Ban Hand Guns Now!!

The cure is worse than the disease

In a pattern that's repeated itself in Canada and Australia, violent crime has continued to go up in Great Britain despite a complete ban on handguns, most rifles and many shotguns. The broad ban that went into effect in 1997 was trumpeted by the British government as a cure for violent crime. The cure has proven to be much worse than the disease.

Crime rates in England have skyrocketed since the ban was enacted. According to economist John Lott of the American Enterprise Institute, the violent crime rate has risen 69 percent since 1996, with robbery rising 45 percent and murders rising 54 percent. This is even more alarming when you consider that from 1993 to 1997 armed robberies had fallen by 50 percent. Recent information released by the British Home Office shows that trend is continuing.

Reports released in October 2004 indicate that during the second quarter of 2004, violent crime rose 11 percent; violence against persons rose 14 percent.

The British experience is further proof that gun bans don't reduce crime and, in fact, may increase it. The gun ban creates ready victims for criminals, denying law-abiding people the opportunity to defend themselves.

contrast, the number of privately owned guns in the United States rises by about 5 million a year, according to the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives. The number of guns owned by Americans is at an all-time high, fast approaching 300 million.

Meanwhile the FBI reports that in 2003 the nation's violent crime rate declined for the 12th straight year to a 27-year low. The FBI's figures are based on crimes reported to police. By comparison, the U.S. Department of Justice reported in September that, according to its annual national crime victim survey, violent crime reached a 30-year low in 2003.

Right-to-Carry states fared better than the rest of the country in 2003. On the whole, their total violent crime, murder and robbery rates were 6 percent, 2 percent and 23 percent lower respectively than the states and the District of Columbia where carrying a firearm for protection against criminals is prohibited or severely restricted. On average in Right-to-Carry states the total violent crime, murder, robbery and aggravated assault rates were lower by 27 percent, 32 percent, 45 percent and 20 percent respectively.

As usual, most of the states with the lowest violent crime rates are those with the least gun control, including those in the Rocky Mountain region, and Maine, New Hampshire and Ver-mont in the Northeast. The District of Columbia and Maryland, which have gun bans and other severe restrictions on gun purchase and ownership, retained their regrettable distinctions as having the highest murder and robbery rates.


http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/firearms/control/ukutopia.html
 
lol dude dont just go googling article agianst banning guns without checking your sources. Look at some of the other articles this fool you quoted puts out he FEELS that there shouldnt be Legislation against HATE crimes!

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/hatecrimes.html

and hes against affirmative action!

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/affact.html

oh wait it doesnt stop

hes also against black protesting!

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/vinest.html

of course Right wings will protect this shit but Right wings arent the ones getting killed by this inner city violence.

Like most problems banning guns will never happen but making it harder to get them may help some! Oh hisarticle also doesnt mention that PERCENTAGE wise even though the UKs violent gun crime rate has doubles it still pales in comparison to that of the US.
 
Sorry man, I can't agree here. People must have the right to protect themselves. Not because of the criminals, but because of the government. People should not give up their only means of power in a revolt. If some wild shit goes down in the whitehouse and they want to re-institute slavery, "Im one with my gun".

That's the real reason it is in the constitution

:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:i agree.....
 
:yes::yes::yes::yes::yes:i agree.....

and you really think you with you Semiautomatic or Handgun would be able to stand up to this shit?

http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=250418

Does the average 9-5 got his gun at the Gun show at the fairgrounds American know anything about military or survival. In Iraq, Afghanistan and in many other war torn nations there are probably 15 year olds that know more about that shit than you do and they are organized. Yet they still get took down with no hesitation. Please, the me vs the government argument is dead/pointless.

1 out of ever 2 black female teenagers has an STD some of those will carry on to our CHILDREN AND GRANDCHILDREN hows your gun going to help you then. I guess one half of our kids can be in Jail(basically slavery) and the other half can be in the hospital, why dont you go use your gun on the government for that. LOL
 
lol dude dont just go googling article agianst banning guns without checking your sources. Look at some of the other articles this fool you quoted puts out he FEELS that there shouldnt be Legislation against HATE crimes!

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/hatecrimes.html

and hes against affirmative action!

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/affact.html

oh wait it doesnt stop

hes also against black protesting!

http://www.liberty-page.com/issues/vinest.html

of course Right wings will protect this shit but Right wings arent the ones getting killed by this inner city violence.

