He aint the man when it comes to black film. Spike Lee, F. Gary Gray, Antwoine Fuqua & John Singleton are the men.
Why Do Black People Love Tyler Perry?
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I'm not mad at him I always respect successful hustlers....but Black People and other races in America are like sheep they pay first then ask later this guy knows this he may have not known at the begining and his intentions may have been genuine but truth is his plays and persona are exploitive and down right disrespectful but for entertainment and money making that concept is mute.....when white folks are paying and under writing if you can sell the tickets sell the tickets.
FUCK YOU(BLACK PEOPLE), PAY ME!
BUT LIKE I SAID I'm not mad at him he living good and eating good and so there by default "The end justifies the means!"
FUCK YOU(BLACK PEOPLE), PAY ME!
BUT LIKE I SAID I'm not mad at him he living good and eating good and so there by default "The end justifies the means!"
damn.
newbie just dropped a jewel, as dame dash would say...listen to what this guy said, its truth
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I didn't say he was.
The Tarantino reference was pointing out Tylers propensity to choose obscure ass actors that he admires, much like Tarantino.
Actors that have otherwise been forgotten by Hollywood.
And who the fuck is knocking down Spike Lee's door.
What was the last good movie he had?
F. Gary Gray sucks too...
a battle is brewing in this thread......
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"look at me. now look at you. nigga you aint wavy"
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"look at me. now look at you. nigga you aint wavy
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Inside Man is better then anything Tyler Perry has ever done. And it's no where near Spikes best work.
c/s
None of whom have as big (and loyal) a black audience as Perry does.
F. Gary Gray sucks? Yeah I'm sure that Meet The Browns or Diary Of A Mad Black Woman are far better films then The Negotiator.
Really?? How so?? (Did you see Norbit or She Hate Me?)
Did you read my comment?
I'm not comparing Spike Lee and Tyler Perry.
I don't even think Tyler Perry is good.
But Spike Lee is overrated as hell...
There are different audience for those films, as you well know. Apples and oranges. Black and white.
Maybe not. But all of them have made better movies then TP. Some even making all time greats. Boyz N The Hood, School Daze, Malcom X, Training Day, Do The Right Thing etc......
co-sign...
Tyler Perry isn't a trained filmmaker. He's made something out of NOTHING, unlike the well-schooled Spike, who's been the "chosen one" (flaws and all) for over two decades now.
Perry has been far more successful (with less industry support and money) than Spike at reaching an audience, so who's really delivering the goods to black folks?
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F. Gary Gray sucks? Yeah I'm sure that Meet The Browns or Diary Of A Mad Black Woman are far better films then The Negotiator.
You getting mad man?
I don't even like Tyler Perry movies (Why did I get married was decent however)
And yes Gray's first three movies were good.
But The Italian Job, A Man Apart, and Be Cool nigga?
Seriously?
damnit stop beign difficult o.red!
this man is speaking truth!!!!
these movies are fuckin monumental!!!!!!!
money doesnt even fuckin matter....these shits right here are classics....except maybe training day
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damnit stop beign difficult o.red!
this man is speaking truth!!!!
these movies are fuckin monumental!!!!!!!
money doesnt even fuckin matter....these shits right here are classics....except maybe training day
I'm not being difficult, he's just trying to make point out of shit I didn't say...
I'm suprised Wdigm is getting such good reviews in here. I hated that movie from the minute the typical (for Tyler perry) opening seen started. Dr. Husband, lawyer wife, Writer, And loud mouthed Black woman. It's 1+1=2 movie making and I really can't respect it or the people that eat it up.(Real talk, I lost a modicum of respect for my current fling because of that movie and the way she ate it up.)
That being said, Tyler Perry the movie maker fills a niche and fills it well, can't hate on that. Just not my cup of tea.
That being said, Tyler Perry the movie maker fills a niche and fills it well, can't hate on that. Just not my cup of tea.
You cats are harsh as FUCK. Ninjas have short memories, too. Spike has made some phenomenal movies - even in the past few years. 25th Hour(excellent), The Inside Man (good), When The Leeves Broke(excellent), Summer of Sam(incredibly underrated gem), He Got Game (wow)....all fantastic movies. Of course Spike doesn't have the audience of Tyler P.
Spike makes art house, Scorcesse-type movies, while Tyler P. makes John Hughes movies for black folks.
Neither hustle is bad. When I want to see a Tyler movie, it hits the spot for what I need at that moment. Like a Starbucks expresso. When I want to see a Spike EXPERIENCE - and you're not always in the mood for that - That's like drinking Water. It's Nourishment.
But Neither hustle is bad, fam.
WTF??? What's he "exploiting?" Decent black "family" life? Religion? Real feelings and emotions between black folk (that don't involve guns, strippers and drugs)?
I don't like him either but I can say that Stringer Bell was the good guy in the one about the three little girls and the bad guy was sorta light skinned.
Don't just name the good shit, you gotta name the garbage too.
