WHAT IF ALL BLACKS BECAME 'INDEPENDENTS' BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION? ...I ask this because I have been trying to figure out why we are so disrespected/disregarded when election time rolls around. Republicans won't address 'Black' issues, and the Democrats seem to think that it is a given that they have our votes wrapped up. It appears to me that we would have so power that we could decide an election if we ALL we Independents, and forced the candidates to address our issues/concerns. I would really like to hear from some brothers/sisters much smarter than myself. It seems to me that every 'white' group that you can name is 'courted' for votes, but blacks are left out and disregarded. If 'WE' were all Independents, it seems that we could do better for our people. Thanks much....PEACE!!!!
What If All Blacks Became 'independents'
- Thread starter WU-SHU BOXER
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I am not smarter than you. Won't pretend to be. But I know
if we all became Independents, or members of any political
party outside of the two majors, there would be a campaign
to discredit that said party. To make it seem irrelevant to
our well being. There would be a campaign by the democratic
party to court us back into their party. They would use every
black they have in their power to get us back in there. Because
without the support of black and other non-white people, the
dems would have nothing and the republicans would sweep
every election
if we all became Independents, or members of any political
party outside of the two majors, there would be a campaign
to discredit that said party. To make it seem irrelevant to
our well being. There would be a campaign by the democratic
party to court us back into their party. They would use every
black they have in their power to get us back in there. Because
without the support of black and other non-white people, the
dems would have nothing and the republicans would sweep
every election
Sir...Thank you for your wisdom. I feel that 'we' could benefit greatly if the Democrats were forced to court us, as opposed to our vote just being a given for them. We could gain better neighborhoods, education, healthcare, etc. Presently, it seems to me that we take was is given to us, and are expected to be happy with that. We could speak as one voice, and be heard and listened to, instead of having people like Jesse Jackson claim to represent our interests, but yet everything remains status quo, and we remain not much better off then we were 50 years ago.RunawaySlave said:
No doubt. I don't disagree with any of that
I do like Jesse's son though.
I do like Jesse's son though.
It would mean the end of the Democratic Party. Blacks are one of the cornerstones of the Democratic Party but mofos regularly take black issues for granted 
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D Town Redd said:It would mean the end of the Democratic Party. Blacks are one of the cornerstones of the Democratic Party but mofos regularly take black issues for granted
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This is why we should become Indepenedents to force them to address the issues instead of selling their souls to the lobbyist, and trying to come to the black churches when election time comes around.
Check out the link. Committee for a Unified Independent Party
Thank you Sir. It troubles me to think that the only time you see most politicians in black congregational establishments is when they want to try to garner our support. Oftentimes, 'they' will show their faces, say a few words, shake our hands, and walk away with our endorsements. We never see any of our issues come to fruition. The educational system is still as poor as it ever was; the neighborhoods continue to remain run-down. Even worse, here in DC, they are paying 'Blacks' less than fair-market-value to move out of housing developments, so that contractors can turn them into town-houses and condos. It is sad that we are quick to give up our 'rights/power' so easily for a dollar. DC has been stead-fastly moving away from a predominantly 'Black' city to clusters and pockets. As 'unified' idependents, I feel that we can affect very positive changes for our people as a whole, because politicians would now have to EARN our endorsement, and not look upon it as a given. Thank you for the link and your words. I will check it out right now.Jakesnake said:
WU-SHU BOXER said:
What do you think about the Baltimore Mayor and Montgomery County Executive running for Democrat Governor????????
If Blacks became openly independent voters it would mean the end of any relevancy we might have as a political force, we would finally be divided and conquered, as long as we are affiliated with one party the opposite party has to take us into account that wouldn't be the case if we were independent.
WU-SHU BOXER said:
THERE'S ONLY ONE WAY.
WE NEED OUR ONW PARTY.
You can slice and dice (and I did) , but that's the only rational conclusion.
Let me elaborate a little bit.
You are the minority.
and the parties represent the majority.
so they will only court you if that can help serve their majority's interest(white), not yours. gotta go.
But the fact that we can talk like this is a sign of progress.