Like most problems banning guns will never happen but making it harder to get them may help some! Oh hisarticle also doesnt mention that PERCENTAGE wise even though the UKs violent gun crime rate has doubles it still pales in comparison to that of the US.


This present discussion is about guns and guns only. People can agree about some things and disagree about others.

I'm against hate crime legislation also. God forbid I get in an altercation with a nonblack and get knocked on a "hate crime" charge. The law works both ways man.
 
This present discussion is about guns and guns only. People can agree about some things and disagree about others.

I'm against hate crime legislation also. God forbid I get in an altercation with a nonblack and get knocked on a "hate crime" charge. The law works both ways man.


And you dont feel that because of his biased rants on other subjects that, the aforementioned article wasnt biased in anyway?

He put out just the gun violence numbers he doesnt put out the other factors that affect high crime rates which makes his argument onesided. Being black and in America we know Guns dont kill people, The effects of the Drugs, Economy, Unemployment rates, Education, Weather effect the crime rate. Which are directly related with people being killed by Guns.
 
What's biased about stating more gun control leads to more gun crime. Am I missing something?

Go ahead and let the goverment protect you, I choose to protect myself.
 
You are entitled to your opinion and I respect that I just feel that the article submitted is biased and onesided.

Crime rates in England have skyrocketed since the ban was enacted. According to economist John Lott of the American Enterprise Institute, the violent crime rate has risen 69 percent since 1996, with robbery rising 45 percent and murders rising 54 percent. This is even more alarming when you consider that from 1993 to 1997 armed robberies had fallen by 50 percent. Recent information released by the British Home Office shows that trend is continuing.

First American Enterprise Institute is a CONSERVATIVE, Right wing Think tank, these are the same think tanks that skew data that we know thats false about our own communities. Which in my opinion flaws most of their statistical research.

I have a problem with that statement because it leaves to much, what were the nature of these crimes. Does this tie into the Economy, Immigration or Terrorism?


Now I see you point on protecting yourself, I'm personally against HANDGUNS you can protect your family with shotgun I have no problem with that, but in fairness here is an example of where people are REQUIRED TO CARRY guns by law

in Switzerland they have one of the highest rates of Gun Ownership and also have to perform MANDATORY gun ownership classes, and training every year and they have the highest Gun related deaths

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,480545,00.html
 
Fuck what yall talkin bout I live in Dallas, Texas...a city with one of the highest crime and murder rates in the country(if you add in Ft. Worth too shit its probably number one) there is no way I will not be armed to protect myself and the ones I love. :hmm:
 
First off, with all due respect, I'm not worried about a poser thinking if I got a gun or not. I don't carry one for that purpose. Second, yeah I may unfortunately get caught in a position where I cant fight back and they got me, that happens to the best, BUTif I amin a position where I see it coming and I can fight back, I'm going to unload to save my life and the life of my family. I don't think keeping a gun is going to keep someone off my ass, that's some dumb shit, BUT I DO THINK keeping a gun will allow me tha chance to protect myself or atleast take a couple of cowards with me! Violence is not only for those CAUGHT IN THE GAME, brother what world do you live in????? Most cats that claim to be thugs are cowards that will hurt anyone, not just niggas in the game! Thugs broke them rules a long time ago.

And for the record The only game I'm true to is life, and the love of my family. I been through some shit and I got allot of responsibility so I'll be damn if I let some coward just take my life with no fight!!!! But when someone runs up on you to take your shit or rape your wife, you be sure and tell them YOU AINT CAUGHT UP IN THE GAME, so they leave you alone!
If someone run up on me and take my shit, my shit is gone. If I'm alive I aint going to look for them mofos trying to claim my shit back. That's a game for super heroes and comic books and TV shows. If I walk away alive I come out ahead. Rape my wife? I'll do whatever I can within the law to bring those fuckers down but running home, grabbing my piece and heading out on a manhunt aint gonna UNRAPE her. Ignorance isn't gonna catch that sucker ass mofo. All that would do is put me behind bars for 5-15. How am I sposed to look after and protect my family from the joint? I know what I'd LIKE to do to that scurvy sonuvabitch if I caught up to him RIGHT THEN AND THERE! And I'd prolly wind up in jail for it. But after the emotions settled down and reason was regained I'd behave like the civilized law abiding citizen I am that has kept my ass alive and out of jail for 6 decades. And no I AINT 60+ years old. A person could be born in the 50s and still be under 50 :lol:

We have different outlooks on this Holmes. But I respect your view and your opinion. No insults intended. Just wanted you to step out a little further on your view :yes:
 
