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CNet rates Vista one of "worst products in history"
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Interesting ... you do realize that Windoze Look & Feel was "stolen" from Apple designs? (They went to court over this). And, that which Apple claimed for itself was actually "stolen" from Xerox PARC (Palo Alto Research Center).
I hear you about IBM -- and that was EXACTLY my point; they make good shyt; they DON'T know how to Market it.
M$ makes OK shyt that they Market the HELL out of. Yes, they have done a good job of proliferating technology into the masses, for their own purposes.
They are the world's ULTIMATE technology drug dealer ...
You THINK you need Vista more than you ACTUALLY need Vista; (until the "End Of Life" for XP comes where you MUST upgrade to Vista.)
Their OS Marketing "Kung-Fu" is unmatched - I will give them that (check "The Art Of War")
Peace
No, MS bought "DOS" from QDOS maker Tim Patterson who based it on CP/M by Garry Kildall.
When Bill made his pitch to IBM, he had no "Disk Operating System". IBM nor MS could never get up with Kildall. (Too busy flying) Prior to MSDOS's creation, MS's claim to fame was Basic, which ol' Billy Boy tried to pitch to IBM to be ROM based in a chip, instead of a disk operating system like Kildall's CP/M.
What made MS the company that it is today is "NOT ALLOWING" IBM to outright own the source code, which they required of everyone else prior. IBM licensed it instead and called it PC-DOS while also allowing MS to sell it separately on non-IBM PC compatibles as MS-DOS. Compaq reverse-engineered the first truly 100% compatible PC (BIOS), the rest is history.
By the way, MS garnered the first large influx of cash with the release of Win95. It's amazing when I think back to my Navy days and remember that we had a single Windows for Workgroups (Win 3.11) "crosstalking" with an AIX (TCP/IP) and SunOS network (NFS). Ah, the mainframe days. Who here remembers 9 track tape backups that took all night? When we got our hands on 4MM DAT backups, those 6 hours got compressed to 45 minutes.
The way people feel about MS today is how they felt about Big Blue (IBM) back in the 70's and 80's. I remember a time when software was free as in beer. It was the hardware that broke you.
P.S. There is only one flavor of Linux. The kernel. No more, no less. A Distro does not equal Linux. I do NOT want everyone using Linux and I hope it never catches on via the desktop. Windows' probl.., err solutions keeps the checks coming in.
P.P.S. At the rate Google is going, it'll will garner the disdain MS currently has within a decade. Believe that. Remember I said it here first.
Preach .... this is accurate IMHO.
and the first PCs (before IBM's) and how it would "never" replace the mainframe (and honestly, it hasn't). If I had a dime for people who are also still running AS400's 
Uh, I beat you to the punch in the Black Friday thread 
I am quite concerned about the amount of info Google is collecting on people ... one reason I refuse to do "Google Checkout" so far. They have had to delete/remove information in other countries because they are violating laws of how long you can keep certain info.
It is a paradox because I believe their Search Engine technically is one of the best technical innovations since the Internet itself.
Peace
I still use XP at home. I work on peoples new and old Vista machines all day. I dont see a problem with Vista. I think the problem is that XP work fine for most people. Its almost too good, most people dont want to switch. The main 2 prolems I see are compatibility and system requirements. All the systems I see with less than 2 gigs dont run slower. Too many cheap ass computers with no power and memory coming with VIsta on them. And then every body with software they cant upgrade for what ever reason are stuck having to downgrade to XP. ME belongs in that list, it SUCKED.
that's why i fuck w/ macs only.
It looks to me that the users of vista.. that are complaining.. have not really taken the time out to figure out how to use it... there are a few basic complaints about vista.. that are eaily fixed..
1. the prompts..cut the shit off if u dont want it..
2. software compatiblity...
3. hardware... everyone known that vista was coming out.. and the hardware mfg and write drivers for the shit.. but everyone wants to blame.. microsoft...
4. crashes... i have yet to have a full chrash from vista.. the good thing about vista is that when a explorer crashes.. it closes out and fixes itself... now if you have issues with full crashing.. then the issue is prob with the daym non- compatible software you installed on the pc...
