Do you realy think man landed on the moon in the 60s

[KhowYunFat]

to all the dumbasses who responded to my question (Except for the one cat even though i disagree i m not gonna call him a dumbass)

i didnt ask did other countries send unmanned probes, i didnt ask who is planning to send someone, i didnt ask about the technology of the fuckin 60s 70s or 80s for that matter i asked in the 40+ years since How come no other country has landed a man on the moon

and to elaborate what im saying is when in the fucking history of exploration has anyone person or country stopped exploring something because someone else beat them to it, thas like saying oh the russians went to space first ok we dont need to go then for another 50 years

SO AGAIN WHY HAS NO OTHER COUNTRY LANDED A MAN ON THE MOON in all this time. oh and for the cats that say oh the other countries wouldnt play along with america if america faked it......no dice cuz all them play for the same team read Pawns in the Game (the Behold a Pale Horse b4 there was a Behold a Pale horse)

 

[knightmelodic]

There is a metal rod at the top of the flag...still doesn't explain the flag waving near the bottom after it's been left alone...especially considering there is no air for it to wave in.

It's not waving, it's shaking. Damn.

 

[knightmelodic]

What's funny is the same niggas who think the moon landing is fake, are the same dumb fucks who believe in the bible and religion.

Thank you.

 

[knightmelodic]

There is gravity on the moon. one sixth that of Earth. There's no atmosphere. They DID go back, landing there 6 times between 1969 and 1972 (Apollo 11,12,14,15,16 & 17). Apollo 13 had technical problems and barely made it back to Earth. How many times NASA gonna fake it before someone catches on? Damn! Some of you people...

Thank you, NN. Damn, some of ya'll need to get off of here and hit the books.

 

[Adam Knows]

Moon hoax proponents devote a substantial portion of their efforts to examining NASA photos. They point to various issues with photographs and films purportedly taken on the Moon. Experts in photography (even those unrelated to NASA) respond that the anomalies, while sometimes counterintuitive, are in fact precisely what one would expect from a real Moon landing, and contrary to what would occur with manipulated or studio imagery. Hoax proponents also state that whistleblowers may have deliberately manipulated the NASA photos in hope of exposing NASA.


The original Buzz Aldrin photograph.1. Crosshairs appear to be behind objects.

Overexposure causes white objects to bleed into the black areas on the film.
2. Crosshairs are sometimes misplaced or rotated.

Popular versions of photos are sometimes cropped or rotated for aesthetic impact.

The photo mockup made for the book Moon Shot. The second astronaut is located in the 'fold' in the middle of the scanned photo.
TV image of the actual scene.3. The quality of the photographs is implausibly high.

There are many, many poor quality photographs taken by the Apollo astronauts. NASA chose to publish only the best examples.[52][53]
4. There are no stars in any of the photos. The Apollo 11 astronauts also claimed to have not remembered seeing any of the stars in a press conference after the event.

The sun was shining. Cameras were set for daylight exposure.[13], pp. 158–160.
5. The color and angle of shadows and light are inconsistent.

Shadows on the Moon are complicated by uneven ground, wide angle lens distortion, light reflected from the Earth, and lunar dust.[13], pp. 167–172. Shadows also display the properties of vanishing point perspective leading them to converge to a point on the horizon.
6. Identical backgrounds in photos are listed as taken miles apart.

Shots were not identical, just similar. Background objects were mountains many miles away. Without an atmosphere to obscure distant objects, it can be difficult to tell the relative distance and scale of terrain features.[54] One specific case is debunked in Who Mourns For Apollo? by Mike Bara.[55]
7. The number of photographs taken is implausibly high. Up to one photo per 50 seconds.[56]

Simplified gear with fixed settings permitted two photographs a second. Many were taken immediately after each other. Calculations are based on a single astronaut on the surface, and does not take into account that there were two persons sharing the workload during the EVA.
8. The photos contain artifacts like the two seemingly matching 'C's on a rock and on the ground.

The "C"-shaped objects are most likely printing imperfections not in the original film from the camera.
9. A resident of Perth, Australia, with the pseudonym "Una Ronald", said she saw a soft drink bottle in the frame.

No such newspaper reports or recordings have been verified. "Una Ronald"'s existence is authenticated by only one source. There are also flaws in the story, i.e. the emphatic statement that she had to "stay up late" is easily discounted by numerous witnesses in Australia who observed the event to occur in the middle of their daytime, since this event was an unusual compulsory viewing for school children in Australia.[57]
10. The book Moon Shot contains an obvious composite photograph of Alan Shepard hitting a golf ball on the Moon with another astronaut.

It was used in lieu of the only existing real images, from the TV monitor, which the editors of the book apparently felt were too grainy to present in a book's picture section. The book publishers did not work for NASA.
11. There appear to be "hot spots" in some photographs that look like a huge spotlight was used at a close distance.

Pits in moon dust focus and reflect light in a manner similar to minuscule glass spheres used in the coating of street signs, or dew-drops on wet grass. (see Heiligenschein)[58]
12. Footprints in the extraordinarily fine lunar dust, with no moisture or atmosphere or strong gravity, are unexpectedly well preserved, in the minds of some observers – as if made in wet sand.

