More Nader on Obama

[The Black HHH]

Senator Obama said earlier today that I haven't been paying attention to his campaign.

Actually, I have.

And it's clear from Senator Obama's campaign that he is not willing to tackle the white power structure - whether in the form of the corporate power structure or many of the super-rich - who are taking advantage of 100 million low income Americans who are suffering in poverty or near poverty.

Senator Obama is opposed to single payer national health insurance.

Why?

Because he favors the health insurance giants over the millions of Americans in poverty or near poverty who are uninsured or under-insured. Eighteen thousand Americans die every year because they cannot afford health insurance, according to the Institute of Medicine.

Senator Obama wants to expand the military budget which is loaded with waste, fraud and abuse - instead of cutting it and investing the long ignored peace dividend in the inner cities with good jobs and public works - including schools, clinics, and libraries.

Why?

Because he fears and favors those thousands of lobbyists in charge of enlarging the military industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned us against.

Senator Obama says he favors a living wage. But he doesn't say he would immediately increase the minimum wage to $10 an hour, which is the equivalent of the 1968 minimum wage adjusted for inflation - because by doing so he would offend the big corporations who exploit labor in places like Wal-Mart and fast food chains. (The minimum wage needs to be increased immediately, not phased in over a number of years, as Senator Obama would have it.)

So Senator Obama, let's get specific.

We're looking for deeds, not, as Shakespeare put it, words, words, mere words.

Your public career, which I have also been paying attention to, is long on words, and short on action when it comes to consumer protection, cracking down on corporate crime, curbing the violence of toxic environmental racism, and extending clean, affordable public transit, among other issues.

For the purposes of the here and now, three things:

One, why don't you support single payer national health insurance, which is supported by a majority of doctors and the American people?

Two, why do you favor expanding the military budget which is replete with waste, fraud and abuse?

And three, why don't you come out and support an immediate increase of the minimum wage to $10 an hour?

When can we expect the authenticity of hope and change?

 

[UltimateLurker]

really HHH, who fucking cares what nader thinks? wasn't he the reason idiot george was elected

 

[J Storm]

Nice try Ralph but Obama is running for President.

It's best to cause change from the inside out, Not the other way around.
Assimilate.... Infiltrate....

 

[BoyJupiter]

I'm trying to follow him, but I just can't find where these accusations are coming from. What is Nader talking about?

When did Obama say that he wanted to expand the military budget? Anyone?

Has Ralph lost his mind? HOw the hell would Obama get elected by threatening the shit out of the current power structure?

"Oh, we're scared of that nigga,' LET'S VOTE FOR HIM!!"

Dude is living in a Star Wars film.

 

[Logikal]

......

 

[VegasGuy]

I'm racking my brain to remember a time when Nader has ever tried to talk black?

When has he ever visited the hood and spent any time on black issues to improve life for black people? He's run for political office several times before and NOT ONCE has he ever visited the hood or got with black leaders, push a cause and got resultf FOR US.

Nader and this post can go suck a dick.

-VG

 

[The Black HHH]

I'm trying to follow him, but I just can't find where these accusations are coming from. What is Nader talking about?

When did Obama say that he wanted to expand the military budget? Anyone?

Has Ralph lost his mind? HOw the hell would Obama get elected by threatening the shit out of the current power structure?

"Oh, we're scared of that nigga,' LET'S VOTE FOR HIM!!"

Dude is living in a Star Wars film.

I'll say it for the 5th time today.

Is Obama counting on the white power structure for support?
Or is he rallying on some bullshit message about "changing business as usual"?

 

[Dkounciler]

Can Nader get elected ?

 

[ScottFree]

And that's why Nadar has become a footnote in modern history.

 

[The Black HHH]

I'm racking my brain to remember a time when Nader has ever tried to talk black?

When has he ever visited the hood and spent any time on black issues to improve life for black people? He's run for political office several times before and NOT ONCE has he ever visited the hood or got with black leaders, push a cause and got resultf FOR US.

Nader and this post can go suck a dick.

-VG

Not true.

Nader is one of few people who has worked to address issues of environmental racism.
Air quality, water quality, the legality of putting cell towers and power plants in "the hood"

Just because he didn't have fifty-leven cameras on him and commercials about it....

 

[The Black HHH]

Can Nader get elected ?

Never if people are scared to vote outside of the corporate-owned parties.

