just curious.
so how do you think sean levert's kids will feel about their mom?
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natural causes. so i'm assuming heart attack. but i'm sure the stress of knowing you have to sit in jail for years over some money is enough to get to anyone.
That is hard to say not knowing what type of relationship she has with her kids Da Don. Depending on how they are informed about their fathers passing, they may grow closer with her or hold some resentment.
i heard he died from passing out after an anxiety attack on the steve harvey morning show.
this shouldn't affect how they feel about their mom--judges order warrants for non-payment of child support. even if the mother was in charge of this, he still should've been responsible for his child support obligation. he was $80,000 in arrears...not $8
this shouldn't affect how they feel about their mom--judges order warrants for non-payment of child support. even if the mother was in charge of this, he still should've been responsible for his child support obligation. he was $80,000 in arrears...not $8
What kind of parent was he? Was he there for his kids in more than a financial sense or was he a deadbeat?
If he was a good father and she had him caught up in this bullshit system then I can understand there being some form of resentment.
For now they are all too young to truly understand the situation anyway. How can an 11 - 15 yr old resent someone?
If he was a good father and she had him caught up in this bullshit system then I can understand there being some form of resentment.
For now they are all too young to truly understand the situation anyway. How can an 11 - 15 yr old resent someone?
RIP Sean Levert
But...$80,000...I think he caught himself up in the system...sadly enough
That is what he owed the state for child support. We don't know what he did for his children.
I kinda feel you, but not really. It's what he owed his kids, not the State. The State doesn't pay child support if a parent fails to pay.
It just raises a lot of doubt about how a man feels about his kids if he doesn't pay child support. It's just sooooo irresponsible.
Yes, he could have spent a lot of time with them, and I hope he did.
he did a lot for his kids. the system just basically bent him over.
like i said previously, it's one thing if your just not paying. it's something entirely different if your ordered to pay thousands of dollars a month based upon who you are and what you use to make at one time and your only making a fraction of what you were making and just can't pay it.
but all this sidesteps the question. so i should ask another way.
how would you feel when you became of age to understand if the same situation happened with your father? who would you be angry at?
how would you feel when you became of age to understand if the same situation happened with your father? who would you be angry at?
the issue with this whole thread is that the men can't admit when someone is wrong. he was wrong for not paying child support. contrary to what people think, child support is based on the income of both parents; not who a person is. too many men think they allllways pay too much. but, it's against the law for a judge to just "make something up" from the bench.
why is the mother being blamed? it's no one's fault how he died. it's not the mother's fault. it's not sean levert's fault. it's not the system's fault. this is an unfortunate situation that no one could have predicted.
i know the system can be shitty, but it's not always the system fuckin people over. as black people we are way too quick to blame the system.
why is the mother being blamed? it's no one's fault how he died. it's not the mother's fault. it's not sean levert's fault. it's not the system's fault. this is an unfortunate situation that no one could have predicted.
i know the system can be shitty, but it's not always the system fuckin people over. as black people we are way too quick to blame the system.
What if he gave the cash directly to his family as opposed to having gone through the system? I know that isn't the smartest thing in the world but it's possible.
I feel what you are saying about that being irresponsible and I agree if he was making his children go without whether he could afford to or not. But if he was doing for his children off the books then that is a different story.
if my daddy wouldn't doing shit for me i would tell him to fuck off.
if he was in my life and taking care of me but not taking care of my mom to her liking then i would be pissed at her
if he was in my life and taking care of me but not taking care of my mom to her liking then i would be pissed at her
see you keep missing the story.
it's not that he did not pay child support. he couldn't afford to pay the amount they were demanding. if your ordered to pay 6k plus a month and your only making 3k what's going to happen? if they deny you any altering of the ordered amount based upon "what could happen if you made another song" what are you going to do? he paid what he could but in the courts eyes it wasn't enough.
now if he just wasn't paying anything, that would be another story.
what it comes down to is the system is fucked. he should have never ever died in a jail cell, not over something that he had no control over. your thinking 80k over a period of a long time. hell no, try a few years.
Kids understand what little they can and that can give them plenty to be resentful over. Plenty. If you don't know that, you don't know much about kids. Any divorce or separation is NOT just between the adults...it's the kids too and plenty of negative stuff can come up that will be with them for YEARS to come.
My mother died when I was younger than they are. The depression lasted until I was 13 or 14...and that's WITH being sent to therapy by my father. It was deep and it was certainly real. Don't underestimate the effect on them.
so you're assuming he was broke AND that the order was that much over his income. Why?
Why do men always act like they have no rights? Always shifting blame
How did he have no control over over it? Yes, he did.
I agree that he should have never died in a jail cell. I'll say it again--It's no one's fault that this happened.