The dust is silicate, and this has a special property in a vacuum of sticking together like that. The astronauts described it as being like "talcum powder or wet sand".[55]

[edit] Ionizing radiation and heat
Challenges and Responses

1. The astronauts could not have survived the trip because of exposure to radiation from the Van Allen radiation belt and galactic ambient radiation (see Radiation poisoning). Some hoax theorists have suggested that Starfish Prime (high altitude nuclear testing in 1962) was a failed attempt to disrupt the Van Allen belts.

The Moon is ten times higher than the Van Allen radiation belts. The spacecraft moved through the belts in just 30 minutes, and the astronauts were protected from the ionizing radiation by the metal hulls of the spacecraft. In addition, the orbital transfer trajectory from the Earth to the Moon through the belts was selected to minimize radiation exposure. Even Dr. James Van Allen, the discoverer of the Van Allen radiation belts, rebutted the claims that radiation levels were too dangerous for the Apollo missions. Dosimeters carried by the crews showed they received about the same cumulative dosage as a chest X-ray or about 1 milligray.[59] Plait cited an average dose of less than 1 rem, which is equivalent to the ambient radiation received by living at sea level for three years.[13], pp. 160–162
The radiation is actually evidence that the astronauts went to the Moon. Irene Schneider reports that thirty-three of the thirty-six Apollo astronauts involved in the nine Apollo missions to leave Earth orbit have early stage cataracts that have been shown to be caused by radiation exposure to cosmic rays during their trip.[60] However, only twenty-four astronauts left earth orbit. At least thirty-nine former astronauts have developed cataracts. Thirty-six of those were involved in high-radiation missions such as the Apollo lunar missions. [61]
2. Film in the cameras would have been fogged by this radiation.

The film was kept in metal containers that prevented radiation from fogging the film's emulsion.[13], pp. 162–163 In addition, film carried by unmanned lunar probes such as the Lunar Orbiter and Luna 3 (which used on-board film development processes) was not fogged.
3. The Moon's surface during the daytime is so hot that camera film would have melted.

There is no atmosphere to efficiently couple lunar surface heat to devices such as cameras not in direct contact with it. In a vacuum, only radiation remains as a heat transfer mechanism. The physics of radiative heat transfer are thoroughly understood, and the proper use of passive optical coatings and paints was adequate to control the temperature of the film within the cameras; lunar module temperatures were controlled with similar coatings that gave it its gold color. Also, while the Moon's surface does get very hot at lunar noon, every Apollo landing was made shortly after lunar sunrise at the landing site. During the longer stays, the astronauts did notice increased cooling loads on their spacesuits as the sun continued to rise and the surface temperature increased, but the effect was easily countered by the passive and active cooling systems.[13], pp. 165–67 The film was not in direct sunlight, so it wasn't overheated. [62]
Note: all of the lunar landings occurred during the lunar daytime. The Moon's day is approximately 29½ days long, and as a consequence a single lunar day (dawn to dusk) lasts nearly fifteen days. As such there was no sunrise or sunset whilst the astronauts were on the surface. Most lunar missions occurred during the first few earth days of the lunar day.
4. The Apollo 16 crew should not have survived a big solar flare firing out when they were on their way to the Moon. "They should have been fried."

No large solar flare occurred during the flight of Apollo 16. There were large solar flares in August 1972, after Apollo 16 returned to Earth and before the flight of Apollo 17.[63][64]

 

[KhowYunFat]

Idiot China AND Japan was just there with unmanned probes. China AND Japan are both planning manned missions to the moon and mars in the next 10 years.
China and Japan will be the first to tell us if UFO's truly exist.
CHINA and JAPAN will be the first to tell us where ET lives.
China and Japan will beam Anime and kung fu flicks Galaxywide.. TRUST that.

Do your research and talk what you know.
A scientist doesnt debate with the average lunkhead for a reason.

yea a scientist would be the perfect person to answer my simple question, the only lunkhead (lunkhead?) is anyone who doesnt answer a question but just posts a bunch of statements for posting sake, so let me spell it out clear for your silly ass, why hasnt china or japan landed a man on the moon in all this time.... ten years later??? gtfoh mafuckers like korea can get shit jumping in five years their whole IT program jumped in five years now cats got LG tvs and kias in three years they got their steel producing up to third in the world so you mean to tell me countries cant get their space programs to jumpstart and do what a bunch of americans did in the sixties by now....fuckin lame

 

[Benjamin Check]

to all the dumbasses who responded to my question (Except for the one cat even though i disagree i m not gonna call him a dumbass)

i didnt ask did other countries send unmanned probes, i didnt ask who is planning to send someone, i didnt ask about the technology of the fuckin 60s 70s or 80s for that matter i asked in the 40+ years since How come no other country has landed a man on the moon

and to elaborate what im saying is when in the fucking history of exploration has anyone person or country stopped exploring something because someone else beat them to it, thas like saying oh the russians went to space first ok we dont need to go then for another 50 years

SO AGAIN WHY HAS NO OTHER COUNTRY LANDED A MAN ON THE MOON in all this time. oh and for the cats that say oh the other countries wouldnt play along with america if america faked it......no dice cuz all them play for the same team read Pawns in the Game (the Behold a Pale Horse b4 there was a Behold a Pale horse)

Dog you are a stupid motherfucker. do you know that? do you have any idea of just how fucking dumb you actually are. What is the main motivating facor in exploration. Money. the moon is dead. america did the hard work, we beat the russians, end of story. other countries lacked the metallurgical knowledge, technology, and funds to go. niggas is only going back to the moon now, cause it costs way less to get to mars from the moon, than earth. the moon will become a space base cause it costs some dumb ass number like a million dollars a pound to get shit in space. man stupid ass misinforming niggas, i hope you dont breed. niggas read a lil conspiracy book and think they invented the wheel.....