 

[lazarus]

sigh

the choice is obama or mccain, the black homo. pick the better one.
or dont vote, because chances are, voting for nader or not voting at all is not going to make a difference. obama is still going to be president.
so if you dont like it, look at some brochures for other countries.

 

[m10_v]

I'll say it for the 5th time today.

Is Obama counting on the white power structure for support?
Or is he rallying on some bullshit message about "changing business as usual"?

Who is the white power structure? Is it a group of rich whites? Poor whites? Rich and poor whites? Specifically who is it? If Obama comes out tomorrow and says he's fighting to tame the white power structure will you be happy? Why aren't you attacking McCain for not fighting the white power structure and only Obama? How can he fight the white power structure if he isn't elected?

More importantly how do you fight it?

 

[BoyJupiter]

I'll say it for the 5th time today.

Is Obama counting on the white power structure for support?
Or is he rallying on some bullshit message about "changing business as usual"?

LOL, that's a horribly phrased question, bruh.

Let's just say that you've got to gain favor in Egypt before you lead an Exodus.

 

[Dkounciler]

Never if people are scared to vote outside of the corporate-owned parties.

So who is his best HOPE for getting anything done McCain or Obama, a Republican or a Democrat. Why try to piss on the one guy who MAY be willing to give you an ear if he wins. Obama has already acknowledge good works of Nader. Dude is stupid with it if he knows from experience he can't get elected but is shiting on a guy who has publicly acknowledge some of his good work. He's being an ass as in stubborn ole mule with a side dish of devilish cracker.

 

[mike123]

they aint tryin to hear u triple H, any ideas on what to do when shit hits the fan?

 

[geechiedan]

Not true.

Nader is one of few people who has worked to address issues of environmental racism.
Air quality, water quality, the legality of putting cell towers and power plants in "the hood"

Just because he didn't have fifty-leven cameras on him and commercials about it....

Barack Obama sponsored a law enhancing tax credits for low-income workers.

Negotiated welfare reform.

Promoted increased subsidies for childcare.

Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped.

this is why black people are behind the fucking curve on shit.. you can't please a motherfucker.

big fucking whoop..environmental racism...what about COPS PULLING BLACKS OUTTA CARS RACISM...

like vegasguy said: He's run for political office several times before and NOT ONCE has he ever visited the hood or got with black leaders, push a cause and got resultf FOR US.

you don't have to be black to help black people..and the motherfucker is STILL running THIS YEAR...tell me when he's scheduled a time to have a town hall meeting with poor black in any city??

if not then who the fuck is he to question someone who could have left all that and black people behind cuz lord knows he's got the brains and talent to go further than the fucking presidency if he wanted..he made MORE as a successful writer BEFORE he ran for president and he'll make MORE AFTERWARDS..if anything he's taking a fucking PAY CUT to run for office..

and here go dumb niggas on here bandwagoning some bitter jew because he's not getting the same shine..

please

 

[Dkounciler]

Barack Obama sponsored a law enhancing tax credits for low-income workers.

Negotiated welfare reform.

Promoted increased subsidies for childcare.

Obama also led the passage of legislation mandating videotaping of homicide interrogations, and a law to monitor racial profiling by requiring police to record the race of drivers they stopped.

this is why black people are behind the fucking curve on shit.. you can't please a motherfucker.

big fucking whoop..environmental racism...what about COPS PULLING BLACKS OUTTA CARS RACISM...

like vegasguy said: He's run for political office several times before and NOT ONCE has he ever visited the hood or got with black leaders, push a cause and got resultf FOR US.

you don't have to be black to help black people..and the motherfucker is STILL running THIS YEAR...tell me when he's scheduled a time to have a town hall meeting with poor black in any city??

if not then who the fuck is he to question someone who could have left all that and black people behind cuz lord knows he's got the brains and talent to go further than the fucking presidency if he wanted..he made MORE as a successful writer BEFORE he ran for president and he'll make MORE AFTERWARDS..if anything he's taking a fucking PAY CUT to run for office..

and here go dumb niggas on here bandwagoning some bitter jew because he's not getting the same shine..

please

^^^^Co-Sign^^^^

Bruh the white mans ice is colder and his water is wetter. If Nader or Ron Paul were Black they'd be catching hell too from some of us. Booker T. / Dubois / Malcolm / Martin / Garvey..... Shit's the same as always, some for, some against, legit or not. Thats why a brother who has a mission to affect change gotta just do what ever the fuck he's gonna do and role with the punches

 

[geechiedan]

True leaders lead by example..they don't have time to talk and criticize..