LoneStar29
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C/S ... beautifully written
The boys are blaming the mother without even really knowing the whole story ... being $80,000 behind on child support is alot of money ... I'm sure he isn't as innocent as the boys are trying to make him out to be ... with that being said it is still a loss so may he rest in peace(I had to throw that in so Da Don wouldn't ban me for having a diff opinion than him)
C/S ... beautifully written
The boys are blaming the mother without even really knowing the whole story ... being $80,000 behind on child support is alot of money ... I'm sure he isn't as innocent as the boys are trying to make him out to be ... with that being said it is still a loss so may he rest in peace(I had to throw that in so Da Don wouldn't ban me for having a diff opinion than him)
Nah I don't think anyone is trying to blame the mother. I just asked some questions here and there. I don't know enough about the situation to really even form an opinion.
Sorry for you loss.
I wasn't saying that the children aren't affected but as a child you are in the dark about a lot of things that go on between your parents. You might be hurt by your mother wanting a divorce from your father but you don't know that he was an alcoholic and a gambler putting your future in danger. Thats what I mean when I say they are too young to truly understand.
LoneStar29
Banned
Exactly ... this is how I feel too ... we don't really know the whole story ... you may not be blaming the mother but Da Don and the other notorious girl-hating boys on the next side are ... I know Da Don will come in here saying that is not what he is doing but from the questions he is asking alone proves that he is putting the blame somewhere
I don't know any of the details of Sean's child support or his arrears. I do know that the concept of putting someone in jail for not being able to pay child support is fuggin nuts. I wouldn't be surprised if his cs was based on when he was making more money & it wasn't modified when he fell off. IMO, if his kids' mom knew he wasn't making any money and tried to still collect cs based on an unrealistic current income...
that's fucked up...but that's just speculation. I'd like to here her side of the story.
that's fucked up...but that's just speculation. I'd like to here her side of the story.
I don't know any of the details of Sean's child support or his arrears. I do know that the concept of putting someone in jail for not being able to pay child support is fuggin nuts. I wouldn't be surprised if his cs was based on when he was making more money & it wasn't modified when he fell off. IMO, if his kids' mom knew he wasn't making any money and tried to still collect cs based on an unrealistic current income...
The point is it has nothing to do with her; it's a court order. If he can't obey it HE had to file for a modification. The fact is there has to be some type of punishment for not paying child support. Getting arrested for it doesn't just happen. People fail to pay forever and they are warned.
I dont get how the Mom can ever be blamed. Men, I tell ya...
LoneStar29
Banned
One would hope, that the children will view their mother as looking out for their well being. Their father's death was based on a stressful but managable situation...
C/S again ... it's always our fault no matter what you should know that by now
You're right. I didn't want to bring it to this level, but this is the very problem between black men and black women. It is apparent from this convo who gets blamed and who doesnt take responsibility for their actions. (not all black men)
and in response to if he could have given the money to the family directly...
of course he could have; if he and the mother could get along. that is not smart on either end. there would be no proof he paid and no proof that she actually has it. it's smarter to go to court to protect everybody.
unfortunately, there aren't many situations where exes trust each other to hook something like that up.
Overall, it's a shame that the first thing men think is that she's a blood sucker. He didn't do what he was supposed to do, but it ain't his fault. Tired of hearind that mess...
Filing a modification and having it accepted are two totally different things. Take it from someone who has been there. When I went to court for a modification, I could prove that I wasn't making as much as they were trying to imply...didn't matter. Child custody & support is one area men get fucked on the regular.
I'm not a violent person, but I'd love to kick the person's ass that made some of these laws.Women can be blamed when they're being unreasonable. If a woman is asking for money that she knows her baby's dad can't provide...she's WRONG.
Sometimes it's not her asking. It's that she got welfare benefits and the STATE is after him for the money. You can't modify that very much at all. I know a guy who gave the woman money but wont tell the court that BECAUSE he doesn't want her to go to jail for fraud. Sigh.Filing a modification and having it accepted are two totally different things. Take it from someone who has been there. When I went to court for a modification, I could prove that I wasn't making as much as they were trying to imply...didn't matter. Child custody & support is one area men get fucked on the regular.
Women can be blamed when they're being unreasonable. If a woman is asking for money that she knows her baby's dad can't provide...she's WRONG.
LoneStar29
Banned
I'll agree with that ... but we don't know if that is the case ... so it doesn't make much sense that the men automatically start hating on the mom like she did something wrong
If he was giving her the money directly instead of doing it how the court ordered him too that was a stupid mistake on his part ... I'm sure there is wrong on both parties ... I hate that this issue has become men against women without everybody actuallyknowing the full story and in the womens defense ... you boys started it
God this thread deteriorated I knew it would. I get so sick of this man versus woman shit. Men don't take responsibility Women Asking for too much money. Dammit people what the fuck is wrong with us. This is so discouraging, the reason I had left SOL alone in the first place.
Put the swords away for minute people
Put the swords away for minute people
Why do you assume she asked for too much? Just cuz he owed a lot? You put NO responsibility on him whatsover to take care of his own situation.
The fact that men think the system is COMPLETELY not forgiving to them is ridiculous...that no matter what you're paying too much. Guess what, maybe YOU think it's too much...but guess what, KIDS COST A LOT!
$80,000 for three children though? He was probably ordered to pay about 1/3 of his assessed income. Does anyone know how many months you have to be behind before they lock you up?
Show me where I ,DarkCity, Said that she asked for too much or put no responsibility on her.
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