5. why whould users install vista on a old ass pc.. and expect that shit to work... thats what plenty of people did... and thats why they hate it...
people are killing me with this shit about vista.. most of the issues are with the fuckin users and not with the os... I really think this is a ploy for apple to gain market share.. and i cant respect that shit...
Bravo
Ultimate is the ultimate.
I got folks asking me about Celeron laptops with Vista on it. I say chill with the Celeron, get an AMD Turion or CentrinoDuo. I work on nothing but XP all day. Most of the home applications do not require 64 bit operating systems, however, the selling point for Vista comes with it's new "look" and security features. The compatibility problems are deal breakers for me. Open Source seems to correct it a little better and I haven't had a disaster like I've had with XP at certain times yet. Linux has a ways to goes before it matches the overall user friendliness of M$ but it is a formidable competitor for those that have a bit of patience...and it's cheap!
My last 9 to 5 (county and statewide school system) still uses an AS400 for accounting and personnel records to this day. It's the same AS400 running when I first started with them in '96. My mom still works there.
I saved the school system, and by the default the state, millions in licensing an expensive proprietary VT100 app to connect at the AS400. They didn't know they could use MS's Hyperterminal program.
What a waste.
that's some harsh words from CNet
I'm still running XP
me too....i wasnt too impressed w/ vista.....i think xp is probaly one of the best running operated systems they ever made.....vista to me, is kinda slow....
so many comments
so many are right
so many are wrong
dos = stolen
windows = stolen
yeah.. other third parties knew vista was coming and didnt prepare
same could be said about quark and apple os x
apple still supports last gen
microsoft does not
quick reminder, its almost 2008 and vista is still not truly supported or welcomed, in less than 2 years bill gates officially steps down
interestingly enough, he says he is stepping down or hanging around until ....... the next OS.. why bother marrying to vista is there is a new OS coming out?
back to third party
canon, and other companies dont need OS, they have their own software that is simple, its up to apple, microsoft and adobe etc to act right and work with them
why?
cause they are another industry alone they are applications to their own hardware
whats really funny is the MS fans
"fuck sony, they dont know their base they dissed companies"
but
"MS said they had a new OS companies should have prepared and learned vista"
i dont see a difference except for the fans
i've hated MS since millenium
switched to apple 7 years ago
only linux users look at me and say " smart move, now when you upgrade to a better system let us know"
As the month's go by Vista will get better and better. Mac fan's give it up, we are not joining your team.
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Atari Jaguar
Despite being something of an ironic cult icon now, the Atari Jaguar was a complete flop and convinced Atari it should depart the hardware industry. Released in 1993, the Jaguar was meant to rival Sega and Nintendo's games consoles, and it was supposedly a technically superior machine (though this fact, and the related claim that the Jaguar was 'the only 64-bit console', are strongly criticised by more tech-savvy gamers). Interestingly, IBM manufactured the console under a $500m deal with Atari.
The Jaguar was notably hard to write software for, resulting in very few titles being released on the console. Gamers complained that the system's controller, with 15 buttons, was also stupidly hard to use. It had a crap advert, too.
Despite being something of an ironic cult icon now, the Atari Jaguar was a complete flop and convinced Atari it should depart the hardware industry. Released in 1993, the Jaguar was meant to rival Sega and Nintendo's games consoles, and it was supposedly a technically superior machine (though this fact, and the related claim that the Jaguar was 'the only 64-bit console', are strongly criticised by more tech-savvy gamers). Interestingly, IBM manufactured the console under a $500m deal with Atari.
The Jaguar was notably hard to write software for, resulting in very few titles being released on the console. Gamers complained that the system's controller, with 15 buttons, was also stupidly hard to use. It had a crap advert, too.
Sony rootkit CDs
Would you say an audio CD that installs hidden software on your PC, without your consent, that compromises your computer's security to the point that hackers could use it for malicious purposes, was:
a) a really great product,
b) an average product,
c) an extremely bad product, or
d) the worst product anyone has ever released in the history of the music industry?
If your answer was anything but d, you're wrong.