Neo
is this 1772, we are all American right? if you feel that the Democrats aren't paying attentiont to you then form your little group and see what the fuck happens. that's the problem, black folks talk about forming a group, but only talk about it all day long. no need for the talk, post up an application, follow it up, and then meet up
This is why theres more black republicans now than any other time in history.
Right now, the democrats don't give a fuck about us. Bottomline.
As for the "divide and conquer" worry, dude we have already been conquered. When theres no ACTUAL debate about issues concerning our neighborhoods, that shows us who actually care. We need MORE sides than the typical "bet, Danny Glover, fuck bush" side. The only way OUR race will get out this limbo is LOOK ELSEWHERE for answers, because right now, the Dems do not give a fuck about what goes on in OUR neighborhood. If you don't believe me, GO TO NEW ORLEANS!!!!
Right now, the democrats don't give a fuck about us. Bottomline.
As for the "divide and conquer" worry, dude we have already been conquered. When theres no ACTUAL debate about issues concerning our neighborhoods, that shows us who actually care. We need MORE sides than the typical "bet, Danny Glover, fuck bush" side. The only way OUR race will get out this limbo is LOOK ELSEWHERE for answers, because right now, the Dems do not give a fuck about what goes on in OUR neighborhood. If you don't believe me, GO TO NEW ORLEANS!!!!
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Since you put this dude out there like that, I think its time for everyone to look at the facts.
1. This shit *terrorism* wouldn't be a situation if A) we were energy independent, something the Environmental LEFT is strictly against *not drilling for our own oil* B) Mr. Clinton should have killed Bin Laden.
2. I don't think anyone from the HIP HOP community can talk right now. Most of the mainstream songs are either based on dancing, violence, selling drugs, fucking, talking about their car/house/money, or all the above. If hip hop wants to get political, how about having 2 sides of the debate. History shows that a culture with two sides, is a culture that progresses. Answer this, have OUR community progress since the 80's?
3. It seems like everyone wants the republicans to be the party who LOVES to start a war. However, I bet people didn't know that MOST of our wars have been started by a Democrat, including Vietnam. The war that every democrat wants to say Iraq is becoming.
4. Let us not forget that Mr. Clinton did sign a bill to allow President Bush to go to war with IRAQ back in 1999. If you don't remember, go look up his resume.
1. This shit *terrorism* wouldn't be a situation if A) we were energy independent, something the Environmental LEFT is strictly against *not drilling for our own oil* B) Mr. Clinton should have killed Bin Laden.
2. I don't think anyone from the HIP HOP community can talk right now. Most of the mainstream songs are either based on dancing, violence, selling drugs, fucking, talking about their car/house/money, or all the above. If hip hop wants to get political, how about having 2 sides of the debate. History shows that a culture with two sides, is a culture that progresses. Answer this, have OUR community progress since the 80's?
3. It seems like everyone wants the republicans to be the party who LOVES to start a war. However, I bet people didn't know that MOST of our wars have been started by a Democrat, including Vietnam. The war that every democrat wants to say Iraq is becoming.
4. Let us not forget that Mr. Clinton did sign a bill to allow President Bush to go to war with IRAQ back in 1999. If you don't remember, go look up his resume.
co-signs with 90% of that, however my theory is this;,actinanass said:
democrats are dumb and to manipulative.......republicans are just plain evil, hell they professional stenght EVIL. so what do you do? simple you vote for the lesser of two evils, if you do not vote for the best canidate, blue or red, than you my friend, just became part of the problem and not the solution.
Black republicans ain’t havin’ it! They are too loyal. The majority of the republican presidential candidates front runners refuse to show up at Morgan State debate, the negrocons don’t speak up. They will not think independently, they want to protect “our” house.
Either way you state it, the Democrats and the Republicans don't take the Black Voice Seriously, there needs to be an Alternative Political Party or just Eliminate Political Parties...................
No, because they are now trying to get the Latino Mexican/Central American Votes in which is why most of them support Illegal Immigration................