 

[Zero]

to all the dumbasses who responded to my question (Except for the one cat even though i disagree i m not gonna call him a dumbass)

i didnt ask did other countries send unmanned probes, i didnt ask who is planning to send someone, i didnt ask about the technology of the fuckin 60s 70s or 80s for that matter i asked in the 40+ years since How come no other country has landed a man on the moon

and to elaborate what im saying is when in the fucking history of exploration has anyone person or country stopped exploring something because someone else beat them to it, thas like saying oh the russians went to space first ok we dont need to go then for another 50 years

SO AGAIN WHY HAS NO OTHER COUNTRY LANDED A MAN ON THE MOON in all this time. oh and for the cats that say oh the other countries wouldnt play along with america if america faked it......no dice cuz all them play for the same team read Pawns in the Game (the Behold a Pale Horse b4 there was a Behold a Pale horse)

The mission cost a fucking fortune and bore no fruit. The moon is essentially worthless. NASA cats say it is a good place to launch crafts for other missions, but to where and for what purpose? The days of NASA having bottomless pockets to go on missions simply for the sake of going are OVER (other countries had the good sense to stop doing the shit a long time ago). China, Japan and Russia are now kinda back in the game for the same reasons the U.S. did it in the 60's, to tout economic and technological superiority/ resurgence. Once they make a similar big PR move, their programs will scale back massively as well (but even they are not gonna spend the kind of money the U.S. did in the 60's, NOBODY will ever spend like that again on a program that promises no profit or benefit other than bragging rights).

If something of worth is ever discovered on the moon (the shit appears to be not much more than a big-assed, dusty rock for now) then you will see all kinds of activity up there. I think these missions they are planning to some of these asteroids and comets will probably bear more fruit than the moon (and you don't really need people for those missions).

 

[500dollars]

 

[boyalinko]

I believe they did and also believe that when they did land on the moon, they found out that someone beat them to it, either the Russians or some other people from another planet.

As for global warming, I think it's a scam. It's been proven that the global warming is caused by our Sun getting hotter. If you look at recent photos from Mars and compare them to the ones taken decades ago, you will notice that atmosphere is starting to develop at the northern and southern pole. It's not just our planet Earth that's feeling the intense heat from the sun, other planets are too.

 

[Big Tex]

The mission cost a fucking fortune and bore no fruit. The moon is essentially worthless. NASA cats say it is a good place to launch crafts for other missions, but to where and for what purpose? The days of NASA having bottomless pockets to go on missions simply for the sake of going are OVER (other countries had the good sense to stop doing the shit a long time ago). China, Japan and Russia are now kinda back in the game for the same reasons the U.S. did it in the 60's, to tout economic and technological superiority/ resurgence. Once they make a similar big PR move, their programs will scale back massively as well (but even they are not gonna spend the kind of money the U.S. did in the 60's, NOBODY will ever spend like that again on a program that promises no profit or benefit other than bragging rights).

If something of worth is ever discovered on the moon (the shit appears to be not much more than a big-assed, dusty rock for now) then you will see all kinds of activity up there. I think these missions they are planning to some of these asteroids and comets will probably bear more fruit than the moon (and you don't really need people for those missions).

Pretty much all true. Except there is helium3 on the moons surface but it would cost more to get it than it's worth. It could solve all of our energy problems though.

 

[KhowYunFat]

Dog you are a stupid motherfucker. do you know that? do you have any idea of just how fucking dumb you actually are. What is the main motivating facor in exploration. Money. the moon is dead. america did the hard work, we beat the russians, end of story. other countries lacked the metallurgical knowledge, technology, and funds to go. niggas is only going back to the moon now, cause it costs way less to get to mars from the moon, than earth. the moon will become a space base cause it costs some dumb ass number like a million dollars a pound to get shit in space. man stupid ass misinforming niggas, i hope you dont breed. niggas read a lil conspiracy book and think they invented the wheel.....

yeah and your answer was real enlightened it cost way less to get to mars from the moon than earth Do you realize how stupid that fucking statement is, how much is way less einstein the percentage of saving on a trip to MARS!!?!? from starting at the moon is like saying i saved time traveling to work by starting at the corner of my block then from my driveway. not to mention the cost of getting to the moon and maintaining upkeep but fuck that and your dumbass logic, the point of exploration besides saying ME FIRST is to just do it, by your dumbass logic once russia beat america to space we woulda took our time and got there whenever if motherfuckers could have gotten to the moon, they woulda did it the same way ppl steal climb everest and nations still sent expeditions to the north and south pole.