Damn how many times I gotta say it? Guns for home protection is fine. I'm a gun owner. And AGAIN in rural areas where neighbors need vehicles to visit each other there's no real need to ban hand guns because the population is way less. I'm talking about heavily populated cities where we have reasonable law enforcement...population centers, urban areas. You got guns in your home...FINE. The MINUTE you get caught up OUTSIDE your home with an unlicensed gun you done and I got no sympathy for you. Period. EOS. Cause if you walking around with a gun you either looking for trouble or gonna wind up killing some innocent because of it...and that makes you NO BETTER than the thugs you say you trying to protect yourself from. Unless you caught up in the game them thugs aint gunning for you so let's get that clear now but them same FOOLS still shooting and killing innocent folk. So with hand guns restricted to the home now law enforcement only has to concern themselves with those ILLEGAL gun carriers. By FULLY REGULATING, holding ACCOUNTABLE, and placing major RESTRICTIONS on, gun dealers, there won't be the flood of guns coming into our neighborhoods from interstate or out of state.

There's NO WAY this problem is going away soon. Anyone looking for this shit to be solved next week or next year is insane. But 2 years, 5 years, TEN YEARS from now our children and THEIR CHILDREN will live in a safer world. That's what I'm talking about

Again this makes no sense. My right to own and carry a gun does not end at my front door. If people couldnt carry a gun outside the home they would be attacked in their front lawn. Also where do you get this belief that city dwellers have less need of firearms then rural living folks? Crime rates are higher in the city, and I wouldnt doubt if there are less police per person in the city. BTW if you say people can have guns at home there is no way a gun ban can work because criminals will always have a fresh stream of guns to steal.
 
Again this makes no sense. My right to own and carry a gun does not end at my front door. If people couldnt carry a gun outside the home they would be attacked in their front lawn. Also where do you get this belief that city dwellers have less need of firearms then rural living folks? Crime rates are higher in the city, and I wouldnt doubt if there are less police per person in the city. BTW if you say people can have guns at home there is no way a gun ban can work because criminals will always have a fresh stream of guns to steal.
See, this is the kind of response that irritates the fuck out of me. I done addressed this shit 5 times already. If none of those answers satisfies you then fuck it. I'm tired of talking in circles
 
Banning guns only takes them away from LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. Criminals will still have guns....Do you like those odds?
 
HEY EVERYBODY LETS ALL GO TURN OUR GUNS IN TO THE POLICE! THEY WILL SERVE AND PROTECT US! WHY DO WE NEED GUNS?!?!:rolleyes:
 
See, this is the kind of response that irritates the fuck out of me. I done addressed this shit 5 times already. If none of those answers satisfies you then fuck it. I'm tired of talking in circles


I'm sorry if your responses keep getting shot down (no pun intended). You just happen to be on the wrong side of the argument this time. You cant say on one hand ban guns outside of the home but allow them on the inside of the home. People will always have a fresh supply to take from peoples homes. You cant keep harping on tightening up on gun sales because we have instant checks at the point of purchase. Maybe you meant we should stop ILLEGAL gun sales, thats right they are already ILLEGAL. You yanks already have Draconian gun laws as it as and hows that working out for you?
 
Sheeeeeiiiiid! That's how it ALREADY IS! How many law abiding peeps you know walk to the grocery store with their gun? That weapon is for when thugs trying to rob you at your crib. Law abiding peeps for the most part don't move around in public with their guns because if they got stopped or caught up in some bullshit with the cops they now going to jail for carrying an illegal firearm. Law BREAKERS think on a whole nother frequency and many of them dont give a fuck cause they aint gonna leave that four block area which is their whole world anyway.

Somewhere along the line a trust needs to be reestablished...a trust within our communities that we're gonna protect our families WITHIN THE LAW, bring a sense of security back to our communities and neighborhoods WITHIN THE LAW, show the thugs and criminal minded that they up against it from the folks who live around them and with them. See, you looking for INSTANT solutions but this is a problem that took GENERATIONS to develop. It might take just as long to make it safe. A short sighted viewpoint can't solve long term problems.

divine. you're an intelligent and thoughtful brother whom I've nodded my head to after reading many of your posts. Don't come up lame now bruh. Give a solution instead of a knee jerk reaction

