Sad but true mantoo many toms and niggas scared of revolution to really make a change
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If Sharpton or Jackson got assassinated..would there be riots?
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I think the main question is:
IF GEECHIEDAN GOT ASSASSINATED WOULD THERE BE A BGOL TRIBUTE POST?
To answer the OP's question, probably not. The reality is neither Sharpton nor Jackson nor anyone else for that matter are on King's level. At most, you'll see mass gatherings and protests and walks and regional/local black leaders organizing protests if an assassination ever took place. Obviously, the media would have a field day.
Also, the assassination of Farrakhan wouldn't spark riots either. Farrakhan polarizes people, they either love him or hate him. King did more to unify people.
I ask this counter question. If King were alive today and got shot tomorrow, would there be rioting?
Also, the assassination of Farrakhan wouldn't spark riots either. Farrakhan polarizes people, they either love him or hate him. King did more to unify people.
I ask this counter question. If King were alive today and got shot tomorrow, would there be rioting?
It's fine to feel a certain way but if you're saying in one breath, "Power to the People," and in the next "We're doomed," no one is going to take you seriously.
TRUFICTION said:
And you don't feel that it's degrading our people to create doomsday scenarios in which black folks in general are lazy, apathetic and unwilling to help themselves?
TRUFICTION said:
Here again, you're making these blanket negative statements about black people in general. Why? Because they were too "lazy" to go to Washington DC for a march? You don't suppose that many black folks are in no financial position to have attended that march? Or maybe we're just physically, mentally and emotionally exhausted? No. You've got to draw the conclusion that we're lazy.
TRUFICTION said:
No. I don't. I don't think black people in this country are on the lower rung of the socioeconomic ladder because we're apathetic or don't attend enough marches. I think we're there because we've been denied equal economic opportunity for hundreds of years. As with any oppressive system, some escape while most don't.
TRUFICTION said:
I've regurgitated better techniques that others who are far brighter than I have developed. Brother Malcolm suggested a black voting bloc. Why doesn't Al or Jesse or any other black leader use his pull to make that happen? I happen to think it's because they've benefited personally from the current system and their place in it. How about an organized way by which we withhold our collective dollars from organizations that support oppressive measures against us? How about we use our power to put pressure on congressmen who represent jurisdictions in which black folks have high populations? How about Jesse or Al use their pull to establish free tutoring centers around the country? All of these things would be infinitely more effective than a march.
Finally, I'm not sure where you get it that I don't do "anything at all" because I'm critical of marches that are marginally effective. I've been a tutor and a volunteer for most of my life. Without pulling out my volunteer resume, I've done literacy tutoring, chemical dependency counseling, SAT prep tutoring, vocabulary development, etc. I've given back in the past and continue to do so in the present.
Whether we think Sharpton and Jackson are "real" leaders are not the point...the bottomline is that if some cracka assasinates either one of them...we should be ready to act a damn fool. I dont necessarily care for Sharpton or Jackson but one thing I will say is they are a voice and they use their popularity to bring shit to the the front even if their is a hidden agenda and self glorification going on by both of them. Example...even if I think that black woman is a fuckin no good whore...ok fine...but that white man betta treat her as a fuckin queen because if Im around and he disrespects her...Im going to check his white ass. Same thing here....they may be fucked up so called leaders but they are our leaders period and aint no no white muthafucka going to end they lives without it being a problem with Black America.
Bottomline is the white man is loving how we acting right now in this thread. He loves to see us argue and turn against each other with more black on black hate. He loves the fact the we openly bash our leadership however fucked up it may be. I would never bash Sharpton or Jackson in a conversation with somebody white...I wouldnt give them the satisfaction. United we must stand...Divided we wont have a chance!
My 2 cents!
Bottomline is the white man is loving how we acting right now in this thread. He loves to see us argue and turn against each other with more black on black hate. He loves the fact the we openly bash our leadership however fucked up it may be. I would never bash Sharpton or Jackson in a conversation with somebody white...I wouldnt give them the satisfaction. United we must stand...Divided we wont have a chance!
My 2 cents!
No. But I think if Barack Obama got assassinated there might be some problems
Nigga please!
Peace,
I disagree. First and foremost, you can't determine who's "taking a stand" based on who is supportive of the efforts of Al Sharpton. Second, it's easier for most people to distract themselves with bullshit than it is for them to engage. This unfortunate truism isn't endemic to black people.