IF Nader REALLY wanted to show just how much the plight of black america and the poor means to the system then he can and SHOULD lead a grass roots effort to garner support from the poor and disenfranchised in the country..

just like if hillary REALLY wanted to show up obama and make up for her bad vote on Iraq and PROVE shes the fighter she says she is then SHE should filibuster the FISA bill herself..

The opportunities to SHOW AND PROVE is available to anyone IF they really want to do it instead of just complaining about what someone else is NOT doing what they SHOULD do...

 

[VegasGuy]

Not true.

Nader is one of few people who has worked to address issues of environmental racism.
Air quality, water quality, the legality of putting cell towers and power plants in "the hood"

Just because he didn't have fifty-leven cameras on him and commercials about it....

The results were what???

See I remember that bullshit Nader "talked" about when he thought people were listening to him. And it wasn't the our hood he was talking about when he talked about whatever his agenda was.

He didn't do it FROM THE HOOD either. He was in some lily white meeting hall and put up slides of our hood in the presentation. In the audience? Poor whites who were his concern too at the time.

He gave lip service about some waste sites going in to poorer neighborhoods. The moment the cameras went dark on nader, the recycling centers went right on in on schedule IN OUR HOODS.

You might be able to run this shit by some on this board but I know that mother fucker nader. He's white and has a white prospective when he does shit.

You tell me, which one is black?

Nader Activism history from Wiki:

* Nader's Raiders (Federal Trade Commission)
* Vanishing Air (National Air Pollution Control Administration)
* The Chemical Feast (Food and Drug Administration)
* The Interstate Commerce Omission (Interstate Commerce Commission)
* Old Age (nursing homes)
* The Water Lords (water pollution)
* Who Runs Congress? (Congress)
* Whistle Blowing (punishment of whistle blowers)
* The Big Boys (corporate executives)
* Collision Course (Federal Aviation Administration)
* No Contest (corporate lawyers)
* Destroy the Forest (Destruction of ecosystems worldwide)
* Operation: Nuclear (Making of a nuclear missile)

Then this Non-profit organizations

In 1980, Nader resigned as director of Public Citizen to work on other projects, forcefully campaigning against what he believed to be the dangers of large multinational corporations. He went on to start a variety of non-profit organizations:

* Capitol Hill News Service
* Citizen Advocacy Center
* Citizens Utility Boards
* Congress Accountability Project
* Consumer Task Force For Automotive Issues
* Corporate Accountability Research Project
* Disability Rights Center
* Equal Justice Foundation
* Foundation for Taxpayers and Consumer Rights
* Georgia Legal Watch
* National Citizens' Coalition for Nursing Home Reform
* National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
* Pension Rights Center
* PROD (truck safety)
* Retired Professionals Action Group
* The Shafeek Nader Trust for the Community Interest
* 1969: Center for the Study of Responsive Law
* 1970s: Public Interest Research Groups
* 1970: Center for Auto Safety
* 1970: Connecticut Citizen Action Group
* 1971: Aviation Consumer Action Project



* 1972: Clean Water Action Project
* 1972: Center for Women's Policy Studies
* 1980: Multinational Monitor (magazine covering multinational corporations)
* 1982: Trial Lawyers for Public Justice
* 1982: Essential Information (encourage citizen activism and do investigative journalism)
* 1983: Telecommunications Research and Action Center
* 1983: National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
* 1989: Princeton Project 55 (alumni public service)
* 1993: Appleseed Foundation (local change)
* 1994: Resource Consumption Alliance (conserve trees)
* 1995: Center for Insurance Research
* 1995: Consumer Project on Technology
* 1997?: Government Purchasing Project (encourage purchase of safe products)
* 1998: Center for Justice and Democracy
* 1998: Organization for Competitive Markets
* 1998: American Antitrust Institute (ensure fair competition)
* 1999?: Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest
* 1999?: Commercial Alert (protect family, community, and democracy from corporations)
* 2000: Congressional Accountability Project (fight corruption in Congress)
* 2001: Citizen Works (promote NGO cooperation, build grassroots support, and start new groups)
* 2001: Democracy Rising (hold rallies to educate and empower citizens)

-VG

 

[xeon]

I'm racking my brain to remember a time when Nader has ever tried to talk black?