Both me and my brother walk around w/ concealed guns in grocery stores and anywhere else that guns are permitted to be on your person, and guess what it's for personal safety. You go ahead and knife fight w/ that gang of goons that came to rob you, rape your wife and kids and kill your entire family, I'll stick w/ my 9 milly and .45, and the shotgun if I have to get nasty.... so fuck you and your high horse.:yes::yes: Criminals do not purchase guns legally anyway so your gun laws wouldn't mean shit to them. maybe you should've thought this out more before posting this rant
 
I believe that ALL guns should be banned and NO ONE should be allowed to have them....that includes the police.


guns are not made to protect..they are made to kill...every time a new gun comes out..it is made to be lighter, easier to use and with more power. ppl don't shoot to disable...ppl shoot to kill.


our police have become militarized...and rightfully so in some areas because our streets are

i mean you have people who have like 12 guns...for what?

they are ppl who want to be able to get machine guns? for what?


i mean how many people and places take the hit from a bullet that was un-intentional versus intentional (1 too many)

i come from the inner city where damn near EVERYONE is out to protect themselves which is understandable but the problem is...most of the ppl are walking around in a state of hyperarousal for long periods of time...which does MAJOR damage to their body and judgment...so damn near everything is DANGEROUS to them and they have to defend themselves.

then you have ppl who shoot out of boredom, or dares.


i am down for a complete ban on guns

if not a complete ban...have them in restricted areas, only hunting areas...lol

and any killings that happen outside of that area will result in a major punishment

or change the types of bullets made....i mean WHY would someone make hollow point bullets (the developers have to know that whatever they make will eventually trickle down to the street)

something has to be done and i wouldn't mind a complete ban until a possible

ERRRRN! Wrong answer. Handguns were NEVER meant to be used for offensive assualt. Their sole purpose (originally) was as a sort of last line self defense. They are not effective at long ranges ,a.k.a. what would be considered necessary for mounting offensive attacks, as they are not rifles, which are offensive weapons.

AND THAT IS LOGIC:)
 
If someone run up on me and take my shit, my shit is gone. If I'm alive I aint going to look for them mofos trying to claim my shit back. That's a game for super heroes and comic books and TV shows. If I walk away alive I come out ahead. Rape my wife? I'll do whatever I can within the law to bring those fuckers down but running home, grabbing my piece and heading out on a manhunt aint gonna UNRAPE her. Ignorance isn't gonna catch that sucker ass mofo. All that would do is put me behind bars for 5-15. How am I sposed to look after and protect my family from the joint? I know what I'd LIKE to do to that scurvy sonuvabitch if I caught up to him RIGHT THEN AND THERE! And I'd prolly wind up in jail for it. But after the emotions settled down and reason was regained I'd behave like the civilized law abiding citizen I am that has kept my ass alive and out of jail for 6 decades. And no I AINT 60+ years old. A person could be born in the 50s and still be under 50 :lol:

We have different outlooks on this Holmes. But I respect your view and your opinion. No insults intended. Just wanted you to step out a little further on your view :yes:

Jesus Christ... I seriously hope you are not in your 50's (you would have to be damn near 60 if not 60 by now homey, it's 2008) and using the vernacular and slang you're using:smh:
 
Banning guns only takes them away from LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. Criminals will still have guns....Do you like those odds?
HEY EVERYBODY LETS ALL GO TURN OUR GUNS IN TO THE POLICE! THEY WILL SERVE AND PROTECT US! WHY DO WE NEED GUNS?!?!:rolleyes:
Criminals will have guns as long as it's so easy to get them. And it's easy to get them because gun dealers are not held accountable. Gun manufacturers are not held accountable. Yep, manufacturers sell illegal guns too. And there's gotta be a way to seal off the flow of these guns. But if law abiding citizens aren't willing to do what's necessary to stop the flow of guns, if we aren't ready to take back responsibility of our violence filled neighborhoods, if we're only gonna give lip service to the fact that OUR CHILDREN ARE RUNNING US...! If we're not prepared to make a move to take back the peace and stop letting influences outside our neighborhoods dictate how we raise our own...

Then yeah, all my posts to bring awareness to this critical situation don't mean a goddam thing

And don't someone come back at me with some "This is a porn board, not a platform for social issues" bullshit. BGOL has evolved into much more than a porn board in the 2 1/2 years that I've been a member. I've stated my position and defended it without needing to resort to overwhelming statistics just a google search away. And even though it's true that the majority of the views expressed in this thread are contrary to my POV, that doesn't put me on the wrong side of the argument. It just means I'm determined to try harder to move the prevailing wind in a different direction.