The sad fact is that in 2005, Sony BMG put Extended Copy Protection (XCP) and MediaMax CD-3 software -- the black death incarnation of DRM -- on a total of 102 CD titles.
Users who played these CDs on their computers unknowingly had malware known as a 'rootkit' installed on their machines. Rootkits can avoid detection by anti-virus and security programs by hiding deep within a computer's operating system. This rootkit left PCs on which it was installed at the mercy of hackers.
Sony paid dearly for its work, but maintained that "there were no security risks associated with the anti-piracy technology". Right. It did, however, exchange CDs containing the questionable security protection for versions without it. Just for fun.
For extensive further reading, Wikipedia has a detailed account of the entire story, which can be found here.
Gizmondo
Looking like a black version of Shrek's head is not a good start for a device. The Gizmondo handheld games console generated some excitement to begin with when it was released in early 2005; it had a capable set of specifications, text-messaging capability, a digital camera and GPS functions.
The death blow for a gaming device is rubbish games. And with such titles as Colors, Milo and the Rainbow Nasties and the seriously enticing Momma Can I Mow the Lawn?, it could be argued the Gizmondo never had a chance.
You could, however, knock £100 off the £229 price of the device by letting it show you adverts -- Smart Ads, they were called. Deciding whether it was worth £100 to avoid this annoyance was the most fun you could have with it.
A year down the line, the Gizmondo's manufacturer Tiger Telematics went bankrupt, having burned through a preposterous £160m in 18 months, helped in part by Gizmondo director Stefan Eriksson -- of crashing his Ferrari fame -- being paid in excess of £1m a year. The company spent vast wodges of cash on expensive cars, executive perks and various other pieces of creative accounting. No more games were developed, the Smart Ads stopped functioning and the system now rests as a sad monument to what can happen when hype has no basis in reality.
Looking like a black version of Shrek's head is not a good start for a device. The Gizmondo handheld games console generated some excitement to begin with when it was released in early 2005; it had a capable set of specifications, text-messaging capability, a digital camera and GPS functions.
The death blow for a gaming device is rubbish games. And with such titles as Colors, Milo and the Rainbow Nasties and the seriously enticing Momma Can I Mow the Lawn?, it could be argued the Gizmondo never had a chance.
You could, however, knock £100 off the £229 price of the device by letting it show you adverts -- Smart Ads, they were called. Deciding whether it was worth £100 to avoid this annoyance was the most fun you could have with it.
A year down the line, the Gizmondo's manufacturer Tiger Telematics went bankrupt, having burned through a preposterous £160m in 18 months, helped in part by Gizmondo director Stefan Eriksson -- of crashing his Ferrari fame -- being paid in excess of £1m a year. The company spent vast wodges of cash on expensive cars, executive perks and various other pieces of creative accounting. No more games were developed, the Smart Ads stopped functioning and the system now rests as a sad monument to what can happen when hype has no basis in reality.
I don't care about any of that technical crap. The problem with Vista is that in order to use it effectively, you are going to have to update you system. At the very least you will need more memory and probably have to get new software...All of which translates into spending more money
Maybe that's not a problem for cats who spend mucho time online and know where to find free shit, but the average consumer don't wanna spend all that time looking for shit. And they damn sure don't want to keep throwing money down into the bottomless pit of Microsoft.
People do not like to spend their hard-earned money on the same shit over and over. They have enough bills to pay without having to worry about turning on their damn computer for a fee
Maybe that's not a problem for cats who spend mucho time online and know where to find free shit, but the average consumer don't wanna spend all that time looking for shit. And they damn sure don't want to keep throwing money down into the bottomless pit of Microsoft.
People do not like to spend their hard-earned money on the same shit over and over. They have enough bills to pay without having to worry about turning on their damn computer for a fee
Give It A Minute ...............
Oh yes.
i wouldnt be surprised
brings new meaning to IBM compatible
and watch the new underdog
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with a new OS comes a new competitor
dubai buying $500 million shares in sony shows that something is up
I don't see what the hate is all about but I know it's poured on by the Mac lovers out there. I used windows for over 15 years and I have to say this is the most stable version I've seen in a long time. It has not crashed on me once..it's locked up a couple times but has not crashed. I think Cnet is just trying to get some attention by that article.