So you do Understand that the Democrats(Along with the Governor) in Montgomery and PG County Maryland is Ignoring the Black Issues while Over-Taxing People, Preventing Employment Growth, and trying to Make the State of Maryland the Magnet of Illegal Mexican-Central American Immigration especially now since the Republicans in Prince William County is trying to push them out of Northern Virginia........
And what does Baltimore and the State of Maryland have to show for Electing the Irish Former Mayor of Baltimore for Governor;
Over-Taxation, Lack of High Paying Employment, Loss of 20,000 people leaving the state for other states in the Deep South and nearby states, Increasing Population of Illegal Mexican-Central American Immigrants............
Now on the National Elections the Only person that will best Address the National Issues is Obama and we need to stop using Ill Excusing to not support this Guy.........
I'm not a supporter of O'Malley, I remember him from is days as a City Councilman. But in the interest of fairness and accurracy your comment is way of base. The dude has been in office...what?...less than a year and you're blaming him for the illegal immigrants in the state like they just got here. Blaming him for the taxes everyone pays. And your assertion about the high paying jobs and decreasing population are just wrong. with the BRAC issue front and center the problem is where we gonna put all the new people expected to come over the next 5 years.
People in general kill me with this shit. Complaining about this or that issue demanding somebody do something, anybody but them of course, then whine mightily and cry a river of tears when the bill comes due.
If you want to play the game you have to get on the field. Most black folk aren't even in the stadium yet want the ones that are on the field to do things their way for the benefit of them while they sit comfortably at home.
Let me make it perfectly clear:
If I gotta play both offense and defense who you think gonna call the plays?
When you understand that then you'll understand why your voices aren't being heard and probably summarily dismissed
I think you underestimate black conservatives. Believe it or not, majority of blacks are naturally conservative. Majority are devout Christians, do not believe in abortion *check out our teenage pregnancy rate*, do not believe in gay marriage, and do not like high taxes. The only problem is....ignorance. Look at rap/hip hop. If you are looking for true leadership, thats where our leadership is at. Hip hop influence way more than 2 permheads at a rally. Now check out what they are rapping about. Sex, cars, drugs, crime.... Look at the effects.
1. One of the highest teenage pregnancy rates in America.
2. One of the top consumers of luxury cars.
3. Majority of black males are/been in prison.
I used to be the type of dude who didn't think the masses would be dumb enough to do what a song says.... I stand corrected.
The point of this post is, we can influence way more than what we are doing right now. Plus, its time to let go of the race lines. The Democrats are using our hatred from the past against us. Thus, keeping us were "we should" be.
Like I said, the Negrocons will defend the GOP to the death, and they talk about what Blacks don’t owe Hillary anything.
One of the problems with so called conservatives is that they equate conservatism with morality. Just because you have a child out of wedlock or as a teen doesn’t make you immoral or conservative. 16 year old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant, no one is calling her immoral and her sister and mother are one of the biggest GW supporters in entertainment. The fastest growing segments of so called unwed mothers are over 30 professionals, the majority of which are white. Can you draw a blanket indictment against all whites from those statistics? Black males in prison are a result in drug laws. Prior to mandatory drug sentencing Blacks were less than 50% of inmates, while whites who did powered cocaine, (GW Bush) got slapped on the wrist, if that. White males are overwhelmingly convicted of sexual crimes, are all white males immoral?
It has been said that during slavery the most violence against Black folk occurred during Sunday after church service. They sermons justifying slavery worked the slave owners up and they in turn took it out on the slaves. They were conservative, but were they moral? Abolitionist that were mostly Quakers, Mennonites, Amish and other “radical” for the time religions were anti slave. Were they moral?
Like I said, the Negrocons will defend the GOP to the death, and they talk about what Blacks don’t owe Hillary anything.
One of the problems with so called conservatives is that they equate conservatism with morality. Just because you have a child out of wedlock or as a teen doesn’t make you immoral or conservative. 16 year old Jamie Lynn Spears is pregnant, no one is calling her immoral and her sister and mother are one of the biggest GW supporters in entertainment. The fastest growing segments of so called unwed mothers are over 30 professionals, the majority of which are white. Can you draw a blanket indictment against all whites from those statistics? Black males in prison are a result in drug laws. Prior to mandatory drug sentencing Blacks were less than 50% of inmates, while whites who did powered cocaine, (GW Bush) got slapped on the wrist, if that. White males are overwhelmingly convicted of sexual crimes, are all white males immoral?