When has he ever visited the hood and spent any time on black issues to improve life for black people? He's run for political office several times before and NOT ONCE has he ever visited the hood or got with black leaders, push a cause and got resultf FOR US.

Nader and this post can go suck a dick.

-VG

Actually Nader and the Green party has talked about the subject of REAL reparations for black people. I always watch when white people call out the "white power structure". They get put on the shit list really quick. Michael Moore isn't a politician, but he exposes a lot of bullshit through films. He was on Larry King calling out the fact that Clinton tried to scare white people by using what he called the "F' word which we all know stands for Farrakhan.

Obama needs to not be too quick to brush Nader off, because he has nothing to lose.

 

[Wootten Hathaway]

Senator Obama said earlier today that I haven't been paying attention to his campaign.

Actually, I have.

And it's clear from Senator Obama's campaign that he is not willing to tackle the white power structure - whether in the form of the corporate power structure or many of the super-rich - who are taking advantage of 100 million low income Americans who are suffering in poverty or near poverty.

Senator Obama is opposed to single payer national health insurance.

Why?

Because he favors the health insurance giants over the millions of Americans in poverty or near poverty who are uninsured or under-insured. Eighteen thousand Americans die every year because they cannot afford health insurance, according to the Institute of Medicine.

Senator Obama wants to expand the military budget which is loaded with waste, fraud and abuse - instead of cutting it and investing the long ignored peace dividend in the inner cities with good jobs and public works - including schools, clinics, and libraries.

Why?

Because he fears and favors those thousands of lobbyists in charge of enlarging the military industrial complex that President Eisenhower warned us against.

Senator Obama says he favors a living wage. But he doesn't say he would immediately increase the minimum wage to $10 an hour, which is the equivalent of the 1968 minimum wage adjusted for inflation - because by doing so he would offend the big corporations who exploit labor in places like Wal-Mart and fast food chains. (The minimum wage needs to be increased immediately, not phased in over a number of years, as Senator Obama would have it.)

So Senator Obama, let's get specific.

We're looking for deeds, not, as Shakespeare put it, words, words, mere words.

Your public career, which I have also been paying attention to, is long on words, and short on action when it comes to consumer protection, cracking down on corporate crime, curbing the violence of toxic environmental racism, and extending clean, affordable public transit, among other issues.

For the purposes of the here and now, three things:

One, why don't you support single payer national health insurance, which is supported by a majority of doctors and the American people?

Two, why do you favor expanding the military budget which is replete with waste, fraud and abuse?

And three, why don't you come out and support an immediate increase of the minimum wage to $10 an hour?

When can we expect the authenticity of hope and change?

This is over the average Obama supporter's head. I don't think an obama-ite can comprehend Truth.




Wootten Hathaway

 

[VegasGuy]

Actually Nader and the Green party has talked about the subject of REAL reparations for black people. I always watch when white people call out the "white power structure". They get put on the shit list really quick. Michael Moore isn't a politician, but he exposes a lot of bullshit through films. He was on Larry King calling out the fact that Clinton tried to scare white people by using what he called the "F' word which we all know stands for Farrakhan.

Obama needs to not be too quick to brush Nader off, because he has nothing to lose.

Show me what he did to make that a reality. Show me what work he did in the reparations record. Show me what results he had.

I'll wait.

-VG

 

[The Black HHH]

The results were what???

See I remember that bullshit Nader "talked" about when he thought people were listening to him. And it wasn't the our hood he was talking about when he talked about whatever his agenda was.

He didn't do it FROM THE HOOD either. He was in some lily white meeting hall and put up slides of our hood in the presentation. In the audience? Poor whites who were his concern too at the time.

He gave lip service about some waste sites going in to poorer neighborhoods. The moment the cameras went dark on nader, the recycling centers went right on in on schedule IN OUR HOODS.

You might be able to run this shit by some on this board but I know that mother fucker nader. He's white and has a white prospective when he does shit.

You tell me, which one is black?