Let's be realistic here. Most of you guys are looking at Vista through the lenses of home users, while 75-80% of OS licensing comes from corporate clients. The corps are simply not adopting Vista. I've had problems as simple as Vista joining AD domains.
Plenty of people I know in IT have seen this.
That is a killer.
Plenty of people I know in IT have seen this.
That is a killer.
that's some harsh words from CNet
I'm still running XP
I'm running XP on 2 machines. I have a copy of Vista and refuse to load it. The fact they added that DRM crap to the system was enough of a turnoff for me.
With CNet nailing their asses to the 10 worst list is only fitting.
Windows XP to get a significant performance boost with SP3?
We're always a little wary of unconfirmed speed reports derived from beta software -- especially when no build number is given -- but a Florida shop called Devil Mountain Systems is claiming that Windows XP SP3 will offer a 10 percent speed increase over SP2, going so far as to call it a "must-have update." On the flip side of the coin, it looks like Vista SP1 won't offer much in the way of noticeable fixes, and certainly won't speed things up. Of course, it's not at all unexpected that the finely-tuned XP would run faster than the relatively new Vista, but analysts are having a field day, with Forrester's Benjamin Gray saying "Vista's biggest competition isn't Apple or Novell or Red Hat; it's Microsoft itself, it's XP." That seems a little hysterical to us, actually -- Microsoft deserves major props for continuing to improve XP even as it tries to speed up the transition to Vista, even if that means cannibalizing some sales. That said, let's try to get a little speed out of SP2, mkay?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/windows-xp-to-get-a-significant-performance-boost-with-sp3/
We're always a little wary of unconfirmed speed reports derived from beta software -- especially when no build number is given -- but a Florida shop called Devil Mountain Systems is claiming that Windows XP SP3 will offer a 10 percent speed increase over SP2, going so far as to call it a "must-have update." On the flip side of the coin, it looks like Vista SP1 won't offer much in the way of noticeable fixes, and certainly won't speed things up. Of course, it's not at all unexpected that the finely-tuned XP would run faster than the relatively new Vista, but analysts are having a field day, with Forrester's Benjamin Gray saying "Vista's biggest competition isn't Apple or Novell or Red Hat; it's Microsoft itself, it's XP." That seems a little hysterical to us, actually -- Microsoft deserves major props for continuing to improve XP even as it tries to speed up the transition to Vista, even if that means cannibalizing some sales. That said, let's try to get a little speed out of SP2, mkay?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/27/windows-xp-to-get-a-significant-performance-boost-with-sp3/
My last 9 to 5 (county and statewide school system) still uses an AS400 for accounting and personnel records to this day. It's the same AS400 running when I first started with them in '96. My mom still works there.
I saved the school system, and by the default the state, millions in licensing an expensive proprietary VT100 app to connect at the AS400. They didn't know they could use MS's Hyperterminal program.
Everyone says you put that thing in a Server closet and you LITERALLY forget about it - maximum once per year reboot.
peace
And therein lies the rub ... competition is a boon to the consumer -- tell me ANY industry that did not benefit from competition.
That will help us all : (Microsoft vs Apple) vs (Linux open Source community)
A bunch of high-priced programmers vs everyone in the world
It will spawn MUCH innovation, IMHO
How many of you thought Apple was dead years ago??? Side note: I remember seeing Gregory Hines at a Mac show yyyyears ago; I heard he was actually a geek.
Peace
Let's be realistic here. Most of you guys are looking at Vista through the lenses of home users, while 75-80% of OS licensing comes from corporate clients. The corps are simply not adopting Vista. I've had problems as simple as Vista joining AD domains.
Plenty of people I know in IT have seen this.
That is a killer.
Props on the DOS correction above.
But I remember when XP hit and my firm wasn't about to adopt it as it was. We in the IT department had it since it was beta and used it but firm wide, they were not quick to adopt XP until they got MS to "FIX" a few issues with it. Not to mention for the team to get their arms around it well enough for support. One office is using Vista and so far, just minor issues.