BESIDES look at your logic then stopped going because nothing of value how would other countries know this, because america said so, why would they take the word of an opposing nation as to whether or not there is somehting of value on the moon, "oh ok america you said nothing is up there but you guys keep goin back ok we wont go" and since when did america end up as the paramount epitome of the scientific world, bitch ass ninja is your car american i doubt it, you mean to tell me all these german scientist all these russian scientist (the same ones who beat everyone to space and established the first space station) were outsmarted for decades by america the home of mindless lemmings like you.....lame....

 

[BlkStrength]

Why a nigga gotta be a dumbass for not believing everything you hear and just having a friendly debate...damn. I'm not the "We sick boss" type of person who will defend something that doesn't make sense or raises questions simply because someone in "authority" says so.

Personally, I don't give a fuck..believe what you want to believe, I'm open to changing my mind but only if it makes sense to my own 5 senses.

 

[Tazirai]

Pretty much all true. Except there is helium3 on the moons surface but it would cost more to get it than it's worth. It could solve all of our energy problems though.

We ALREADY HAVE the most abundant energy source on earth. best part is it's renewable. We dont need to go or look elsewhere to get it. It's called Mizu/Agua/Water.
Water covers nearly 3/4 of the globe. It goes MILES below ground. Renews itself from not only us, but nearly everything else that breaths.

GREED is the key factor, War will be another factor. War spurs technological advancement. Thats a fact. If we go back to the moon .. The Nasa rejects. And they find an abundant fuel. The entire globe will race to get it. Spurring tech advancement.

 

[Damn Right]

Many of use have heard the rumors that the famous landing on the moon was faked but it wasn't until recently that I really started thinking bout it more in depth. For starters if you look at the pic of the astronaut holding the US flag, you'll see something that shouldn't happen in the vacuum of space.

that flag wasn't a normal 'flag' that u buy in stores. it had metal rods streatching it out. if u ever saw the clip, the flag never moves. yep, i DO believe man landed on the moon....not that you believe me though

 

[KhowYunFat]

The mission cost a fucking fortune and bore no fruit. The moon is essentially worthless. NASA cats say it is a good place to launch crafts for other missions, but to where and for what purpose? The days of NASA having bottomless pockets to go on missions simply for the sake of going are OVER (other countries had the good sense to stop doing the shit a long time ago). China, Japan and Russia are now kinda back in the game for the same reasons the U.S. did it in the 60's, to tout economic and technological superiority/ resurgence. Once they make a similar big PR move, their programs will scale back massively as well (but even they are not gonna spend the kind of money the U.S. did in the 60's, NOBODY will ever spend like that again on a program that promises no profit or benefit other than bragging rights).

If something of worth is ever discovered on the moon (the shit appears to be not much more than a big-assed, dusty rock for now) then you will see all kinds of activity up there. I think these missions they are planning to some of these asteroids and comets will probably bear more fruit than the moon (and you don't really need people for those missions).

i can understand what your saying im just asking you why? if you say because of money im pretty sure in the decades since the first manned mission to the moon i can find you more than a handful of instances of the said governments spending ridiculous amounts of money on wasted programs or programs that bore little fruit i mean as time marches on the cost should be cheaper for the government of nations like ussr and china at the time.

Why a nigga gotta be a dumbass for not believing everything you hear and just having a friendly debate...damn. I'm not the "We sick boss" type of person who will defend something that doesn't make sense or raises questions simply because someone in "authority" says so.

Personally, I don't give a fuck..believe what you want to believe, I'm open to changing my mind but only if it makes sense to my own 5 senses.

i dont mean to insult cats especially unwarrented i just hate the haughty arrogance of ppl who just have lemming mentality these would be the same ppl who woulda told you "hey you think the Tuskegee Experiments really were carried out, come on man for all them years from the 30s to the 70s and nobody said nothing come on man your a dumbass dont have kids dummy that would never happen in america WE wouldnt allow that dumbass" real talk i swear thats how cats on this board would act

 

[HALO2]

yes, we can build space shuttles, we just can't build cars.

 

[Zero]

Why a nigga gotta be a dumbass for not believing everything you hear and just having a friendly debate...damn. I'm not the "We sick boss" type of person who will defend something that doesn't make sense or raises questions simply because someone in "authority" says so.

Personally, I don't give a fuck..believe what you want to believe, I'm open to changing my mind but only if it makes sense to my own 5 senses.

See. this is that new shit I don't get. In another post, a dude implied I was an Uncle Tom because I didn't believe Willie Lynch was the white boogeyman dictating my every move and in this post somebody is implying I'm an uncle Tom because I don't reject science and buy into some "flat Earth" bullshit

I used to argue folks down, but there really are black folks out there who don't think you are "black enough" if you're not dumb as donkey shit. That shit is the WORSE kind of self-hate imaginable.

• So lets say I believe the Earth is a hollow shell that we live inside of

• There is an asteroid field in between the Earth and the moon (the Asteroid belt actually separates what is called the inner solar system from the outer and is outside of the orbit of Mars).
• The Earth is actually at the center of the universe and everything else revolves around it.
• The radiation belt is SO strong that no machine or living thing can ever travel outside of the Earth's orbit, so space travel HAS to be fake.
• Every deep space probe, space shuttle mission and astronaut ever spoken or written about was a complete fraud.
• The "vacuum" of space actually sucks shit into a cosmic bag like a giant Dirt Devil.
• The moon is not an actual object in space, but rather just a reflection of the Sun cast off of the ocean on the night sky (inside the hollow Earth)
• Atmosphere and gravity are the same thing and you can't have one without the other

OK, I believe all of that shit, hell some of that shit in the list even contradicts other shit on the same list, so it REALLY looks like some ill-conceived bullshit. Does that make the shit look better to some of you cats? Am I black enough now? Am I not a sheep for the man now?