Nader Activism history from Wiki:

* Nader's Raiders (Federal Trade Commission)
* Vanishing Air (National Air Pollution Control Administration)
* The Chemical Feast (Food and Drug Administration)
* The Interstate Commerce Omission (Interstate Commerce Commission)
* Old Age (nursing homes)
* The Water Lords (water pollution)
* Who Runs Congress? (Congress)
* Whistle Blowing (punishment of whistle blowers)
* The Big Boys (corporate executives)
* Collision Course (Federal Aviation Administration)
* No Contest (corporate lawyers)
* Destroy the Forest (Destruction of ecosystems worldwide)
* Operation: Nuclear (Making of a nuclear missile)

Then this Non-profit organizations

In 1980, Nader resigned as director of Public Citizen to work on other projects, forcefully campaigning against what he believed to be the dangers of large multinational corporations. He went on to start a variety of non-profit organizations:

* Capitol Hill News Service
* Citizen Advocacy Center
* Citizens Utility Boards
* Congress Accountability Project
* Consumer Task Force For Automotive Issues
* Corporate Accountability Research Project
* Disability Rights Center
* Equal Justice Foundation
* Foundation for Taxpayers and Consumer Rights
* Georgia Legal Watch
* National Citizens' Coalition for Nursing Home Reform
* National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
* Pension Rights Center
* PROD (truck safety)
* Retired Professionals Action Group
* The Shafeek Nader Trust for the Community Interest
* 1969: Center for the Study of Responsive Law
* 1970s: Public Interest Research Groups
* 1970: Center for Auto Safety
* 1970: Connecticut Citizen Action Group
* 1971: Aviation Consumer Action Project



* 1972: Clean Water Action Project
* 1972: Center for Women's Policy Studies
* 1980: Multinational Monitor (magazine covering multinational corporations)
* 1982: Trial Lawyers for Public Justice
* 1982: Essential Information (encourage citizen activism and do investigative journalism)
* 1983: Telecommunications Research and Action Center
* 1983: National Coalition for Universities in the Public Interest
* 1989: Princeton Project 55 (alumni public service)
* 1993: Appleseed Foundation (local change)
* 1994: Resource Consumption Alliance (conserve trees)
* 1995: Center for Insurance Research
* 1995: Consumer Project on Technology
* 1997?: Government Purchasing Project (encourage purchase of safe products)
* 1998: Center for Justice and Democracy
* 1998: Organization for Competitive Markets
* 1998: American Antitrust Institute (ensure fair competition)
* 1999?: Arizona Center for Law in the Public Interest
* 1999?: Commercial Alert (protect family, community, and democracy from corporations)
* 2000: Congressional Accountability Project (fight corruption in Congress)
* 2001: Citizen Works (promote NGO cooperation, build grassroots support, and start new groups)
* 2001: Democracy Rising (hold rallies to educate and empower citizens)

-VG

Do Black people breathe?
Dumb nigga.

 

[da_monumental_1]

Do Black people breathe?
Dumb nigga.

^^^

Not taking sides, but damn.

 

[ScottFree]

Real talk:

If Nadar gave a fuck, he would run for more than President. He would be in the legislative branch. But he hasn't and won't because he is an egotistical fuck.

Nadar's policies are the the equivalent of Palenstinians that demand Israel vacate Jerusalem or cats that expect reparations. Shit isn't happening. Its juvenile, dorm room, blunt haze 'politics' that never goes anywhere.

You want to know why the country is fucked up right now and why a liar and crook is sitting in the white house? People like Nadar and his supporters that can't understand that government doesn't have to be run like the Make a Wish Foundation in order to be effective.

Peace.

 

[malaki]

This is over the average Obama supporter's head. I don't think an obama-ite can comprehend Truth.




Wootten Hathaway

Big talk from somebody with Ronald "young bucks and welfare queens" Reagan as his profile picture.

 

[sharkbait28]

Big talk from somebody with Ronald "young bucks and welfare queens" Reagan as his profile picture.

Word up. Wooten/Bad Debt up to his old shenanigans.

Y'all need to kill this shit. Nader never cost anyone any election, he's agitating for the kind of change that Obama can never (ever) campaign on, and despite all the good things he offers as a candidate Obama is simply not very progressive.

So of course Nader is gonna get at him. He's right to do so and I hope he helps to actually pave the way for a legitimate third party out here (that can actually field a viable candidate).

Vote Obama (yeah....HHH, vote Obama gotdammit lol), recognize that Obama's policies are infinitely better than McCain's... but don't shit all over Nader cause you don't understand his agenda. If he was truly egotistical.....he could have marketed his achievements much better. Controversy is the only way he can get his message out there.

 

[bizzyboddy]

Word up. Wooten/Bad Debt up to his old shenanigans.

Y'all need to kill this shit. Nader never cost anyone any election, he's agitating for the kind of change that Obama can never (ever) campaign on, and despite all the good things he offers as a candidate Obama is simply not very progressive.

