing with the electrical work.
i got in good with the head engineer because he used to always come and fix the dishwasher when it broke down. he saw i was a hard worker...and i had a little knowledge about dealing with electricity..wiring..some mechanical work...etc.
....plus i sold myself quite well
...so he put me down.
im getting paid decent now.
but i know if i obtained more knowledge...and my degree...i can be getting paid more doing the job im doing already.
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Although I respect the majority of what has been said in this thread, this statement pretty much does sum up what I was going to say but was beat to the punch. It is ON TOPIC and to the point.
Didn't have read the whole thing, but I dig a 100% whatchoo saying!!!
Although I respect the majority of what has been said in this thread, this statement pretty much does sum up what I was going to say but was beat to the punch. It is ON TOPIC and to the point.
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will read carefully later.
will read carefully later.
Re: For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time - **don't click if you're illiterate*
In 4 years...you can develop alot of skills/knowledge that you can use to make alot more money, without the hassle of student loans.
real talk
In 4 years...you can develop alot of skills/knowledge that you can use to make alot more money, without the hassle of student loans.
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