-VG
It looks to me that the users of vista.. that are complaining.. have not really taken the time out to figure out how to use it... there are a few basic complaints about vista.. that are eaily fixed..
1. the prompts..
Shit shouldn't of been turned on from jump. The prompts should have been an option when first setting up the computer.
2. software compatiblity...
why blame the software makers. People are giving microsoft a big ass pass on this one. Yes they knew it was coming out for 6 years. But it was to drop 3-4 different times in the span of those 6 years. Microsoft knew they had shit on their hands, and kept pushing back the release date in hopes of fixing all the problems they could. So how are software programmers suppose to work on updates when microsoft keeps changing their os.
3. hardware... everyone known that vista was coming out.. and the hardware mfg and write drivers for the shit.. but everyone wants to blame.. microsoft...
Once again microsoft is the one to blame. They knew that they were building Vista on base that was over 15 years old. sure it worked for windows 95, 98 ect. but now that computers are getting more powerful, they should of known that they would have to rework the whole OS from the ground up, instead of just reworking their old OS's.
4. crashes... i have yet to have a full chrash from vista.. the good thing about vista is that when a explorer crashes.. it closes out and fixes itself... now if you have issues with full crashing.. then the issue is prob with the daym non- compatible software you installed on the pc...
Just because YOU havent seen it personally does not mean it does not happen. Like i said before. If you keep building more and more new shit onto an old base, the old base is gonna crumble sooner or later.
5. why whould users install vista on a old ass pc.. and expect that shit to work... thats what plenty of people did... and thats why they hate it...
A lot of the problems people having are not from people installing vista on old pcs. but Vista coming installed on pc's they are buying new. In my case I jus spent 2 g's on my new laptop and the only operating system i could chose was vista. If microsoft knows they have such a good operating system on thier hands they wouldnt have to tell computer companies to allow users to have a windows xp option when selecting an operating system. They could easily flex their muscle, and allow vista only.
people are killing me with this shit about vista.. most of the issues are with the fuckin users and not with the os... I really think this is a ploy for apple to gain market share.. and i cant respect that shit...
Microsoft knew they had a shitty operating system on their hands. C'mon if your gonna take 6 years to release something, and have it pushed back multiple times, their should not be as many problems as vista currently have. Microsoft was feeling the pressure and released vista. Guarantee their next OS, they will rework their whole OS from the ground up and will release something that does live up to the hype.
....now out of all the posts, this is the real bottom line for most folks.
People may not admit it, but they are tired of "planned obsolescence" -- the average consumer has no need for 95% of the shit in these new OS's when they are basically just surfin' the net, typing out documents, listening to music, printing, etc.
I am sick of all these greedy corporations caring about is how the next quarter is going to look.
I guess that's why I'm hoping the various flavors of Linux will become easier for the novice computer user to understand.
For the record, I have a laptop for general purposes running 2K pro, another running XP Tablet Edition and a desktop that I use to tinker with Ubuntu.
Co -sign...I'm glad I read your post before posting cause I ws about to go in.....in addition Vista has lost of 'tracking' features that users are not aware of....you ARE being watched just ask your self....what with the drm stuff?......I'll stick to xp running in vmware on a linux box....
Windows Vista SP1 (release candidate) publicly available
You've heard about it, you know what it's got, you want it like crazy -- and about 11 months after launch Microsoft delivers on Vista's first service pack (in release candidate form, anyway). Go crazy!
P.S. -How big is this download really? The installer's under 400k, but we're still trying to find the big kahuna offline update package. Hit us up in comments.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/12/windows-vista-sp1-publicly-available/
P.S. -How big is this download really? The installer's under 400k, but we're still trying to find the big kahuna offline update package. Hit us up in comments.
http://www.engadget.com/2007/12/12/windows-vista-sp1-publicly-available/
Its not that bad, it just took big jumps in alot of directions all at once, and most things are security measures and shiit, I'm Microsoft certified since NT 4 ! yea look it up and overall its stable as fukk just a pain to get used to the new control panel, security windows and the other stuff but it doesnt deserve that title funyn as hell that it got it though IMO
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