Or do I need to take an IQ test and PROVE my shit is below 80 (just in case I'm trying to fake dumb).

 

[Zero]

i can understand what your saying im just asking you why? if you say because of money im pretty sure in the decades since the first manned mission to the moon i can find you more than a handful of instances of the said governments spending ridiculous amounts of money on wasted programs or programs that bore little fruit i mean as time marches on the cost should be cheaper for the government of nations like ussr and china at the time.

There is a big difference between wasting money on a new program and it ends up not bearing fruit and wasting money on a program that we KNOW will be a waste. Dog, what has the U.S. EVER, in it's entire fucking history, EVER discovered ANYTHING that was of ANY value that they did not exploit? If there was anything on the moon that could be exploited, we would be exploiting it right now, trust. Getting to the moon was not a big technological deal. Air and radiation tight capsule, a navigation system, LOTS of horsepower and some solid math skills is all it really took (they teach how to calculate the trajectory of a moon shot in high school now).

Another thing is, rocket technology ha not improved much at all. It still takes millions of pounds of extremely expensive fuel just to get a rocket to punch through the atmosphere. There are new technologies coming out (like fusion rockets) that will improve space travel and make it more economically feasible, but for now, any shit that goes into space that is not going to turn some sort of profit probably ain't gonna go (that's why every time a shuttle goes up, the crew has to fix some privately owned satellite). Those repairs help pay for the shuttle launches. Going into space just to see if monkeys can shit in zero gravity or what NYC looks like at night from orbit ain't happening anymore. That's why nobody has gone back dog, it's VERY simple. There is no strong motivating reason to spend that kind of money just to walk around and collect dirt and rocks. It's been done.

I know you want other reasons that are deeper and more conspiratorial, but it ain't that deep. It wasn't THAT hard to do (dangerous yes, but technically hard, not really), but it costs a SHITLOAD of money and the justifications (outside of national pride) are weak.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Unfortunately, it seems like a lot of people have gotten their moon landing education from an O.J. Simpson/Telly Savalas movie.

This is one funny ass thread. The non-believers never have any real evidence and when you answer all their questions, they just come back with more inane, non-sensical questions.

Telly Savalas and OJ Simpson movie? LMAO !

 

[Zero]

yes, we can build space shuttles, we just can't build cars.

That ain't saying much, the shuttle is a POS. They are about to scrap the shuttles and go back to booster rockets and capsules.

 

[KhowYunFat]

There is a big difference between wasting money on a new program and it ends up not bearing fruit and wasting money on a program that we KNOW will be a waste. Dog, what has the U.S. EVER, in it's entire fucking history, EVER discovered that was of ANY value that they did not exploit? If there was anything on the moon that could be exploited, we would be exploiting it right now, trust. Getting to the moon was not a big technological deal. Air and radiation tight capsule, a navigation system, LOTS of horsepower and some solid math skills is all it really took (they teach how to calculate the trajectory of a moon shot in high school now).

first off be clear im not implying or directly saying you are an uncle tom or an ass for not agreeing with me, i m more firefighing with what i read in earlier posts and really at the attitude that was expressed towards those who chose to question the moon landing.

secondly to answer your question i agree that if there were something to exploit america would be there word to vh1. My point is this, when in the history of exploration have you known or read of a nation or group of prominent people giving up on a mission because someone else beat them to it. Especially a place like the moon because by others own admission these other nations would not take the word of America that there is nothing up there to be exploited. i m just asking for your common sense gut reaction that fact, that no other nation on Earth been to the moon in the decades since when technology (and in some cases) financial status is higher than it was originally. Come'on dog thats ludacris.....

lastly i m not even saying man cant figure out how to go to the moon or have seen probes to the moon hell there are hundreds of unobserved phenomena in science hundreds meaning on paper there is a lot that can be said but in practice.....

 

[Zero]

first off be clear im not implying or directly saying you are an uncle tom or an ass for not agreeing with me,

You didn't imply that at all, another poster did. You just keep asking the same question like you are looking for one specific answer.

And as far as other nations giving up on a mission because someone got there first...

I can't think of ANY other exploration where somebody didn't come back saying something of worth wasn't on the other end of the trip. Cats climb mountains, but that is an individual effort and won't bankrupt a small-to-medium NATION to do (like a moon mission). Even the poles have found to be swollen with oil and other resources that make going back worth it. We barely hit deep ocean exploration because, as of yet, the cost of it (except in smaller projects) is prohibitive and what has been found down there can't be exploited inexpensively.

Let the cost of moonshots get down to the multi-millions instead of billions and you'll start seeing cats like Branson that owns Virgin and Steve Jobs financing trips for corporate bragging rights (they are already sending their own manned ships into orbit).