I realize that you and I already established that we see this differently in another thread but I still don't see how you can come to the conclusion that black folks in general are dying slowly because we didn't show up to the march in the millions. I'm of the opinion that most black people do what they can when they can.
PPl AL AND JESSE JACKSON HAS THEIR OWN PROPAGANDA, I ASK WHY NOT?
WHEN JENA 6 WAS HAPPENING, WERE YOU THERE?
WHEN BLACK WOMEN GOT CALLED NAPPY HAIRED AND HOES DID U SPEAK OUT?
AL SHARPTON, JESSE JACKSON, AND FARRAKHAN WILL ALWAYS SPEAK OUT NO MATTER WHAT. SO PLS GIVE EM THAT RESPECT, AT LEAST SOMEONE IS SPEAKING OUT
WHEN JENA 6 WAS HAPPENING, WERE YOU THERE?
WHEN BLACK WOMEN GOT CALLED NAPPY HAIRED AND HOES DID U SPEAK OUT?
AL SHARPTON, JESSE JACKSON, AND FARRAKHAN WILL ALWAYS SPEAK OUT NO MATTER WHAT. SO PLS GIVE EM THAT RESPECT, AT LEAST SOMEONE IS SPEAKING OUT
Nigga Please. Let me ask you what is your fuckin contribution to the black plight besides acting like a fuckin dumb ass on these boards. It dumb ass nigga like you running that big mouth but it aint nothing but more useless shit being spat by another dumb nigga.
Instead of being so concerned about the reprensentation of Sharpton or Jackson...we should be asking ourselves who besides them are leading. Again...as black folks...we can sit up here and have a lot of dialogue but no one is coming up with resolution. What other leaders do you think of besides those two? You'll be hard pressed to think of any...and if you do...the ones you think of probably dont have the pull on a national level to make a change. If black people got a problem with leadership then people should be trying to lead and show Al and Jesse how it should be done.
What we need to do is be accountable for ourselves as individuals and stop looking for other negroes to lead us. Start by getting yourself together....educate yourselves...father your children....lead your families. Like I said..I dont give a fuck about you agreeing with me or not...but if you going to disagree....make sense and make a valid point instead of taking one line of what I spoke....making a smart ass comment and running out the room like a little bitch. So Im going to ask again Black Man since you got all the fuckin answers. What are you doing for our people?
This is the problem. These efforts are not about Al Sharpton, its about un-equal Justice, period. There were many people who called for this march, Judge Mathis, Steve Harvey, Tom Joyner, and Michael Baisden (they all have millions of listeners)...not to mention the NAACP, SCLC and many churches, yet only thousands showed up. So, are you trying to say that if it was someone else calling for this protest, the number of participants would be higher? How logical is that?
Yea we disagree. I'm of the position that most Black folks don't see other Black people as their brothers/sisters, for if they did, they would be more inclined to stand up when their brother/sister is being mistreated. This board is a microcosm of that reality, when most Black people here are quick to trample on other Black folks and look for anything they can to discredit them. Whether the Willie Lynch letter is factual or not, no one can deny the truths realized in that letter.
Yea we disagree. I'm of the position that most Black folks don't see other Black people as their brothers/sisters, for if they did, they would be more inclined to stand up when their brother/sister is being mistreated. This board is a microcosm of that reality, when most Black people here are quick to trample on other Black folks and look for anything they can to discredit them. Whether the Willie Lynch letter is factual or not, no one can deny the truths realized in that letter.
Peace,
You can say what you want but everyone knew the driving force behind this march - and it wasn't Steve Harvey. Like it or not, many black people view Al Sharpton as an opportunist. As I've argued before, leaders matter. If a leader has been discredited (regarding this, Sharpton has done a pretty decent job of discrediting himself without the media) people quickly become jaded.
To answer your question "if it was someone else calling for this protest, the number of participants would be higher?" I don't know. What I do know is that many people believe, as I do, that marches are ineffective. If they believe this why would they show up?
Honestly, I don't see how your hopelessly negative attitude regarding the black masses is much different than some uneducated cat on here casually throwing around the term, "Nigga." Neither is getting us anywhere.
You sir, are simply mislead. Al Sharton does not have a a direct voice with America. The word about this march was spread by Black Radio- Michael Baisden spearheaded this issue. Steve Harvey, Tom Joyner and Sharpton chimed in later. And again, what does it matter. Its simply an excuse some of you knee-growns used to say you are not supporting. Fact is, regardless of who called for the march, you niggas was going to sit at home and wait for the CNN blurb. Those who were going to support (and did support) were going to do so (and did), because they understand the need for equal justice. period.