And I'm not saying that Spike Lee sucks, he's just overrated...
I agree with you on the fact that he seems to pick actors that he likes, but you can't diss Spike fam. He pretty much gave Denzel and Wesley their careers. Any black actor would kill to be in anything his name is attached to. He's working on a war movie right now that is supposed to be kinda large.
Are you attempting to state that TP characters dont exploit stereotypes of black people? Come on now, i'm sure your smarter then that.
Denzel??? No.
If so, then they're mostly good and realistic stereotypes, though I'm not sure what you're talking about. You need heroes, villains and certain contrived situations in order to tell a moralistic story.
As stated earlier, Perry isn't the most talented (or complex) writer and certainly isn't yet a skilled director, but he's definitely sincere in telling the type of black (soap opera-style) stories that WHITES get to see ALL the time on the big and small screen. There's room for him at the table alongside the violence and sex junkies who represent the more "hip" spectrum of black filmmakers.
Besides all that, he always uses a virtually ALL-BLACK (and extremely talented) cast, which other black filmmakers rarely do these days.
Who else is giving Kimberly Elise (a MONSTER talent) and Angela Bassett, among other fine black actresses and actors, lead roles in major releases these days? Dude is a Godsend to the black acting community, and is providing a model for more talented (film-schooled, original) black filmmakers to follow,
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Wow in a metaphoric way you prove my point, right here in this thread you have exploited what I stated in my reply and turned it completely into another story....
If you could profit from that then you are a shrewd hustler, which was my point TP's plays, movies and books are horrible and very exploitive but they are also entertaining to the non-critical consumer therefore he's cornering that market share of entertainment thus he's getting paid and even has black people defending the concept.
Once again I state like in my earlier ( I'm NOT hating..) but I clearly see both sides his product and success altho he is exploiting Blacks....You(BLUNT) using a master like Eddie Murphy to justify this brings the point HOME....Eddie is a master at exploiting Black People too....
but those who get mad at this or criticize it are missing the point these guys have made enuf money to feed sooo many whether they do or not is not relevant just understand that most of those who criticize are probably stugling financially themselves....
POINT MADE I CO-SIGN MYSELF even tho' I probably went over most folks head...
True. True. Not Hating TP. But come to think of it, all the villians are dark skinned and a all the light skinned guys in his movies are heroes.Wow in a metaphoric way you prove my point, right here in this thread you have exploited what I stated in my reply and turned it completely into another story....
If you could profit from that then you are a shrewd hustler, which was my point TP's plays, movies and books are horrible and very exploitive but they are also entertaining to the non-critical consumer therefore he's cornering that market share of entertainment thus he's getting paid and even has black people defending the concept.
Once again I state like in my earlier ( I'm NOT hating..) but I clearly see both sides his product and success altho he is exploiting Blacks....You(BLUNT) using a master like Eddie Murphy to justify this brings the point HOME....Eddie is a master at exploiting Black People too....
but those who get mad at this or criticize it are missing the point these guys have made enuf money to feed sooo many whether they do or not is not relevant just understand that most of those who criticize are probably stugling financially themselves....
POINT MADE I CO-SIGN MYSELF even tho' I probably went over most folks head...
I'm not gonna lie, I am a little defensive about Spike. That cat put his whole career towards chronicling the African American experience. He might have some polarizing opinions, but there are some cats that talk good shit and other cats that just do it. Sometimes it's not always successful, but in my book, that filmmaker has a 20 year history of saying "fuck you, I'm doing it."
In my opinion, he hasn't made any 'garbage'. He's made films that aren't as good as other films he's made. She Hate Me wasn't a high point, but I enjoyed watching it. Bamboozled was powerful, but it was an ugly-looking movie without the hand of Ernest Dickerson helping on the cinematography. That's just me, though. Crooklyn was a fantastic looking movie that is a personal favorite, but was perhaps better suited for television than a cinematic experience. Sucka Free City was confused about whether it wanted to be a movie or a pilot. Miracle's Boys was good, but again, didn't have the legs to be anything longer than what it was.
Spielburg, Scorcesse, Lucas, Coppola, Tarantino, Anderson, hell...ALL filmmakers have movies that aren't always benchmark films. Sometimes the filmmaker is just exercising the muscle and has a story to tell that needs to get out of their systems.
Also, somebody earlier started dogging F.Gary Gray and other black filmmakers. I don't get this. F. Gary Gray is making movies because he wants the paycheck. There are HUNDREDS of white filmmakers who do this. Every filmmaker isn't a "name" or has "something profound to say".
People tried to pin that shit on Singleton and the Hughes Brothers, and they just make the shit they want to make. Some of it is profound. Some of it isn't.
Hell, with Singleton, MOST of it isn't...and that's cool, too.
And BLUNT is spitting REAL TALK. Tyler is putting black talent to work in positive movies. They might not be the deepest movies, but they can certainly be refreshing.
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