 

[datrep]

This is bullshit. The first picture was of his feet touching down. The guy coming down the ladder was the SECOND guy. Damn, you got nothing but misinformation in this post.

You say "miss the moon" as if it couldn't happen. You can miss the earth on reentry if your angle of reentry isn't correct. True, the moon has gravity, but not enough to slow and trap a capsule without some substantial assistance from that capsule.

Distance has nothing to do with heat??? The earth and moon are the same distance from the sun, and the temps here can get in the mid hundreds, only stopped by our atmosphere. No atmosphere on the moon, nothing to stop the heat from rising and rising. Are you telling me that the entire load of computers, cameras, film, etc was made of space age plastic? Even down to the circuits and soldering? If you turn off the fan in your computer at room temperature, watch what happens in a few mins, it'll shut off from over heating.

Have you seen the pics that were taken with the telescope you're mentioning of the lander? If so, post them here so i can learn something new today.

And radiation. Past the radiation belts, i guess none of us can truly answer what it's like out there, because only "a few have been." What i'm trying to say is, we have no choice but to believe what they say about the radiation past those belts.


And it has been said countless times, that a moon based station would be the perfect place to refuel and launch to MARS. But, why no station

 

[Big Tex]

We ALREADY HAVE the most abundant energy source on earth. best part is it's renewable. We dont need to go or look elsewhere to get it. It's called Mizu/Agua/Water.
Water covers nearly 3/4 of the globe. It goes MILES below ground. Renews itself from not only us, but nearly everything else that breaths.

GREED is the key factor, War will be another factor. War spurs technological advancement. Thats a fact. If we go back to the moon .. The Nasa rejects. And they find an abundant fuel. The entire globe will race to get it. Spurring tech advancement.

Saying water is a fuel source, you must mean cold fusion. People have been trying to develop cold fusion for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

There is no other way other than hydro electric power i.e. dams that you can draw energy from water.

Whereas helium3 is an abundant energy source.

http://www.direct.ca/trinity/helium3.htm

The abundance of helium on the moon represents “the Persian Gulf of energy in the 21st century.” Helium, with an atomic mass of 3, could have huge importance for generating energy on earth. In 1999 Taylor wrote, “There is more than 100 times more energy in the helium-3 on the moon than in all the economically recoverable coal, oil, and natural gas on earth.”

Scientists estimate there are about 1 million tons of helium 3 on the moon, enough to power the world for thousands of years. The He3 is mainly imbedded in an ore called ilmenite.

A space vehicle with a payload bay the size of a space shuttle could bring back enough helium-3 to generate the electricity to satisfy the United States’ needs for a full year.

Particles of hydrogen and helium in the solar wind that strikes the moon become embedded in the rocks and soil. This doesn’t happen on the earth because our atmosphere and our magnetic field shield our planet from these solar particles.

It has been estimated that helium 3 would have a cash value of $5.7 billion a ton in terms of its current energy equivalent to oil at <$40 per barrel oil.

At $40,000 to $60,000 per kilo for transporting materials from Earth to the Moon, it is not cost effective to go to the Moon even for pure gold (Au), at today's price of <$15,500 per kilogram. He3 equivalent energy value in today’s dollars is $5.7 Million per kilogram making this venture for the He3 fusion reactant worth the effort and cost.

While the vehicles for retrieving resources from the moon are being designed and built, Taylor thinks the nation—and the world—can speed research and development of fusion reactors that could process helium trapped in lunar material.

 

[Benjamin Check]

yeah and your answer was real enlightened it cost way less to get to mars from the moon than earth Do you realize how stupid that fucking statement is, how much is way less einstein the percentage of saving on a trip to MARS!!?!? from starting at the moon is like saying i saved time traveling to work by starting at the corner of my block then from my driveway. not to mention the cost of getting to the moon and maintaining upkeep but fuck that and your dumbass logic, the point of exploration besides saying ME FIRST is to just do it, by your dumbass logic once russia beat america to space we woulda took our time and got there whenever if motherfuckers could have gotten to the moon, they woulda did it the same way ppl steal climb everest and nations still sent expeditions to the north and south pole.

BESIDES look at your logic then stopped going because nothing of value how would other countries know this, because america said so, why would they take the word of an opposing nation as to whether or not there is somehting of value on the moon, "oh ok america you said nothing is up there but you guys keep goin back ok we wont go" and since when did america end up as the paramount epitome of the scientific world, bitch ass ninja is your car american i doubt it, you mean to tell me all these german scientist all these russian scientist (the same ones who beat everyone to space and established the first space station) were outsmarted for decades by america the home of mindless lemmings like you.....lame....

of course you respond in the way i prayed you would, fully showing your fucking stupidity. it has nothing to do with distance assmaster. It has to do with the burning of riduculous amounts of fuel to break earths gravity. once you have a base on the moon that can resupply food, and a few other things you need for space, and seeing as how we probably wont be using conventional rocket fuel for a trip past mars or for multiple trips to mars......itll save BILLIONS you dumb son of a bitch. you need to watch the nasa channel sometime......dumbass

 

[Tazirai]

Saying water is a fuel source, you must mean cold fusion. People have been trying to develop cold fusion for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_fusion

There is no other way other than hydro electric power i.e. dams that you can draw energy from water.