We're destroying ourselves little by little each day. Don't believe me? Turn on Eyewitness News tonight wherever you are in America. See how many more of our young are either dead or going to jail for 15 to 25.
 
Jesus Christ... I seriously hope you are not in your 50's (you would have to be damn near 60 if not 60 by now homey, it's 2008) and using the vernacular and slang you're using:smh:
Figure it out...if I were born in May of 1959 that's the decade of the 50s. It's now a new millennium, the first decade of 2000. There's the 60s, 70s, 80s & 90s and the first 7 years of 2000 plus nearly 3 months of 08. Do the math :yes:
 
Let me put it to you like this... if guns were banned @ this instant (this could only happen in the US since that is the only place are laws are soverign) and all American gun companies stopped making guns at this VERY INSTANT, how many do you think would be floating around right now that have already been made? Keep in mind, guns are not like milk, they don't spoil after a few months and depending on the manufacturer could last for decades and still be firable even w/o having had maintainence in all that time
 
Criminals will have guns as long as it's so easy to get them. And it's easy to get them because gun dealers are not held accountable. Gun manufacturers are not held accountable. Yep, manufacturers sell illegal guns too. And there's gotta be a way to seal off the flow of these guns. But if law abiding citizens aren't willing to do what's necessary to stop the flow of guns, if we aren't ready to take back responsibility of our violence filled neighborhoods, if we're only gonna give lip service to the fact that OUR CHILDREN ARE RUNNING US...! If we're not prepared to make a move to take back the peace and stop letting influences outside our neighborhoods dictate how we raise our own...

Then yeah, all my posts to bring awareness to this critical situation don't mean a goddam thing

And don't someone come back at me with some "This is a porn board, not a platform for social issues" bullshit. BGOL has evolved into much more than a porn board in the 2 1/2 years that I've been a member. I've stated my position and defended it without needing to resort to overwhelming statistics just a google search away. And even though it's true that the majority of the views expressed in this thread are contrary to my POV, that doesn't put me on the wrong side of the argument. It just means I'm determined to try harder to move the prevailing wind in a different direction.

We're destroying ourselves little by little each day. Don't believe me? Turn on Eyewitness News tonight wherever you are in America. See how many more of our young are either dead or going to jail for 15 to 25.


I'm sorry dude but any way you put it, banning guns isn't going to stop criminals from having access to them. It just ISNT gonna happen. If they aren't being sold in stores they'll be getting smuggled across the border just like all other contraband. It's a good THOUGHT but i'm not giving up a gun I know is in good hands because some fool across town is shooting someone with his gun. Hell that's all the more reason for me to have mine.
 
Figure it out...if I were born in May of 1959 that's the decade of the 50s. It's now a new millennium, the first decade of 2000. There's the 60s, 70s, 80s & 90s and the first 7 years of 2000 plus nearly 3 months of 08. Do the math :yes:

So u're 49? I hope you don't hang out w/ a bunch of 20 somethings for real. You wouldn't happen to be a Q-Dog would you?:confused:

EDIT: I hope you aren't takin this personal I'm just fuckin w/ you as I have many (probably too many) crazy ass Q & old head homies and I'm in my early twan's
 
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Let me put it to you like this... if guns were banned @ this instant (this could only happen in the US since that is the only place are laws are soverign) and all American gun companies stopped making guns at this VERY INSTANT, how many do you think would be floating around right now that have already been made? Keep in mind, guns are not like milk, they don't spoil after a few months and depending on the manufacturer could last for decades and still be firable even w/o having had maintainence in all that time

Man there's still muskets from the civil war that work lol. That shit wouldn't mean anything.
 
Fuck what you heard... gun laws can work. I live in Japan and these muthafuckas gun laws are strict. You know what... they don't shoot each other. They are the model for gun law. A ban would not have an overnight effect but over time, it would work.