Yea yea yea.. blah blah blah. Marches are ineffective. What are you doing that IS effective?
I don't casually throwing around the term nigga, but I do USE the term when its appropriate.
Yea yea yea.. blah blah blah. Marches are ineffective. What are you doing that IS effective?
I don't casually throwing around the term nigga, but I do USE the term when its appropriate.
Peace,
You're beginning to come apart at the seams now. Just because I don't blindly support ineffective marches doesn't mean I don't do anything. I've already described what I've been doing for most of my life in a certain amount of detail. The fact of the matter is you seem content to lash out at cats who disagree with you and you define this as a revolutionary act. What you're showing is that you're basically an angry cat who sees himself as better than the black masses. How is this making a difference?
You have no seams. Ive asked you what are you doing that IS effective, when it comes to un-equal justice, as this is what the march was about. I ask you again, what would be effective...are you doing it?
YOU must feel I'm better, because that never came out my mouth.
YOU must feel I'm better, because that never came out my mouth.
Peace,
This is getting old. If you can't make a connection between working with black youth and activism then I don't know what to tell you. Instead of grilling people about what they're doing, perhaps you should describe what it is that YOU do - with the exception of attending marches - that has an impact.
With regard to your last sentence, don't you suppose that one would have to assume a position of presumptive superiority if one blanketly describes the black masses as lazy and apathetic? That's EXACTLY what you did.
Please help me make the connection. You can work with Black youth all day and night, educate them, and teach them... but that does not affect UN-EQUAL JUSTICE! Educated Black people are treated unequally at the same rate as uneducated.
Please answer my question as it relates to THIS march and UN-EQUAL justice, and name some more effective ways to fight against it?
I have made my voice heard by writing the newly elected Attorney General, both Senators from Maryland, and my congressional representative. I have ensured them that if they don't pressure the Justice Dept to step in, they will lose my vote.
When I see a brother/sister getting pulled over by the cops. I PULL OVER TOO! I observe the situation to ensure nothing goes down that shouldn't go down. I encourage my peers to do the same
I mentor young adults on the IMPORTANCE of honoring their Jury Duty..it is the best way to take part in the legal system and ensure fair justice is administered.
I take part in community protests against Un-EQUAL Justice.
I ask again, if marching is an ineffective means to protest un-equal justice, please tell me what you are doing that is effective?
Please answer my question as it relates to THIS march and UN-EQUAL justice, and name some more effective ways to fight against it?
I have made my voice heard by writing the newly elected Attorney General, both Senators from Maryland, and my congressional representative. I have ensured them that if they don't pressure the Justice Dept to step in, they will lose my vote.
When I see a brother/sister getting pulled over by the cops. I PULL OVER TOO! I observe the situation to ensure nothing goes down that shouldn't go down. I encourage my peers to do the same
I mentor young adults on the IMPORTANCE of honoring their Jury Duty..it is the best way to take part in the legal system and ensure fair justice is administered.
I take part in community protests against Un-EQUAL Justice.
I ask again, if marching is an ineffective means to protest un-equal justice, please tell me what you are doing that is effective?
Peace,
I have to say that every single thing you listed is a more effective means of addressing unequal justice than marching on the justice department. Why do you continue to assign asinine labels like "Knee-growns" to folks who believe this?
Also, I think you're leaning towards myopia if you're really trying to argue that community involvement doesn't indirectly reduce the chances of young black men being caught up in an unequal justice system. At any rate, let me ask you this: If I've served as a tutor, teacher and mentor for black children for approximately fifteen years, and many of those kids have contacted me to thank me and let me know that they're doing well in college and grad school, how exactly am I a "nigga" suffering from Willie Lynch Syndrome?
Please go read the Willie Lynch letter, cause I dont think you have. Then go back and read some of your posts on this board (and the posts of many many others). If you are familiar with the letter, you'd know that the NUMBER ONE point made in the letter, was for the slavemaster to INDENTIFY the DIFFERENCES between Black people and make those DIFFERENCES BIGGER! That is, prevent them from coming together on things that make them alike by making them focus on their differences...using FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY.
Apply what you read to the comments made by you and ohers about Al Sharpton...