Whereas helium3 is an abundant energy source.

http://www.direct.ca/trinity/helium3.htm

Actually there is . WITHOUT cold fusion.
Water powered car
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http://waterpoweredcar.com/

 

[Big Tex]

Why a nigga gotta be a dumbass for not believing everything you hear and just having a friendly debate...damn. I'm not the "We sick boss" type of person who will defend something that doesn't make sense or raises questions simply because someone in "authority" says so.

Personally, I don't give a fuck..believe what you want to believe, I'm open to changing my mind but only if it makes sense to my own 5 senses.

Go fill a glass with water. Put a piece of paper on top of it and turn it over with you hand holding the paper. Then remove your hand.

Your 5 senses will tell you the water will pour out. But if you did it right, the paper will keep the water in the glass. Because your 5 senses don't know that the atmospheric pressure pressing up on the paper is greater than the weight of the paper pressing down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Fz8gAn4vlo

 

[Benjamin Check]

i can understand what your saying im just asking you why? if you say because of money im pretty sure in the decades since the first manned mission to the moon i can find you more than a handful of instances of the said governments spending ridiculous amounts of money on wasted programs or programs that bore little fruit i mean as time marches on the cost should be cheaper for the government of nations like ussr and china at the time.



i dont mean to insult cats especially unwarrented i just hate the haughty arrogance of ppl who just have lemming mentality these would be the same ppl who woulda told you "hey you think the Tuskegee Experiments really were carried out, come on man for all them years from the 30s to the 70s and nobody said nothing come on man your a dumbass dont have kids dummy that would never happen in america WE wouldnt allow that dumbass" real talk i swear thats how cats on this board would act

nigga you are the weakest link. real talk. We went six times, found jack shit but rocks and helium 3. why go back, unless to make an easy launch paint for mars. America spends/wastes money when they THINK it will make money. If the DONT THINK/KNOW IT IS A FAIRY TALE, WE DONT GO ASSHOLE!jesus chrsit youre dumb as a rock son, kill yourself, right now, dont wait, now!

 

[Zero]

You say "miss the moon" as if it couldn't happen. You can miss the earth on reentry if your angle of reentry isn't correct. True, the moon has gravity, but not enough to slow and trap a capsule without some substantial assistance from that capsule.

Distance has nothing to do with heat??? The earth and moon are the same distance from the sun, and the temps here can get in the mid hundreds, only stopped by our atmosphere. No atmosphere on the moon, nothing to stop the heat from rising and rising. Are you telling me that the entire load of computers, cameras, film, etc was made of space age plastic? Even down to the circuits and soldering? If you turn off the fan in your computer at room temperature, watch what happens in a few mins, it'll shut off from over heating.

Have you seen the pics that were taken with the telescope you're mentioning of the lander? If so, post them here so i can learn something new today.

And radiation. Past the radiation belts, i guess none of us can truly answer what it's like out there, because only "a few have been." What i'm trying to say is, we have no choice but to believe what they say about the radiation past those belts.


And it has been said countless times, that a moon based station would be the perfect place to refuel and launch to MARS. But, why no station

Bruh, you missed a couple of science classes, but it's cool.

The atmosphere actually TRAPS heat on the Earth, without it, the Earth would be very cold. Venus has a heavier atmosphere than Earth and is really only slightly closer to the Sun and is VERY hot due to the hyper greenhouse effect on that planet. It's like this, you can go out into a greenhouse on a cold sunny day and it will be warm in the greenhouse because the glass allows the sun's rays in, but reflects much of the escaping energy back inside (trapping heat). If you were standing outside the greenhouse, you would feel the warmth of the sun on your exposed skin, but it would quickly escape and you would be cold as shit.

The moon has NO greenhouse effect at ll because it has no atmosphere, so the moon would only be as warm as the radiant sunlight hitting the bright side could make it before the energy from that sunlight immediately escaped right back into space (not long). Thus, the moon would not be super hot OR super cold, it would be as warm as the sun could make it on the bright side without an atmospheric greenhouse to capture any of that energy and as cold as a complete lack of sun and no greenhouse to preserve heat overnight would make it on the darkside (which ain't pluto cold, but cold, which is why we didn't fuck with the darkside).

 

[BlkStrength]

See. this is that new shit I don't get. In another post, a dude implied I was an Uncle Tom because I didn't believe Willie Lynch was the white boogeyman dictating my every move and in this post somebody is implying I'm an uncle Tom because I don't reject science and buy into some "flat Earth" bullshit

I used to argue folks down, but there really are black folks out there who don't think you are "black enough" if you're not dumb as donkey shit. That shit is the WORSE kind of self-hate imaginable.

• So lets say I believe the Earth is a hollow shell that we live inside of

• There is an asteroid field in between the Earth and the moon (the Asteroid belt actually separates what is called the inner solar system from the outer and is outside of the orbit of Mars).
• The Earth is actually at the center of the universe and everything else revolves around it.
• The radiation belt is SO strong that no machine or living thing can ever travel outside of the Earth's orbit, so space travel HAS to be fake.
• Every deep space probe, space shuttle mission and astronaut ever spoken or written about was a complete fraud.
• The "vacuum" of space actually sucks shit into a cosmic bag like a giant Dirt Devil.
• The moon is not an actual object in space, but rather just a reflection of the Sun cast off of the ocean on the night sky (inside the hollow Earth)
• Atmosphere and gravity are the same thing and you can't have one without the other

OK, I believe all of that shit, hell some of that shit in the list even contradicts other shit on the same list, so it REALLY looks like some ill-conceived bullshit. Does that make the shit look better to some of you cats? Am I black enough now? Am I not a sheep for the man now?