So of course Nader is gonna get at him. He's right to do so and I hope he helps to actually pave the way for a legitimate third party out here (that can actually field a viable candidate).

Vote Obama (yeah....HHH, vote Obama gotdammit lol), recognize that Obama's policies are infinitely better than McCain's... but don't shit all over Nader cause you don't understand his agenda. If he was truly egotistical.....he could have marketed his achievements much better. Controversy is the only way he can get his message out there.

Co-sign x100

 

[audio syndicate]

really HHH, who fucking cares what nader thinks? wasn't he the reason idiot george was elected

no, he wasn't

 

[audio syndicate]

I'm racking my brain to remember a time when Nader has ever tried to talk black?

When has he ever visited the hood and spent any time on black issues to improve life for black people? He's run for political office several times before and NOT ONCE has he ever visited the hood or got with black leaders, push a cause and got resultf FOR US.

Nader and this post can go suck a dick.

-VG

oddly enough, that isn't true either. nader actually lives in DC off the U street corridor. for someone who's as popular in some circles as he is, he's extremely accessible. you actually see him walking around the dupont circle area of DC sometimes.

ironically, neither has obama

 

[Hilltop Hustla]

I've said it before, but when you know you aren't going to win...it's easy to make promises and talk shit. If Nader and the Green party were serious, they would be trying to get spots in Congress...not running for President for show. Tell me...if Nader wins...what then? Congress is full of people that don't support him...he would never get anything passed. He would then compromise and be doing the same shit Obama is doing. I swear...some of you mofos just complain to be complaining.

 

[AgentCreed]

so basically in a nut shell nader wants obama to start cursing out white people and riling up black folks....hmmmm and black triple h supports him...not a shock...
another pointless attack thread b/c obama isn't militant enough for his vote
obama will never tell white folk to eat a dick or call them devil he will use them to win.
what nader is doing is spreading confusion amongst confused voters who don't know where obama stands either by choice or ignoring his message.
also nader would have no place to argue if obama wins and has a successful presidential term under mccain he would have a place to bitch and complain.

what i find funny is nader says obama doesnt want to help the inner city when obama began his career of service in the inncer city...whereas rich ole ralph nader has never been to the hood obama has been there and has worked there and has lived there.

so how the fuck is rich white ralph nader gonna tell a black man who has been in the hood how to help the hood?

if ralph wants to enact social change instead of running for president run for congress or senate, get support there create a 3rd party to rival the big two he runs every election and in between he does what? with his money and resources he could be a solid congressman and leader of a 3rd party instead of spoiler for the dem's so he can have a platform to complain on...

but nah he's just gonna say a black man is talking white(wtf is talking white?)...
you sure know how to pick winners black triple h

 

[ClevelandDawg216]

I've said it before, but when you know you aren't going to win...it's easy to make promises and talk shit. If Nader and the Green party were serious, they would be trying to get spots in Congress...not running for President for show. Tell me...if Nader wins...what then? Congress is full of people that don't support him...he would never get anything passed. He would then compromise and be doing the same shit Obama is doing. I swear...some of you mofos just complain to be complaining.

bullseye.

 

[The Black HHH]

Vote Obama (yeah....HHH, vote Obama gotdammit lol), recognize that Obama's policies are infinitely better than McCain's... but don't shit all over Nader cause you don't understand his agenda. If he was truly egotistical.....he could have marketed his achievements much better. Controversy is the only way he can get his message out there.

Name one "policy" of McCain's that is worse than Obama's and I will consider it.

Both want war with Iran.
Both want to restrict civil liberties
Both deny the facts about 9/11
Both voted to increase military budget spending
Both voted to continue fake-ass war on terror in Iraq and Afghan
Both are against (and have voted against) letting Americans get cheaper prescription drugs from Canada
Both are against impeaching Bush and Cheney for war crimes
Both worship Israel and try to "out love" Israel
Both voted for the NEW PATRIOT Act
Both want to restrict nuclear weapons in "brown" parts of the world, while the US is building new ones
Both support a National Missle Defense system that will NEVER WORK
BOTH support Telecom Immunity (fuck speeches, your vote matters)

Only significant differences are:

McCain as a POW will definitely close Guantanamo
and
Obama may be able to dance on beat during his inaugural ceremonies.



This is the SAME JOHN MCCAIN that "progressive" democrats BEGGED to switch parties and run as VP with John Kerry in '04. They are NOT different. They look different.