Please go read the Willie Lynch letter, cause I dont think you have. Then go back and read some of your posts on this board (and the posts of many many others). If you are familiar with the letter, you'd know that the NUMBER ONE point made in the letter, was for the slavemaster to INDENTIFY the DIFFERENCES between Black people and make those DIFFERENCES BIGGER! That is, prevent them from coming together on things that make them alike by making them focus on their differences...using FEAR, DISTRUST, and ENVY.
Apply what you read to the comments made by you and ohers about Al Sharpton...
Peace,
I've read the letter. I just don't base my assessments of people's characters on bullshit. In any event, the author of the historically fictitious Willie Lynch letter applied those sentiments to black people who needlessly create divisions amongst themselves along color, gender and other lines. For you to equate this with reasonable criticism of Al Sharpton and his methods is a ridiculous stretch.
Also, tell me where, exactly, do fear, distrust and envy factor into any of my criticisms. This is absurd.
No, what's ridiculous is for people like you, who claim to not support a cause because you don't like a person that also supports that cause. That ridiculous.
divine said:
I'll simply quote you from my other thread... and I'll leave it at that...
Ill Paragraph said:
Peace,
Come on, brother. I've NEVER intimated that I don't support resistance to unequal justice.
Where do you get that I don't support resistance to unequal justice just because I (like many others) am desensitized to Al Sharpton heading up another march?
Bruh but who DECIDED Jackson was our leadership? Why? Cause he wiped MLK's blood on himself and walked around all day in public to try and anoint himself as the Next In Line? Because he had enough clout with powerful whites to be allowed to run for president?
What if THEY decided he is our leadership? Where does that put your position?
I still haven't seen anyone explain, defend or even address Al's connection to Roger Stone. Fuck the rhetoric. If we really wanna argue about our loyalty to Jesse or Al, or lack thereof, let's have a mature political discussion without name-calling and shit.
We have a confirmed shady Republican swinger Nixon henchman in Al's camp. I have much respect for some of Al's efforts, but damn, I can't ignore that cause I wanna prove how black and revolutionary to faceless names on a porn message board.
Bruh let it go. He ain't heard you cause he simply does not want to. No getting through to that.
Not today.
Remember back in the day there was no world wide web or cable tv. We WORSHIPPED people back then because that's all you knew about. Everything King did was front page news and for the right reasons.
Right now...more niggas would riot if the girl from I Love New York was killed than Sharpton.
Things have changed. And not for the better with this technology and information age.
Real shit right there. Todays world peopel are so keen to find faults with everyone. that no matter what good they accomplish it gets sterilized.
I wouldn't be sad to see them go bye bye.
shit nigga...for the Orgasm Collection series alone you niggas should burn a candle
shit nigga...for the Orgasm Collection series alone you niggas should burn a candle
Do you know how much it would take to get millions of any people in Amerikkka to march for anything?? I love how y'all think millions of people can just walk off of their jobs and ride a magical bus to Washington D.C. Even the March on Washington only got 200,000 Black folks and 50,000 white folks. And that was for the right to be a human being.
LOL an idiot, you the only one in the thread calling names, says alot about ya partner.
OH, shit, by the way did NAT or HARRIET march?
We are talking about "leaders" THEY want us to have.
MArtin was in my books, the deacons and malcom X were not, they do not want radical negros, jsut marchers.
Exactly, everybody knows that Al and Jesse are there to herd us just like cattle, and keep us from really putting a foot in whitey's ass. If Nat Turner was alive today, he'd have 10,000,000 Black folks headed towards Washington with AK's, pitchforks and torches.
I'd post a tribute. . . . . .
To the assassin
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Neither one of them is A threat so I doubt they will ever be assassinated however if by some chance something like that did happen to one of them people probably would riot.
Peace,
This is the point I was making earlier. For some, it's not that black folks had obligations or bills to pay. It's that black people are suffering a slow demise because they don't jump when the Sharptons and Jacksons tell them to. This line of thinking is pathetic.
The irony being that I consider Jackson (and Sharpton to a much lesser extent) to be leaders the white community picked FOR us. Why are they our leaders, because they lead in media savviness? We see the mainstream media refer to them as "leaders of the black community" thousands of times a year and they just magically become our leaders?
Real talk, anyone compromised enough to be on stage with a whole bunch of Democratic candidates for president...is he really OUR (grassroots black community) leader? I respect Al's work as I've said several times, but again...he has some real ill skeletons that bear scrutiny.
And besides black people don't need leaders, they need to learn how to lead themselves.
The only people that would riot are the same people that probably breed and have more kids to get some extra welfare money.
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