Or do I need to take an IQ test and PROVE my shit is below 80 (just in case I'm trying to fake dumb).

Look man...Shit gets lost in translation over the net...which is why I usually don't engage in debate on the web. I wasn't trying to imply you or anyone else is an uncle tom simply for believing what you believe on that subject. I was just saying the type of person I am not which is one who simply believes something is true simply because that is what is told. There are smart peeps on both sides of the issue who have done research and believe what they believe. I personally just have not seen enough proof to determine it was real...that may change later down the road. I'm sure there are folk who are on the other side of the issue who feel the same way.

Now..back to the porn...

 

[Benjamin Check]

You say "miss the moon" as if it couldn't happen. You can miss the earth on reentry if your angle of reentry isn't correct. True, the moon has gravity, but not enough to slow and trap a capsule without some substantial assistance from that capsule.

Distance has nothing to do with heat??? The earth and moon are the same distance from the sun, and the temps here can get in the mid hundreds, only stopped by our atmosphere. No atmosphere on the moon, nothing to stop the heat from rising and rising. Are you telling me that the entire load of computers, cameras, film, etc was made of space age plastic? Even down to the circuits and soldering? If you turn off the fan in your computer at room temperature, watch what happens in a few mins, it'll shut off from over heating.

Have you seen the pics that were taken with the telescope you're mentioning of the lander? If so, post them here so i can learn something new today.

And radiation. Past the radiation belts, i guess none of us can truly answer what it's like out there, because only "a few have been." What i'm trying to say is, we have no choice but to believe what they say about the radiation past those belts.


And it has been said countless times, that a moon based station would be the perfect place to refuel and launch to MARS. But, why no station

forst you wont "miss" the earth, youll break up on reentry, and burn up a the wrong angle, maybe skip off the atmosphere, but youd prob break up while doing it due to the bad angle and heat. um the components were insulated refrigerated, so i dont think that they were just willy nilly exposed to the harshness of deep space. Why no station...cause we dont have the reliable techology to make it mars manned yet.....so why build a station before we can make it from here 2 times reliably......seems like an asshole move to me.....thats like the pool being halfway full and you deciding to jump off the diving board, but just aiming for the deepest part....

 

[Big Tex]

I believe they did and also believe that when they did land on the moon, they found out that someone beat them to it, either the Russians or some other people from another planet.

As for global warming, I think it's a scam. It's been proven that the global warming is caused by our Sun getting hotter. If you look at recent photos from Mars and compare them to the ones taken decades ago, you will notice that atmosphere is starting to develop at the northern and southern pole. It's not just our planet Earth that's feeling the intense heat from the sun, other planets are too.

The sun is not getting hotter. The sun has been around for 5 billion years. If it were to start increasing in temperature so quickly that within 20 years we would see a noticeable difference, all the planets inside of Jupiter would be in for serious shit.

http://hea-www.harvard.edu/scied/SUN/sunpage.html

 

[Zero]

The sun is not getting hotter. The sun has been around for 5 billion years. If it were to start increasing in temperature so quickly that within 20 years we would see a noticeable difference, all the planets inside of Jupiter would be in for serious shit.

http://hea-www.harvard.edu/scied/SUN/sunpage.html

Folks would rather believe the Sun is going Nova than drive a fuckin' hybrid

​

But you know who said the Sun was getting hotter don't you?

One of the great scientific minds of our time...

Dubya

​

 

[KhowYunFat]

of course you respond in the way i prayed you would, fully showing your fucking stupidity. it has nothing to do with distance assmaster. It has to do with the burning of riduculous amounts of fuel to break earths gravity. once you have a base on the moon that can resupply food, and a few other things you need for space, and seeing as how we probably wont be using conventional rocket fuel for a trip past mars or for multiple trips to mars......itll save BILLIONS you dumb son of a bitch. you need to watch the nasa channel sometime......dumbass

just like the asshole you are you read what you want, my analogy wasn't in response to the saving billions me talkin about the upkeep of said "moonbase" dumbass, "way less money" yea thats real scientific you dont know what your talking about your espousing rhetoric like its fact motherfucker what nasa channel? and why would a nasa channel tell you about nasa shortcomings, the funny thing is in your own response you owned yourself if its not about the distance but about the amount of fuel to break earths gravity what the fuck would be the difference once you broke you could do the same with a space station dumbass what about being on the moon itself would save billions and where do you get your numbers from and oh by the way you still yet to answer the question. all we (who the fuck is we) found were rocks and h3 says who, and why would other countries believe "us" your the type of dumb ninja who woulda let his kids get sprayed with pesticides back in the day while eating at a picnic (the government knows whats good even if my gut says something aint right about my kids being sprayed with chemical gas while they eat) ninjas like you is why the world is goin to hell in a handbasket. simple minded fuck back to the porn for you less thought involved....