:yes::yes:
 
Let me put it to you like this... if guns were banned @ this instant (this could only happen in the US since that is the only place are laws are soverign) and all American gun companies stopped making guns at this VERY INSTANT, how many do you think would be floating around right now that have already been made? Keep in mind, guns are not like milk, they don't spoil after a few months and depending on the manufacturer could last for decades and still be firable even w/o having had maintainence in all that time
As I've already said a few times before, this is not a problem that will go away tomorrow or next year but if a concerted effort was made and a determined MINDSET were brought about, you'd be surprised how much and how quickly a change can occur. Without the ready access to guns flowing into the neighborhoods, once criminals and thugs know that if they lose the gun they have it's hard as hell to get another, they won't be so quick to use it. That leads to a change in MINDSET of the gun toter and the mindset of other people in the community. That mindset is felt. And it's far reaching. A change of mindset transfers the sense of power from the perpetrator to the citizen. There are always going to be fools and drugged out psychos who don't follow the norm. They are aberrations that are removed once their presence is known. (Apologies. Didn't mean to get into the subliminal mind, but it -does- work :))

A concerted effort means parents get with their kids to try and keep them from slipping towards that corner life; community leaders are out there bringing about change on the block level; local politicians are bringing about change on the district level and we as concerned citizens are doing our civic duty by making sure those politicians carry out the agenda put forth by us. It's about sacrifice for our future, which means some of us might actually have to be willing to die to save our future. What's here today doesn't have to be here 5 years from now. There's no guarantee you won't walk out your door tomorrow and be forced to put a bullet in someone's head to protect your own or be shot down because you were active in community affairs. We're living in fear of our OWN CHILDREN! How sad is that?

Five years from now that gun is gone and there won't be 20 more to replace it IF...we gain the collective MINDSET to make change now. You'd be surprised how a different way of thinking can spread from mind to mind by just doing it and showing others how by word and deed. To do nothing is defeatist and is leading us to eventual ruin. BAN ILLEGAL HAND GUNS!
 
I'm sorry dude but any way you put it, banning guns isn't going to stop criminals from having access to them. It just ISNT gonna happen. If they aren't being sold in stores they'll be getting smuggled across the border just like all other contraband. It's a good THOUGHT but i'm not giving up a gun I know is in good hands because some fool across town is shooting someone with his gun. Hell that's all the more reason for me to have mine.

CHURCH!!!
 
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Fuck what you heard... gun laws can work. I live in Japan and these muthafuckas gun laws are strict. You know what... they don't shoot each other. They are the model for gun law. A ban would not have an overnight effect but over time, it would work.
:yes::yes:

I know you didn't just co-sign a dude suggesting we model ourselves after the Japanese culture... wtf? they are pedophiles (just check the euphemisms in thier cartoons)huge racists and are slowly but surely fucking (or more accurately not fucking) themselves out of existance.:hmm:
 
BAN ILLEGAL HAND GUNS are already ban. Why do you feel a ban would make guns hard to get since they are stolen all the time?
BTW You cant compare us to Japan because they dont have 300 million guns out there already and dont have a gun culture.
 
As I've already said a few times before, this is not a problem that will go away tomorrow or next year but if a concerted effort was made and a determined MINDSET were brought about, you'd be surprised how much and how quickly a change can occur. Without the ready access to guns flowing into the neighborhoods, once criminals and thugs know that if they lose the gun they have it's hard as hell to get another, they won't be so quick to use it. That leads to a change in MINDSET of the gun toter and the mindset of other people in the community. That mindset is felt. And it's far reaching. A change of mindset transfers the sense of power from the perpetrator to the citizen. There are always going to be fools and drugged out psychos who don't follow the norm. They are aberrations that are removed once their presence is known. (Apologies. Didn't mean to get into the subliminal mind, but it -does- work :))

A concerted effort means parents get with their kids to try and keep them from slipping towards that corner life; community leaders are out there bringing about change on the block level; local politicians are bringing about change on the district level and we as concerned citizens are doing our civic duty by making sure those politicians carry out the agenda put forth by us. It's about sacrifice for our future, which means some of us might actually have to be willing to die to save our future. What's here today doesn't have to be here 5 years from now. There's no guarantee you won't walk out your door tomorrow and be forced to put a bullet in someone's head to protect your own or be shot down because you were active in community affairs. We're living in fear of our OWN CHILDREN! How sad is that?

Five years from now that gun is gone and there won't be 20 more to replace it IF...we gain the collective MINDSET to make change now. You'd be surprised how a different way of thinking can spread from mind to mind by just doing it and showing others how by word and deed. To do nothing is defeatist and is leading us to eventual ruin. BAN ILLEGAL HAND GUNS!

You have no idea how many guns have been manufactured since the guns inception do you?:(
 
Sad to say it, but this is one of your worst threads NN
You are entitled to your opinion. And it don't stop me from continuing on. Besides, do you remember that Earring thread I made last year? THAT was my saddest thread! And only because I didn't hold my ground. That was trivial and unimportant. This one is definitely worth fighting for :yes:
 
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