It has been said that during slavery the most violence against Black folk occurred during Sunday after church service. They sermons justifying slavery worked the slave owners up and they in turn took it out on the slaves. They were conservative, but were they moral? Abolitionist that were mostly Quakers, Mennonites, Amish and other “radical” for the time religions were anti slave. Were they moral?
None of what you say is a Reasonable Excuse for African Americans to waste their vote on Poverty Pimping Race Baiting Tree Hugging Liberal Extremist Politicians.......
Plus what your saying is totally outdated because now the Extremist Left Wing Whites are are putting spins on the like words of what you posted to fool people to understand why Most of the Liberal Lawmakers support the Increase of Mexican-Central American Illegal Immigration and their efforts to give them the same rights as Americans while at the same time they're Over-Taxing the Poor and Preventing High Paying Job Growth in Black American Communities..............
Karl???.....Karl Rove?????..is that you?
haven't heard those repub talking points since the early days of the Contract on America.
Spin, you people invented the term.
Let me put it to you another way:
FUCK BIG CORPORATE MULTINATIONAL, RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVES!
Is that spin enough for you?
What do you mean by "You People"?????????
Yeah but you'll be in another thread whining like a baby(that lost its bottle) about the Illegal Mexican-Central Americans are Taking Over America and getting the same Benficial Rights that you should be having...........
Oh by the way what you think about Martin O'Malley(Former Baltimore Mayor) running the State into a Deficit with his Sky High Tax The State Approval??????????????
Wow thats mighty White of Ya to Intimidate Blacks into following your communist political scheme..........
And BTW since you are so quick to use name calling like a 5 year old, you wouldn't mind explaining what is Contract on America????????????????
Wow thats mighty White of Ya to Intimidate Blacks into following your communist political scheme..........
And BTW since you are so quick to use name calling like a 5 year old, you wouldn't mind explaining what is Contract on America????????????????
Karl Rove is probably one of the top 5 all time great political strategist. thought you'd be honored to be associated with him.
If you don't know what I meant by Contract on America which was the Democrat response to the Republican Contract with America then your knowledge of American politics of the past 15-20 years is the same as a 5 year old.
Your views are welcome on this side of the board but if your gonna participate maybe you need to read a book or 2. Right now your out of your weight class.
Either bring your weight up and come back in throwing some punches when your ready or continue swinging wildly, missing badly and catching a beat down on the regular.
Wow, where did you get your Political Law Degree From??????????
You right I'm not the most Gifted Individual when it comes to ALL FORMS of Politics especially in National and World Politics but I am getting my start on my local City/County/State Politics.......
What do you mean by "You People"?????????
Yeah but you'll be in another thread whining like a baby(that lost its bottle) about the Illegal Mexican-Central Americans are Taking Over America and getting the same Benficial Rights that you should be having...........
Oh by the way what you think about Martin O'Malley(Former Baltimore Mayor) running the State into a Deficit with his Sky High Tax The State Approval??????????????
The debt began to skyrocket under Reagan and blew up under GW.
Wrong, I could solve the immigration problem with one stroke. Anyone employing an illegal worker, whether it is a big corporate factory, a small business or as a day worker being picked up by someone on America’s corners or parking lots is fined $1000/day they worked. At this point the reason for them to come to this country would end because employers would weight the economic penalty of hiring someone for less than minimum wage versus hiring an American would solve itself. At this point all of the other issues would surface, such as the government subsidizing companies to move over seas would be debated and the true America haters would be exposed.
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This thread is a moot point. most other black people I know would go down with the ship [democrats], just like their white counterparts [republicans]. EVEN on this board.
both are one party [the corporatist party]
When the police state comes we all will be in it, along with whitey. maybe we will deserve it too.
both are one party [the corporatist party]
When the police state comes we all will be in it, along with whitey. maybe we will deserve it too.
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